Eurogamer Portugal published an video comparing the AI of the two games. Who is more dumb?
Probably those making these Ai comparison videos...
The hilarious part is that these Forza advocates are actually starting to believe in the delusion that Forza is on par with Gran Turismo series. It's not. And it never will be.
AI Fail in Forza 3
@Longrod_Von_Hugendon Really, now? Here are the scores from the last two full games Metacritic: Forza 2 : 90 Forza 3 : 92 Gran Turismo 4 : 89 Gran Turismo 5 : 86 The only one delusional here, is you.
@dem0n This is N4G, GT5 is B3YOND everything here, even if is not true, giving the fact that Forza 3 have 400 cars with DLC all of them with damage, interiors, customization and "COUGH" graphics. Still with the facts which are all real nothing is worthy enough for the mighty 200p/800s of GT5! "Quantity over Quality"
Hahahahaha, forza cars have graphics, hahahahaha, forza cars are on par with standard gt5 cars.
Screw the AI. Why do there seem to be so many more cars in GT5? That last video showed ten cars to three.
I am someone who can respect BOTH games for what they offer. Why is it so hard for a GT fan to accept there are Forza fans and vice versa. BOTH games are impressive and yet still only scratch the surface of delivering the real experience of driving at speeds in excess of 100mph. Speed...that sensation that just has to be felt to be realized.
lokiroo420 "forza cars are on par with standard gt5 cars." Perhaps you need glasses if you believe that BS. Forza cars don't look as good as the Premium GT models, but they are certainly way above the low res garbage that is standard cars ported over from GT4.
I think the cars did a good job at managing to drive around your car after colliding in GT5. @dem0n: Metacritic counts scores from anonymous sources and even sites like EDGE. I see you guys like to use certain things when convenient. Like it or not, Forza will NEVER be bigger and reach the greatness of GT.
@ ShinGino Just as you choose to ignore "certain things when convenient".
@Longrod_Von_Hugendon Does "delusional" mean "someone who likes the better game" to you? Because Forza proved to be the better game, so you're right about it not being "on par", because it's better.
If its from Eurogamer, Digital Foundry, VGCrapz, IGN, Gamespot, or any gaming website on Microsoft's payroll ....never mind their articles they are complete waste of time!!!
Clearly, everyone must be paid off with Halo swag!!! How dare they not like the perfection that is GT5???!!11
ShinGino I'm just stating the general consensus. The majority of reviewers think the Forza series is very much on par with the GT series. I presented an average of scores, nothing more.
@Dem0n It's incredible that even when you just post the metacritic scores that show Forza to have better reviews than GT you have 100% more 'disagree's than 'agree's. Come on fanboys, you can't disagree with him for printing a (easily checkable) statistic! What the hell is wrong with you? Also what that video shows is that both games appear to have slightly retarded AI but only in a very rare situation. I'd like to see more comparisons of the racing AI- where and how do they pass each other, do they make mistakes etc.
You guys take scores too seriously. I've played better games than those that "scored" higher.
>published an video >published an FFFUUUUUUUU For the record I still think GRID has the best opponent AI.
Dang, you nailed it. :D
Anyone else know how to get Forza 3 to play across 3 monitors? It has settings in the menu but I can't find out what hardware adapters I need for my my monitors to get it to work.. EDIT- never mind. You have to own 3 copies of the game and 3 xbox 360s. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
I like how the AI Comparison mix with 3 copy of forza and 3 xbox. Congrats on your very off topic contribution. EDIT- now that we are off topic, add me on PSN "Sanadar" so we can grind those wall with those awesome 800 standards cars :)
GT5 is getting so much attention, everybody is talking about it...who needs advertising eh :D
it's like asking what retarded kid is smarter... AI in racing has not even come close to reaching a level that is exceptible
::cough:: acceptable ::cough::
Saying something is retarded and having a blatant misspelling (not simply a typo) is pretty ironic.
Just face Forza fans. GT5 is better. IT'S The Real Driving Simulator
Which is why it has no sort of visual customization, much less the absurdly deep visual customization of Forza, or the enormous online component that again Forza has? Metacritic and Gamerankings scores don't lie.
the ai cars reverse in gt5, didnt see that in forza.
actually it did in forza at 1:06, why don't you look at it closer. The yellow try to back up, but other cars are just right behind it.
GT5 had a huge pile up at the end :D
because it could handle enough cars on the track to cause a "pile up"
Forza 3 AI = big FAIL!
as both demonstrated errors. The difference is that one is handling 16 cars and the other just 8. The difference in the quality of effects is apparent as well. While skidding tires in GT5 generated puffs of tire smoke that gently wafted away with the direction of the breeze, Forza 3 is sterile, artificial, and static. Even at low resolution, GT5's vastly superior lighting and car models is apparent. It's amazing to think that GT5 not only looks better, reacts more realistically, and handles twice as many AI cars, but also renders at 50% better resolution.
The cars look GREAT. The track side environments, road textures, trees, curbs on the other hand....not so good. Just compare Laguna Seca on both games, GT5 can't match Forza's environments. Cars look amazing though.
lmao 1st comment
Funny how no one had problems comparing videos of Forza 3 to GT5 pictures and vids and GTP demo. Now it is an issue? If you don't care why bother commenting on it.
mr marbles, you know what they got it!!! you can talk about all the screen tearing, bad shadows and what not but you know what it is 1080P. and whatever you're complaining about is going to affect only 2% of the whole game play.
@Mr. Marbles "Sony always chooses what is best for them over what is best for the customer." Lol. Kinect and 500 million Ad budget (but no new IPs or exclusives) says hi. 60$ a year for Live says hi. Valve forbidden to release free DLC on 360 b/c microsoft didnt let them says hi. Sony is 10x more consumer friendly than MS. Get over yourself. And tbh that is the only reason why i never even considered xbox. MS are greedy assholes and couldnt give a rats ass about gamers.
im not gonna say sony loves its consumer or anything like that all im gonna say is MS does not respect or care about its consumer at all in anything they do. You can't be that young to not know MS business practices and claim to fames? I mean i thought it was pretty public knowledge that MS is about as dirty and schity of a company as it gets. Sure i love my xbox and windows 7 that does not take away from my point.
Again? AUGHGHHG. How many more Forza 3 vs GT5 articles are we going to see? Oh please, Decemeber 11th, come quickly. For the love of all that is sane ...
What is happening on December 11th?
GT5 outsells the entire forza franchise combined on Dec 11th
It already outsold forza 3, and that's been out for a year :L
GT5 outsold forza in a week. Forza has been out for a year. There are 52 weeks in a year. So GT5 is selling 52 for every 1 copy Forza 3 sales? LMFAO!!!
GT5 will be generations better than Forza since XBox fans use sales as a barometer for greatness. You'll see, the AI won't even matter.
Sales mean something to everyone. 4mil Move's sold, GT5 moves 2.4mil units in first 4 days, 120mil PS2's sold. Don't act like all fanboys don't use sales. Since GT5 has been falling well short of the hype I've seen the sales argument used all over.
I'd rather compare features. But if we did that, Forza wouldn't come close. So let's stick to Metacritic for now. That's about the only place that Forza matters right now.
Sales and metacritic ratings, even thought we've all agreed countless times that review scores don't really count for much.
Why is it so important to compare AI driving the opposite way?
i guess you don't see what they're trying to do. he places the car in the racing line to see what the AI will do in that situation. the only reason he's facing the wrong way was to show the incoming cars.
I know what they was doing. I just don't see the importance of it. Just play the games like they are supposed to be played. That's all I'm saying. These comparisons bring in hits so of course they will keep doing them.
GT5 is the flavor of the month, in two weeks it might be hard to find a GT5 article.
To see if the AI actually avoids crashing in the the stopped vehicle. It is one way of showing how smart the AI is on the track. How the AI runs on racing line. GT has costantly had issues with this in the series.
its not the cars reversing that being looked at, its the AI cars going round the right way and to see if they recognise the reversing cars to avoid them.
But that would never happen in a race :S Why would you go backwards? A better harder test would be if you were driving in a straight line and hit the brake while looking back to see how the AI reacts/overtakes you.
Not a good comparison, though. Breaking AI to slow down and go around cars is removed so that players can't abuse this type of AI concept. It would be easy to cause bottlenecks to prevent a car from passing you if they implemented it, where all you have to do is stay ahead and slam on the breaks at the right moment. Sometimes games don't go as intelligent as possible because doing so opens the door to some major methods to abuse the AI programming.
"GT5 will sell 12 million lifetime and will outsell all on x360" LOL
i love how all the "AI tests" feature you doing one thing you'll never do when actually playing the game... Sitting facing the wrong way on the track waiting on oncoming traffic.
Absolutely (btw. Hi^^) Makes little sense. It WOULD make sense in a game like Burnout or even GTA, but not much in a racing game.
What if you're in first place, leading the pack, and you spin out on a turn and end up facing 15 incoming cars? Has that never happened to anyone while playing the game? Yeah, thought so... So would you like a huge pileup or the AI to actually pass by?
First of all. If you analyze the video correctly, you'll notice GT5 AI is superior. Why ?? I'll explain. There are 2 similar ocasions going on. In Forza's case, when the car blocks the passage, all the other cars forms a straight line and they all get stucked, one behind the other. In GT5 when the car blocks the passage, the other cars searchs for solutions to get across it, and they actually do, even if struggling. Very simple.
there seemed to be different situations where both fucked up similarly. There were parts where the forza one did as you said and others where the GT5 cars did what you said the forza ones did. In the end they were both really stupid.
@Kastanaras, down there: If you think the cars on Forza really "dodged" then you are really naive my friend. They were simply out of the line from the blocking car. I could position that car in a place that all of them would bump into it, and form that straight line again. Watch again and pay attention. GT5 AI is simply more intelligent. Whenever GT5 cars bump into a blockade they react to get across it. The same cannot be said about Forza. When Forza cars bump into a blockade they become lost.
They look the same. Stop making these shit comparisons for God sake
Looking at the whole video it seems the AI in GT5 shore has a harder time getting around a car blocking the track. GT5 is still a great game but it still has issues with AI which people think bringing up automatically makes your a Forza/Xbox fanboy. How about I bring up faults so they can be fixed as I payed $60 for a game I want to be the best that it can be.
You saw a different video than me then. The car even goes reverse and back track in GT5 to get across the blocking car, while in Forza they all form a straight line, and one get stucked behind the other... oO Wtf have you watched ??
How about the last minute of the video where all the AI in GT5 just ram into the car on track where the Forza AI actually make an attempt to avoid the car.
lol So apparently N4G is being controlled by PS3 fanboys and PS3 loving moderators eh? This place is a fucking joke.
GT5 will sell like 6 millions........ i think it wont pass Reach.