Top
270°

The magic ingredients of Killzone 2

How can Killzone 2 possibly live up to the hype? What magic beans is developer Guerrilla throwing into the pot to ensure that it meets the vertiginous expectations of gamers? Well, according to Guerrilla producer Steven Ter Heide it's "the sheer intensity, level of detail and visual quality that we feel will set Killzone 2 apart." Certainly the level that Games Radar has seen in action doesn't just tick all of those boxes, it blows bloody great holes in them.

Read Full Story >>
gamesradar.com
The story is too old to be commented.
lVlemphizStylez3519d ago

I wish the hype around this game would die...Too much dissecting of a game that still isn't done yet...Too much speculation...They should leave something left to be hoped for..I know too much about this game already before I've even played it...

mighty_douche3519d ago

oh really? ok so how many levels are there? how long single player? how many in multiplayer? multiplayer modes? vehicles? weapons? we know nothing about this game really, i think sony are being very clever with this, they release the smallest piece of info and people go mental for it! guess we'll all just have to wait and see but i have no doubt this will be the FPS of 2008!

Nigglet3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU. I got a bunch of retarded comments from people who convinced themselves that they knew something about these consoles who acted like it was outrageous and some ignorant kids even said it was the dumbest comment they ever heard and so forth. That shows how pathetic sony fans are, here is SOny themselves talking about their GPU and AI http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Ma... I feel embarrased often by the inteligence of people on this site. So I will say it again, xbox will always blow away PS3 in the AI department BY FAR. Some of you idiots said I was retarded for stating the 360 has 3 GPUs even. What the F? How ignorant can you be? The 360 has 3 General Purpose cores which are needed for good AI, get it through your heads and accept reality. READ introducing the xbox 360 xenon CPU where it discusses the 3 general processors. http://www.anandtech.com/pr... You can't deny AI needs a general processor and you can't deny the 360 is at least 3x more powerful in the AI area than the PS3. As far as the levels in Killzone, they made the background in cut-scenes out of polygons and cramed texture in it to take up space like idiots, just to say it uses a bunch of space. Then when it comes to actually playable areas in the levels the PS3 has to load them separatley!! and when it did the game stuters and has frame rate issues!!! LOL!! They spent all this time making the background take up space and the game can't even run the playable levels as smooth as last gen games. They devs even admitted that the playable portions of the levels had to be loaded as you went, just like all games, although most don't stuter and have issues with it, making killzone levels WORSE than average as far as smoothness and textures and polygons being implemented during gameplay. THe game is only 30 FPS and only 720P, thats close enough enough to 1080p amd 120 FPs isn't it? LOL! The point is that the levels load as you go just like all games and it does this worse than most games and the extra texture is just BS so sony can say this is not possible on a dvd. The devs say that they are still working on making the loads seemless like they are in most games, but come on, a game trying to bost huge levels is having slow-downs and frame rate issues due to loading problems at checkpoints? http://www.psu.com/2GB-leve... Spare me the BS and just make a game that runs smooth instead of a bunch of pointless polygons in the back of a cut-scene.
By the way, the demo for this game is supposed to be out the same time as halo 3 so you can stop making excuses about it not being done yet. Here is more info on the stutters and freezing during loads, also most games do not have these issues anywhere near this far in development. http://ps3.gamespy.com/play... this article was about an earlier biuld and guess what the problems where still there even the last build shown.

DRYTSOUF MONKEY3519d ago

1.2 (Nigglet) - Killzone AI and levels are a joke.
I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU. I got a bunch of retarded comments from people who convinced themselves that they knew something about these consoles who acted like it was outrageous and some ignorant kids even said it was the dumbest comment they ever heard and so forth. That shows how pathetic sony fans are, here is SOny themselves talking about their GPU and AI http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Ma... I feel embarrased often by the inteligence of people on this site. So I will say it again, xbox will always blow away PS3 in the AI department BY FAR. Some of you idiots said I was retarded for stating the 360 has 3 GPUs even. What the F? How ignorant can you be? The 360 has 3 General Purpose cores which are needed for good AI, get it through your heads and accept reality. READ introducing the xbox 360 xenon CPU where it discusses the 3 general processors. http://www.anandtech.com/pr... You can't deny AI needs a general processor and you can't deny the 360 is at least 3x more powerful in the AI area than the PS3. As far as the levels in Killzone, they made the background in cut-scenes out of polygons and cramed texture in it to take up space like idiots, just to say it uses a bunch of space. Then when it comes to actually playable areas in the levels the PS3 has to load them separatley!! and when it did the game stuters and has frame rate issues!!! LOL!! They spent all this time making the background take up space and the game can't even run the playable levels as smooth as last gen games. They devs even admitted that the playable portions of the levels had to be loaded as you went, just like all games, although most don't stuter and have issues with it, making killzone levels WORSE than average as far as smoothness and textures and polygons being implemented during gameplay. THe game is only 30 FPS and only 720P, thats close enough enough to 1080p amd 120 FPs isn't it? LOL! The point is that the levels load as you go just like all games and it does this worse than most games and the extra texture is just BS so sony can say this is not possible on a dvd. The devs say that they are still working on making the loads seemless like they are in most games, but come on, a game trying to bost huge levels is having slow-downs and frame rate issues due to loading problems at checkpoints? http://www.psu.com/2GB-leve... Spare me the BS and just make a game that runs smooth instead of a bunch of pointless polygons in the back of a cut-scene.
By the way, the demo for this game is supposed to be out the same time as halo 3 so you can stop making excuses about it not being done yet. Here is more info on the stutters and freezing during loads, also most games do not have these issues anywhere near this far in development. http://ps3.gamespy.com/play... this article was about an earlier biuld and guess what the problems where still there even the last build shown.

gololo3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

Dude, remember that AI is designed by HUMANS and if the developers are crappy with stuff like multithreading and load balancers and other stuff not matter if they have 10000 GPUs, the AI will still suck. Now, in terms of computations, doesn't PS3 was chosen to run [email protected] just because of its computation power (which clearly outperforms even the most powerful pcs nowadays).
"Killzone AI and levels are a joke."
Now, you seem to know a lot of stuff about KZ2, have you played it to personally verify it? If not, then shut the hell up. Now, aren't you aware that KZ2 is not out yet, its still in development!!! How can you tell the AI sucks if it's not done yet!!! LOL AT YOU for looking like a fool claiming all these unreasonable claims (sounds like a fanboy).
Also, if you are going to talk about polygons and such, then the PS3 has the upper hand since blue ray has more capacity, meaning, more space to save detailed models, high quality textures and sounds. So, dude just shut up, enjoy Halo 3 (I know I will since I preordered long time ago) and when KZ2 comes out...enjoy it like I will too!(I
doubt that you will since you probably won't buy a PS3)

BTW LEARN TO LINK TO ARTICLES IF THIS IS YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE (CANT EVEN INSERT A STUPID LINK) THEN YOUR OPINION IS OF NO VALUE AT ALL

beavis4play3519d ago

you are a misinformed, ignorant, irrational fanboy. the framerate issues and loads at checkpoints is due to streaming not being implemented yet. go back and listen to the countless videos of GG explaining this. (although i don't think you will understand what they are saying) the rest of your post is just crazy ranting based on some psycho hatred for sony/ps3/killzone/GG. i'm not sure which, seems like you hate them all. i think what's best for you is to take a nap and relax. these are games and you are going waaaaay off the deep end of the anxiety pool. just calm down, these games shouldn't upset you so much.

Rooted_Dust3519d ago

DRYTSOUF MONKEY -"1.2 (Nigglet) - Killzone AI and levels are a joke.
I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU."

Ok, I'm not going to get into a huge debate with you, but I thought I might just steer you straight on a couple things.

A graphics processing unit or GPU (also occasionally called visual processing unit or VPU) is a dedicated graphics rendering device for a personal computer, workstation, or game console. Modern GPUs are very efficient at manipulating and displaying computer graphics, and their highly parallel structure makes them more effective than typical CPUs for a range of complex algorithms.

As far as handling AI on a GPU...It seems there has been discussion about the GPUs use for AI, but I don't think any developer has actually used it in practice.

DRYTSOUF MONKEY3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

First off this post was originaly by Nigglet, who is a talented programmer and a frequent contributer of high rated work on Newgrounds.com and we have even a done a couple games together. He knows more than anyone else I have worked with about hardware. So GOLOLO I don't know what you are trying to say about folding but computing power is what the PS3 does, not AI, AI is very complicated and can not be done with SPE's like number crunching, so the two are unrelated, this is the point, the SPE's can NOT do AI! Nothing else you mention has anything to do with nigglets posts so your post was pointless, without any arguments even relative to the subject. And here http:// ps3.qj.net/tags/gpu/1355 this page has the sony AI-GPU article and an article on why xbox 360 would be better at the folding project aswell since you are all about folding for some reason paste it to your browser instead of link and if you still can't get it just go to qj.net and search PS3 AI on GPU or just search your regular browser for PS3 AI on GPU and you should somehow be able to complete this complicated task. BEAVIS4PLAY, you say the post is a complete waste.In an attempt to sling insults like a school kid, yet your post REALLY is a complete waste with not one meaningful statement at all. All you did was admit that nigglet was correct about the streaming even though gorilla tried to say the whole 2 GB level was downloaded from the start so streaming is not needed. This is our point that you are making for us, 2GB and you still need to stream like any other game? and it is clunky? Your post only makes you look stupid and supports nigglets in every way. Why don't you realize he is right considering you agree with him? ROOTED DUST, I am not surprised you chose not to debate, considering you have no idea what you are talking about. You even missed the basic idea of nigglets post, GENERAL PROCESSING UNIT, say it with me, GENERAL PROCESSING UNIT. There you go. I realize you don't know what you are talking about but I would hope you realize it soon, And of once again your post has no facts, concepts, ideas, relevant responses or any real point at all considering everything in this area is far over your head. Three people tried to say something to argue with nigglet yet all you did was agree with him, prove his points, and prove how ignorant you all are.

cartman3133519d ago

Ouch...Just ran into two walls of text.

beavis4play3518d ago

sorry about the harsh words but i stand behind them. am i a game dev.? no. but neither are you. i checked newgrounds. if you think this qualifies you to tell a major dev.(who is working on a 25 million dollar game) that they don't know what they're doing;then, you are crazier than i initially thought. and, if you think this game is going to turn out bad, that's your opinion. i disagree with that. not because i'm a fanboy but because this game interests me and i hope it's great on release. however, your haphazard writing skills and belief that you are right about everything(while pitiful) leaves me with a feeling that trying to have a conversation with you would be impossible. every point you try to make ends up some sort of defensive, angry rant. i was going to hit the ignore button, but i've changed my mind. i've got this game preordered and THE DAY it comes out, i'll get back on here and look for your post on a killzone thread. if the game is bad, i'll certainly admit it and you can make fun of me and tell me how right you were all you want. but if it's a good game (and i believe it will be)i'll get to let you know about it.(if you show up) until then, just remember- these are just games, so don't get so worked up. it's not good for what mental health you have left.

+ Show (6) more repliesLast reply 3518d ago
mighty_douche3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

i think that pretty much sums up my excitment for this! i cant wait for all the crap AI shouts to come from the xbox fans, who cares, when this comes out everyone is gonna see what the ps3 is capable of within 2 years of release, i dreed to think what killzone 3 will be....

ive said it before and ill say it again, ill let any member of GG sh1t on my chest if i can get a go on this now!!!

edit @ lVlemphizStylez, maybe your right but the truth is the truth.

lVlemphizStylez3519d ago

that's just gross...and disturbing...

Stella3519d ago

Killzone 2 has the best AI of any fps game we've seen this generation. It's too bad Bungie can't delay Halo 3 to fix the really bad AI the game has and bring it up to the same level GG has with KZ2.

mighty_douche3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

dont try and fill another thread with console war crap please!

edit: ive had enough of it capt. bubble bac at ya mate! cheers

Captain Tuttle3519d ago

Give it to him _douche!

Have a bubble.

Meus Renaissance3519d ago

I honestly don't think this game, from what we have seen so far and considering its in it's early stage, deserves anything but praise.

Meus Renaissance3519d ago

Despite the disagreements, I think it's exceeded expectations and it will continue to do so. The graphics are great and the physics (destructible environments) and the animations in the game are incredible. The fact that people want to play that E3 demo so badly testifies to that. So what really is there to criticise justly?

GnaM3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

Graphics and animations (so far the "physics" are just visual effects too) DON'T make a game. It's too early to say that gameplay in Killzone 2 will be bad, but it's also too early to say that it will be good. Regardless of how good the visuals are, a game doesn't show up on my radar until it starts to show off unique gameplay features, and so far in all their efforts to prove that they can match the visual quality of the E3 2005 trailer, Killzone 2 has failed to do that.

I'm not saying that Killzone 2 will suck, but I am saying that most of the hype for this game seems unjustified; 100% of it is based on the game's visuals and exclusivity, not on any gameplay or even story quality. Maybe the game will be truly impressive later on, but based on what we're seeing right now, it's nothing to write home about.

"How can Killzone 2 possibly live up to the hype? What magic beans is developer Guerrilla throwing into the pot to ensure that it meets the vertiginous expectations of gamers? Well, according to Guerrilla producer Steven Ter Heide it's 'the sheer intensity, level of detail and visual quality that we feel will set Killzone 2 apart.'"

See? They're just saying all the wrong things. Where was anything gameplay related mentioned?

DeZimatoR3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

Whats really funny to see is that the haters don't even try to say the graphics aren't that good...they seem satisfied with trying to convince ppl that Crysis looks better.

I think the fact that Killzone 2 is put up side by side with Crysis shows how good it looks ;)

It has the graphics, it has the sound, the gameplay is (apparently, at least from what I've read till now)as solid as it needs to be (FPS cover system well implemented), and the multiplayer will be a big part of the game...FPS heaven anyone? :D

Morratut3519d ago (Edited 3519d ago )

I don't think anybody can really compare the Crysis graphics engine to Killzone 2.

Crysis wins in every department at the currently.

Maybe in time Guerilla will surprise us though.

Show all comments (48)
The story is too old to be commented.