Edge: Gran Turismo 5 Review

"After a five-year wait, memories of the previous fully featured Gran Turismo game have begun to slide into the realm of nostalgia. In reality, Polyphony Digital’s biggest crime is one of inertia; the most infuriating problems here are structural quirks buried deep within the DNA of the series, and as the sheer bulk of content borders on the unmanageable, they simply become harder to forgive."

[OtherWhiteMeat]

Wow...reviewers are pretty unforgiving with this game.Being criticized for to much content is absurd,would they rather pay for it as DLC.Never thought I see the day when reviewers bitch about a game having too many choices.

[M-Easy]

This is nothing new. All PS3 exclusives get nitpicked and overly criticized to death. The general rule is a PS3 exclusive reviewed by edge just add 2 points but in this case I'll make an exception and add 3.

[Dee_91]

lol when ever a review starts off with
" after waiting 5 yearss blah blah blah" crap you already know its getting a low score
if it was a 1 year it would have have been better ? .. it would have been on ps2 actually

[Masamori Sumimura]

Illuminati is lowering GT5's score.

[ryuzu]

Actually, from Edge, this is a decent score. In fact I'd say on balance, Edge have scored it higher than usual :)

I find Edge weird - they have some great articles and up until about 2 years ago, I thought their reviews were generally good (albeit trending lower than other mags - but at least they were consistent). However, the reviewing in Edge now seems to be very inconsistent.

I think I preferred it when they didn't publish scores...

r.

[RedRedSuitSDF]

No they don't. Most PS3 exclusives get great high reviews, and game of the year nominations and win. Look at LBP, Uncharted 2, KZ 2, Infamous.. and so on.

GT isn't the bomb as the kids used to say this time around. Time to just suck it up and have fun with it. If you have a 360, then just get the Definitive racer Forza 3. It's win/win for anyone who loves sim racers.

[Lifendz]

It's the five years. Everything is processed through the prism of "this is all you could do in five years?" There is a bright side to this. These GT5 reviews really showcase which sites are good at their jobs and which aren't as good.

[tplarkin7]

It's called "milking the franchise". It happens to all successful games.

[raztad]

EDITED:

"st PS3 exclusives get great high reviews, and game of the year nominations and win. Look at LBP, Uncharted 2, KZ 2, Infamous.. and so on."

It is not true. KZ2:7 (meta 91), inFAMOUS 7 (meta 86). But even more important is the proven statistical fact that EDGE underscore PS3 exclusives consistently bellow metacritic average, and over-score xboxs.

Now regarding GT5, as someone else said. It was a very predictable score. Kinda high actually, I was expecting a 6. Too much content FTL. Right EDGE? lol

[StanLee]

I'm beginning to think the problem with GT5 for reviewers is that it's just to familiar. The 5 year wait lead to expectations but I don't know what they expected. It's GT, it was always going to play like every other GT game. It's the most refined GT to date so why is that disappointing? Why the unfounded criticism?

[DatNJDom81]

Edge...... no surprise here. Move along.

[VictoriousB13]

Is there a review site that people do trust that gave GT5 an average score? Or do all fanboys just say "move along" to every site that doesn't think GT5 is what it was hyped to be?

[talltony]

To get this game and try not to like it. The truth of the matter is that their really isnt anything wrong with it except maybe the online right now. It is completely playable and I expected not to like GT5 but I do. I really dont look at this game and think its anywhere near a 7 rating. I look at this game and I see a high quality racing game.

[Tr10wn]

Erm i got the game and i don't like it, i win? enjoy your 800+ standards cars. "After 5 YEARS" we get only 200 premium... NICE.

[Perjoss]

i love gt5 but lets not pretend its perfect, because its not.

[talltony]

It's not perfect no game is but their is nothing wrong with it. And if you have it and dnt like it prove it wit ur psn name.
And the standard cars don't even look that bad. They are still cars! Why do you think you should just ignore 800 cars because they are not exactly the same as 200 of them? This game is huge most racing games dnt even have 200 cars.

[Perjoss]

my PSN name is not hidden, you can see it in my profile... its 'Perjoss'

[Christopher]

There's one thing I've noticed with all GT5 reviews, the score is reflective of how long they had to wait for the game and not just on the game itself. It's compared against the high hopes they had for the game, and not for the games that are out there with which it could be compared.

They are still, overall, good scores, but when you see many reviewers say it's better than Forza 3 and then score it lower, that should tell you something.

P.S. Gotta laugh at the few reviews that complain about it being too much of a simulator and not enough of a game.

[RedRedSuitSDF]

Curious if you had any links that many reviewers were saying GT5 is better than Forza 3. I'd like to put those up on my site, in the smackdown portion of the forum.

[PrimordialSoupBase]

Criticised for too much content? I don't know what you're reading but it's stated rather clearly that the problem is the organisation.

[joydestroy]

i just laugh when i see scores like that. i've already poured hours and hours into GT5 and i've stayed up late when i had to wake up early the next morning for work. i can't get enough of it. already level 19 A Spec. i race with the Lambo SuperVeloche now =P
it's crazy fast

there are minor issues with the game, such as menu UI and loading times, as well as some screen tearing and jaggies with shadows, but i wouldn't take away points for those tiny things compared to everything else the game does perfectly.

[joeorc]

EDGE:

But this is a production that feels increasingly aged in the face of modern game design. The creeping and eventually overriding feeling is that this meticulously precise simulation, and its lovingly constructed catalogue of automotive history, deserved a little more game to come along for the ride. [7]

I mean come on,,really

"But this is a production that feels increasingly aged in the face of modern game design."

you know what...

GT series is not any other Racer, its not trying to mimic every freaking racing game..what would be the point if it did?

These reviewers want the GT series to be every freaking Cookie cutter racer that's out there because , what...Some how they see GT is outdated?

that's because they would not know good software when it comes out an bites them right in th @ss.

just my Opinion on the reviewers, just like they review games...EDGE reviewers

7/10

6 of it mostly for being So Snarky.
an an extra point for putting some thought into their Review.

[T9X69]

I think you're missing their point when they said,

"But this is a production that feels increasingly aged in the face of modern game design"

Their not saying the game should be like every other game, they're saying it feels aged because it's the same GT it was back on PS2 and even PS1. Kind of how the COD reviews were, its a good game, but it's the same old COD. Same concept, different game. The series is over 10 years old after all.

[Caffo01]

with the difference being cod gets 9s and 10s and GT5 a 7...anyway i was expecting it, 90% of EDGE scores are 7 LOL

[skrug]

and yet COD gets rated higher than GT5?

[BABY-JEDI]

Trust me. If GT came out just like every other racer ( with a glitzy street cred feel) then they would complain about that. The fact is that GT is a PS3 exclusive & EDGE will make whatever reason they want to Mark it down.
Remember Killzone 3 with 3D = -3 points

[callahan09]

Another bullshit review. This was to be expected from Edge, of course. But I don't understand how this game isn't a perfect score. Yes, the game is not perfect. No game is perfect. I've played thousands of games in my life and this offers the most of any of them, bar none. It is so much fun, it has so much to do, and everybody I know that was anticipating this game is having such a god damn blast with it. None of my GT-loving friends would even consider the notion that this game was a "disappointment" and none of them gives a flying fuck how long it took to make, they simply buy the game, put it in their system, and enjoy what's on that blu-ray disc. There is some kind of serious disconnect here between what CRITICS are looking at and what GAMERS are looking at. Again, the game isn't perfect, but what fucking game is perfect?

[Kastanaras]

"I don't understand how this game isn't a perfect score. Yes, the game is not perfect."

Quite the genius we have here.

[callahan09]

Did you even READ MY COMMENT? I clearly said NO GAME IS PERFECT. But I am saying that if any game deserves the highest marks, it's this one. I'm acknowledging that this doesn't mean it's a perfect game, but I truly believe the game has as much on offer and as much quality and fun to provide as any other game on the market, and thus it deserves an equally high score as the highest rated games out there. I made it quite clear that a perfect score is not resigned only for perfect games, because then there would BE no perfect scores, as there are no perfect games. My point was, that the little imperfections in this game are getting it docked unnecessarily, whereas often bigger imperfections in other games don't seem to have nearly as much of a negative impact on the reviewers' view of the game.

Edit: Again... A perfect score is not relegated only for perfect games, because then no game would score perfectly. And if no game can score perfectly, then wouldn't that have the implied effect of the second-highest score being the maximum score, thus the perfect score? When you try to say that the highest score is only for perfect things, when perfection doesn't exist, then you get yourself into that situation where next-to-perfect is perfect, and then you create paradox. A perfect score does not mean a perfect game.

[xg-ei8ht]

I still have the edge edition magazine that gave GT a 10/10

The game always feels like there is something to do it in,lol.

I can't say the same for alot of games, unless they are all online ones.

PS3 games do get hacked to death.

Shame.

What next PS3 exclusive will get attacked. KILLZONE3,LBP2?

[TheMART]

So So wrong and I can show you why.

LittleBigPlanet 1 Edge review:

"But LittleBigPlanet is all about changing your perspective. Just weeks after a limited preview release, this game has exploded, surely, beyond both its projections and its initial code. Even, actually, beyond the conventions of the average review. It’s a multiplayer riot, a visual landmark, a feat of engineering, and one of the most charming games ever made. But even those accolades are dwarfed by its scope, its potential, and the apparent endlessness of them both. What’s more, it sees the pariah of this generation, Sony, publishing at the height of its powers. Not since the early days of PlayStation has that troubled brand stood for – and fostered – such a daring, transcendent, magnificent piece of work.

10/10"

http://www.next-gen.biz/fea...

I guess that great game didn't get hacked to death as another PS3 game eh?

So... Stop the crying PS3 fanboys. EDGE are just not giving out 9's and 10's for quantity, they review quality and finished games, they get points of for demo status that GT5PII has.

[Neckbear]

So, because they don't like your oh-so-dear exclusive, it's nipticking and media bias against the PS3?

Did it even cross your mind that alot of flaws can reduce a score? Perhaps that's why the score is low, because the game is flawed?

Jesus christ.

[wissam]

They are trying to make the game look like utter trash. and yes it has flaws so as all the games.

[Weaksauce1138]

They are just saying that it is entirely likely for someone to think it's a 7 game in this universe without it being a full blown anti PS3 conspiracy.

[coldfoot]

GT5 may not be a perfect game, but 7/10 is harsh.
Then again, it's in line with what's to be expected from Edge and their statistically confirmed bias against PS3 exclusives. Here's the analysis I did months ago:
http://edgevsmeta.blogspot....

[The Meerkat]

That was a cool read.

Must be they prefer the 360 controller.

or.....Shhh...(whisper)..mone y changed hands.

[M-Easy]

Dude great article. Its proof to what everyone knows. + Bubbles

[PeZuS]

Most predictable 7/10 ever...

[Corrwin]

Since they only review PS3 games on a 1-7 (note Edge do not say out of what they score) scale, this is impressive!

[nix]

lol.. but true.

[Dude_]

Just in case anyone forgot
7/10 might be harsh, but unlike N4G users, Edge are articulate enough to justify their points.
Then again, it's in line with what's to be expected from N4G and their statistically confirmed bias against reviewers that don't give 9+ ratings to every PS3 game.

N4G.. no surprise here.

@joerc

Cry more please. It has everything to do with insecure fanboys and their inability to acknowledge any opinions different from the likes of PSLS. Your 'Yeah, well FU!' reply demonstrates that perfectly. keep proving my points. oh, and if anything, Edge are known for awarding innovative games with high marks. LBP, Ico, Demon's Souls are good examples.

[blackburn5]

Think you could have been a little less predictable EDGE?

[Ponurasky]

Well, well. Now that's a surprise! *wink*

A longly anticipated PS3 exclusive that really delivers, and of course it must be bashed in EDGE. How ever I think they score it too high. 7/10?? Come'on EDGE, respect yourself!!! You are supposed to be pure PS3hate, and GT5 should be scored 5/10. Because it's too big, too difficult, too pretty, and too awesome, for you. Think again!

[HelghastDrake]

Like i said before, from now on when sony sends out review copies they need to put 360 disc art and send them in 360 cases. That would guarantee 9s and 10s.

Gaming journalism is such a utter joke these days. Im so glad GT5 is selling good. I hope it sends a message to all these "Journalists" that there reviews dont mean a damn thing.

[ExPresident]

All I know is I'm not a racing fan and I'm sold on GT5. I'm enjoying every minute of it.

Oh and the argument that it has to much crap is f'ing retarded.

[ExPresident]

LMAO at the disagree's?

[Sikct9a]

7 or not, it's still the best racing game out there. That's my opinion :)

[joeorc]

@Dude111

it has nothing to do with the score you nimrod.

it has to do with the reviewers and gamers today trying to change GT series into something that is no longer unique. this cookie cutter attitude is what is killing the whole idea of game theory or design in my opinion.

they want to change GT into something they think it should be not what it is..that's like going to an artist and say no your color's off in this slight corner..when the critic himself had nothing to do with the creation of the work.

that's the problem..these reviewr's have it in their head to grade a game based on another person's vision on how a game is designed..which is stupid..yea lets kill creativity of the person creating the content.

I have asked when was the last time any of these reviewers or pretty much many gamers sat down played the game without trying to nit pick everything about a game instead of just enjoying the game for what it is.?

@T9X69

an no im not missing the point, why bring up outdated game development when you an i know d@mn well what they are refering to..they are not talking about that GT's game design theory is out dated, no what they are talking about is like this claim:

EDGE:

"Usability isn’t the priority here, and the biggest casualty is the much-anticipated online mode, which is mired by design that insists on running counter to the established norms."

what establish norms ..huh

what would that be FORZA 3, NFS, Burnout...etc.

that's my problem why are you trying to establish something as standard when's it's based on creative works. that's like going to a sculpter and saying your not using the most upto day red clay that everyone else is using..you clay is much older.

reviewers are quite pompous and it seems they have people with no intention of even getting the game anyway rooting them on.

[The Lazy One]

established norms like simple and streamlined menus with an online component that is simple and both usable competitively across the community as well as between friends.

They aren't saying they need to remove the GTness of GT. Just that it's missing a lot of things in the execution that are pretty much standard in games today.

[alb1899]

The best racing game a 7?.....wooow!

[wissam]

According to people how played it. not according to the bs reviews.

[wenaldy]

Doesn't affect much my temptation for getting this game... I'll get it in mid-december...

[BeaArthur]

People get so worked up over the dumbest sh!t. Most of you clearly expected Edge to give it a bad/average score but yet here you are complaining about it. Who cares, it's not going to effect your enjoyment of the game. Quit crying and move on.

[Optical_Matrix]

Guys just enjoy the damn game XD seriously

[monkeyfox]

I love this game. Its beautiful. The physics are the best i have ever witnessed in a racer and the graphics (bar some issues with shadows and trees etc) are stunning - Check out the 1967 Ferrari 330 in the "attract mode" replay, it really is a sight to behold. Honestly though, i wouldve thought more of Edge, they always loved the GT series. Im loosing faith in these guys more and more recently (Rockband 3 10/10 anyone) Awwww fkit, I love this game, its just a shame people with way too many expectations and no patience are the ones writing about it in the press..

And the reason so many of us are getting pi$$ed off with these negative reviews is that WE are playing it and loving it - Its just a shame to see that so many people are attacking it for such minor things. "The tree textures look $hit" - Its a racing game who gives a $hit about trees!!

[N4g_null]

What is sad is these same attacks where used on other games. All of the negativity is coming home.

[Simco876]

Must we forget that all entertainment has reviews?

Do you go see a movie because some dude that works for a newspaper gave it a A+? You go see a movie because you think... wow, that movie looks good!

Quit putting so much weight on these people's views on games. Try them out for yourself! That's what GameFly is for (Or dying Blockbuster)

[smash1031]

Well said. I'm glad I rented this game and didn't buy it. It went back after 2 days.

[joeorc]

@The Lazy One

based on who's norm..the industry?

what a freaking joke..the industry is made up of games created by developer's which is created art, there is not "standards" this is not even factual, it is all opinion based. its based on people's opinion!

how can you have a standard, where all games are not the same..i mean a menu really?

the idea of a game created menu standard is based on what an who's idea's what or how that standard is applied?

why don't we all base all the game's on the same menu system! huh? really? yea that would work out so much the better...I like my games that are unique...

example KZ2

BUT IT'S CONTROL'S ARE SO SLOW, WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW . for KILLZONE 3?

yea freaking babies...Many gamer's today want the same cookie cutting in every fraking game..and the Reviewers are right there telling them what games are good and what they think is crap.

instead of thinking for themselves they let other's think for them..freaking organic robots.

[callahan09]

It seems to me that the hate for GT5 on N4G is hitting maximum. I mean at this point the fans who have bought the game and are loving it to death aren't allowed to question the critics who are obviously nit-picking this game like we've never seen before without getting disagrees upon disagrees from the haters who want nothing more than for this game to be awful so they can feel better about... about what exactly? What the hell kind of gamer WANTS a game to be bad. Have some respect for the developers who put their time and efforts and talents into this. Have some respect for yourself as someone who apparantly enjoys gaming to go out there and appreciate every good game you can get. There's just no reason for hate. The game isn't perfect, and anybody that expected it to be is frankly an idiot. But it is incredibly fun, addictive, and loaded with a plethora of content that is (and I mean this *literally*) impossible to see the entirety of (the millions of possibilities for custom courses alone makes this statement truthful). I just don't get it. The standards on this game as far as criticism goes are so far out of this world, it's unprecedented.

The nit-picking reminds me of that Christopher Walken SNL skit about the Blue Oyster Cult recording "Don't Fear The Reaper." The dude is going nuts for more cowbell. Like the cowbell is this great, significant, important part of the song, and no matter how awesome everyone else is playing, it's not good enough because there's not enough cowbell. Well, the joke is, the cowboy doesn't effing matter! The song would be just as good without the damn cowbell, but this guy can't focus on the catchy tune and the quality musicianship of the rest of the band, he can only focus on that stupid little cowbell. He's blinded to the rest of what's going on in that recording studio. He can only focus on that auxiliary, basically worthless cowbell in the background of it all.

The critics of GT5 just gotta have more cowbell! It doesn't matter that everything it does is done to a degree we've never seen before in terms of not only quality racing but quantity, too. Nope. They want more cowbell.

[The Lazy One]

you're all getting disagrees because you're all wearing goggles. The game plays ok, but you can't completely ignore its faults. Faults that it shouldn't have for being in development almost twice as long as it's closest competitor which was released a year earlier.

There isn't some media conspiracy against it. Deal with it.

The media widely acknowledges it as a beautiful game that races great, but there's a lot more to a gameplay experience than just how the game plays. Some of the most significant reasons I liked halo 2 had nothing to do with the gameplay. It took me 30 seconds from turning my console on to the start of a multiplayer match with people of similar skill level, the menu (iirc) started you at the multiplayer tab because that is where you spent the majority of your time facilitating the short start times allowing me to play a game of halo when I had 10 minutes to spare instead of thinking, "well I'll be late."

These tiny things dramatically affect the user experience. It's a big part of the reason facebook overtook myspace, or google ended up becoming a bigger search engine than MSN/Yahoo/Alta Vista/ask jeeves/whatever.

i understand that in the world of design/art people want to keep their identity, but while there are an infinite number of right/good design choices, that doesn't mean that EVERY design choice is good.

[Lord Kesselroy]

Even so, and as a stoic XBOT, I will confess that Gran Turismo 5 is a great game and lots of fun to play.

Many of the issues they point out can be patched over time. So while I love my Forza 3 racing, there is absolutely no reason why I cannot also love playing Gran Turismo 5.

[guitar_nerd_23]

why are people complaining about the score

a 7/10 is really rather good from edge i thought, they are one of the few publications that stick to proper use of the 0-10 rating system

[Big_Dom]

Exactly correct.

[coldfoot]

Yeah and we all know ODST was a 9/10 game as rated by EDGE, right?

/s

[BABY-JEDI]

Exactly correct

[joeorc]

you are telling it like it is man, this is not just about GT5 , it's about many of the gamer's today seem to let the media tell them what is good or bad, instead of playing the games for themselves..you know when i was growing up in the 70's we played games just for the enjoyment of them, hey the mechanic's may be outdated by today's standards..see there it is, what standard's?

there is none..this entire industry was built on as a "hobby" people did this for fun, it was not even an industry!

do people not even get that! one only has to look at guy's like eddie fries leaving Microsoft after 18 year's there who even helped create the xbox project you know the direct X box game machine...the point is he even stated that he felt that it become more than what the design team made the higher up's changed the direction on how they thought it should be not what is was.

that's the problem...the people that had not even cared for the idea in the first place decided to take out of the care and direction away from the people that made it in the first place..now ed is no longer @ Microsoft...does'nt that tell you something about the industry as a whole?

the people creating the work are the one's being slammed for their IDEA, because someone who has not direct creative imput in the team thinks they could do a better job.

It seems gamers have lost the will to play games just for the enjoyment of playing each game as it was intended, not what some other game has in it.

the game industry should not even be an industry, it was a Hobby that turned into a industry and has in my opinion suffered for it..like people not willing to play a game based on someone else's opinion on a game!

I my self play a game based on having the experience atleast if i did not like it i still experienced the game, and besides there is so many games that i cannot even get to them all anyway.

[Lord Kesselroy]

@joeorc

Kudos to you!

I totally agree with your opinion. Let me give you an example. Rogue Warrior. According to reviews, the game sucks. Yet everywhere compares everything now to Call of Duty, so in that regard, it will score very low. But the game is fun to play, over the top and uses virtually the same control scheme as any other modern day shooter. And the game can be had for like $10 if you look around. Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard and 50 Cent Blood on the Sand are all good games, not great games, but good games. And you can pick them up for next to nothing now. Yet no one will touch them because they don't get 10/10 scores because they are not Call of Duty or Medal of Honor.

I will disagree with you on the "industry" part. This has always been an industry. And the people that make game now do it for the love of making games, why else would they work 80 weeks under crushing deadlines and criticism of their work? It has always been an industry. The notion that back in the "good old days" that developers did it only for the love and not the money is TOTALLY incorrect. I totally believe in paying people for their work.

[SuperStrokey1123]

LOL edge giving a PS3 exclusive a 7? Seriously are they trying to do this every time?

[edoman20]

Nothing new here, retardEDGE bussiness as usual

But its really good that most of the poeple dont give a sh1t about the reviews and have bougth the game

[JonnyBigBoss]

GT5 is undoubtedly my Game of the Year. Obviously I don't share the same interests as many of these websites. I came in wanting a racing simulator because I love cars. Are these sites going in expecting explosions?

I love the UI and the load times are fine. No idea why that's an issue...

[guitar_nerd_23]

ill see your gran turismo and raise you a god of war 3 :P

dammit i forgot abut mass effect 2 and mario galaxy errrr cant decide loadsa great games this year!

[Lord Kesselroy]

We definitely don't want that Mario trash on the PS3 or the 360. Casual gamers and endless motion shovelware are upon us now. Let's keep the Donkey Kong/Mario/Zelda crap off the adult/serious/hardcore/mature consoles please.

"Itza a Me! Welcome to Kratos Kart!"

[GuruStarr78]

this score is about right. a 7/10 is 20% above "average" which is where I'd agree this game sits.

[Big_Dom]

Anyone complaining or moaning about Edge just hasn't been a gamer long enough to know the magazine and it's policy. 15 years or so ago, I remember reading Edge simply because a game got a fair and strict review in it. There was no bullshit. If a game had flaws, they'd expose it and that reflected in their scores. If a game got a good score in that magazine, I knew it was good and that I could trust it. It's also interesting the amount of moaners on here, and other places, that see a score like this given to a game that's been in development for roughly 6 years (6 years, people. That is an entire cycle for a generation usually)yet, when it contains this many game design flaws after that time, and Edge exposes this and gives it a fair score to reflect, they bitch and say "yeah, well it's Edge, isn't it! Move along" like their opinion isn't a valid one because they were sucked into the hype and automatically thought it was a 10/10 game. No game is a 10/10. Thank the slack and unprofessional modern gaming journalism for starting that trend, and to be honest, it's blatantly tarnishing expectations within the industry these days. This doesn't just happen for Edge. It happens for every game that is spun to be the next best thing whenever a magazine gives a score of 8 or below. It's the same bollocks "oh, it's just such and such. They can't review for shit." Well, all I can say is thank God that experienced gamers know better and thank God that no one bitching about such scores are allowed to review games. I fear for gaming journalism within the next 5-10 years. It's going to be a joke anyway because this generation of gamers have been weaned of the hype wagon and the 10/10 or nothing else will do brigade.

To highlight and prove some of my points, within 5 seconds of posting my post, I hit refresh and see a disagree there. Now, to the genius whoever that was, you can fucking read fast, fella! 5 seconds to read all that then judge? Bravo! Wanker!

[SuperStrokey1123]

The only issue is that Edge isnt fair, reviews have an obvious tilt to them (people have crunched the numbers before) and edge doesnt justify themselves when they should. Edge is hardly the holy grail of gaming reviews you claim it is.

[Big_Dom]

Who said it was the holy grail? In the 15 years or so (have you read it that far back) that I've known it, they've been fairly consistent in their ways. That counts for something, instead of just lavishing 10/10 scores without whim because the exclusing gaming fanbase demands it.

[SuperStrokey1123]

I shouldnt have put words into your mouth about the holy grail, that was unfair, i also wasnt the disagree (even though i do).

My point is that edge is consistantly unfair in how the judge games on each system. Sure one off differences are fine, no one should expect everyone to feel the same about games, that would be unreasonable.

When its can be shown repeatably on many other games (like i said people have crunched the numbers shown an obvious bias) then i say we have a problem. If they rated all games systems on the same scale i would agree but the fact is that they dont. The scale gets much more grey and lopsided when a system other than the ps3 is involved.

If you like their reviews, thats good for you and really i cant say anything about that. I actually have the first "edge" magazine with virtual fighter on the cover (wasnt called edge at the time) its was printed on some awesome paper.

Im an experienced gamer too (since the 2600) and i can easily spot webpages that have an obvious bias which is what edge is.

[guitar_nerd_23]

i dont quite understand how the bubble system works but i just tried to give you one for the reason of "well said"

edit: thats at big dom btw

[Lord Kesselroy]

@Big_Dom

Publishers will appy pressure to everyone, including blog sites, to get the review that they are looking for. Withholding review copies from sites/magazines that are considered "non-friendly" or "blacklisted".

N4G.com needs to remove the bubble & rating system. It is totally abused by the fanboys who could read you stating that the world is round, yet they hate you and mark disagree endlessly. The system is pointless and plays right into the hands of fanboys on both sides of the console war.

[R_aVe_N]

Who cares really what the review says. The only thing that matters is what you as the gamer thinks of it. If you love it good for you. If you hate it oh well maybe next time. Just play the damn game and stfu. IGN, Edge, etc are just opinions and not good ones that that. THEY GET PAID TO PLAY GAMES! You as the consumer is all that matters.

[Master of Unlocking]

I have issue #218 (sept 2010)of that Edge magazine before my eyes right now. No, I didn't buy it, someone got it for free and brought it to me, thinking I may be interested in it, knowing I love VGs.

It has a nice front page with kinect and a big, proud headline that goes: "Microsoft's vision of the future", written in green. Heck, even the "Edge" title is in a shiny green.
Starting from page 68, then, we have a big preview of kinect and, along with a big, bold "MOVE OVER" main headline, we have the following right below: "How kinect aims to change games for ever, for everyone"

Now, I'm willing to turn a blind eye on the fact they make their cover with kinect, since it was just released by the time that issue came out. I can also turn a blind eye on their mini-reviews of games like "kinect joy ride", which inform us that "the comfort and sensitivity of joy ride's bread-and-butter controls are its real surprise", nevermind that we all saw here on N4G a few days ago just how "sensitive" that game is, lol

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

But, there's one thing I'd like to understand: since they're apparently so caught in M$'s hype that they manage to be seemingly very happy to claim that kinect is going to "change games forever, for everyone", while we all know the intrinsic limits of that device forbid games that consist in anything other than puddle-shallow mini-games which can barely retain the attention of 5-year olds for more than 2 minutes, and seeing the (expectedly) scandalously low score that they award to Gran Turismo 5, arguably the best-looking racing simulator ever, 1080p/60fps, that comes on a Blu-Ray Disk crammed to the <<Edge>> with so much content that it would take any normally active person years-worth of playing it to explore it all; then, could the peeps at edge tell us where, on God's green earth, do they want Gaming to move? In which direction exactly?

DO THOSE GUYS ACTUALLY EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THEY ARE TRUE GAMERS WHO CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE GAMING INDUSTRY WHEN THEY CAN'T HELP BUT SING THE PRAISE OF A GLORIFIED EYETOY THAT COMES WITH THE LESS COMPREHENSIVE COLLECTION OF SHOVELWARE EVER ON ONE HAND, AND MARK DOWN A HARDCORE GAME LIKE GRAN TURISMO 5 WHICH HAS ENOUGH CONTENT TO KEEP GOD HIMSELF BUSY AND HAPPY FOR THE REST OF HIS REIGN ON THE OTHER??!!!

Damn, end of rant. Need to go to the toilets :p
Paper, paper...

*tears pages off edge magazine*

[Lord Kesselroy]

@Master of Unlocking

Well, at least you're not a Sony fanboy, right?

And what about these PS Move shovelware games like:

Start the Party
Beat Sketcher
TV Superstars
Kung Fu Rider
The Shoot

PS Move does not innovate. It only improves upon Nintendo's original idea. Kinect innovates.

Watch the dork video with the PlayStation Move.

[lowcarb]

It must suck to be a developer these days. Put your life aside to make money and people happy only to be spit on by critics. Form your own opinion folks!

[Master of Unlocking]

Disagrees already? That's right, keep clicking the disagree button like maniacs, xbugs, you're all clicking on it with all the more frenziness that you know darn well I'm right.

And I invite each self-respecting gamer to click the "Show" button next to the inevitable "Off topic", or "Trolling" flag that's going to appear in place of my previous comment when the xbugs' rampage is done, to judge for themselves whether I'm actually "trolling", or if I'm bringing up a valid point.

edit: Oh and, by the way, down to 2 bubbles already, thanks to all the trolls that keep invading all the PS3 threads. Cheers! And cheers to the mods of this site, while I'm at it! You know that insane smear campaign aimed at true gamers and the company that represents them would never have been possible without you guys! Cheers!

[John Kratos]

Wow you people just need to chill the fuck out about this whole thing.

[BABY-JEDI]

I've been a gamer for several years. I appreciate a good game period. What I DON'T like is impartial reviews or reviews from so called journalists who keep on botching about the arrogance of Sony. I also used to read EDGE. I found some of their articles interesting on the industry, but however the Sony hate just got too much. The the Killzone2 review was the last hateful straw. EDGE has NO impartiality. I'm a gamer & I support good games from Microsoft, Nintendo & Sony, but I don't support a bunch of so called journalistic pr*cks.

[mayberry]

I do read reviews of games i'm interested in. gt5 is one of the reasons I bought my 60g around launch. I waited for the ps3 after the 360 came out to compare them and as a gt fan from day one(also metal gear fan)my mind was made up for which system I would get,and if people remember when the 360 launched, it had alot of poor titles, same as the ps3 did at launch, but the ps3 got lambasted for it, while hardly nothing was said about the 360's launch games being slightly above xbox 1 games!
After playing awesome,and dare I say"mind blowing" ps3 exclusives these years,(lbp, gow, mgs4, etc..),I finally have GT5! All I can say is, WORTH THE WAIT!
I'm 44 years old and my mom bought us the magnavox odyssey from the only store that sold them(sears), back in 1978 i think. Been gaming ever since!
gt5 makes me feel like an EVENT is about to take place everytime I load it up! I am a grown ass man that literally smiles ear to ear when I race on this sim! Yes, it has flaws, few games don,t! But from a sim lover/game player's standpoint, I am in NIRVANA!
BTW, I know this is not for everyone! but to give this title a score below an 8 is, imho, clearly searching for reasons to do so.