Gran Turismo 5 reviewers failed Yamauchi’s damage test – incomplete reviews?

Gamer.Blorge writes: "It seems like Gran Turismo 5 is choke full of hidden surprises. However, it may not really be a hidden surprise for those that have actually played the game enough. In Kazunori Yamauchi genius fashion, he has left out a few important pieces of information waiting for reviewers to discover them."

[Sunny_D]

IGN failed most definitely. If I recall correctly, the reviewer playing it was only on level 5 or somewhere around there. Whatever it was, it wasn't even atleast at level 10.

[deadreckoning666]

"Yamauchi probably feels that players must first get their skills to a level where they can drive well before introducing race losing effects as crippling full on damage."

That actually makes a lot of sense. Beginners are likely to crash a lot in the beggining, so if the full damage was available from the start..beginners would hardly win any races. Hmmm...the game is more accessible than I imagined.

[irepbtown]

Totally agree,
Although i would love damage, GT5 seems very realistic with Traction control, different tires etc.

I dont think it was the best idea to 'Unlock' damage, but it will definitely help the beginnners.

Trading in Black Ops for this game, bye.

EDIT: Was just told its Progressive, Basically the damage becomes more realistic as you play and Ai gets more difficult.

[GlowingPotato]

ITS TIME to reviwers change... they must play the entire game before write some random sh** on the web.

and this will not change if we still support them.

[Ducky]

... but why hide the actual visual damage?
x.x

Unless... Unless... wait... did Yamauchi just troll the entire gaming-related internet?

EDIT: I just realized. Since the damage is controlled by your progression, Yamauchi basically created a "Damage Control" system.
The plot thickens... o.o

[GlowingPotato]

Yamauchi want to expose the evil! actuals reviwers r failing!

[longcat]

Has he just trolled the entire gaming media??

[karl]

oh god..
thats some serious trolling kaz...
the sites that talk shit should be ashamed now..

i even read how the AI was totally lacking in some reviews

this guys didnt even reach lvl 10 ...

and yeah IGN is first on that list

[rambi80]

Kaz = God

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@FatOldMan

That's because GT5 don't "visual damage" for premium cars (I don't know about standard if they are visual only or not).

The "visual damage" on a premium car is actually "physical damage" too. If you mess your hoof or bumper you have to actually fix it. And although this body kit fixing may be free, most of the damage fixing isn't.

So having damage early on the game would rain in all new racer's parade. You can actually spend more on fixing a high end car in GT5 than buying one, and all we long time fans of the franchise know that good cars come with time and money invested in the game. Having to constantly fix cars you get early on just because you can't get anything better would jeopardize on the real objective.

[Shadow Flare]

I've been playing since Wednesday and I'm already at level 16. If only reviewers did the same. There are still some things like the online, rallying and track editor I've yet to try out. Nearly all reviews I've seen, the reviewer has been at a around level 10 or under. You could get to that level in maybe a day or two. It's ridiculous that they could write a fulfilling review in that space of time. I thought you're supposed to play the majority of the game to be able to review the game. I mean otherwise you might end up writing stupid things like "there's no damage"

[-Alpha]

For the sake of skepticism keep in mind that we don't know for SURE if that video is real or not. For all we know he could have spent hours trying to get to that level of damage.

From what I've seen that kind of damage was expected in the game, but it's the way damage happens that people do not like. You can go at high speeds and bump off barriers while making just a small dent from what I hear.

And while it makes sense gameplay wise to have damage progress, it doesn't make sense to limit the damage model graphically.

We still don't know for sure how damage happens at level 40, and since there is a damage patch that was addressed there clearly was an issue that needs addressing.

That's what I'm reading from GTPlanet anyway:

http://www.gtplanet.net/for...

For those interested there is damage for standard cars displayed on that link.

[longcat]

Kaz - All your credibility are belong to me

[Guwapo77]

@Canna -

There was a time when reviewers would beat the game before a review was written. Some even went as far to give a progression review until it was beat. Those days are gone sadly... If you aren't out the gate with your reviews first, you miss out on your site hits (which equals pay day). We can thank the internet for that.

Wish we could go back to the day when Game Mags were the source for all reviews. Let me hush, I'm starting to show my age.

[HolyOrangeCows]

These reviewers are so used to playing short, uncomplex linear games (or boring open world games that serve as filler traveling) that when they get a good one in, they play it for ten minutes and write their review.

The best reviews haven't even released yet.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Meanwhile, at Polyphony...

[Lawliet]

These days I don't read a review to buy my games. I play my games to judge a reviewer... How things have change..

[Karum]

As I read the article those were exactly my thoughts, because I crash a lot too at these lower levels and need to improve so the damage and thus mechanical breakdown would just hinder me from progressing as well as I maybe could. The same will be true for others.

Personally I think this kind of system makes the game a bit more accessible. I wouldn't mind the damage being maxed out from the beginning tbh but this move from PD also makes sense.

I also like how it has shown up the reviewers of the game and justifies my stance of putting very little faith in reviews this generation and that isn't just for PS3 games but for all games.

[hay]

I'm glad to see more and more people actually playing GT5 instead of their weird imagination of the game.

Congratulations guys. We've created a moving force. Most reviewers will be careful now with reviewing games 'cause now, they're just a laughing stock.

[jony_dols]

Every review I read was incomplete.

Features such as proper damage, Custom tracks, range of steering wheel support, and (most importantly for me) 3D support, was left out of 95% of the reviews I read.

It's a disgrace.
I didn't read one review that actually tested out the 3D, some sites mentioned the feature. None actually used it.

[twoface]

It is only logical that the visual damage fits the physical damage. If your car looks badly damaged, it should drive badly damaged.

Could be this reason why visual damage was also omitted from the early stages.

[Ravage27]

Yamauchi vastly overestimated the intelligence and integrity of modern-day reviewers.

[-Alpha]

IGN's reviews complained about more than just damage. I'm not sure how much the review scores would change if they got to level 40, but yes, they failed to address that component. People are talking about this to invalidate lower review scores but keep in mind that there were also sites that gave it 9+ that also didn't get to the level 40 most likely.

It's a case of picking and choosing reviews as fans see fit and happens with nearly every game.

This is not uncommon with many reviews for games though. MW2's MP was barely touched-- in fact, MP in general is barely touched in numerous games before reviews make judgments on them.

You can blame review sites, but they technically don't have to take blame if embargos are lifted by Sony. I don't know how far a majority got before reviewing games but it's obvious that many games should get a week or so for reviewers to:

a) Observe as much as they can
b) Let the hype sink away for a more logical score

This is why I like Gamespot reviews. While IGN tends to have reviews ready to go the minute an embargo is up, sites like Gamespot usually give their reviews last and I find that they take more time with their reviews

[PirateThom]

Sony lifted the embargo, doesn't mean they need to have the review up as soon as that embargo lifts.

If Sony is at fault anywhere, it's not getting the review copies out earlier.

[-Alpha]

I'm not blaming Sony, but if an embargo is lifted sites will flock to get it out ASAP for immediate hits. I'm just saying that sites like IGN wont take blame because of embargos.

People can't expect sites to wait when there is competition from all kinds of sites.

We even had websites release reviews before the rush to get some attention.

@raz below

Of course-- but they wont do it because IGN reviews tend to be very general. They don't have to be coerced, they just have to have permission from Sony.

People can't say their reviews cant count or that they need to take it back because then you can say that to just about any game whose review you don't agree with.

Like I said, I don't know how far they got or if their score would have changed-- their main issues seemed to stem from their negative attitude towards the A-Spec mode and the game not being, I suppose "game-like" since they called the simulation aspects a 10/10

[raztad]

Nothing forced them to publish their review just when the embargo got lifted tho. Other major sites are taking longer to review the game. I'm not saying that better damage or AI would change the final score, but they would have been a little more accurate on their comments.

[Rage_S90]

"There will be more to come as rumblings on more aggressive AI is starting to bubble"

so what about this

[Nitrowolf2]

The thing is, it isn't MP, it's SP part of GT. And from IGN review, it leads me to believe that they didn't play it as much as one would think. For starter they complain about the AI's being Zombie. The first 10lV they are, but once you get above that they actually try to pass and block you. Same with the damage, it's weak to begin with but later on it is improved as the higher Level you get. I notice a change in damage from LV1 to LV16, it's much better but still not the best, but it is improving.

I can understand why reviewers are scoring it down, One thing i think PD should have done was actually indicate that damage improves over time, with an in game Notification. In a sense it is PD fault here for not saying anything before launch, but then again it can be considered both unproffetional by both reviewers and PD.

But still most reviews i have read, seem as if they don't take enough time to review it. If most sites got their game a few days before the embargo lifted, that should still be no excuse to have to release the review that same day. And yes it can be tempting for them, considering that they want hits.

Thing is us gamers, we expect reviewers play the game to the fullest, but that isn't the case. Many times reviewers play a small portion of the game and make their verdict just so they can be the first to the punch.

I don't expect any reviwers to take back their score, all i know is that i am happy with the game.

@Below
Waiting for theirs too
Even though i already have the game and am loving it.

Mostly earlier reviews are indications of what to see
If good score is seen, 9-10, then the game is expected to get that score across the board.

Usually games that fall into Racing, RPG, JRPG, games that take 40+ hours, i usually wait for later reviews. I hate early reviews period. I wonder why reviewers can't get their games the same day as everyone else, tbh i think it's just so publisher can put that "10/10" on the cover of their game. idk their are reasons like influence sales and other stuff.

[-Alpha]

@Nitro

It's common with all games. Some reviews will also rush to the end and miss the smaller details of games.

The reason why people are more acute here is that guys like IGN gave a lower score than expected and people want GT to score higher on sites like IGN.

If it was scored 9.5-10/10, and even if they spent just about the same time on the game people wouldn't notice or care.

Of course this doesn't justify a site like IGN only scratching the surface, but it goes to show that the issue is much broader than just GT5.

Again, IGN and a lot of early reviews are like that which is why I prefer Gamespot. I don't think much of IGN and hold their opinion lightly as they tend to be more general (though their scores still fall in line with much later reviews).

Personally I don't look at media reviews as much as I do user reviews. GameFaqs, etc. tend to have well written and deep reviews

[thesummerofgeorge]

Alpha, their job is to play video games, and if they can't even do that because their desire for the most hits is preventing them from doing their job, then they are no longer relevant. Instead of just looking to be first out with a review, they could easily look to be the first out with a fair, accurate and informed review, otherwise you're just a fanboy blog. And I think amongst all the bullshit, an informed review from someone who actually played the game WOULD attract hits in and of itself, because it would stand out amongst the trolling.

They make their money off of our traffic, we need to demand better, otherwise what's the point of reviews. Some of these sites make big money off of this stuff, they have a responsibility that joe blow and his blog don't have... Their reviews affect other peoples business, so either do it right, or get out of the biz, but don't write phony reviews for a game you haven't played, and act like it's accurate.

[The Wood]

hmm. Ive always though reviewers should state how much time they put into the titles they're reviewing. They should at least complete it unless its a broken mess or if its a game that cant really be completed (mmo type or online only game etc).

As a minimum requirement a reviewer of 'infamous' for example should have completed BOTH good and evil arcs to post a review. A game with the depth of GT5 obviously needs a little more time than a hack n slash or shooter in the hands of the reviewer... How many reviewers have got to this so called level 40.....How many have mentioned it???? You could blame PD or whoever for not informing reviewers but they are paid to review our games....they aren't doing it for free.

What book reviewer writes a review without finishing the book, or what film critique writes a review of a film they haven't fully watched .....doesn't/shouldnt happen.

I understand that reviewers dont have infinite time to go to the ends of the earth to analyse every nock and cranny of a game but when you make claims that are subsequently proved false you kinda look dumb or unprofessional at best.

Its sad that many people are put off by incomplete reviews and im no way saying GT5 is without fault or issue, im just saying that people are spouting a lot of fud because of some of these same semi fud filled and incomplete reviews.

[callahan09]

Well most of the other complaints IGN had were just about graphics and interface.

Well, the graphics are great, and I don't even particularly care if they aren't perfect. That's just a nit-pick, really. The racing is excellent, and the graphics service that end.

As far as the interface, I think it's absolutely wonderful. I like the menus a lot, and I think the presentation is great.

The only presentational issue I've got is that with some races there are requirements for what kind of car you can drive, and the game doesn't help you to pick out a car for the task. It's nice that you can look at your garage and it only shows you the cars you already own that work for the race at hand, but if you don't already own a car for that race, they don't help you to find one at all. For a lot of races, this is not a big deal, like when a car must be older than 1980, or something. That information is easily visible in the car dealerships screens. But when it's something like the Lightweight K-Cup challenge, it can be more difficult to remember all of the small Japanese vehicles that qualify, and you have to write down the cars that it says qualify and look for them in the dealerships. Or even something simple like making sure they put in the country the car is from, I'm surprised they don't have that info on the car screen. I mean, I know most countries for most car makes, but not all of them, and I feel the car info screen is a little less complete without that simple item listing.

But that's about it. The game isn't perfect, but it's as close as any other racing game I've ever played, and it has so much content and so much to do I feel like I have no shot at ever completing it all! The course maker alone will keep me invested in this game until Gran Turismo 6 comes out, even if that is years and years from now.

I played my first race in Toscana today, with day/night changes, and was blown away by the amazing beauty of that course. The environment, the lighting and effects as day turns to sunset turns to night, the firework explosions, everything, just simply stunning.

[callahan09]

... (Continued) ...

About the difference between standard and premium cars, well, I don't even know what to say. I haven't really noticed much difference, honestly. I think it's cool that premium cars are available to use in Photo Travel to take ultra hi-res pictures that look gorgeous, and they have full interior modeling, but I couldn't care less about the other differences. There's just as much reason to drive some of the standards as the premiums. They control and drive just like you'd expect regardless of whether it's standard or premium. The cockpit view lacking in standard mode doesn't mean a thing to me because I personally find the cockpit view incredibly hard to use. I use the bumper camera view, it's just the best field of view for me, with the most visibility and the best sense of speed, so I don't even use the cockpit view.

And as far as the graphics on the standard car exteriors, I honestly feel that they're still incredibly beautiful and I've never once felt like I was playing with an "up-scaled PS2 model."

And as for damage, well, I personally loathe it. Haha. It increases the challenge so much. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it's there, it adds to the immersion and realis, but it's definitely something where I'm glad they introduce it as a learning curve, slowly, so that you can increase your skills and not be thrown to the wolves out of the gate with this game. I use the bumper camera view, so you can't see the car in the race, and I find watching replays to be boring, even if it was a tight race (I had an awesome race on Laguna Seca that I won by .009 seconds to get the One Hundredth of a second trophy! ... and even that replay was boring to me), so for me, I never even physically see or look at the cars when they're damaged. I haven't even noticed a difference in damage between standards and premiums because I do my best not to wreck and I don't really use an out-of-car camera.

Anyway, the point is, there are things you could complain about just for the sake of complaining, but the fact is the game is a lot of fun and offers so much to do and see and learn about cars that you'd never experience it all. The racing controls to perfection, there are tons of courses, a ton of cars, a course maker, Gran Turismo TV, etc. etc. etc. It's a masterpiece. If any game this generation has deserved a maximum score so far, it's this one.

[evrfighter]

they should have gotten some review copies out earlier. simple as that.

[thesummerofgeorge]

evrfighter, so when reviewers don't do their job, it's PDs fault for not getting it too them earlier? Since when are game reviewers such primadonna's that we must make sure they get everything they want or they won't do their job properly. If they got the game earlier, we probably would still have seen half ass reviews only earlier.

Put the blame where blame is deserved, PD did their job, they shouldn't have to pander to reviewers and cater to their every want, that's not who the game is for. They get the game when they get it, and they should do their fucking jobs. How is not getting the game earlier an excuse to make an unfair review? Cause they want to be first? Tough shit. If anything, it's just an excuse for a late review, not an unfair one.

I think the well has been poisoned, these fuckers have gotten so much payola and "gift baskets" that when they aren't pampered, it's not worth their precious time, and they don't give good or fair reviews. Maybe I'm just cynical, but c'mon people, under no circumstances is it PDs fault the reviewers didn't play the game. If it takes a week after release date to pump out a fair informed review, than that's what the reviewers JOB entails.

Imagine having a reviewers attitude at a REAL job... I would have loved to tell my employers I didn't do my work properly because it was late in the day when they asked me to do it... "Meh... Maybe if you guys had asked me earlier, I'd have done it right.... But not to worry, I did part of it, and pretended to do the rest"

[insomnium2]

@summerofgeorge

OMG you are so correct! I could not agree more!!!

[PostApocalyptic]

I agree that cockpit mode is harder to drive. But I implore you to give it a try again later on in your progression. Especially once you start fine tuning your super cars.

The ride inside the cockpit is like no other sim I've ever driven. For the first time the physics model reacts to the tiny bumps and irregularities of the straight-aways. You wont notice it under 140MPH. But the faster your car, the better the handeling it will have. But, once you get above, say 175MPH, you'll start noticing tiny little bumps on the straights that you didn't notice at 140MPH. It's amazing trying to keep your car centered at that speed! It's fun as hell! :D So, far my arcade run, I used a Zonda 09 at 200+ and the ride inside the cockpit is pure adrenaline!

[zeddy]

ign need to retract their review and do a proper proffesional review, heck even wait a week and play the game and then do the review.

[sashimi]

I don't see IGN doing a proper professional review since that would require a education higher then high school..Which their other reviews clearly reflect.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

I think the problem is that PD didn't announce to the public how the Damage system works.

Everyone thought the Damage is unlocked starting at lvl 0.

A lot of reviewers didn't know that.

[-Alpha]

This too-- but they would have found out if they got far enough. That's the problem-- of course, with a game like GT and a site like IGN, if your review isn't first you'll get buried with the audiences running to all other sites.

I'm sure they got a bunch of traffic for their review

[UltimateIdiot911]

Which is the problem with reviewers these day. They don't take the time to actually play the game and review it. Instead they take out a sheet of info and play for a fraction of the game then submit a review.

I remember back in the days, playing games was about discovering secrets and neat features as well as taking the time to learn. These days, too many ask to be spoon fed.

[Graey]

@ Alpha-Male

I like your posts they are very informative. On another note however I want to add a caveat to your statement.

"This too-- but they would have found out if they got far enough. That's the problem-- of course, with a game like GT and a site like IGN, if your review isn't first you'll get buried with the audiences running to all other sites.

I'm sure they got a bunch of traffic for their review"

I would agree but I'd like to add, sites like IGN, Gamespot, 1UP and Playstationlifestyle, are the types of sites that are really well known. They should set the standard. They should be the example by which the lesser or up and coming sites strive to adhere to.

I'm not going to comment on their review, but I do think that if your job is to review and your a big company then you should be the one with the most integrity. Granted I don't know what agenda's play behind the scenes, but still a lot of people come to the main sites for their information. I agree that negative news does generate more hits but I would think after awhile people would eventually catch on to the scheme (hip hop gamer comes to mind).

That being said I think that all reviewers should set the standard by which all credible reviews are judged by. This standard should be clear and concise(although it can be tweaked or modified) so that we can have a standard template by which to see things.

Hopefully that would alleviate some of the negative aggression.

[Tapewurm]

If they would have played it thoroughly enough to review it they would have known......Plain and simple.....they should have never reviewed it if they didn't even scratch the surface of the game....they should be made to retract it and eat crow.....maybe they could consult with Gabe Newell...he seems to know how to eat PS3 Humble Pie.

[dredgewalker]

Anyone who's played GT in the past knows that it's a game where you spend time with it to further appreciate how deep it is. I'm very certain a lot of reviewers are GT noobs and didn't know what they were getting into.

@Alfa

If they spent time playing the game then would have known about the damage system. In the end it's still their fault for rushing out a half-assed review.

[Death2494]

@Alpha Male,

Gametrailers, G4tv have yet to release their reviews. I completely understand what you're saying. Some of these reviewers recieved their copies on the 22nd and had to get a review up by the 25th. But had they taken the time to actually review this then they could have exposed this feature just like this guy did. Therefore gaining more respect from the gaming community as a whole. The first one out of the gate isn't always t he first to cross the finish line. You make a valid point and you're right with showing the major flaw in reviewing games today. Gran Turismo isn't like Halo, Killzone, or Call of duty where you can beat these games in 8hrs.

[nycredude]

Hey didn't anyone know about the GT TV section of the game on the main menu. THere are some cool videos of Kaz attending car shows and all kinds of stuff. I haven;t seen anyone talk about it yet. THis game is more of a lifestyle. I've been playing nonstop for three or four days now!

[Perkel]

gt-tv is very good VOD for car maniacs.

BTW there is already full 2009 and 2008 season of Supper GT

[the_1080p_guy]

@nycredude, shhhhh dude.Dont tell the reviewers.They havent discovered the feature yet.

[monkey nuts]

Yep GT TV is quality, I bought a HD jap drift tourny when I had prologue and apart from the crazy drifting skills on show like tandom drift races around the track. It had two of the most crazyest commentators I've ever heard. The enthusiastic japanese commentator will scream and shout till they're blue in the face. By far one of the most entertaining/funny vids I'd seen evar. This game is like meeting an old friend you haven't seen for a whiles and having a catch up on whats gone down.

[Clarence]

I said this before. I don't think many reviewers played the game enough to really give it a proper review. Who knows what other hidden suprises this game has. I honestly feel that Ign and many others gave unfair reviews.

[Tapewurm]

So glad people are figuring all this stuff out.... there are so many things in the game that take time to master and understand...and it is clearly evident that a lot of the reviewers didn't spend enough time with this game. This game has exceded my expectations and I feel it is the best Gran Turismo yet. The folks with all the negativity need to shut their collective cakeholes and actually play the game enough to get a grip on it before making uninformed, IGNorant reviews and comments. This game is a beast and will be in my PS3 for a long, long time.

[monkey nuts]

^^^This^^^

bubs+

[Knushwood Butt]

This is great.

Just goes to highlight what a joke the vast majority of reviews are.

So many reviewers made to look like fools.

[Angels3785]

Just sent an Email to IGN about there review.
http://corp.ign.com/contact...
Maybe they'll actually do something........

[Gambit07]

*their

[Kon_Artist]

ya, it costs alot to repair cars, so i see why. im not complaining people.. im just saying that. im almost lvl 17 :)))))

[MNicholas]

It's common practice, nowadays, for reviewers to have barely played a game or, sometimes, to never have played it.

[DigitalAnalog]

Is that they have all these "previews" and articles about said damage to premium cars. It's like they've ignored that they even existed. I can't wait for what happens to the "AI" argument now.

-End of line

[rob20090]

Seriously level 5? I didn't read any reviews but I got to level 5 in under an hour.

[Sam Fisher]

atleast, now we know why they kept delaying GT5

[visualb]

Yamauchi's (possibly indirectly) just owned all reviewers by putting SO MUCH content into one game, that all "rushed" reviews stuck out like a sore thumb

now I know reviewers don't have a lot of time to review each game, BUT, that is no excuse to rate a game with x content the same way as a game with 10x content.

you must really sink your teeth into a big game if you are to have a fair judgement of it.

sad but true

@ sam fisher - yes we do, in japan, because it was too ambitious-a date, and the world wide delay ( you say "kept delaying...yet they really only delayed it once, unless you are from japan) was due to a dead line miss of 3 days.

so yeah, the "kept delaying" GT5 ONCE because of 3 days...I wonder how much 3 days worth of work on GT5 would be, considering 1 person would take 6 months to do a car =P

maybe was a troubleshooting/ GUI finish up...

[ico92]

exactly allot of people that reviewd the game on its initial release like IGn, they didn't even finish the game, or at least covered everything the game had to offer, GT5 isn;t a game you can review in 3 days, hence why GT, G4 and Gamespot are yet to review it

[imaballa]

FYI - this story talks about the three levels (calculations) of damage modeling in GT5, goes over GTPlanet's analysis of at what levels each damage level unlocks. Also, includes Yamauchi's response to progressive damage unlock.

[Prcko]

yep,reviews failed very bad!!!
Scratch review-7,5/10
Deep,full review-9,5/10

why we have reviews anyway???

[Nitrowolf2]

why do we have scores?

Honestly most people don't even read reviews these days, as long as they see the score they are fine. I see reports on articles here like "where the score??" and they didn't even have a score listed. Reading the actual review without a score for me is a bit better, knowing that you can see what they liked and what they hated, but with a score you get both of those and sometimes it doesn't even make sense why they would take points off for those reasons.

[Claudinho69]

haters fails again LOL.....PS3:It only exposes fake journalists

[Motorola]

to you sir i say: Nice one

[Snakefist30]

@Claudinho69

NICE!! Proves that journalists doesnt play much.They play 1 or 2hrs without completing the game then they start writing wats bad or gud things abut the game.PD hav made them stupid and proved that they havnt played the game much All credit goes to PD to revealed their shitty reviews!!

[MaximusPrime]

ha ha! this is what i like about Gran Turismo. Lifespan is infinite and full of surprises :P

[PirateThom]

Polyphony Digital just made A LOT of reviewers look stupid. It's wonderful.

How can anyone defend reviews of anything if this is the standard we're dealing with?

[visualb]

I see what you mean.

they judge the game based on the time they had with it, which can never be too long, but was obviously not enough to actually judge the game on its own merits.

the later reviews actually have better opinions (in general)

fact is:

GT5, its so big and so deep in content, most reviewers didn't touch on half of the stuff, and thus, the reviews were only for half the game

8/10 for half a game...the full game becomes what? 16/10 ? =P

[Prcko]

the problem is that today's reviews affecting sales,so bad reviews pretty much bad sales,but gt5 have 2 much fans so gt5 can get 2/10 and it will still sell a lot!!!

[andron]

Only after 2 hours of playing it's painfully clear that some reviews are plain BS. No wonder I mostly look at actual gameplay videos to determine if a game is interesting and don't pay much heed to reviews any more...

[komp]

We need a Kevin Butler does Reviewers video soon.

[mike9077]

I guess it just goes to show just how unreliable some of these review sites really are i mean if a reviewer got the game 2-3 days before november 24th then how in the hell did they beat the game in 3 days? The answer is they didn't they just decided o ill play the game for a few hours and review it. This is why I always say never base your purchase off some review site cuz your only hurting yourself in the end. I personally love GT5 I suk at it but I like the challenge and I will be definitely playing this game for many years to come until PD decides to release GT6.

[pork_chop_express]

Hold on last week it was "press circle to recalibrate" week before that it was "sonic freeriders= 7.5"

What will it take for people to IGNore worthless information.

[Bathyj]

You just listen to ol' Jack Burton on the Porkchop Express.

[iceman06]

It's all in the reflexes!!!

[poopoojames]

I still luv IGN cause they r cool but they are very good trolls at the same time.

[Burning_Finger]

IGN got owned big time. We need less reviewers anyway so IGN can just die for the sake of gaming.

[Burning_Finger]

IGN got PUNK'D by Kazunori Yamauchi. That guy is really a genius and a very clever developer. He has two gaming thumbs up and kudos for him. This is what 5 years of development you'll get with him. :D

[JonnyBigBoss]

I've noticed this as well. IGN didn't even get past level 10. Sad..

[Burning_Finger]

Reviewers are not gamers by nature. They just do this for the sake of their jobs.

[Bathyj]

I can tell you whyI think you have to unlock damge.

For starters GT is a hardcore game, it takes 100's of hours and patience to play. Beause of that, they like to ease you into it. Slow cars to start, no money, short races where you dont have to worry about tire wear or fuel. (I noticed thre is a fuel gauge, I guess that means it runs out in long races and you have to pit.)

So you game is hardcore, but friendly to noobs.

Plus you realise you have to PAY to fix damage right?

Can you imagine you start with no money, smash you car straight up and then cant fix it, cant race with it, and can progress because you cant unlock more events or win any cash.

That would be a game breaking fault.

By the time you reach this level of damage, (which I'm not even on yet) you will have money, many cars, unlocked lots of races, and most importantly have the experience to not crash so much, and therefore will not get to a point where your game stops.

Ta da.

[Ducky]

... but they could've easily made repairs free for the lower levels.
Just have it visible and not affect performance for the beginners.
=/

EDIT: I don't know about others, but my to-do list in racing games goes like:
1. Crash everything
2. Learn the tracks and experiment with cars
3. Race like a decent human being

But now I have to do steps 2&3 before doing step1. Boo Hoo. I want the real damage simulator. =(

[yewles1]

Nope, no get-out-of-jail-free card here.

[irepbtown]

I kind of agree, I like to smash up my car every now and then to learn a track. But for the sake of beginners, i am willing to let this go.

I got the game 6 hrs ago, haven't played it because of stupid guests. ANNOYING. Traded in Black Ops and FIFA 10 (Sealed btw) and i payed £11.50.

Tomorrow morning before i go school, i will be playing the beast.

[nycredude]

SInce when are repairs free? Maybe they should just make it so the cars mysteriously fix themselve after a race like the "definitive racing experience" from turn 10?

Seriously though, WHat is the point of damage in th sim racing if there is no penalty, to satisfy people's inherent need for destruction? Why have damage in a game if after the race the car fixes itself. Stupid if you ask me.

People complain about no damage and now we have it peole complain you have to fix it! LOL

[Parapraxis]

I believe Yamauchi has far too much respect for the automotive industry to make a game that is basically a demolition derby.
Sadly it would seem many reviewers are living in their own little bubbles.
If THEY had respect for the gaming industry they would have spent more time with GT5.

Makes you really wonder how much time some reviewers spent with games like Resistance 2 (huge co-op mode), Demons Soul's (quite demanding) GTA4 (gets quite repetitive) and other games that demand more than just 2 days to review them.

[NBT91]

Actually I have not had to pay to fix damage on GT life mode at all, it jut resets the car to perfect visual condition each race... Dunn what game other people are playing XD

[LiquifiedArt]

..... ummm

You need to check the Chasis in GT Auto..

(Cringe!)

[RIP_Weazel]

Putting it simply, the game wants to teach you how to drive. Not to crash, so the penalties when they arrive are severe. Makes perfect sense.

[mrv321]

SO let me get this straight...

On the lower levels the game is unrealistic, damage is reduced in order to prevent high costs, at later level when the player has more skill and credits the damage increases to balance out the game and prevent too much credits, this also provides more of a challenge and prevents the player simply being too good at the game.

This my friend is KNOWN as a difficulty curb, common in most games, just because GT5 is longer than most FPS's doesn't mean the difficulty curb isn't there. It'd be like complaining that the start enemy A.I is stupider and that you seem to take less damage... but WHAT big name reviewer is stupid enough to release a review without playing the game and show their IGNorance.

Seriously... how come logical game elements like this are so heavily criticised?

[SpartanPrince]

lol I was JUST about to post this. Most games in general are easier at the beginning and then have a hard boss fight at the end. THIS is what GT is doing.

[SMW]

This my friend is the BEST game design I have ever seen in a racer. People want to know where all the time went? HERE! My god this thing is deep. I have spent my whole sunday racing, drifting, taking photos and uploading to facebook. Now im doing the Tour of Italy in special events. The night race in the Mucialago took my breath away and is incredibly hard.

This game is a Racing RPG with a fantastic online mode.

For the sake of some graphics hitches people are marking this game down when it truly is the BEST racing game I have ever played. The Complete package is imeasurable.

Hell, I havent even looked at the course maker.

[NBT91]

The fact only 200+ of the 1000 cars have damage still stands. And the Game still has other faults besides damage anyway, just saying.

[mrv321]

And only 400 cars in Forza 3 have damage...

[NBT91]

I would not know, I do not have Forza or an xbox 360

[SpartanPrince]

all cars have damage

[SMW]

Wrong. The damage physical damage modelling is just different in standard cars.

Still looks pretty good most of the time.

[guzman]

Lol! Kaz just trolled the gaming media! Brilliant!

[George Sears]

Not only is this system great for beginners to get a grip on the game but it also is a great way to tell what site are really dependable when it comes to reviews in general.

It just comes to shows that these sites that were deducting points because of the damage system did not really play the game fully.

[Sylmaron]

Maybe it's time to review reviewers.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

you better reply with an honest truth to us... DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT PLAY IT COMPLETELY?

maybe thats why gamespot held off their reviews, then again, gamespot where worse back at the time...

[George Sears]

Gamestop and even 1up have gotten a lot better since. IGN has just been crumbling and crumbling every time a huge multi or exclusive game shows up.

[jp_footy2]

IGNorant

[visualb]

I usually hate that use of IGN....since its over done and not always true

but in this very case, yes. IGN (and any other reviewer that basically LIED by stating the damage was incomplete) look like idiots right about .....

NOW

[joeorc]

their point is to show that they played the game before you and give their Opinion on the Game!

you call a review something that they failed to find out for themselves. their job is to review correct?

why would a developer tell you something about the game that is pointed to teach you something. that kind of defeats the purpose of the Simulator..

Hey the cloud's part, ray's of sunshine come down an God himself says.

watch out for damage to your car..just a head's up there sparky..lol

come on..they are there to give an Honest review on a game that they would have put in enough time to know an important area of the game..the fact that he decided to not progress further just shows his ability's to do his job to give consumer's a idea how the game is..but if the review is flawed than what?

how is he doing a service for the consumer?

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

hahahahaha, just goes to show that reviewers only do their jobs when they want to.

and if thats the case then they wanted to hate GT5 to begin with, since they didn't care enough for the game to give it their full attention.
i hope this opens people eyes to the truth about bias reviewers.

[TANUKI]

Yep! The haters can eat their own words now.

[ChipdiddyChip]

What is the point in unlocking damage, it should be unlocked from the start. i dont think thats clever, it would have added to the driving experince early on. i think its stupid personally.
i played this game with my friend for a while and to me it seems like an 8/10 game imo.
Dont understand why people are moaning about reviews either, its your personal preference at the end of the day that matters, who cares what other people think, your not the one that is making the money at the end of the day.

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

this is a sim, but at the same time it has to be fun to the end user.now my be you started gaming yesterday but for us gamers, it's call balance and learning crub.

[sashimi]

This just goes to show that Reviewers aren't gamers. Which makes reviews less relevant then they used to be as they don't really play the game enough to explain to the masses what the game is about and its features. No reviews are better then misinformed reviews.

[joeorc]

why in a GT5 game are you even trying to crash your Car..that's the Point people are missing!

the point is trying to keep the gamer from playing bumper cars, trying to get the Game to increase the Pace without hitting any part of the track or another car..you Do that in NASCAR you not only Endanger yourself, but also every other Driver on the track.

yes crashes happen. but your goal in GT has and always been
about learning to be a better driver!

some are not learning..an if your @ level 40 and you are Taking your car on the track and trying to crash it, or driving wild not trying to avoid other cars and the effect's on the track. your just not grasping the basics of what GT5 is.

you get to level 40 and your doing more damage to the car than the car is worth than your doing something that your going to feel the pain trying to find out the extensive part of the level of damage I think just do not get it!

or the point of GT5.

it would not matter if the point of damage being there or not.
it's to become a better driver. you wanted damage well it's there an your going to get punished heavy for it the further you progress.

that is the breaks, no rewind, no spoon feeding..you wreak your car you pay..welcome to the world of someone in NASCAR deals with everyday.

[d3nworth1]

Exactly you fancy crashes go play Burnout.

[metsgaming]

He was trying to prove that reviewers dont do their jobs. They dont play much of the games and make reviews without finishing them or putting in a good amount of time with them. This is a big middle finger to the reviewers. Much respect to Yamauchi

[MAJ0R]

I'm just hoping for a quality review from gamespot, don't care what it scores as long as they review the whole game

[Figboy]

i'm glad this tactic of reviewers (not just IGN), has been exposed, and in a clever way, albeit unintentionally.

i'm pretty sure Kaz and Polyphony didn't set out to prove that reviewers are full of shit with this damage system. i'm positive they implemented it this way because, as many have said before, it helps ease gamers into the game's difficulty, but also rewarding skilled players with more challenge as they progress.

what other racing game do you know of where you have to pay for the damage done to your vehicle? and i mean REAL repair prices, not that Pay N' Spray $200 fee in GTA games, then your car is right as rain.

the fact that this design element has exposed MANY of the sites that rushed to get GT5 reviews out on release day for their poor journalistic standards.

this year, i've adopted the practice of waiting a few weeks to a month when reviewing games. it gives me time to really evaluate the game, let my hype and expectations reach normal levels, and be more rational.

for example, i bought my Xbox for Fable. i had bought into all the hype from Peter Molyneux, and, ultimately, i was EXTREMELY disappointed in the game. i didn't touch it until about a year later, when my wife (who was my girlfriend at the time), started playing it, and she was having a great time with it. she hadn't even HEARD of Fable before, so she didn't have those expectations of it being "the best RPG ever made," like i foolishly believed.

i was able to look at the game with fresh eyes, and now, i think Fable is actually a rather enjoyable action/rpg, and i STILL think it's the best in the series so far (i've yet to play Fable 3, but Amazon should be shipping it sometime soon). i appreciate it a lot more now than i did when i was coasting off of a wave of release hype and disappointment.

anyway, my point is that there isn't a written rule that says reviews have to be out for launch day. i think it does a disservice to many a game.

i mean, look at IGNs GTAIV review. i don't think there is a gamer around today that would say that game deserved a 10/10. it certainly isn't a bad game. it's not even a bad GTA game, but it's not a 10/10 game. but the hype and excitement for GTAIV back then was driving people to extreme levels. IGN and other sites were having kneejerk reactions to their hype.

i don't think Gran Turismo 5 should be getting knocked points for being in development for 5 years, or for being delayed (technically just ONCE), just like i don't think Alan Wake should be knocked for being in development for 5 years.

evaluate the games for WHAT THEY ARE, not for what they are hyped up to be. hype is a two way street. there is the company hyping the game, and the consumer/fans that are falling for the hype.

i tend to keep my expectations reasonable, and this generation, i don't think i've been disappointed by much. if i HAVE been disappointed, it's usually because the game is flawed in fundamental ways (controls, game design, narrative, etc), but NEVER because it failed to live up to some PR hype and media hyperbole.

Gran Turismo is Gran Turismo. that's all the fans have EVER wanted, and that's EXACTLY what they got, with more than just a few added bonuses and features new to the series.

[Enzo]

"A reviewer tweeted Yamauchi just a few days ago stating that he was at level 17 and still did not see mechanical damage. Yamauchi tweeted back with a mysterious message stating “it will appear later.”"

Yamauchi:1

Reviewers: 0

That's just epic =D

[XTerminator]

Reviewers got pwned! Suckers played the game for a few days and thought they seen it all. FAIL

[Pledius]

LOL to most of mainstream reviewers got owned by Yamaguchi's "gotcha" moment right here lmao!

OMG this is so funny. Now we know which review site only played the game for like 2 hours and turned it off ROFL

and they're the ones getting PAID to play games? please man this industry needs to get cleaned

[cfountain]

wow, sucks they didnt really play it. I cant wait to pick this up after christmas(my funds had to go elsewhere until then.)

[XabiTheHumble]

Whoa.. the ownage...LMFAO!! Thats all I gots to say...

[Angels3785]

We need to send some emails to IGNorant and many of the other sites that obviously didn't play through the whole game.

[saumer]

Caught red handed. I wonder if we'll actual see any retracted reviews....

[bviperz]

Kaz you sly devil you!

[Angels3785]

Just sent an Email to IGN about there review.
http://corp.ign.com/contact...
Maybe they'll actually do something........

[Enzo]

Well said joe! Seems there's a lot of xbox/forza trolls here tonight after finding out that there's a damage system in GT5, and it's damn beautiful too!

You want a racing game that utilizes damage as it's main selling point? Go play destruction derby or burnout... Now leave us be while we enjoy this great game (Still at lvl 9 A-Spec and Lvl 10 on B-spec... Game is like crack!)

[gypsygib]

This is a great article, reviewers should at least pass the game - or in the case of the unpassable, get to a sufficiently high level before passing judgement.

It's like rating an 60+ hr RPG by only playing 10 hrs.

[Run_bare]

Nice, im getting this next weekend. Just finish black ops and going to trade that "Meh" game to GT5.

[zodiac909]

Can any one say "Day one reviewers F*cked up bad? *cough* IGN *cough*"

[Z777]

Wow! this just made me want to buy GT5 even more now, however i need to save some money so that when i do buy it i will also buy the GT5 wheel!

[nirvana_sky]

GT5 is so deep!! We need to dig everything out in a very long time!!!

[ironmonkey]

Yamauchi’s is a smart developer. he's the only one to acknowledge that reviewers dont finish games. this is a wake up call to all developers out there. it takes years to makes games but it takes a reviewer an hour to review it. reviewers are fake and should be monitored because the media relies to much on it and sometimes sales are low because of them.

[ThatEnglishDude]

Kinda says 'Fuck you' to a lot of haters out there, doesn't it?

[tsn]

I picked up my PS3 GT5 bundle 3 days ago its my first next gen console and im loving it so far. Ive played around 30 hours and im only 3% through it so far and after reading this level 40 unlock thing its made me think Im going to have to start again because I blew alot of my money in early game.

If anyone rates this game under 10/10 for lasting appeal is kidding themselves to complete this game by winning every race will probably take years.

Im sure as we all progress there is going to be other secret unlocking which will explain why this game took the time it did.

This is teh best investment for a game ive made since CS1.6 oh yeah and another complaint I have about the gaming community there was a review from a pro driver and it was the LEAST popular review out of them all and its the most valuable most gamers shouldnt have an opinion how the game is its a driving sim most gamers are not car enthusiasts most gamers like racing games like burnout.

Clearly PD have not paid anyone to put out a big score for the game and they have kept quiet as the real fans find out how the game really is.

Unlike Activision mediocre games like CoD recive 10/10's because clearly they are paying reviewers something.

[Enzo]

Just ordered my GT5 Logitech wheel, should be here by Tuesday :D I'm guessing I need to buy a wheel holder now? Damn u Kaz, what you think I'm rich?!

[nix]

you know i hate to tell you this... i have Force GT wheel but the game is so great suddenly you wish you had a clutch pedal too because the car suddenly deaccelerates when you gear down losing that vital milli-second.

[Enzo]

Damn it nix why you gotta be negative? Just playin lol. I just always imagined playing GT with a wheel and a pedal, and finally after 8 years... :D

[nix]

ha ha... i can understand.. after i got my wheel i was so furious that why did i not get it before. well it's still a great wheel. have fun.

[kasasensei]

If every reviewer need to complete GT5 before giving it a score, then you can't rely on any review already posted. Because absolutely no reviewer did finish the game, actually.

[kasasensei]

@level 14
http://farm6.static.flickr....

[yoghurt]

This is brilliant.

Too many reviewers who are supposed to be professional get away with not playing a game through properly. GT5 has been knocked down in many areas, some are probably justified but others such as this damage just goes to show that reviewers are cutting corners.

People suspected it was dodgy that reviewers were releasing their reviews after only a couple of days with the game, now this just proves that point.

Good on Yamauchi, he is probably laughing his head off at the these 'professional game sites'.

It's also actually a brilliant idea, just as in other games you level up to get the best, same goes for GT5, knowing that all of this is unlocked will definitely encourage people to play it properly and thoroughly.

[I_C_PEE]

First, i have to LOL @ IGN and various other sites for bashing the damage mode in this game.

Secondly, this will silence a certain crowd of people who've been having a go aswell.

Thirdly, there's bucketloads more crow to go around now that there's rumblings around on the internet about the AI levels ramping up and getting increasingly aggressive as you level up with the game.

Damage Saga : WON by PD
Simulation AI : Up next...

This coming week is going to get very interesting.

[oguzsasi]

They have promo discs allmost a weak before release and they review a 5 year old developed 60 million dollar game with Coke' s, cips, sandvitches and a bunch of friends lol. There not reviewers! Gran Turismo 5 reviewes need at least 15 days and playing 3 hours a day!

GT5 is a 10/10 game everyone knows that!
IGN and every other major sites: FAIL

[bunfighterii]

The more I've played this game the more I've realised the reviews like IGN could only have played this for a very small amount of time. This game is full of hidden things that become unlocked the later you get through the game.

The AI, the damage etc all improves the more you progress. It makes sense too. You don't want it to be too hard when you first start out, because there's a big learning curve- from being good to becoming great is the hard step.

[Styj]

What i'm waiting for is to see if critics will re-review the game now that they know of this .

[PirateThom]

Ha, don't count on it. If anything, they'll deny all knowledge of the game.

[andron]

Yeah stealth editing will be their first thought, not really acknowledging that they made fuØked up bad...

[I_C_PEE]

The critics will be eating more crow because the games's AI also improves as you level up. There's lots of talk about GT5's AI or lack thereof but it seems the AI, like the damage model is increased as you level up.
LOL, this is one of those rare ocassions when good reviewers are seperated by the bad ones. Now we can clearly see which game sites can be trusted to review games.
PD killed two birds with one stone. Nail inept and untrustworthy reviewers and silence the haterz.

[HeroPsychoDreamer]

HAHAHA! he who has the last laugh :) Mr. Yamauchi

[BabyTownFrolics]

I have been playing GT5 all weekend and I have been loving it, but come on now.

I think too much is being made of this, folks are acting like some major conspiracy has been uncovered, or that Yamauchi and PD did this just to uncover something negative in gaming journalism.

I think many of you are just seeing what you wanna see in this situation and are attempting to make it more important and more interesting than it actually is.

Having the damage models and AI difficulty change over the course of the game is simply a design choice, not some masterstroke of ingenuity. The game dangles many carrots in an effort to keep you interested in progressing.

do you want reviewers in light of this new info to re review the game? Would that make you happy? It sounds like the mob is out for blood. This is the culmination of the weird trip the PS3 has taken this gen. PS3 fanboys had the hard time of both feeling like victims of countless conspiracies and superior to other console gamers. This feels like the natural progression of that.

take a break from gaming folks, this is getting out of hand, your family misses you.

[Orange Juice]

"This is the culmination of the weird trip the PS3 has taken this gen. PS3 fanboys had the hard time of both feeling like victims of countless conspiracies and superior to other console gamers. This feels like the natural progression of that."

You my friend are looking wayyyyyy too deep into n4g psychology. Its a tad saddening.

Take a break from the internet, Earth misses you.

[teething]

Agreed.

I am a big GT3/4/5 fan and I also think people are reading into this too much. This entire "fanboy war" is getting annoying. People trying to take GT5 down a notch (no standard car close-ups), and then the reply articles showing how good it is (photo mode shots of premium cars).

What ever happened to constructive criticism of a game?

My constructive criticism of GT5 is that is should get rid of all of the non-premium cars and tracks. Sure there would only be 200 cars, and far less tracks, but the quality would be second to none. I am a big fan of quality over quality.

And in regards to damage, let us turn it on or off from the start and decide how "hardcore" we want our sim. I am not level 40 yet, but I worry that it was "hidden" because it really hurt performance of the game (and yes, it struggles at times already). I will know for sure when I get there. Until then, I will have my own opinions, not those based on the N4G flamebait articles.

So far this is a great game. Not perfect, but great. One of the best racing sims this generation for sure.

[divideby0]

wow.. IGN and others who botched their reviews really look like fools.....

[teething]

Were reviews botched? Should all reviewers have played Mass Effect 2 6 times over to ensure they got the most out of the game? Are all of it's reviews invalidated?

GT5 is a great game, but the decision to limit it's full damage system to level 40 is simply silly for a game that prides itself for being so focused on "simulation". The fact that you can't have the option to turn it on or off is beyond me. If I want the full sim experience from the start, why hold me back? That design decision has obviously turned off a lot of reviewers.

[yoghurt]

nobody is saying play it over and over - but, I would have thought a review for any game can only be given when 1) it is completed, such as gow or something or 2) where they have reached the highest level, you cannot review a complete game, if you simply haven't progressed far enough to experience all that it offers

it'd be like reviewing COD multiplayer, but only progressing to level 2 and then complaining it doesn't offer killstreaks, or perks, or more powerful weapons

[teething]

I agree, but my point is that with Mass Effect (or DAO, or Heavy Rain), you need to play the game multiple times to get all of what it has to offer. Few reviewers did that, but that does not invalidate their review of their experience.

Not every reviewer plays a game until completion. Not every reviewer gets all of what a game has to offer. That is a fact (moreso in long games like GT5).

First impressions mean a lot to reviewers, and they mean even more to gamers. Most people put a game down if they don't enjoy their first hour of gaming. I did not need to beat Army of Two to know that it was a mediocre title (that now sits on my shelf, probably never to be finished). I did not need to beat Starcraft II to know that it was a solid game, and worth my time to finish it.

I don't think the reviews I have read were inappropriate overall. I think the current Metascore of 85 is about right based on my experience compared to other games in the genre. What I do think went wrong in some reviews is that some over-focused on flaws (the 7/10's), and others minimized them based (the 10/10's). The truth was in between.

[insomnium2]

Reviewers these days are nothing more than money driven sacks of ****.

[shysun]

hahahahah poor IGN I wonder if they will address this?

[orange-skittle]

Put that damage in the game PERIOD. Why do you have to unlock damage? who thought of this bullshyt

[joeorc]

IN GT5 is to become a better Driver!

that's the Whole point of GT5..it would not matter if the damage is there or not, if your not grasping that very basic concept of what GT5 is than there is a problem with your Driving, not the Sim.

Are you the type of driver that bumps a car to get ahead on the track? if so your not learning what this sim is trying to teach you.

The damage is progressive because if you do happen to get to level above 25 you best be on your best behavior or your going to get punished, and i's going to be heavy handed when you do get to that level 40 you best be sure the Sim. is not going to be as forgiving.

This is not like NFS, or Burnout or Hell EVEN THE very Good Racing Game FORZA 3.

GT5 is not meant to spoon feed you, or give you the REWIND or allow you to drive like a wild man on the track an expect you not to be endangering not only your self if this was a real race but also the other driver's as well. and the more you do not learn that the sooner you would be taken out of rotation.

where you end up picking up the parts for the mechanic's instead of be in the race yourself.

why would you be trying to crash your car on purpose anyway?
to test the damage modeling?

the purpose of a driving sim. such as GT5's it to avoid bumps, crashes, or crashing while doing it at increased speed's and while doing it better as you increase in skill an experience.

[xg-ei8ht]

At least you know good from bad reviews.

Any reviewer that states no damage does not review games properly.

That tells me all i need to know.

IGN you are at the top of my naughty list:)

[Pledius]

Only mainstream reviewer I found who knew about this progressive AI/damage was GameInformer. That just made me feel even more secure that I choose to sub their mag and that now I can give more respect to them.

IGN on the other hand... ROFL. Even if they re-review it, damage has been done already and now I won't even consider their review to buying into games

[s45gr32]

So basically reviewers do not finish the game anymore and then review the game. Man that sucks, then reviewers should not complain about short games then. GT 5 probably would take 40 hours or 30 hours to complete maybe that is why they gave awful reviews they were at eight hours or so eject the game and review it. Due to the high increase in new gamers or gamers that play casually that is why the creator of GT 5 was lenient enough to let this audience get into the game with progressive damage, progressive A.I.. Meaning the longer you play the game the harder it gets just like the old days and for reviewers not to understand this just shows how they are a bunch of people going for the hits not the actual review.

[orange-skittle]

No one is going invest that much time into a racing game that should never be full price to begin with. NO RACING or FIGHTING game should be $60

[nskrishna2]

The man single handedly rendered any review on GT5 until today, completely useless..The man is a genius

[Shnazzyone]

most of the negative reviews i've read are less bitter about the damage aspect and more about you are given all the cars that are perfectly emulated and the racing is boring. I don't like slowing down to a crawl for every turn under the risk of spinout. I think reviewers felt the same way. It's everything you ever wanted in a car game except for fun.

[victorMaje]

It's apparently time reviewers get back to being a bit more thorough & a bit less commercial.

As for that "damage system", i wouldn't quite call it "unlockable damage", it's more like an "evolving damage system" which imo is brilliant. I mean what better way to get the most out of a driving simulation than to make the damage evolve up to the "simulation standard" as you practice.

[James Vanderbeek]

haha. ign busted! and they put out that dumb list of 10 most disappointing games right after gt5 was released. and guess who was number 2? gt5. they didnt even play the f'ing game fully threw. its like watching a movie half way through with a great ending. then reviewing it.

[earbus]

Guess the game makes a lousy first impression but then gets good atleast that what i gather from reveiws.

[Dr Face Doctor]

Good for Yamauchi for what? Being an uptight prick? If he wants to get mad at reviewers for neglecting a crucial feature, that's fine. But if he goes out of his way to HIDE that crucial feature until reviewers get very invested into the game (which goes against their deadlines, btw) and later tells them that they're ignorant for not finding it, then I call bullshit.

This is not how you make games people, you don't hide this sort of stuff away. Its your job to make it noticeable without making it obnoxious, and Yamauchi failed on both of those fronts.

[joeorc]

"(which goes against their deadlines, btw)"

their deadline?

lol

they are reviewing a freaking Game, it's not life or death..as a matter of fact they are being paid to play a game,oh..boo-hoo...lol

Come on that's like saying developers have to spoonfeed you?

why don't they just point out all the core thing's about a game that you as a reviewer is there to find out right?

than what do they need you for?

it's poor shoddy work on the person who does not take the time to do a review. How the hell is it Sony's or any other developer's fault.

What would be funny is if from now on they have to buy retail like everyone else.

no pre review for these online sites.

i mean with rental game services like Gamefly or places that rent video games these sites are not even very viable anymore as is. anyway in my opinion.