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Pachter: "Handhelds are in trouble" from Apple threat, PSP2 is "going to be dead on arrival"

Nintendo Universe writes:

Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter has revealed his thoughts that the handheld market is “in trouble,” and that when Sony do release their PSP2 it “is going to be dead on arrival.” (Android, iPad, iPhone, Ipod, Michael Pachter, Mobile, Nintendo DS, PS Vita, PSP)

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wwm0nkey  +   1821d ago
I wonder how much drugs he was on when he said this. Dedicated gaming handhelds > nondedicated gaming handhelds.
Dark_Charizard  +   1821d ago
He makes a good point, you know.

But Apple has entered the market.. something it didn't do in the last generation, pedobear.
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longcat  +   1821d ago
The dedicated handheld market grew by more than 75 million units since last gen. He has no point
longcat  +   1821d ago
"But Apple has entered the market.. something it didn't do in the last generation, pedobear."

Agreed, but do both devices target the same group?
Does the success of one logically predict the demise of the other?

In terms of quality of software, its apples and oranges, and i don't see myself completely abandoning experiences like Valkyria Chronicles, Peacewalker and GOW for the content that exists on phones.

Edit - My point is that he has no basis for these predictions - he's just pulling random thoughts out of his a$$.
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Anarki  +   1821d ago
Pachter - need I say more.
Game-ur  +   1821d ago
On the bonus round Pachter sang a different tone, he said the PSP2 is good if it does a lot more than games, and from the specs it does, also said it’s a lot more for game publishers because they can make a lot more money from selling 30-40$ games.
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ngecenk  +   1821d ago
he got a point. the problem is dedicated game handheld is proven not to be as success as casual gaming like DS and iPhone. i think sony shouldve notice this market behavior. handheld hardcore gaming is not as success as casual gaming. putting lots of bet on it wont do much.

portable gaming should be more on release than on quality. casual gamer does not dig into the deep when they do multitasking with it. but they do more consumptive than hardcore gamer.
sdtarm  +   1821d ago
Fk Pachter should be banned from the internet :@@
morganfell  +   1821d ago
I had an Iphone for quite a while. Without dedicated controls they are limited and frustrating.
HolyOrangeCows  +   1821d ago
Pachter's Law: Everything Pachter says is the opposite of the truth - Looks like the PSP2 is going to be the most successful handheld of all time!
blackbeld  +   1821d ago
Pachter is a big joke on the internet. I bet you he doesn't even know that.
How can he be an analyst when his predictions always have been wrong?
Washington-Capitals  +   1821d ago
Crapple, nuff said.
Karum  +   1821d ago
You mean the DS isn't a dedicated gaming handheld? WTH is it then?
BillOreilly  +   1821d ago
I love ipad/iphone gaming and the epic game shows it can be as good as a psp game and is more convienient but really the psp is old, i want near 360/ps3 levels on a portable handheld. The psp2 will give me that. Psp=ps2, psp2=ps3 or close enough to have games like uncharted, fallout 3, exc on it. Im sick of playing last gen games on the go, i want a portable oblivion, cod, red dead even if its downgraded a bit.
poopface1  +   1821d ago
people buy a handheld to play games, people dont buy a Iphone to play games. They just play some games on their phone.

You cant sell 30-40 dollar handheld games on the iphone, noone will buy that. All the big budget games will be on the 3ds/psp2.
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JLeVRT  +   1821d ago
Some one got a nice bribe from Apple...
gamerdude132  +   1821d ago
Even I don't think Apple would give money to this friggin' moron.
MazzingerZ  +   1821d ago
It's like saying PC games (Zuma, etc) were a competition to console games...nothing to do with each other, there's people playing Zuma on the PC that will never play nor are interested in the likes of Resistance 3 or Halo and vice versa.

I'm just waiting for SONY to confirm the PSPhone so I can decide if I'm getting a PSP Go or the phone device but definitely I'm someone that wants to play real games, don't care about other type of games

This is the same thing as on consoles, PSP and DS are the consoles and those games on the iPhone are the Zumas.

Patcher can't crap about games, why he insist in calling himself a "gamer"?
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tacosRcool  +   1821d ago
Boy who cried wolf?
Christopher  +   1821d ago
Actually, he's right. There are more people who game on the side on smart phones than there are people who buy dedicated handhelds for just gaming. Though, the profit from dedicated handheld games is larger, they sell a lot less in general.

Unless Sony comes out with a power house of a device that is more than just a gaming device, it'll end up being just another PSP.
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Peppino7  +   1821d ago
Even if you have half of the original psp owners it's already a win from the start.
Megaton  +   1821d ago
There's a reason why this guy and HHG act like butt buddies when you get them together on camera.
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longcat  +   1821d ago
Do we have no standards whatsoever on this site?
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Seedhouse  +   1821d ago
It's an opportunity to laugh at what he comes out with, if anything.
longcat  +   1821d ago
True, but if we keep giving this guy attention, then what we are saying is that he is good enough for our industry.

That is what i have a problem with.
visualb  +   1821d ago
the fact that the N4G community still approves patcher, VGChartz and flame bait titles/articles from pointless websites is enough to know the N4G approval system is a cesspool of ****

however, occasionally, a gem comes out of it, thus why its so awesome...

but I agree, there are NO STANDARDS ON THIS SITE.

its broken.
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longcat  +   1821d ago

we punish those who punish us

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radphil  +   1821d ago
Do the numbers next to the name mean how many bubbles they have, just curious.

If so, they need to change the method of how articles are accepted on here.
rjdofu  +   1821d ago
@radphil: I don't think so, all the numbers add up to 10- the required number of approvements.
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rrw  +   1821d ago
Patcher can You answer this question.

If you think like this:

Mobile gaming (iphone) = sucessful
Game Handheld (PSP) = Fail


PSP + Phone = PSphone

does PSphone will fail or not?
Burning_Finger  +   1821d ago
Patcher brain dead on arrival. Yup, he was born that way.
LordMe  +   1821d ago
Apple is more casual.

You don't expect people to play Monster Hunter, Persona, or God of War on the iphone/ipad like you would see on the PSP, the core market will follow the consoles and games.

I have used an ipad for gaming and decided that I will not be doing that anytime soon.
Redempteur  +   1821d ago
sorry vut the ds is already installed in the familly mond as what they want .

You expect me to believ that the caxsual market is ready to invest SO much money on a device they don't know wellthat isn't even sure to answer their expectations ?

on the other hand you have a concept that is growing yes but far from being the succes in the like of what nintendo did since the gameboy.

Gb , GBA, DS , DSI all sucess and The psp was only able to replicate that partially thanks to the PLAYSTATION name .

Apple has nothingthey have to create a place for themselves in fornt of these 2 big names ..
pain777pas  +   1821d ago
If the PSP2 has 4g always connected support, it will succeed. Otherwise, if the PS Phone specs are good enough to run all PSP games and PS1 games to date then I'll get that and a 3DS. Nintendo will get my money because the graphics are up to snuff and the tech is cool.
Stealth20k  +   1821d ago
I will be buying the 3ds and the psp 2 and not a phone?

What does he say now?

Considering this gen handhelds have had the highest sales ever.

Hes a moron

PS. nintendo is expecting 4 million 3ds sales in 1 month in japan alone. And another 4 million worldwide the next month. Any apple product couldnt touch that.
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Ponurasky  +   1821d ago
I'm already sold to 3DS. And gaming on a phone? I rather play on classic black&white Gameboy than on a phone.

Pachter is just a troll, why does GT gave him a show? If they wanted some comedian it was better to ask Jay Leno or someone like that to do this "predictions".
bunfighterii  +   1821d ago
In the American market he may be right, but in Japan handhelds are stronger than ever and stronger than the consoles so a PSP2 would be successful there I reckon.
TheMART  +   1821d ago
Well... Pachter is always wrong, so...

PSP2 will be a success! Lets hope after the pretty boring PSP line up besides hardware sales it'll also sell some software though.
josh14399  +   1821d ago
He has a point I only play handheld games while traveling so why would i want to spend 30-40gbp per psp game when i can pay 69p for cut the rope and angry birds. Iphone games are more casual but most people don't want to be neck deep in monster hunter while traveling to work. i used to play my psp on trains and stuff but recently i just use my iphone because it means i have less to carry. some people like to play psp or ds games in their houses but most core gamers would rather play on their pc, 360 or ps3's. I'm not saying the psp2 will fail but they are going to have to offer cheaper games (like the psp games are now) and some good advertising otherwise the psp2 will suffer the same fate as the psp.
Burning_Finger  +   1821d ago
I just noticed that this article came from Nintendo Universe. I find this ironic. Either way, Patcher is a nutcase. I can't believe a company would be willing to pay this moron to say and predict stupid crap.
AwesomeJizz  +   1821d ago
If I ask Pachter to blow me, how much do you think he'd charge?

Thanks in advance, AwesomeJizz.
hot111  +   1821d ago
He makes a good point though

“I really think as the iPod Touch gets more and more powerful, you’re going to see a lot of free games over there. What’s the difference if you can play Tetris on the iPod Touch or on the DS? Well, you pay $1 on the iPod Touch, you pay $20 on hte DS. Parents prefer $1 or free software, I think the iPod Touch is going to sell really well.
agingerbreadbum  +   1821d ago realize that the ds does things a hella lot better than tetris (capability wise) that the itouch cannot touch (haha, accidental pun). If itouch games got as good as ds games, they'd be just as expensive, 'cause they'd cost as much to make
RankFTW  +   1821d ago
When was the last time Pachter was correct?
TABSF  +   1821d ago
The difference is:

Apple you get the games for like 5 minutes fun.

Sony you get the games and play them for hours on end.
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Kran  +   1821d ago
I dont even have a PSP or PS3, but what you just said was so true.
BrutallyBlunt  +   1821d ago
Before the Wii launched
Did he predict the Wii would do as well as it did? Im sure he thought it would be dead on arrival since the Playstation 2 did so well and he probable assumed the Playdstation 3 would once again kill any attempt made by Nintendo.

It just goes to show how rapidly this industry changes. We really have no idea what the PSP2 offers at this point. Apple has all the momentum right now but history has shown time and time again that it never lasts.
Bluemaster77  +   1821d ago
What you guys fail to realize is that he actually doesnt care about the accuracy of his statements , he gets paid to make them and thats it.
Kran  +   1821d ago
OK. Patcher is worse than me when it comes to speculating
Apocwhen  +   1821d ago
PSP2 needs to adapt a similar model to Apple and its iPod/iPhone/iPad devices which empowers the customer to develop their own software for the device. If Sony allows the public to develop apps or games for the device then it will be a day one purchase for me.
RankFTW  +   1821d ago
I like the idea and all but wouldn't want to see the platform pulled down by infinite shovelware.
joeorc  +   1821d ago
If Only..

if only there was an OS that was industry standard from many manuf.

if there was only a way for people to get started on learning how to program an make Games for such devices [Android app inventor]

if there was only Such a device that combined a game machine and such an open OS all in the same Handheld form factor [PSPPhone]

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wissam  +   1821d ago
If the psp2 has a reason price and a good launch titles it will be awesome. patcher fails again.
tony6767  +   1821d ago
on psp2 arrival pachter will be playing it nonstop
ForROME  +   1821d ago
I agree, the handheld market has vastly changed, nintendo will be the only real survivor out of the big 3 consoles makers, phones are just to powerful, droid vs iphone everyone else is just a pawn.

And I think Nintendo, this may their last real round in the hand held phones are just getting to expensive and pack to much power.
user858621  +   1821d ago
does this guy suck apple c*ck or something?? -_-'
Fatal Blow  +   1821d ago
Am really sorry to bust your bubble pachter but when did apple become a gaming hand held i will never call a iphone or a itouch a gaming hand held and i have them both one is a smart phone the other is a music player plus video that's it
zeksta  +   1821d ago
Hey, Great, another ignorant and stupid person, who is this "Patcher" guy anyway?

He sounds like someone that should actually listen to his name and patch what he say's.
quiddd  +   1821d ago
Regarding this guy..........
there's gotta be a place that outlines his predictions. Can someone reply to this post with his past predictions and how they came out?
joeorc  +   1821d ago

"nintendo will be the only real survivor out of the big 3 consoles makers"

what did you mean by the only survivor?

as in still putting out hardware on the market?

because you do notice both Microsoft and Sony are already moving platform's into the SmartPhone arena, they know where it's heading as Nintendo knows as well.

SmartPhones are going to be as good as a gaming HandHeld as any dedicated Game machine for Hand Held gaming.

All three will survive very well in my Opinion because UNLIKE Nintendo both Sony and Microsoft have an advantage that Nintendo does not have in this part of the Hand Held market space..that Both Microsoft and Sony have both released PDA's on the market and now no longer make PDA's they make SmartPhones.

SmartPhone's absorbed the PDA market, and with the advant of Smartphone devices such as the Iphone and the Ipod touch, and the Droid devices, now windows 7.

Nintendo is also changing the DS platform to one that itself no longer plays just game's and was able to DO PDA like function's just like these other smart/smart devices..with enhanced cart's but still allowed the DS to do thing's that many gamer's did not use the DS for.

Just look at what has changed with the DS platfor it self..more an more non gaming function's have been added the more they go along bigger screens, ebook reading, networked enabled..etc.

the DS Platform is flexable to grow as any other the smart handheld devices. but also that's why these smart handheld devices have so many companies are all on board. many times you can get a sizable share of a market that frankly is so big there is room for d@mn near everyone.

the companies know the tell tell signs where the market is heading, and just like The game consoles with many non game function's added that relate to no gaming at all is in

the Wii, The PS3, an The xbox360, the hand held industry is also following suit.

the total dedicated "Game only device is dead" that died a long time ago convergence made sure of that along with the consumer.

that mind you in my opinion is not such a bad thing, many options for entertainment for a device that was made to do "entertainment anyway" is not such a bad thing.

in my opinion growth in the sector can an will support more "game centric devices" but no one will completely dominate...

there is just too many products that split the market but everyone can carve out a sizable share though, which is a good thing.
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guigsy  +   1821d ago
I think he is right personally. The decline in handheld gaming isn't going to happen overnight, it will happen over the next 5 years or so. Dedicated gaming devices just don't cut it anymore, look at the PS3 and 360 with all it additional non-gaming features (Netflix,, ESPN etc.) If Sony and Nintendo (and possibly Microsoft) are to compete in the portable market in the future, they need to move in this direction. The PSP Phone is a step in the right direction.
fr3d0  +   1821d ago
Wow! Dead on arrival. This guy is a fortune teller, I'm glad I now know the future, and will mindlessly buy apple products as instructed.

Pachter is the dumbest sounding last name I've ever heard.
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