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Submitted by Kors 1369d ago | interview

Sony: Why we turned down Kinect

Speaking to Eurogamer, Mikhailov details how Move came to be, discusses where it will go next, and explains why Sony turned down Kinect in 2002. (Playstation Move, PS3)

stonecold3  +   1369d ago
sony had kinect like 8 years ago the eye toy peace out
sinncross  +   1369d ago
Wait, so both Nintendo and Sony turned down Kinect???

Wow, that was either the best decisions they made or the worst.

As it stands, it seems like a good move. Until I can play Halo or Gears of War with Kinect and Kinect alone, I don't see myself shelling so much money on it.
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Red_Orange_Juice  +   1369d ago
I thought it'a a common knowledge that Kinect creators went to Nintendo and Sony and both comapnies said NO!
gaden_malak  +   1369d ago
Apple also turned it down.
RememberThe357  +   1369d ago
No lie I was just kickin it with a chick, drinking and all that, and she saw a commercial for Kinect and started talking about how she wanted it so bad. I may not like it but at least it's popular with their desired market.
ct03  +   1369d ago
I'm glad Kinect didn't end up with Sony. They probably would have locked down the system entirely, securing the USB against interfacing with anything other than the PS3.

We wouldn't be seeing all this app development and research without open source drivers.
Lightsaber  +   1369d ago
cause ms had more money and got it 1st
Hideo_Kojima  +   1369d ago
To sum it up;

Why did you not make a 3D camera like the Kinect for the PS3

Sony: Kinect is overpriced and its not worth it for what it offers
Inside_out  +   1369d ago
Sony lacks innovation...
Sony couldn't figure out how to make it work and now it's like..." oh that's how you do it "...O_o

Listen, M$ walked right in, bought a couple of companies and the rest is history. Sony keeps complaining but Kinect works great, is selling well and Sony is looking like fools for passing it up.

2011 will have a couple of interesting titles for the device and the Kinect story is just starting. No one ever said it was gonna bring the hardcore to the 360...the 360 already had the hardcore. It was designed to bring a more casual gamer to the 360 family. If and when the killer app makes it's appearance and the inevitable price drop happens, the thing will fly off the shelves...Maybe...O_o

It costs $56.00 to make Kinect...lots of room for price dropping.
DigitalRaptor  +   1369d ago
"No one ever said it was gonna bring the hardcore to the 360...the 360 already had the hardcore."

MS led people to believe that and Xbox 360 fans got hyped up for that reality. Don't pretend that you weren't one of those guys who got giddy over the thought of playing Halo with no controller.

And yes the 360 already had the hardcore,, but you don't just release a peripheral for a new consumer base and neglect your core fanbase who have been loyal for years.

What notable titles does Microsoft have for the hardcore beyond Gears of War 3 and that Kingdoms game that we know barely anything about?
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darkride66  +   1369d ago
cez of rage said " Sony is looking like fools for passing it up"

Yeah, while Move and Kinect are selling similarly, you can spend $150 on a Kinect while with move you can buy a $100 Move bundle, extra move controller, 2 more extra move controllers, 4 navigation units, gun attachments for the Move controller, charge stations for the move controllers, move sports pack addons for the kids. That's what, $400+ potential revenue for the family that wants to completely outfit their games room with Move for their family, plus software sales? And they have games for both casual and core gamers?

Yeah, Sony must be kicking themselves they passed on Kinect...
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r1sh12  +   1369d ago
@stonecold3, youve got it a little wrong.
Yes I agree that kinect is nothing amazing, but at that time 8 years ago how advanced was the software?
Maybe the PS3 was in full development but there is no way that software could have done the work.
Even Anton said that if they combined kinect with move it would be near perfect. The motion controllers released by sony and MS will not match sales by the wii. Sony also released move at the time that they did because the giro cost so much less, its an addition for the wii.
Im my opinion the Wii has the casuals motion market hands down.
Yea both sony and MS will make up some ground but they are too far behind.
rroded  +   1369d ago
yep nintendo rules the casual market still worldwide
n ya neither kinect or move will catch it but the camera only ms add on is going to flop epicly if only due to its limitations. While the move will keep attracting wii owners looking for the hd upgrade. Not to mention core users looking to enchance their favourite games like kz3 or lbp2. I think nintendo will keep loosing ground on the console front till they put out the wii hd. I dont think its going to happen till 2012 they seem more interested in selling the 3ds right now.
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Armyntt  +   1369d ago
Just because u keep saying that doesnt make it true, troll.
r1sh12  +   1369d ago
@armyntt..
Where am I trolling?
Learn to read, all I said was kinect isnt amazing and that sony and MS are too far behind Nintendo.

Thats called a summary
Armyntt  +   1369d ago
Wrong reply, i do apologize.
units  +   1369d ago
amazing how sony find manage all time to talk about kinect
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sinncross  +   1369d ago
Amazing how the Eurogamer author kept asking questions about Kinect....

That said, this Anton guy seems to know what he is talking about. Providing some interesting insight into 3D camera tech like Kinect.
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pixelsword  +   1369d ago
@units:

Better be glad someone is because no one else seems to be talking about kinect.
Strange_Evil  +   1369d ago
Oh come on, give Greenburg the mic and see how much he trashes Move. At least this guy explains it in detail.

A Move+Kinect Hybrid with 60Hz sensor and High resolution camera would be the perfect tool to really bring motion controller to a new level.

Both companies went their way, but in terms of implementation, apart from a few exercise games and dance games, Kinect doesn't give enough variety.. Move can be adapted in virtually any shooter which IMO is a big + in the long run when the hype dies and the software does the talking.
Moentjers  +   1369d ago
and rts...
pixelsword  +   1369d ago
and rpg...
a08andan  +   1369d ago
What I like about Anton is that he is not trying to bash Kinect. He is just explaining the current limitations that the technology has. I think he is being very objective which is a bit of fresh air :)
R2D2  +   1369d ago
You fanboys are so one sided - you probably keep your Sony Bible under your pillow.
mantisimo  +   1369d ago
@R2D2 Sony do a bible?

Where can I get one.
ct03  +   1369d ago
"Sony do a bible?"

Yes. It's called N4G.
pixelsword  +   1369d ago
Microsoft also does a bible; it's called whichver website, blog, or developer cashes their checks.

You know them as IGN, yahoo, g4tv, gametrailers, Activision, MTV, Kotaku, and by many, many other different names.

The best part is it's already been proven.
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B-312  +   1369d ago
@pixel

Can you link me to where it has been proven?
BLAKHOODe  +   1369d ago
listening to a Sony guy tell me about Kinect is like going to Burger King and asking what's on a Big Mac. sorry, but i'm not playing into it. it is what it is.
Oner  +   1369d ago
So you totally ignore information from someone who has technical degrees, inside knowledge & ACTUAL experience with the technology within Kinect? Wow...way to go an stick your head in the sand.

What he has said is factually relevant and extremely accurate as to the benefits/drawbacks to using that kind of hardware in both a software aspect and cost aspect in relation to what your end product ends up being capable of. And the truthful fact is it's limited.

You will not see ANY hardcore games using Kinect the way "certain types of gamers" envision it. It's absolutely not possible no matter how long you close your eyes while covering your ears screaming "LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLA I can't hear you".

The Wii & Move are infinitely more flexible and more suited to offer MORE capabilities/experiences. That is not to say that Kinect won't or can't be fun. But for TRUE gamers it's gimmick is 100% clear and is not good for the industry as a whole.
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Parapraxis  +   1369d ago
Very well said Oner.

BLAKHOODe, and others like him are completely nuts. Do they think MS or the companies that helped make Kinect are going to honest and up front about the limitations of Kinect?
Delusion at it's finest.

BTW MS is free to pick apart the PS Move technically and point out it's shortcomings, as a matter of fact I welcome it.
iceman06  +   1369d ago
@ Blakhoode...I guess you don't believe that companies do extensive research on the competition? In this particular case, the company that had the camera tech was shopping it around. Therefore several tech companies, including Nintendo and Sony, got a chance to do the R&D and see the potential for future use in home consoles. It is pretty COMMON practice in business. This guy just explained what he felt were the limits on the application of the hardware. Agree or disagree, these were the conclusions from his extensive research.
Oh...by the way BK knows FULLY well whats on the Big Mac...because they TRIED to top it with the Big K!!!
Nathaniel_Drake  +   1369d ago
Uh this the co-creator of Move, you are going to get honest answers from him. Shutting your ears off just because he says Kinect just isn't a viable tech technology isn't going to make it right. Sony has already done the research for MS, but they didn't have any other option but to do this, otherwise they would have a bleak future.

MS is inpatient they need a fast seller now and add value to the devaluing 360. Bring in new consumers. Advertise the hell out of it. You better get a good response with all the money they are losing. Investors really want to do away with the gaming division, so Kinect is a life support mechanism so they will eat the cost.

Sony on the other hand are not desparate and the reason for not advertsing like MS.

Low exclusives really are hurting MS.
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Masterchef2007  +   1369d ago
I read the whole thing. And i agree that Kinect is a bit ahead of its time. But hey Microsoft needed to release something this gen of consoles i mean they were not going to do it 2 years later. And i agree with the dev that a kinect move combo would be the best. But at the moment it is way to expensive to do that maybe with the PS4
Father Murder X  +   1369d ago
Sure sign of a loser talking about why they didn't do something. Shouldn't he be talking up their stuff instead of talking about Kinect. More free Kinect advertising. I own MOVE and have since it came out but it is obvious that Kinect at least in the mind of the general public is on another level. Talking about what you coul dhave did but didn't is stupid. You chose MOVE so support that and shut the f#ck up. Trying to down play Kinect's success is stupid right now as it is one of the hottest items out there.
Octo1  +   1369d ago
You sir are an idiot. Never once in the entire article did he bash the kinect. All he said that there are going to be eventual limitations to just using the tech without some kind of a controller and so far most people in the gaming industry is coming to this conclusion as well.Loser talk? I did not know that Kinect won the motion control wars already?
As far as what I got from it, it was a very insightful and interesting interview from a guy that knows what he is talking about.Also it not like he said hey Eurogamer, I'd like to talk about Kinect. The interviewer clearly wanted to get Antons opinion on Kinect.
pixelsword  +   1369d ago
A winner also talks about why they didn't do something.

The difference is in their results, murder x. You're acting like they had a problem in their decision or that they have regret; they turned it down, and had access to it before Microsoft did. Microsoft is getting sloppy seconds or thirds as Nintendo was the second one who view it and turned it down.

Think about it: it's like marrying your high school sweetheart right after like the most popular jock and the bully who made your life hell in high school had your way with her, still dripping from their filth.

That's what kinect is, and that's what XboX got.

Deal with it.
beast242tru  +   1369d ago
this guy is a realist he didnt say kinect cnt do this move is better at that and so on he stated wateva he knew about each tech and why they didnt go with kinect from day one
Redempteur  +   1369d ago
i agree this was more a tech article than anything .

what they can or can't do . why with realistic exemples .

great read .. but kinect is still not for me
TwistedMetal  +   1369d ago
lol father murder X is mad and a fanboy for getting that mad
and a casual gamer for trying to defend kinect when we know its got to many limits and cant do anything lol.
ajlopo  +   1369d ago
Sony never turned down Kinect no matter how much people want to say that. Listen to the interview with the inventor of Kinect on MajorNelson's pod cast. All these so called article built around a PR blurb is ridiculous.
gamer7804  +   1369d ago
You can tell by listening to this interview that Sony didn't have the software knowledge to get something like kinect or 3d camera to work well. Thats the real reason they went with the Move tech. Move is more hardware based, and Kinect is more software based. If you look at both Sony and Microsoft, Sony has always been more of a hardware-based company, and Microsoft more software.
jneul  +   1369d ago
lol if you say so lets all pretend the 3d-camera ricochet demo never happened http://www.youtube.com/watc... pay attention to around 0.35 look familiar??
strickers  +   1369d ago
I just wish more of the simple 360 fans on here could understand what he was saying.I've said some of it myself,but you just seem to get responses from children.All this N4G being PS3 dominated is no where near where it was 2 years ago,mostly due to multiple accounts from trolls.
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cstyle  +   1369d ago
All this proves is that MS R&D is better and can spend way more than sony could. if sony could afford to do something like kinect they would of. That stuff he says is mostly crap. sony just wanted something cheaper to develop and didnt want to take a chance on tech like kinect. They were afraid it would end up like eyetoy with hardly any dev support. Ms just has a better vision and just flat out better technology developers.
metalanime  +   1369d ago
How did you get that inside scoop?! You must work for MS considering you know more that that guy!
dragon82  +   1369d ago
@server-1
Yeah because YOU know more about it than someone who was there right??

Go back to your bridge.
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jneul  +   1367d ago
guess what my kids just played kinect adventures at asda's and it pretty much confirmed what i have been saying for a long time, the lag varied from around half a second to one whole second depending on the movement, sometimes my kids would jump like mad and it threw off kinect, it just could not keep up with them, my eldest was really disappointed as she really wanted it before playing on it, afterward it was like i just wanna go home and play on your move mum it was ****, my youngest had fun though but he is only 6
DiRtY  +   1367d ago
Credible story Jneul! LOL

There is no 1 second lag, I freaking own Kinect and play with it at home. It scares me that someone like you have kids to be honest.

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