An in depth look in to the graphical problems present in Polyphony's latest addition to the Gran Turismo franchise, as viewed from the perspective of a long time GT fan.
It will get better. Yamauchi said he will update it weekly. Eventually the game will be finished though updates
Damn, I never seen a game getting so scrutinized for the graphics when the minor gripes are always easily ignored in every other game. Man, it's so weird why GT gets this type of attention.
I guess certain people feel threatened by every good game for the PS3. Remember, the original Xbox got abandonded by Microsoft last gen when the PS2 took off.
I completely agree with the article.
Standard cars are unacceptable. I mean, why? Seriously. Why do they look so shitty? Why why why?
And the first thing I said when I seen the rain on GT5 yesterday was "what the.. this doesn't look like the weather trailer.." I was irritated. They clearly edited that video to the maximum. They edited every video to the maximum. Why? lol I'm in love with the game overall, but then there's things like this that make me go "what in the hell..." You could have made a perfect game, that's all I'm saying. With standard cars looking like you actually put effort into them, textures and shadows actually worked on... Ah whatever, the game is great but it could have been much, much better if only they worked on things that actually mattered instead of spending 2 months on the interior of one car.
cause of the hype and development time is what im guessing
when a developer hype their graphic insanily and then the fanboys come in and hype, hype and hype.
flash back to the GT5 article before release and see what rediculse things were said.
when you are the king of anything, your every action will be scrutinized by those wishing to replace you.
I also agree. My biggest complaint is actually the graphics. So strong at points and so unforgivingly terrible at others. I really love this game though, and it proves that although graphics are really important. At times it is never enough to competely destroy a game. I hope they release a special edition a year from now with more polish.
You forget Alan Wake or Halo Reach...
people are hitting gt5 from every angle people expect perfection but its man made just relax people its still pretty damn good and i know poliphony loves the attention i'd bet even turn 10 has gt5 and ps3 playing as we speak
lol.. this game looks incredible.. and u cant see most of this things from the view provided by the game while playing... and im not saying its perfect.. im saying that even with whatever defect people is working so hard to find.. it is still the best looking racing game there is...
I semi-agree with you. Once you step up to cars with a top speed of 150KM/H you tend to be going too fast to see most of the graphics problems. Also the OCD-inducing addictiveness of the racing, how the game is structured, the license tests mean you simply dont CARE about most of it.
Unfortunately the ones you can see are terrible. I think it was the Suzuka circuit i was marveling at how good it looked until the final corner and you look straight at this terrible texture in the distance that is meant to be.... a giant wall of poop?
wow, some of those textures look downright minecraft also, i'm glad they brought up the trailer difference in the rain effect sony has been called out on souping up trailers before, but then again so has MS as well as other companies
Sony is known for hyping its products way beyond what they can deliver. Not that Microsoft is a saint either. However Sony has a history of deluding its base: PS2 will do toystory graphics never happened (in fact it was among the weakest systems that gen). PS3 will run all games in 120fps, didnt happen, In fact most of its games only run between 25-30fps even at measily resolutions like 720p or below. Then there was recent crap about PS4 doing ray tracing in games (which is currently not possible even on the most powerful PCs). They had been hyping GT5 for years. Once again history just repeated itself.
actually, it was Microsoft that made the comment about xbox having toy story graphics, not Sony. ""One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'" Read more: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1... Also, sony never said all ps3 games would run at 120fps, only that ps3 was capable of such. back then people thought ken was crazy, since 60fps was more than enough for our gaming needs, but back then nobody was thinking about 3D. PS3 is the only home console capable of natively outputting HD video at frame rates above 60fps, which is why it's the only console able to be upgraded to the HDMI 1.4a spec (the 3D aspect of it). 360's HDMI 1.2 has half the bandwidth, so it's limited to 2D 1080p at 60fps (which the 360 internally upscales from a native 720p pixel display, so in reality it can only output at 720p60) Any 3D has to be horribly downgraded in resolution and frame rate just to work on 360 at all, and even then it won't work on all 3DTV's since 360's do not conform to the HDMI 1.4 specification. not to say ps3 games don't have to be watered down to run in 3d, but it does have the capability to output native 120fps 3D HD video, as super stardust HD proves. so... um... care to find any more of those sony "promises" that were not kept?
@Frosty Then why make retarded comments like PS3 is capable to run at 120FPS ? when most of their games are running at measly 25-30fps. Why delude people into thinking such FPS is possible on their machine. They should have been honest. In case you missed it, few days back there was an article on Sony claiming Ray tracing possibilities on the PS4. Its too obvious they will be taking tech from the PC industry when ever they make the next Playstation. If current highend hardware is nowhere near the performance needed to do raytracing, i dont see how entry level hardware sony will be using few years from now will be capable of ray tracing. 3D on the Playstation is just a marketing check mark at best, everyone knows the only platform to do it properly is the PC. Just the way 1000cars on GT5 was a check mark. Now if you carry on supporting them blindly this is exactly what you will be getting in the end, big promises, poor results. Showing off Trailers with superior graphics, just not being able to implement them in the end is just another sign how Sony deludes its customer base. Not that i am supporting Microsoft here, its just both them should be honest what they are coming up with, it would really be better that way for the gaming community.
fr0sty - killzone 2 trailer, mgs4 trailer, motorstorm trailer, africa trailer, lair trailer, and now this gt5 trailer. sony has misrepresented actual game graphics more than any other console this generation get your damn head out of the clouds
Bottomline: PS3 games make 360 games look like last gen games. There is nothing to do with hype or marketing, just facts Compare Halo 3 to MGS4/Uncharted 1, Halo Reach to GoW3/KZ2/UC2, Forza 3 to GT5.
haha, what? no one even mentioned the 360. get the fuck out
i think the only difference isn't the resolution of the water, but the fact that it is all motion blurred (as are the wiper blades) in the trailer. could have come from a replay mode for all we know, where such processing would be present.
I do agree though, do not show an interior view of a car in a trailer that is coming from a replay mode that is noticeably better looking than the actual game itself when being played. that only builds false expectations. the whole photo mode screens and replay videos in all of these racing games these days is all smoke and mirrors to cover up the real in engine experience you get when actually driving the car. forza was by far the worst, actually subbing out the entire car models in replays with higher resolution models, but every other racing game out there these days is guilty of it.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again. GT5 has obviously hit some major problems.
My guess - They decided from the start to use the GT4 engine they already had and upgrade it.
From the looks of it that was a bad choice. There are obviously problems that the engine has with textures and near-track geometry.
Also I wonder if they are going to fix the screen tearing. It can get quite severe on the city courses.
Still a great game non the less. The physics seem spot on.
My two suggestions to PD?
1) Do something about those placeholder textures that are meant to represent trees and rocks just off the track.
2) Create a range of stock internal cockpits, maybe 20 or so, to suit rough gemoetries and styles of the standard cars and use an algorithm to assign random colour codes for each standard car.
Better something than nothing.
Also I cant wait for the DLC.
Textures and near track geometry should be nobody's concern. Who cruises past these at 12kmp/h to check this stuff out anyway?
I agree with you for the most part. I think what happened here, was they were trying to keep the games at 1080p 60fps and also keep 3D playable. In the end the PS3 hardware wasnt good enough for their vision.
Remember the comments from them few weeks back saying, PS3 hardware has limited them. Those comments probably came out to make the fans mentally ready that the game will not be as to what they were showing in the trailers and thats exactly what has happened.
If they had some more leg room with the PS3 things would have turned out as per their vision. Due to limited hardware They had to cutdown on stuff like foilage etc. The standard cars looking bad was plain laziness i would think.
Bottom line current consoles are showing their age, not only in multiplats where they are getting beaten by entry level PC hardware, but also in terms of exclusives they just dont offer the juice devs are looking to create what they originally intended.
This only reinforces what Keiji Inafune, head of global research and development at Capcom, said back in September “I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyone’s making awful games; Japan is at least five years behind the West.” The fact that they're still using the same techniques they used on GT1 & GT2 on GT5 is just sad. Honestly. There's no progression. The Japanese are too traditional for their own good.
so of you nerds should actually play the game before comments, gt5 looks great, standard cars and all. seems that some of you are broke azz posers, whom believe in everyone else's decisions. when any of you want to race....psn southpaw79
I've put between 8-10 hours into it so far...the graphics are a mixed bag. I am also wondering how much they had to give to be able to get a tick against 1080p (albeit not true 1080p) and 3D support. quite honestly, I would have preferred 720p with a rock solid 60fps and no screen tearing. Oh yes, a minor thing, ditch the head tracking till its actually of some use and can be done right. One of the things that sticks out like a sore thumb for me is the low res reflection textures. They are positively terrible and suffer from pop-in which is quite distracting.
I must admit, I played a game in the rain for the first time today and was shocked how different it looked to the trailer- it does look like very last gen effects.
Well god only knows what they were using to render that trailer, it obviously had to be curtailed inorder to ensure the game ran at 1080p and 60fps(which also is not currently happening as frame rates dips in many scenes).
When you see that : http://img.nyleveia.com/201... The only word coming is : shame... Lies, lies just like Turn10 did.
Very interesting image. but from where you people get all these images ?
sorry m8 but that just shows how much you have played it if at all. The weather conditions get more extreme the higher you rank up. but then of course you knew that right ? the amount of bullshit being spread about this game is unreal, why does it threaten you that much? back to gt5 bye
@lvl40 you unlock tornadoes? lol
Stop with your lies!!!! damnit!
Sad. Those reviewers have to “look” for failures in the grass, to nitpick the game. In the GRASS. Look ! There is an imperfection in the cells of my skin ! Approach the microscope lens and you’ll see, come closer. Haven't you guys watched any youtube leaked gameplay videos showing the rain as it really was ??? For me it always looked quite alright. No one was complaining about the rain back then when the leaked gameplay videos showed up. Why are you complaining now ??? Too much jealousy ?? The worms inside your guts are moving too much ?? Take your daily vermifugals and hold on. It'll pass in a few days.
Did you actually click the link to the review - the dude who wrote it has practically every GT game that came out, including a retail copy of GT5, what exactly is he jealous about?
i had my concerns for gt5 but having bought the game along with a driving force gt wheel i have to say its astounding how good the game is. oh and all the pc geeks in here go and take a look at ur prised pessesions i racing and r factor, now theres some last gen graphics lol
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