An editorial on how through the advancements in gaming, companies have been able to provide excuses hindering the gaming experience.
The companies get away simply because the majority of people tolerate them. There is something on that console that keeps them coming back. Likely the game library they built up, friends they made, exclusives, etc. You can't also expect to throw away a console just because you were victimized. It happens. I only see the RROD as unacceptable. The PS3, and the Wii this gen have standard failure rates. At least MS has that extended 3 year warranty though by the looks of it this is because they had to. I haven't noticed the issue as prominent with the latest models which is good to hear. Again, people keep coming back because they want to. And that's their choice. It's evident MS has suffered greatly this gen because of RRoD, so it's not like they are getting away with anything without some obvious backlash. I trust that they will be smarter next gen like they were last gen.
"You can't also expect to throw away a console just because you were victimized. It happens." Huh? That is exactly how it works. You buy shit, you don't run out and re-buy shit. Many do/will, as you said, it's their choice. So is choosing to throw away broken shit. EDIT: I disagree. Only b/c I did just that. Friends are useless when the machine tying you together doesn't work. And you're paying for that too.
I meant if it happens once-- and even if it happens multiple times people put up with it because it's too hard to throw it away once you make a lot of friends and get attached to certain exclusives. I remember reading about the RRoD on the news and that's exactly what victims would say about it. Machines break, RRoD and YLOD will probably never go away this gen. The question is how much you can tolerate it happening @Action That's fine if you disagree with it, but clearly many others disagree with you since they keep buying the product. And friend's play a huge part in why most people even pay for XBL. I wouldn't dare buy Multiplat Multiplayer games or transfer all my PS3 games to my 360 unless all my friends came with me.
I agree with AlphaMale. Everyone I know who has a 360 has had it break on them AT LEAST twice. When I tell them that maybe they should invest in a PS3..they say they'd just rather buy another 360. I personally don't understand it, but thats what people do. "But what is worse is that many of them, just buy another one. I don't know how anyone can support a system that had a failure rate that high." I don't understand that logic either. Somehow they believe that the 360 getting RROD at some point is something thats SUPPOSED to happen. Or maybe, they've grown so attached to it that they need a new one like Alpha said. I know if my PS3 broke, I'd get a new one or get it fixed. So you can't really blame 360 owners for doing the same thing with the 360. Some of these people already have huge game libraries, so they're not willing to buy another console.
The fact that the majority of people who has it happen to them, don't have to pay anything for a new one and just have to go through the inconvenience of calling MS and losing their console for 1-2 weeks makes it easier for the consumer to over look. Especially as Alpha pointed out, it's difficult for most people to give up on the investment they already made. Friends lists, achievements/ trophies, arcade titles, game purchases.
I'm not saying the 360 doesn't sell, it obviously does. It also has multiple motherboard revisions and redesign that have helped stability. New customers aren't being put through the same hell someone like me (a launch buyer) was put through.
Ah Alpha, here you are again. Probably the most intelligent 360-defender on this site.
I think its more that he isn't foaming at the mouth anytime someone mentions MS nor is he willing to completely disregard problems associated with Sony and their games. tl;dr He can think.
but most of them are so dumb, that is not really a compliment :)
The biggest difference is that the Sega Genesis and SNES were more reliable because they were solid state consoles with game cartridges. They had absolutely no moving parts. Today's consoles are much more like mini-PC's and have lots of the same components making them more complicated. HDD's and disc drives have moving parts and are much more susceptible to break downs. Also, since they're like mini-PC's, the CPU's, GPU's and memory all create heat; much more heat than those older consoles. If the heat isn't properly vented, then you get the RROD problem that the 360 endured. Those older generation consoles produced such little heat that they didn't even need fans.
To add to that, most of the most common issues exhibited by the HD consoles are caused by the cracking of lead-free solder, which yields a much significant drop in heat resistance compared to its lead-based counterpart. This is mostly due to part of the regulations placed in 2006; they include the WEEE and RoHS Directives. If I recall correctly, companies in the U.S. may even qualify for tax benefits by cutting or reducing the amount of lead used in their electronics, even though the compliant materials tend to be more expensive.
Only excuse that matters to me. . .3 year warranty covering Rrod and E74 vs you broke it, you pay it after 1 year
so im guessing this is your way of approving the 40% failure rate of the 360 in its early stage good for you! you are the epitome of what this article is talking about...way to prove it right, ohh and i love the stealth troll FUKEN AMAZING!!
I'll repeat, 3, THREE YEARS FREE WARRANTY...1 year warranty or pay it yourself
Calm down buddy
Back in the day. A warranty meant something of a goodwill since you may be the unfortunate one to receive a defective item. Nowadays, a warranty is now mandatory and is to be expected by consumer that the item may would break. Confidence in electronics nowadays have become disgustingly low. Even Apple is charging exorbitant prices just for a warranty. -End of Line
I'm surprised about the failure rates of these systems. People don't seem to be bothered by it at all. I hear things like "My XYZ died last week, so I bought a new one." as if it's the most normal thing in the world. I'm typing this post on a PC that's almost 5 years old. It runs an average of 16 hours per day (and often times nonstop for days on end when rendering something). *Not a single* component has failed in all this time, not one.
how many weeks waiting for UPS ? like i said, with a ps3, you can subscribe to extension garanty, they are cheap, and the ps3 value is so high when you compare it to the competition, that even with few dollars more, it's the good choice to make. if you don't want to use that solution, just buy a new ps3 each year with a new game, that cost you nothing..even less than the xbl ugly fee.
Amazing the article is about BOTH YLOD AND RROD yet the talk ot the day is RROD... I even see some talk of YLOD is a conspiracy theory...
Troll. Stop trolling.
For some reason I thought of Ketchup and Mustard
I swear, I was talking to a retard some time ago that claimed those consoles have the right to overheat and break because they are advanced pieces of technology. Seriously ?? Well, make a revolutionary cooling system, fit for those revolutionary pieces of hardware. I swear, I felt like killing the guy for a few seconds, but it passed. I always defended it was a big lack of respect to the consumers having such issues on products. Luckily for me and Sony the failure rate on the PS3 is much smaller or I wouldn't have bought any consoles this gen.
I got the YLOD, I put my PS3 in the freezer for 2 hours, took it out, ejected MGS4, backed up my saves, sold it, bought Slim....I thought it was a fun experience lol. I was gonna buy a Slim anyway. Glad my PS3 lasted 4 years instead of my xbox's 18 months ;D
My friend has a old school 360 works fine for him. Disagrees? really it does XD i think his is a special case.
then he is really really really lucky.
how many Ps3's out of their entire lot actually got the ylod compared to xbox's getting the rrod? its not even fair to call it a big problem on the ps3 because in the large sense, it happened to so few people. i have had 4 xboxs. my first 2 red ringed...then, i got banned and now i have a slim model. :D
there is only one group that has accepted more nonsense than any other generation.but since that group is backed by a multi billion dollar company,we have to continue to hear and be effected by their nonsense. wii and ps3 crap out within industry standards.however,the 360 has been the worst made console ever.and i've seen them all since the beginning.and having to be patched and upgraded and still not equal its high def competitor but still hear from the foolhardy is amazing. this group has not only excepted failing consoles and the re-buying of failing consoles,they have also excepted: HIGH PRICED ACCESSORIES.how could they accept not only proprietary,but expensive proprietary over fair market prices?HDDs,wifi that is built into every other device for free but sells for $100 for their console.it took 5 years to be built in.how many people got robbed on that? ACCEPTING DLC AS STANDARD.because of these fools,games no longer have the unlockable content we used to get.you want extra constumes,cars,weapons,etc,you got to buy it.but this group started us on that path of getting less.3RD parties have favored the poorly made console because they know that they can get away with it on that fanbase.and the ps3 fanbase can't get a full bluray disc from 3rd parties because of the lowest common denominator. PAYING TO PLAY.not only accepting $50 dollars.but now accepting $60 dollars.not just dumb.but REAL DUMB.but somehow bash FREE over and over when FREE play plays exactly the same or better with dedicated servers. ACCEPTING LOW QUALITY GAMES AND THE CLOSING OF GOOD DEVELOPERS.how on earth a fanbase can accept a multi billion dollar company that could buy up many developers but accepts barely any first parties is AMAZING.AND accept getting them at the end of the year MOST of the time. ACCEPTING an inaccurate camera.accepting the word of a software developer like microsoft,that the console can do something like 256 players online,but hasn't did even 20vs20.when ps3 did it 4 years ago at launch. a fanabase like that has no business in buying consumer products.the stupidity is amazing.liking games and different consoles is fine.but the negative effect because of buying that poorly made console has effected us all.good thing i buy mostly 1st party from sony so that it doesn't effect me too much since most 3rd parties are disappointing this gen.
Well said +1
nothing lasts forever... look at the tv's of today they simply dont last as long as older generation tvs found in the 80's>90's the problem is xbox fanboys accepting a device breaking after a few months just becuase they get the 3 year warranty...
yeah. its sad that it happens. but what bothers me a lot is why nobody gives a shit when rumors that ms sent the product even though they knew the 40% failure rate. its a crime! it can be bought to court! user should be able to sue this kind of failure. imagine if this happens to your car, lives at stake. maybe im just shooting too far, but its a fact that we shouldnt start to accept failure product and just nod and let the problem went away. it will become a trend in business and consumer will be the first victim. there should be an investigation over ms failure rate and whether they know or not about this rate during development process. this is more serious than you guys may think. iPhone 4 antenna-gate is another example. i mean how stupid is apple to have that flaw design out in the market. its a dirty business for the sake of becoming the first, and should not become a trend.
That is where the three year warranty came from, bro. A class action lawsuit was filed and this was the end result.
The big difference between Sony and MS is that Sony's excuses are less frequent.
I remember when my friend got rrod for the first time, i was like "bro, that sucks" so he sent it into MS and got it back 2 weeks later which happened to be his birthday, so we were all happy. A few minutes after he started using it, it broke again, he and i couldnt believe it, that's just ridiculous.
That is why I stick to Sony and Nintendo for gaming. MS and their low quality products, and the idiots who support them. Some may argue that the PS3 had failure issues, but man people were talking about their 3rd or 4th 360, what a joke. That's all I have to say about that.
You sound like one of those idiots who would buy a £300 HDMI cable because I says superior quality on the packet. Everything and I mean EVERYTHING what is mass produced is made up of the cheapest parts possible to keep the cost for you and them down. Also you mustn't of had a PS1 then, having to turn that guy upside down to read disks? c'mon man.
Yet somehow Microsoft managed to make the cheapest of everyone else and was the only company that fell as far outside of the industry failure rates. But go ahead and bring up the PS1 if it makes you feel better.
I feel amazing after mentioning that, thanks for asking!
jasper models arent prone to rrod
ITT people proving the article.
sad right? no self-awareness whatsoever.
This'll probably make me look more dickish, but I agree and went on about it in my last blog. Well, I moreso went on about my own case with YLOD and why people should understand their rights before handing out the dough when you're supposed to be covered. http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
I haven't gotten RRoD on my launch 360.(knock on wood) the last console I had the most problems with was my ps2. After having to shell out $300. For it to be repaired twice was the last straw for me with sony's products for me. I can understand some people that had their 360 break down on them. I went thru the something last
My 1st 360 died after about 4 years of moderate usage, kind of glad it went in the end since I got sick of having to install games to drive so it wouldn't made so much noise and put little scratches on the disks, the slim is 100x better.
I have been gaming since the Atari days ( a lot longer than most of these so called gamers), and I 've owned mostly every console out there. I also owned the PS1 and I never had to turn it upside down or any of my consoles went bad on me and I mean none of my consoles. When you hear the stories on these people on their 4th 360; well that speaks for itself man; and yet (i repeat) these idiots still support a faulty console.
I bought the MGS4 PS3 bundle because I knew they were discontinuing the BC models and it still works as well as it did on the first day I turned it on. Hopefully it will continue to be reliable, otherwise I'll have to buy another PS2 too.
Thanks to all who read this article. This was mainly written as a release from having sent two Xbox 360's for repair, but I see it's developed into something a bit more than that. And I am not alone in my frustration. I truly believe the power lies within the consumers. It's our choices which fuel companies and their ability to become shortsighted. Though not very practical, the only way for them to compensate to their audience is for their audience to disregard them, or in turn, establish communities focused on their inability to acknowledge their audience. And that is what has happened here. So kudos to all of us.
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