From a press release from Sony France, PlayStation Move sells twice as much as Kinect so far.
No sh!t. Europe is Sonyland as far as HD consoles are concerned.
I wish they'd compete more aggressively for share here in the U.S. :(
Sony would likely have to spend more money than they would make, unfortunately. Microsoft is king of U.S. marketing. Just look at how many Bing, WP7, and Kinect commercials/ads you see on a regular basis (TV, magazines, and radio). Right now Microsoft is spending $400m on WP7 advertising and $500m on Kinect advertising. How can Sony honestly compete with that when they don't even have that type of revenue lying around?
What does that even mean? I'm glad they spend more of their time and resources making quality games, peripherals, and gaming consoles. They don't have to make a larger marketing push to get my money. If you care about their share price, buy some shares.
It's a pity good marketing doesn't necessarily mean good products.
At the time it is difficult to be aggressive in the US for a company that operates in Japan like Sony. The US dollar is weaker than the Euro, and both pale in comparison to the yen. Sure Sony wants to move hardware and software in the states, but they take a big hit if they convert it back to yen. As long as Sony is keeping pace worldwide, they will be happy with the overall results. When they can bring manufacturing costs down to less than $200 per unit, Sony can afford to be more aggressive in the US and make up some ground.
Not hard to believe the 4.1 million in Move sales if you understand PS3 dominance in Europe. @DOMination MS numbers are also shipped figures, they only confirmed 1m in sales to consumers, the 2.5 is shipped to retailers only. If there is a direct confirmation from MS then correct me.
***I'm glad they spend more of their time and resources making quality games, peripherals, and gaming consoles.*** I don't know the exact figures, but it's not like Microsoft doesn't spend similar amounts of money on these as well. Microsoft has put a ton of money into XBL, so much that they continue to dominate and are expanding the infrastructure to WP7. ***They don't have to make a larger marketing push to get my money.*** They do to get the money of those who aren't hardcore gamers or hardcore blu-ray users. ***If you care about their share price, buy some shares.*** It's a discussion about business, not about personal preference. *** It's a pity good marketing doesn't necessarily mean good products.*** Exactly. The high failure rate of the 360 should be a huge example of this. I still can't believe how well it did considering how faulty the hardware was. ***As long as Sony is keeping pace worldwide, they will be happy with the overall results. When they can bring manufacturing costs down to less than $200 per unit, Sony can afford to be more aggressive in the US and make up some ground.*** I agree with this, but not sure they'll increase aggressiveness with the PS3 or put focus on their new handheld devices instead.
"At the time it is difficult to be aggressive in the US for a company that operates in Japan like Sony. The US dollar is weaker than the Euro, and both pale in comparison to the yen. Sure Sony wants to move hardware and software in the states, but they take a big hit if they convert it back to yen." Surely, if the dollar is weaker and they are able to profit (or even break even) on the sale of each PS3, it is even cheaper to do major advertisement. There is no reason to hold back, while your competitor is eating into your pie unless you don't have the finances to back it up. Let's face it a bunch of people that owned PS2 now owns a Wii or Xbox 360. Nintendo and MS has eating into Sony's market share. If Sony is breaking even or better, advertise now. You will make a profit in other areas, but the longer they wait the tougher it will get.
Noooo! France = the whole world! @CGoodno: "Exactly. The high failure rate of the 360 should be a huge example of this. I still can't believe how well it did considering how faulty the hardware was." Maybe it only did well because of how faulty the hardware was! Since this is based on console sales and I mean, their selling each customer 4-5 of them!
***Surely, if the dollar is weaker and they are able to profit (or even break even) on the sale of each PS3, it is even cheaper to do major advertisement. *** I agree with you overall, though the amount is still staggering when talking about competing against Microsoft. The only thing that a business would consider is that a weak dollar tends to mean a lower expectancy of sales in comparison to usual due to the weakening dollar. ***Maybe it only did well because of how faulty the hardware was! Since this is based on console sales and I mean, their selling each customer 4-5 of them!*** Yeah, but they're still dominating in software sales in the U.S. At least in comparison to the PS3. This would indicate that either a) 360 fans are, for the majority, people who invest in a lot of games or b) The quantity of people who have purchased multiple consoles for whatever reason are not so much greater than those who do the same on the PS3.
"I agree with you overall, though the amount is still staggering when talking about competing against Microsoft." I believe that a company should invest in both research, development and marketing. It seems Sony has the funds to continually develop games and take their sweet time doing it, they should divert some of that to marketing. Now, I know as a gamer that is a no no, but the investor in me says that isn't doing justice to shareholders. With that said, you are right competing against MS is though if you don't have the cash, but Sony got the brand name and if they don't do anything about it soon they will slowly loose that too. Especially with Nintendo breathing down their neck.
its not just france...most of europe has always been this way, france is just another country
Wasn't their just an article saying Move and Kinect can't be compared? Kinect is one device were Move can have up to 4 Move controllers on one PS3. Edit: Found it, http://conflictinggamers.co... It does make sense kind of, how can it be figured?
Four players w/o having to take turns against two players at a time?
So if it sold double, than it sold even?
Move has been out for 2 months longer than Kinect. Not to mention, Sony conveniently use SHIPPED figures compared to MS who use SALES figures. With everything considered, Move has been pretty underwhelming.
right: shipped... there's no place in Europe where you can find a Move controller anymore. Didn't see any startpack either this noon... Bundled with console: if you're quick I guess they can be found. btw, kinects: no problem to find.
"Move has been out for 2 months longer than Kinect." isn't that the same point sony fans make when talking about the lead the 360 has over the ps3? Its good that someone who clearly favors the 360 finally acknowledges and validates that argument. Thanks!
And it will sell twice as fast in the US what's the point of this?? Only the hardcore fanboys think Kinect will beat everything else worldwide right away.
"These data are unfortunately confidential, we cannot thus confirm the statement made by Sony France..." Any number that Sony states without confirmation must be divided by ten. So, actual sales of Move in France are 5 times LESS than Kinect.
France? OK, well, Im not sure this is anything to brag about. I mean, if I was in an argument with a bunch of folks, and the only one who would side with me was France, I would start to question my own argument, like, ok, maybe Im the one who is wrong LMAO!
Yeah, Thats right ! Control that damage !
What damage? It's f***ing France! The GDP for the state of California is roughly the same as the country of France. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
And god knows that having roughly the same economy as the richest US state means you're a third world country, right ?
Wow, way to take my comment out of context. Why don't we all start debating sales numbers from evey other country in Europe while were at it. Oh yeah, and we might as well break down the US into a State by State comparison and then by county in each state.......Just so each side can argue that their console is "kicking ass" there too. As I stated before, it is just one country in Europe, get over it.
I don't really see what's so great about these news anyway? In 3 months Move sold twice as much as Kinect in 1 month? Okay. And?
Lloyd... It is not just one country in Europe. This is happening all around Europe. Even here in the UK which is undoubtably Xbox land there are Kinect systems on the shelves. Forget the likes of Game and HMV, Move is sold places like Asda and Tesco and those two supermarkets are the real big sellers in the country. Not even Play and Amazon combined come close to just Tesco or just Asda. On their own they are far away the biggest sellers of the UK gaming distributors simply because they outprice the usual names, they are everywhere including very, very small towns and a single Tesco or Asda store can pull in more customers than all HMV stores around the entire nation. Move is annihilating Kinect here in Europe. It is still selling out in the supermarkets which is quite frankly insane because COD:MW2 and COD:BO couldn't do it!!
what? your comment barely makes sense... I'd say if you sided with anyone they'd have to question their argument because...you really don't know what the hell you are saying at all do you? this is about Move selling more than Kinect in France...not about arguments or who you'd side wiith thats completely irrelevant. this isn't about bragging or being right. its just a fact. stop that damage control, its not needed child.
Huh? What are you talking about?
I've played both.... neither are mature technology yet....
Well, seeing as how the "average" person living in Western Europe does not have the large living space required to play kinect correctly it doesn't surprise me. Not saying they are poor or anything, it is just common knowledge that Europeans live in smaller homes than average Americans. Don't take my word for it though- look it up yourself.
george bush...is that you?
Wha? George Bush said that too?
it is just common knowledge that the average western european have more money than the average american.. estern europ tho... thats another story
everything in USA is bigger than in Europe. Bigger cars, houses, fast food menus and so on. Maybe someone is compensating for having a small penis :) I kid
USA! USA! USA!
Bigger, like big stupidity, and big ignorance.
To be expected.
playstation move: september 17 2010 - december 6 2010 = 80 days xbox kinect: november 10 2010 - december 6 2010 = 26 days since 360 and ps3 are about even footing in eu (i would assume throughout all countries in eu aswell) the move should technically have sold 3 as much as the kinect since its been out for 3 times longer at this point EDIT: disagree if you want, these are actual facts based on the numbers and NO i am not taking anything from move, im just saying they are a bit off schedule with sales, this has nothing to do with the move itself and its quality
Does that work the Same with the 360 and PS3? You know, the 360 having a year head start and everything?
of course it does, and ps3 is in fact TECHNICALLY ahead of 360 because of it...im not saying it IS, im saying it SHOULD and COULD be here is the logic behind what i said and ill use easy numbers...let say that at this point in time move sold 10 and kinect sold 5, now that is 2 times what kinect sold, but it had 3 times as much time to get that 2x difference...now if kinect had as much time of exposure it could possibly sell 15 by the same time, which is in fact more than what move sold with the same amount of time now these are all THEORETICAL and the numbers never sell the same amount everytime, which is why i said it should TECHNICALLY have sold 3 times as much, but you all see me "downplaying" the numbers and immediately have to react in a negative way
It seem that you fail at math. For example: Move sales Sep: 4m Aug: 2m Oct: 1M Nov: 1m Total: 8m Kinect sales Nov: 5m If you say is right then Move sales supposed to be 20m. but real world dont work like that
rrw what are you talking about, you fail at basic knowledge of months, it goes sept, oct, nov...there is no aug in between "If you say is right then Move sales supposed to be 20m. but real world dont work like that" did you not see me write "now these are all THEORETICAL and the numbers never sell the same amount everytime, which is why i said it should TECHNICALLY have sold 3 times as much," ? EDIT @rrw: btw, how do i fail at math, when your math example had nothing to do with my example (based on ratios) and my example wasnt even incorrectly done
Well, 3 times in the market doesn't mean 3 times in sales. if it true then why Ps3 not 4/5 (roughly 36 M) of xbox sales
what i said was based on what numbers were being produced at the time...no sales numbers are solid or ever stays that way forever...ps3 also does have moer than 4/5 of xbox numbers i believe and its why ps3 is technically ahead of the 360 in due time
UK - 360 is selling better than PS3 Rest of EU - PS3 is selling better than 360 Overall PS3 > 360 But your logic is truly superb - every PS3 owner is gonna buy Move and every 360 owner Kinect?
And without a $500 marketing campaign. @MrAnonymous "the move should technically have sold 3 as much as the kinect since its been out for 3 times longer at this point" In that case, the Xbox should technically have sold 10 million more consoles than the PS3 since it's been out a year longer.
yea...ps3 in the same timeframe would be ahead of 360...but i never said it was/wasnt the case
Do you see how easily offended these fanboys get? I didn't see anywhere in your comments that you decided to ignore the one year headstart that the 360 had and that it should be ahead by a few million, yet these girls pull this observation out of their asses and try to shoot down your comments.
i guess France likes to ''move it move they like to move it...''
LOL you are totally right :) We, French, like to move it move it... We are also best at doing STRIKES!!! XD
That's the reason why Move is out of stock everywhere in France. Fnac, Micromania (Gamestop branch), Game ...
Doesn't France know that Kinect was featured on Oprah and Ellen??? Oh wait, they don't give a shit like me.
No, they don't even know what Oprah and Ellen are :)
What is that everyone likes to say around here, USA does not = the world. Well France sure as F&ck dont = the world. :) Calm down kids, its just France.
Seems like you've been abused by some French people,otherwise I don't understand you're hate for them,or maybe you're just one of those "AMERICA F*** YEAH !!!" kind of people,no ? Red-Neck much are we ? :p
What? sir you dont have to be a "red neck" to love your country, or dislike France. Lots of people who know anything about cultures other than their own, dislike France. Its kinda like Microsoft, most people around here have an irrational hate of MS because of a few questionable things they have done in the past, France is the same way. Get over it, are you French?
in france? i was expecting this in soviet russia. oh well..
In Soviet Russia, Playstation Move controls you!
This really is a stupid thin to brag about seeing they have been out there longer than Kinectand this is coming from someone who likes sony a bit more.
Yet its ok for fanboys and MS to brag about 360 sales when it was out a year (18 months in Europe) before the PlayStation 3. Not to mention the PS3 has outsold it yearly anyway...and yet still Microsoft and MS fanboys brag about the 2 million install base lead.
no surprise here
in france? what about the rest of europe
no surprise move is really good hardware and us lot in europe don't fall for hype alone, we like products that actually have something called quality
Personally I think kinect will do somthing the PS3 couldn't do and that's pass the one that was released first.
Less than 2 month lead for Move over Kinect compared to 16 month 360 lead to PS3.The PS3 has passed 360 in EU despite this.Look at WW sales and it is obvious that PS3 leads EU(except UK). I love the big 360 fans,they are ignorant morons with little real knowledge(and yes I know some of the PS3 fanboys are mental too but it terms of stupidity 360 ones are the kings).
Oh stop, your just saying that because you are one of the "mental" PS3 fanboys, your words not mine. To us neutral people, you guys are both equally silly. And I gotta say I have noticed on this site, I see A LOT more stupid PS3 fans than I do 360 fans. And I am a huge PS3 fan who also has a 360, so no loyalties to either going on here.
State of Matter- "And I am a huge PS3 fan who also has a 360, so no loyalties to either going on here. " im the same, but that doesn't exist on n4g, you have to worship the ps3, and crucify ms and the 360 on here, otherwise you're an xbot to these folks.....