Researchers of MIT CSAIL have created interface inspired by Minority Report movie to be used with Kinect. It is functioning pretty well as can be seen in the video.
Cool stuff, now if only all these cool little tech demos/hacks will start showing up in some games I care about....then we're talking. Hope Kinect dev's are taking notes.
Looks cool..but it doesn't really look like Minority Report,rather a dumbed down version. Not Kinects fault though,as you can see it can detect fingers and when he zooms in the image he selected it's pretty precise. @Jokes and Apocalypse Guys RELAX its only been out for barely a Month. and besides the Core games ARE coming.. Codename D (Grass-Hopper) Project Draco (Grounding Inc.) Steel Battalion(From Software) Rise Of Nightmares (Sega) THQ Core Game And a lot of Famous publishers like Activision Blizzard, Bethesda Softworks, Capcom, Disney Interactive, Electronic Arts, Konami, MTV Games, Namco Bandai, SEGA, Square Enix, THQ Inc. So who knows? for all we know there could be an Elder Scrolls or Kingdom Hearts coming for kinect I'm Particularly interested in what Suda51 can do with Kinect.(Codename D) And i wonder how From Software is gonna pull off Steel Battalion from 45 buttons/pedals to none 0.o
MS demod this tech a few years back called surface. Is that the same software driving these demos just without a...."surface" to touch?
They're not going to be adopted by core gamer if they use kinect input... pad user are the ones that want more core game... not kinect users...
This is not new... eyetoy can do that :)
[email protected]?........i actually AGREE with jokes for once.and i don't even like 360. all these tech demos are cool.no one questions that.but... WHERE ARE THE GAME APPLICATIONS? after about a thousand or so NON microsoft demos,you wonder who's going to make some demonstrations of games made on pc hacked to play using kinect that could be used on 360. where are those billions going besides to bieber,ellen and oprah?
"where are those billions going besides to bieber,ellen and oprah?" uh...It was only Millions. Not billions. Just saying.
Why do you care where the games are? You don't like the 360. I don't care for the ps3. You see me complaining for move games? NOPE!
yeah lets see a hacked kinect control a core pc game and i wont be so skeptical if kinect would work with anything other than minigame/dance games
Looks alright. Looks kinda like what that game Trials of Topouq (think thats how its spelled) was doing a few years back with the hand controls.
Yet they could have done this all along with a regular webcam... oh wait, they DID do this with a regular webcam already. :/
The level of detection shown in this video is impossible without depth data. Do you think the MIT guys waste their time reinventing the wheel?
Yep, there is already a game out there that uses this and I mentioned it earlier. I can tell you from owning the game that it worked quite well for a game that at least four years old.
You mean Trials of Topoq? It's all silhouette based because it only has RGB data to work with. There are countless ways to make it fall apart. And it does not track fingers.
@ct03, well alright then, either way they are both pretty cool.
This will change the way we interact with technology as it develops. I support this kind of tech, might be limited but when versions 2, 3 etc come out or modders do amazing things we'll have perhaps our new KB/Mouse.
So far it seems limitation isn't an issue with Kinect. Look at all the things people are coming up with in the span of a month! Finger detection is something we didn't think the dumbed down resolution would be able to do without focusing all it's resolution on the hand. This demo on the other hand is clearly showing very precise and accurate recognition as is despite the low resolution! We need to get XNA support for Kinect and watch creative applications come in. Share it MS!
I would want a controller to move through my pictures about 3 minutes into this. If your used to this kind of interface, I am sure it would stream line for you. But my god, it looks like it would be frustrating to use!
like i said it's the Apps fault not Kinect's. if MS was to make a Dashboard to resemble Minority Report, I can assure you it wouldn't look or function anything like this.
As with any piece of new tech. It is the software that really drives it. These hacks are just whetting the appetite for future endeavors. Kinect isnt going to stop when the 360 stops. It will keep on evolving (software wise) into the next gen. That much is certain.
Remember the Mouse in DOS? A far cry from what it is today! Point being, give it a little time so the dust settles and people can get idea of what works and what doesn't. However, it is very promising so far with all these things coming on almost a daily basis. I'm very excited for Kinect right now.
i can say that we dont want to go backwards people we can do all this with our thumbs today.. why would u want to use your whole fuckin body? =S jesus
stuck in a rut? The ability to play games using the basic digits has been around far to long. Nothing wrong with a little change now and then. Keeps you on your toes (literally speaking).
well.. u are right but.. dont u think the next step should make thinks even more practical? making things more complicated can hardly be called an improvement it could be fun.. but just by looking at it u should already know that this wont be standard in the future..
not to be to cliche but...we really dont know what the future holds. I can see one certainty and that would be that both move and kinect become more rooted in the next platforms. Complications are only setbacks that developers dont put into forethought. Oddly, we have all been thinking of what it would be like to play games without the use of a controller. Or, at least i did when I was a little kid. Using your mind to think of what you want the game to do and it does it. We may be a ways off from there but we shouldnt stall the process simply due to habit. It's funny. As I drive on the freeway I use my hands to pretend to part the ways of cars. The force isnt 'real' but it is neat when they do what you want. Doing that in a game should be just as fun. It will get there.
MS should advertise the Kinect for advancements for these types of things. I don't see a game the Kinect could be used for that wouldn't be a minigame. Well maybe a Heavy Rain clone where you have to mimic the actions on the screen and if you get a character killed they stay dead etc... But looking at Alan Wake, I doubt it will do well.
Looks cool, but no way in hell would I do this at work. They would have to pay me extra to stand up doing that manual labor instead of sitting at my desk with a keyboard & mouse.
He is sitting down......
no he isnt, he's standing about a 18" from the kinect and wall (or tv or whever the image is being projected) you can even see the couch behind him.. sheesh.
Have you ever used kinect? It works when sitting while navigating the dashboard.
not sure why you got the disagree there. It is true that you don't have to stand to use Kinect's dashboard functions.
Let's get real. You are never going to see an office of people waving their arms around while they work with a computer, like a fictional sci fi movie minority report. Try doing that for 8-10 hours a day, like I spend in front of a computer. Yeaaah riiight. Thought so. Companies would be paying for disability claims. Ergonomics my friends, ergonomics. This demonstration is the opposite of that.
Agent Nahman Jayden, FBI.
the technology is worth the money!! but the software is not.. :( I would love to use kinect for PC if something is worth the money!!
Now that's something
Nice to see some people work towards this, but the flaws of the system are obvious. The lag with the finger movements is even detectable as well as the delay in performing the actions. Touch screen technology will be the end result in motion navigation and modification. It's a technology that's much more advanced, doesn't have the lag that camera-based technology has, and doesn't require you to hold your arms up for long uses of the technology. So, neat idea, won't succeed in the short or long run. Tactile surfaces are key to one's experience when working with complex gesture-related actions in software.
This is a neat concept. It should be given the same amount of funding and development time that touchpads had. At first, those were scorned as being a waste. It generally is the rule that anything new that appears to threaten the habitual ways of something proven gets the most criticism. People are in fact creatures of habit. Breaking that habit once in a while feels good.
This concept isn't new, it's just being done with the Kinect. Tons of companies have already looking into this sort of motion manipulation. The end result? Touch surfaces. I'm not being cynical, I'm being logical and realistic. I'm also very familiar with the technology. Give you example of an area where I've personally worked on this technology with regards to software development: alternative methods of disabled users to interact with and manipulate computer software. When I started my career as a developer, it was in support of technologies to support Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act. We worked on camera, touch, and various joypad/stick implementations for manipulating standard OS applications.
Section 508 is a piece of [email protected] and joke! With that said, I see no reason why we need tactile feedback anymore than it can be replaced with sound and visual stimulation. People just needs to sold on the idea, then all you have to do is train them to use it. Before the iPhone, there were almost nothing on the market that used touch screen. It just needed that little nudge with a killer product and it moves like a landslide. Think about all the things you use today, there is almost always numerous instances of it before that failed. Doesn't make the success any less meaningful.
***Section 508 is a piece of [email protected] and joke! *** You have no clue what you're talking about. ***With that said, I see no reason why we need tactile feedback anymore than it can be replaced with sound and visual stimulation.*** See above. ***Before the iPhone, there were almost nothing on the market that used touch screen.*** Touch screens have been in use publicly since the 90s. For precise action capturing, it's been used since the late 90s by digital artists, including architects.
I'm laughing at people who claimed Kinect Hack attempts would go nowhere without Microsoft's libraries. What I'm seeing here is that the fingers are being tracked, which is a very good thing for Kinect. Having said that, minority report style UI's are very tiresome, and these type of interfaces are not practical for long time use.
yes.. fingers are being tracked when very close to the kinect peripheral. I don't know about the fingers being tracked 6 feet away. You will also notice that hands and fingers are the only things being tracked, not the arms or head or anything, just a note.
I agree, the resolution won't be enough further away. Certainly, games may require to stay away from screen, but some games may require you to sit real close to kinect, those which want to track the fingers. There's so much information that can be pulled from fingers and hand position alone, no need to get the legs into question.
I realize I am probably in the 'minority' on this but.. Every time someone talks about futuristic UI they seem to point to Minority Report, I for one want nothing to do with this. Holding your arms out in front of you for extended periods of time waving things around is NOT going to be comfortable. I think a mixture of gestures and physical device input makes much more sense.
You are only in the minority when talking to people on game forums with no real work experience, lol. Try going into a work environment and convince people this would be more efficient than clicking a little button on a mouse that you only move a few centimeters to point at objects.
Yes and no. There certainly are applications for gesture interface, systems where we are manipulating many complex 3-D models like for medical imaging diagnostics which in the near future (5 years tops) will employ holographic modeling. So, though the need for this tech is not quite there yet, the fact that it is in the R&D stage is a good thing. What I find annoying is that Kinect seems to be seen as the birth of gesture communication, much like most of Apple's extremely heavily marketed, while at the same time not terribly original products are mistakenly seen as "revolutionary".
@Rybnik, I agree, but this has been happening 'forever' People call the product with the best marketing the innovation even when said technology/product had been tried/done before. The only thing that should be considered innovative in those situations is that they were more able to bring x tech to market. but thats a bit outside the topic ;)
In actual Minority Report scene, Tom Cruise's every single finger was equipped with little Playstation Move like devices. But Kinect's sensor can do it without any additional devices. This is good, but anyway Kinect's cams & infrared emitter should have had HD supported. (Cams' res are 640x480 and IE's res is 320x240) I think, a possible Kinect 2 for next Xbox will have much better detection capabilities.
MS needs one awesome game to really showcase Kinect. If only MS had someone like that Zelda/Mario innovator (Mayamoto I think his name is) to give us a game that using everything ... like voice controls, full body Kinect controls, hand movements like this video, and use of the Xbox controller too. The way Zelda games (phantom hourglass and twilight princess) took full advantage of the DS and Wii hardware to showcase those systems.
@rbanke well holding your arms out forever is a bitch. blame gravity for that. by the time a true "minority report" style UI is viable humans will be living in zero-g space. so that problem is solved. until that time .. controllers for all! OT: this is nothing like minority report. wheres the holographic multipanel displays with brain implant chips?? or mebe they meant "kinda sorta like minority report , minus the awesome stuff"? this is a 2:07 clip manipulating some photos with kinect. something that could have been done with a mouse and KB in under 20 seconds. you all attacked the HHG article for bullshit hit grabbing attention hoor headlines. whats this then?
this is only a month already this.. lool.. one can hate as much or disagree with me to hell.. but MS got something good going here.
But not nearly as polished as the PS Move's Minority report demo.
Dude, Move is pathetic and you know it. I bought it day one. Had Resi 5, Heavy Rain and Tumble on PSN but realised after talking to a mate on KZ3 what a pointless thing it is. I said "It'd be cool playing this with the move but I doubt I'll ever actually use it over the dualshock" I sold Move the next day because I realised I bought into a gimmick. I'm NOT a 360 fanboy. You have my old gamertag and my PSN ID as well as comment history on here. I own a PS3. I game on a PS3 BUT Kinect is brilliant. (just not for gaming.. like Move)
Did you see the Move demo he's talking about.Much better,faster and more impressive than this.You are a moron. Move is much better than Kinect.You may not be a fanboy but idiot is not much of a stretch. You have to move like a slow loris for Kinect to work by the look of it. I say Kinect belongs on the PC with these fun little demos that aren't actually that practical for anything. For gaming it's not as good as rivals.
Ofcourse I've seen it. The major flaw in that demo is the far your have to have the Move.. two of them. It may be faster and 'better' than this but keep in mind that that demo was produced by Sony and this demo is produced by a regular consumer with a skill for programming. How is Move better than Kinect? I'm not talking about gaming applications here, I'm talking about general applications. And please don't throw insults around, try and have a big boy conversation with me about this, yeah?
Kinect isn't about games.. I(ts shit for games. Why they decided the Xbox was a suitable platform for them to release it on I don't know.. just look at what PC owners are doing with it. ) It is however a serious piece of tech for applications and utilities. I used to hate on Kinect because of what MS showed but some of these hacks are absolutely amazing. Before you start, I don't own a 360. I'm more of a PS3 fanboy than anything
These "amazing"hacks,what are they actually useful for? There are better ways to do most practical things I've seen from Kinect and some of the tech demos,while fun,are just tech demos.
Real life applications? The piano could be used to place keyboards on any surface, anywhere. The flying one could be used for security.. Plus why do they have to be used for anything.. why can't they just be for fun? Tech demos they may be but they're very impressive tech demos. You may have seen better elsewhere but I don't keep tabs on the tech world so this is all fairly new and impressive to me, as I'm sure it is to many many other people. It's giving people the chance to do something with technology they've never had at an affordable price. While nothing may be actually released for it it's stretching people's imaginations and creative skills. The fact that Regular Joe from down the road can pick up a devie like this and put it to good use is great. How is Move better than kinect? How exactly does holding a wand in your hand for something like the keyboard demo make it better? It doesn't, does it? You don't seem to grasp what I've said, Kinect is crap for gaming but is great for these kind of applications which are removed from the gaming world. Move is cool and definitely more gaming orientated than Kinect but it's still a silly gimmick.
actually i think that is one of the coolest things i have seen in a while, but part of the way he is doing things does not look as smooth or as easy as minority report, yes it's a new way of doing things without a controller, but it looks awkward and takes longer than using a controller, i think alot of ppl would lose patience and revert back to using a controller. finally sony already did something similar using move, just to remind you all, which looked much smoother easier and faster http://www.youtube.com/watc... this was months ago before move was even released
I've used touch screen on the job for alot of years and the only problems that I seen was having to touch the screen for so long and it makes the finger tips sore.With Kinect you not experience sore fingers.If all this hacking was to added to the Kinect it would make the Kinect so expense and thats one of the reason why the Kinect seems is so washed down (low camera,no finger detection etc.).As the time go on and parts become more affordable, Kinect 2.0 or what ever will have more of what some people are looking for in the Kinect.Games are games either you like em or you don't not just using the Kinect but on any other system.
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