EA’s Riccitiello expressed his thoughts on Apple posing a threat towards Sony’s handheld market share. While he has heard theories about Apple making things difficult in the handheld domain, he doesn’t believe it will impact Sony much.
lol give the handheld market 10 years
Indeed, 10 years would be my bet on when a handheld will have PS3/Xbox 360 level hardware. The issues are enormous. The biggest being that it is currently impossible to fit enough transistors for the CPU and GPU into such a small area, the next biggest being heat, followed by getting enough ampage and wattage to the processors at all with a built in battery, let alone have the thing run for any length of time. Then theres the price of the thing. It is forseable that handhelds could match PS3 in say 5 years in terms of graphics for reasons such as your viewing angle is much more restricted, the games are by nature simpler etc. when playing on a portable system than on a TV.
2004 phone processor 333mhz 2010 phone processor 1.2 ghz psp 2004 333mhz ps2 1999 around 333mhz ps3 2006 2.8ghz spu
@nickjkl PS3 runs at 3,2GHz
Its about power and thermal management. Advancement relies on being able to shrink designs so they use less power and thus create less heat. In a handheld this is of the utmost importance because these are battery powered devices that realistically need passive cooling measures only. To that end they operate on a milliwatt scale. These HD consoles used around 200 watts when they first launched, process technology advancement and other improvements have managed to get that down to under 85 watts. Of course the majority of that is still the chipset which is in excess of 50 watts for PS3. Be a few years yet until this performance is available on a milliwatt scale and thus integrated into handhelds. If i had to call it i would say approx 10 years after a console has launched. PSP faster than PS1 10 years to the month after it launched, i expect PSP2 to be as fast or possibly faster than the original xbox and that will be ten years old next year in november. Another 5 years tops until we see PS3/360 level performance in a handheld
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PSP 2 won't be running at 720p, or above, so it doesn't need PS3 level hardware. I bet they could already get prototype PSP 2 games running at 480p (or whatever)which look like PS3 games, the only problem is battery life and the thermal design. Whatever happens, the PSP 2 will be a beast! I'm looking forward to this generation so much :)
You guys have absolutely no idea what your taking about, The Iphone4 is already capable of just under 360 graphics. http://www.youtube.com/watc... Watch in 1080p and try not to cry for being morons. And taking into consideration the new Samsung Galaxy S phone's GPU is considerably more powerful then that which is found in the Iphone 4. It's quite clear your all smoking crack if you can't believe handhelds could touch 360/PS3 graphics. And yes I know the controls suck in that tech demo of the Iphone 4 but obviously the PSP2 will have a physical controller.
@Rush It's not that the handheld devices like the iPhone is capable of 360/PS3 graphics, it's the fact that it runs in damn near SD resolution that's on a smaller screen. That's why they are able to simulate the type of graphics we see on our HDTVs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it looks bad, but you have to consider that most 360/PS3 games are 720p with some 1080p for PS3 games.
@Rush Neither do you, iPhone 4 is running this demo at 640p (or it could be upscaled from a lower res) with no people or other items in there. I'm pretty sure the iPhone 4 couldn't run this demo smoothly if it was full of people who needed AI coding and full animation. An Xbox 360 runs the majority of it's games in 720p, some in 1080p and its more than 5 years old! Unlike the iPhone 4, released this year wasn't it? No one said the PSP 2 wouldn't be able to reach Xbox 360/PS3 graphics, they just said the heat and battery problems are limiting it. And don't call me a handheld console or iphone troll because I actually own both types of device and a normal console.
@Vulcan You are absolutely correct. Also even if they can get the performance right now, its is it cost effective to produce for the mass market. Cost will have to be under $200 to make the unit at most to sell with a warranty. And then they look at 200-400% on top when they sell products. The thing is that Sony has ate up and undersold in the past so they are not looking for short term gains on most of their gaming hardware so they could look at a loss for the initial years of any product they sell. If they want to be smart they will get something into our hands for $250. Judging from the 3DS being in the 250$-300$ range we could see Sony selling this thing for 350$ again with bells and whistles. Sony say something before E3 about this thing! I want to get excited.
Waaaaaah! Some the stuff that phone does looks awesome..
@Rush You are retarded if you think Sony will make a device with the iPad screen size -_- Get your head out of your ass before you go around flaming people.
@Rush Man what a foulmouth. You cant make a single comment without the F word in it -__-. That being said, super high resolution on small screens are kind of a waste. Whats the point of super high pixel density when the difference is barely noticeable. It's probably much more cost saving to stick with an 800x480 resolution. The HTC EVO's screen looks pretty crisp at that resolution and I wouldn't want a gaming screen much larger than that anyway. Thats just my opinion
Another problem would be heating issues and battery life. Some people say "we want 1080p and HD graphics" but ignore the challenges of making hardware capable of those feat while maintaining a solid battery life and keeping the handheld from cooking your hands.
i wish it was possible if the handheld is able to play ps3/xb360 on the go i would love to play god of war while im away
Does someone else want to tell him or should I?
I'LL DO IT! GOD OF WAR: CHAINS OF OLYMPUS IS A GOD OF WAR GAME FOR THE PSP!
GOD OF WAR: GHOST OF SPARDA IS ALSO A GOD OF WAR GAME FOR THE PSP! It just came out.
Demon's Souls on the go! I'll miss my stop all the time!
Don't forget the new God of War: Ghost of Sparta. The game is sick!
Its a little bit off Topic, but intressting i think... Source; www.gamefront.de Japan: Sony sold 326,639 PSP in a week 06:12:10 - Sony has sold 326 639 units of the PSP from 01:12:10 to 05:12:10 in Japan, has identified as Famitsu publishers Enterbrain. Key to the strong increase in sales was Capcom's Monster Hunter Portable for PSP 3rd, which was published on 01:12:10. On Topic: TOO PAWNED i agree with you. A PSP2 with a PS3 Power, how much Battery it will eat?? If i can play at least 5-8 hours than its ok...i think
i doubt it will be because all i would do is play my psp2 and let my ps3 gather dust.
who cares how powerful it is as long as it has good games!
. I hope so.
I hope so to. but Cloudberry, you seriously need to change that avatar... its so hidious.
I highly doubt that
same here, don't see how can they do it. It's like PS2 Toy Story thing. People over exaggerate. It is going to be most powerful handheld for sure but lets not over blow it
It's not inconceivable that the graphics would come close to ps3. Have you seen Epic Citadel on iPhone? The graphics in that certainly pass ps2 level and some parts could certainly pass for this gens graphical quality of games http://www.youtube.com/watc...
You've got to bear in mind that it takes a lot less pixels at that screen size to look as good.It comes down to the fx it can handle.If the RAM is true,that will help a lot get some serious stuff on screen. I personally feel the thing that would make PSP2 a hit would be twin sticks.
I wish it would be like the old days again, with real handhelds competing for dominance. I like sony and nintendo handhelds but im sick of the ipod cutting into the handheld market. because of the iphone, the handheld video game market is ruined as more companies will want to invest in cheap games for phones
well said. iphone apps are relatively cheap to produce and make good profits which is why companys are investing heavily in smartphone games. these said games are fun at first but get boring very fast. i'll stick with my gameboy, psp, ds thanks.
lol yeah sure.. I'll believe that when I see it.
Maybe it is possible if they keep the resolution 480x600 of w/e. The cell CPU is very tiny. so it might fit in.
Oh yes, Lots of power.. but Battery life will be a problem though, my friend..
Have you seen the batteries Sony is developing?
Do they implode instead of explode this time?
No I haven't. Got a link?
I would love for my hands to burst into flames while I play games.
Yeah that won't happen, sadly you'll have to make due with your house burning down with a Xbox 360.
Definitely not true. You would need a full size fan to keep the device cool if it were that strong. Not to mention battery life. You would only be able to play on the thing for 10 minutes. While I would love a handheld PS3, such a thing is unrealistic right now.
LOL They must have been so high when they wrote this article. Seriously though, not right now. Its not gonna happen for a long time.
its 5 year old hardware, it wouldnt be hard
I doubt that you have a career that deals with manufacturing new hardware.
Im an engineering design graduate and i can recognise the diffcaulty in it. it may be 5 year old hardware but the same obstacles exist now as they did when they produced that said hardware, heat, energy consumption, thermal management, manufacturing costs etc. Scaling down the product while maintaing that processing power is no easy feat when running off a handheld, consumer sized battery. it would take atleast 5 more years of design and research, maybe even longer.
on a sub 720p device and on a WALL SOCKET. sure.... but on the go? I don't think we have enough "juice" for that... not to mention having a huge Azz heatsink.. Maybe in PSP3... when chip architectures are much more efficient.. We're hitting the ceiling on how chips can go any smaller.. breakthrough in architecture or material is needed... I am confident it'll look good as the PS2 or XBOX at least.. Let's see how Tegra 2 will perform in cellphones in Q1. It MIGHT give a glimpse on the PSP2's output.
http://www.gizmag.com/graph... With these kinds of advances I don't see how the future of handles won't match and beat the PS3's power. A lot of you seem to be living in the stone age.
One can only dream.
Very unlikely that a handheld can produce ps3 like graphics. But someplace between wii and ps3? For me it would be more than good enough.
I wonder did u people say the same thing when it was said that the PSP is as powerful as PS2.
This is impossible for now because you guys know a screen that small cant support 1080p also, it is too expensive....I know none of us want an $500 handheld or your crazy. Just be happy that it is going to be close to HD and have awesome game forget 1080p I got an HD tv for that.
thats the wrong way to go about it if true. this all but gurantees that itll be really expensive, which is something this things cant be if it wants to do well.
yea sure... but you are gonna have to hold the device with heat mittens
Maybe they could at least give it a netbook or cellphone processor. 1.6ghz is much better then 333mhz. Maybe they could put in 1gb of ram and I don't really know for gpu. 2 sticks, big battery and same maybe a OLED. I think it could work based on what I know. A PS3 handheld probably won't happen for another 5 years at least. EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it. Maybe the games could be on blu-ray UMDs, or it could have like 32gb of onboard storage and take SD cards. Also supports all the usefull codecs. WHO'D BUY IT!? STARTING PRICE FOR MY DEVICE - $400 for 32GB $500 for 64GB
hooray for your awesome idea zeph, you should totally go work at sony because you would make the best stuff
I hope so but I doubt it.... It'd be so expensive...
Why would I want PS3 graphics at Micro size?
I think that 480p is sufficient for a handheld. Can't wait to they just come out with the specs on this thing. I loved the psp when it first came out. Unfortunately, I was clumsy and dropped one behind a stationary school refrigerator. lol
1024x576p @ 60fps + V-Sync, 360-level graphics, quality PSN integration and good battery. Would do me fine.
...I bet it’ll do 720p, or some sort of display like the retina on the iPhone 4 that’s just super clear. I bet it will have sub 360 graphics, but you’ll barely be able to tell the difference since it’s not a huge TV screen.
I really hope not, you guys all want it super powerful now but then they announce the price of 600$ and no publishers want to support it. I really hope they dont make that mistake
if THAT ever happens... and I seriously DOUBT it ever will... that thing's gonna be HELLA-expensive.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah is that a joke right? no? damn.
Nah i seriously doubt that it will be that "powerful" even to 360's level (fyi i dont like xbox, i'm proud PS3 owner) and looking at lets say Halo: Reach that thing has to be one helluva pint size processing badass to be able to process the xbox and even at PS3 launch titles standard..... Unless Sony takes the approach of using a low powered, ultra-fast calculating CPU some what same mechanics the ps3 has for say..... and a GPU that can keep up with the CPU's level of calculating with at least 256Mb of RAM which is 4 times as much as the current PSP's memory..... Then ladies and gentlemen I can honestly say that we'd probably end up with a handheld gadget with graphics BETTER than the PS2 but not as GREAT as xbox 3 fix me (lol i had to do it lmao) and especially the PS3..... And I hope they add a fully functional version of PSN on it, somewhat similar to how they got it to work on the PS3..... The reason why I dont think a hand held gadget can match the PS3's level of visuals is that it'll be power hungry and difficult to the point things get laggy and glitchy.... While its trying to lets say manage graphics, physics, lighting and etc. Like Resistance: Fall of Man or Motorstorm(The very First one), and Uncharted: Anyone of them....... Think about it..... But hey this is just a thought.... Sorry for poor grammar
Looking forward to seeing what this baby can do!
Sony as nothing to fear
I like how everyone is saying, "1080p this and that" There are only a handful of games that actually run at 1080p. Just so you know 1080 on a 4 inch screen is the same as 1080p on a 55 inch screen. Of course handhelds can do this already, it just isn't cost effective to produce this right now.