M2G Writes: Even though it goes against the nature of Kinect, we feel that by combining Kinect with a controller, all of a sudden you would not only be able to play existing games, but you could also greatly enhance them.
its for the casuals.. if ms do announce a physical controller with buttons kinect for many will truly be deemed a failure in its 'you are the controller' marketing and further cement ms's route of following the sony blueprint of ...a camera device enhanced by a physical controller the fail articles and ms suckered you into a fake dream articles would actually be too much to bear. but what would be funny is the amount of fanboys who dissed 'move' would actually look like the biggest pricks on the planet.
There is nothing wrong with adding a controller. Kinect is still able to track your entire body. Combined with a simple controller, nothing would stop them from producing core games.
its like saying here we have an electric car that greatly helps the environment and thats its unique selling point,but because its to slow lets add a petrol/gas engine to the car so it can keep up with the other cars....thus its unique selling point (which lets remind ourselves is microsofts actual slogan for kinect,its on t-shirts,hats,commercials) was a load of bull...
'You are the controller' is the launch tagline. Obviously, there is no additional controller planned at the moment. To draw a tagline comparison: how true is 'It only does everything'? It's marketing, no need to get hung up on that.
my point is greenburg has actually himself said that move is nothing that hasnt been done before,but kinect is reaching a whole new demographic because it ditches controllers altogether. greenburg has said this himself, so now if he includes a controller for kinect is that not being a hypocrite? like when he stated HDMI is not needed only to include it? greenburg to me trash talks the competition but the item he trashes always seems to be secretly on his wish list. but ct03 you made a good point with the sony slogan bubbles up my friend
When you add a controller to the mix you also remove your arms. How would you move them if you are holding a controller? That is of course unless they added one handed controllers.
Gees dude, bitter much? Did anybody mention a new controller? Nope. In fact microsoft said right from the start that kinect would have HYBRID games with the REGULAR 360 PAD. So quit getting your knickers in a bunch. "oh no, but but but you're the controller..." Let me ask you something, when hybrid games come around, will games like kinectimals, dance central, kinect adventures and the many other current and forthcoming kinect-only games where you ARE the controller cease to exist? No. Just because you're the controller doesn't mean you're not allowed to use a controller. This is where microsoft succeeds, they know how to market to the casual crowd. The casual crowd doesn't need to know that hybrid games such as ghost recon will feature hand gestures and voice commands. Throwing grenades and opening doors ect. So that little logic/rant fails. Just because kinect can do controller-less gaming, doesn't mean it isn't allowed to do anything else
@ unomoment0 A hybridize game for kincet wouldn't work if it's like a fps because Microsoft never demonstrated it,only way I see it is leaning in and out of cover ,voice command or some way to interact with cut scenes, my opinion on implementation in a fps genre seems like kinects potential wouldn't be fully used.
I don't see them using a controller to be honest. Microsoft is very adaptable when they want to be, but they are also very headstrong: for example, they didn't add blu-ray when games are screaming for it; so I can't see them giving in for buttons unless kinect is really bad for games.
but what would be funny is the amount of fanboys who dissed 'move' would actually look like the biggest pricks on the planet. I thought they are anyway?
If it adds a controller it will be nothing more than a very expensive alternative to MOVE so wont happen.
I'm sure you have a bright future ahead of you.. On topic.. Anybody whose had a pulse watched the Kinect 'hardcore' argument develop out of thin air.. An argument that NEVER mattered during all those Wii days.. I own over 100+ 360 games and I game on live with some of the most hardcore 360 gaming freaks out there.. But as I look over my friends list I see Kinect Sports in their games list.. Why? Gamers play games..internet haters simply whine on the internet.. Bottomline..Halo..Call of Duty..Gears..Fable..etc..the most successful games for the 'hardcore' 360 gamers Everyone of those games will NEVER need Kinect.. And no matter how deaf, dumb, and blind the fan blogger universe pretends to be..Micrsoft has said this from DAY ONE.. But words are word.Micrsoft delivered..Kinect works..it's successful..and the games are simply fun The best part is they bash Kinect for hardcore and when you mention that hybrid may rule the future..they cry..bu-bu-but then 'you can't be the controller' and we scream from the top of a mountain because then there will be NOTHING we can bash Kinect for.. Internet buffoonery is classic.. My recomendation..from a guy who spend a ridiculous amount of money on over 20+ games..two motion controller..and a wheel to play GT5.. Buy Kinect, Move and anything you want out there..it's great to be a gamer these days..let the haters play the internet Evil
stop saying good things about MS and kenect dammit!!! there is no room for suck talk here!
I feel combining the controller with Kinect makes sense personally, but there you go.
I agree, it would be much better than Kinect itself. But, unfortunately it will still have that lag which will be causing rampages through the hardcore world.
I agree, Kinect should be combined with the controller, it makes sense.
Agreed but since people would be busy recklessly moving their hands in different directions. How would you expect them to hold on to a controller? Perhaps control the controller with the feet?
If you combine kinect with a controller its just a crappier version of playstation move.
Imagine a Move controller versus a Move controller with additional full body tracking. How is the latter a "crappier version"?
Just Wait Till Star Wars Comes To Kinect, NERDGASM
If they can get it to track your wrist movements, then it'll be an different and interesting take of a star wars game, that's for sure. Because it's not just the saber, it's using the force powers with the other hand that will make a big difference (if they or even Sony with the eyetoy can pull it off).
Wasn't that just a tech demo though?? There is no more known on it. We shall see though.
No, it won't, ever! Steel Battalions, Rise of Nightmares, Haunt, Star Wars, Project Draco, Codename D, THQ's core title...they are all right up the casual alley...pfft! Come on people, of course they'll go core, they have already announced the core games By the way, as much as I'm a kinect supporter, 2.5 million in TEN days is 15 days off the mark
The gameplay makes core games, not the theme. Super Mario and Ratchet & Clank Future series have colorful and kid-like themes but they are definitely hardcore games because of the high level of sophistication in gameplay. Of those games you mentioned, only Star Wars' gameplay has been shown (it wasn't even a demo) and I wouldn't call that hardcore.
@ theodore87 The difference between "core" and "casual" is a mental one, cores are about competition and high scores and a casual about having fun not to say a core doesn't want to play around but that's what the difference is.
Those games sound nice, but no gameplay has been seen yet. I remain skeptic.
Who are these core gamers?I here this all the time, hardcore/core/casual etc, sorry but I don't place myself in any one category, if I enjoy it then it has achieved the goal I require, I like variety and Kinect has just added a whole new dimension to the 360, and I think I will be using it for quite some time to come.
Core gamers are people whose main hobby is gaming.
@Imalwaysright my point is that I got them all covered, you on the other hand only have one type of gaming, core apparently, limit yourself by all means but I like a bit of variety.
Kinect has shown no "variety" its purely casual thus far. No DEPTH, and Depth is what makes a game casual or core. Pick up and play, is casual. No skill required, Casual. Game makes up for your lack of skill, Casual. If your 7 yr old who has only been playing games for 3 years can beat someone who has been playing for 30 yrs cause the game equalizes everything, then its CASUAL. Most Wii games are casual, till here recently with games like DK country returns, and Golden eye, and epic mickey, and Kirby (hence why we have no Wii, till this christmas) All kinect games, CASUAL. (when it proves it can have depth, I will buy one, but without a controller or the ability to more forward and backward accurately, It will never have depth. The Move on the other hand has proven it can be precise, accurate casual and hardcore, thats why I have one.
I'm core to the bones and I say..... Never. It won't happen. Kinect will never appeal for gamers like myself.
Again you are wrong, I was around when they first brought out the atari, i'm old school and it does appeal to me.
Tell that for thousand of players that comes home tired of a whole day at work and just want to sit down in their comfortable coachs and enjoy their games. Besides you cannot develop a core game with a slow input device. You need buttons for fast response, where body movements will never reach the same input speed. Plus there's the lag between the body movement and the time the camera takes to interpret and convert it into a command.
@Vesemir or didums.
Will Kinect ever be for the core? Thats up to the Developers. The Japanese seem to be having a go at it, but then again, weve yet to see any of those titles in action.
exactly one one core title out so far the fighting one (i forget the name) and it sucked big time due to mostly lag. So we shall see.
Is the Core gamer the kind who live in there moms basements, post up blogs and rant on game sites? To me gamers have evolved from those days and no matter if your casual or a so called hardcore your able to appreciate all types and genres of games along with types of controls. I was one who hated the wii because i never was into the way alot of games were played i could see the family and fun factor but i was biased simple due to the motion gaming. Natal/Kinect i was/am excited about and yes that does make me hypocrite, the same can be said for alot of people who chose a PS3 or 360 over the Wii and who are now running out to buy Move or Kinect. No matter how much we try kid ourselves neither are Hardcore! But both can be used on hardcore titles, Move more than Kinect, but i am willing to try out all games and if it appeals to me it appeals to me.
I dont think they will release a controller like Move or Wii this gen but next gen we will see a controller that fits in each had rather than holding 1 controller with 2 hands. I have Kinect and for the games they have brought out with it Kinect sports Joy Ride dance central ect all work very well on the device but MS have stated since E3 Kinect on Launce it will be aimed at the none core xbox audience to widen the 360 appeal to the world but the you are the controller slogan. But After xmas is over Kinect will carry this on for the none core games but there will be games that have Kinect/controller usage. They showed forza at e3 and what can be done the talked about FPS games where Kinect tracks your head but you use the controller and well as give orders. We are also seeing how people are opening up Kinect and useing games like mario with Kinect so I expect games like this to be release too. I know this site seems to hate MS and Kinect but MS did need another outlet for the 360 as it was know as the core console and nothing else where Kinect now put is in the same market as the PS3 and Wii for having both core and none core games. Kinect is in version 1.1 at the moment and once the updates start to come out for it it will be integrated into alot more games and the dash too. The other thing to remember is MS stated they did not want any games to be patched to use Kinect they wanted all games to be built around Kinect and the controller and I think this will pay off for them in the end.
Im hardcore and I think Kinect is great. The Lag still gets brought up, I have Kinect Sports, Dance Central and Kinect Adventures they all play perfectly. They have all been given good scores. If the lag was as bad as sum ppl make out the reviews scores would have all been 1s and 2s. Yes there are some poor games just like with the move. Im looking forward to the core Kinect games that will use the original 360 controller aswell. People forget about Voice control to, it works amaingly well.
Will Kinect ever be for the core? NO
I hope not. Both motion controls should fail so it brings next gen faster.
Lag means no dice. Sorry....
Kinect was designed for the Wii crowd. Which are mostly casuals.
Which won't trade their sucessfull motion console with thousands of sucessful games for a.... Kinect.
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