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Dan Hsu Fans Flames of Killzone 2 vs Halo 3 A.I. Debate Further

Dan Hsu had this to say about the latest reaction to the EGM awards that sparked a recent controversy:

"A lot of different message boards are blowing up over the E3 awards in the October issue of EGM (with Silent Hill 5 on the cover). Specifically, some people are crying foul over our decision to give Halo 3 the "Lil Award" for Smartest A.I. and Killzone 2 the award for Dumbest A.I.

Bias! Moneyhats! Fanboyism! Well, it's been getting so much attention, I decided to answer my own FAQ about this, to help clarify how we picked those two games."

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toughNAME3699d ago

"but but its still in the pre pre pre pre-alpha stage!"

MikeGdaGod3699d ago

and anyone that tries to defend it is an idiot.......period

Jeremy Gerard3698d ago (Edited 3698d ago )

I have the magazine, in the same article they also bashed Too Human, a huge 360 title that is unreleased, so all the claims of bias is bogus, no 360 fanboys are crying because Too Human got trashed, why are you PS3 fanboys so annoying to the gaming community, why are you all so insecure? How come the other two consoles fanboys don't live for MS and Nintendo the way you freaks absolutely live for Sony? What a bunch of losers.

TheSadTruth3698d ago

It's because the people that bought the PS3 didn't buy it for games, they bought it because they are loyal to the Sony Brand, while most Wii and 360 owners buy it because they liked the games offered.

They need some reason to justify wasting $600, so they come to message boards and news sites and take everything personal. Kids will be kids...

i Shank u3698d ago (Edited 3698d ago )

agreed man, i noticed that yesterday in Meus Interpretations post and pics that Too Human was getting trashed, but he didnt mention a word about what they said for Too Human, and the full picture of it was cut off. probably because if in his pic the trashing of a major 360 game was shown, it would have ruined his bullsh!t comparo story

Nigglet3698d ago

I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU. I got a bunch of retarded comments from people who convinced themselves that they knew something about these consoles who acted like it was outrageous and some ignorant kids even said it was the dumbest comment they ever heard and so forth. That shows how pathetic sony fans are, here is SOny themselves talking about their GPU and AI http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Ma... I feel embarrased often by the inteligence of people on this site. So I will say it again, xbox will always blow away PS3 in the AI department BY FAR. Some of you idiots said I was retarded for stating the 360 has 3 GPUs even. What the F? How ignorant can you be? The 360 has 3 General Purpose cores which are needed for good AI, get it through your heads and accept reality. READ introducing the xbox 360 xenon CPU where it discusses the 3 general processors. http://www.anandtech.com/pr... You can't deny AI needs a general processor and you can't deny the 360 is at least 3x more powerful in the AI area than the PS3. As far as the levels in Killzone, they made the background in cut-scenes out of polygons and cramed texture in it to take up space like idiots, just to say it uses a bunch of space. Then when it comes to actually playable areas in the levels the PS3 has to load them separatley!! and when it did the game stuters and has frame rate issues!!! LOL!! They spent all this time making the background take up space and the game can't even run the playable levels as smooth as last gen games. They devs even admitted that the playable portions of the levels had to be loaded as you went, just like all games, although most don't stuter and have issues with it, making killzone levels WORSE than average as far as smoothness and textures and polygons being implemented during gameplay. THe game is only 30 FPS and only 720P, thats close enough enough to 1080p amd 120 FPs isn't it? LOL! The point is that the levels load as you go just like all games and it does this worse than most games and the extra texture is just BS so sony can say this is not possible on a dvd. The devs say that they are still working on making the loads seemless like they are in most games, but come on, a game trying to bost huge levels is having slow-downs and frame rate issues due to loading problems at checkpoints? http://www.psu.com/2GB-leve... Spare me the BS and just make a game that runs smooth instead of a bunch of pointless polygons in the back of a cut-scene.
By the way, the demo for this game is supposed to be out the same time as halo 3 so you can stop making excuses about it not being done yet. Here is more info on the stutters and freezing during loads, also most games do not have these issues anywhere near this far in development. http://ps3.gamespy.com/play... this article was about an earlier biuld and guess what the problems where still there even the last build shown.

reaferfore203698d ago

I agree with you scotty. This is stupid. When the demo comes out then you can compare A.I. Or *gasp* wait until both the games have been released. EGM is crap anyways. This isn't news.

Gamespot-equals-EGM3698d ago

Always saying something controversial (usually anti-ps3) just to get attention. The guy is shameless and he has almost no jounalistic integrity.

dantesparda3698d ago

What a 360 fanboy get together on these first posts. Its always funny to me, how big of fvcking hypocrits you's are. How you's gonna call anybody a "fanboy", when you's are obviously super-big fanboys? what kind of stupid hypocrisy is that? Anyways, continue on with your "biased a$$ fanboy hating".

spammy_nooo3698d ago

i had a long comment written, but i figured id dumb it down for you and say that, if the ps3 was really THAT impaired A.I.-wise, it wouldn't be able to handle 360 ports. im pretty sure sony knows at least the rudamentary priciples to hardware/game design so that they wouldnt make a game system that cant think properly.

in case your wondering, the rudamentary priciples thing was a 'smart-a' comment. of course they know what they are doing.

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FirstknighT3699d ago

UGH! Just more whining and crying from the sony fanboys!

Bathyj3699d ago

Has if you wouldn't be if one of your precious games were attacked without warrant from someone whose supposed to be professional.

You're whining and crying right now about people who are whining and crying.

FirstknighT3699d ago

"Has if you wouldn't be if one of your precious games were attacked without warrant from someone whose supposed to be professional"

IT HAS! Halo 3 was slammed by critics because of its graphics. But we all new it was in Beta form and knew it would improve. Recent screenshots and video has shown a big improvement from the Beta. You didn't see us get all pissy like the sony boys.

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Hatchetforce3698d ago

No not whining and crying but instead a harsh look at their practices which are flawed. Since an unfinished game that has not been released cannot be Game of the Year, then neither by their reasoning should either game, HALO3 or KZ2, been allowed in that category.

Their logic is flawed and the fact he has a platform to attempt and vainly defend it in no way makes it correct.

fenderputty3698d ago

Yeah ... so then what does that make you? It brings you to the level at which you despise so much.

BTW ... find me a post in which I talk smack about Halo. YOu won't find one. So just STFU.

Kratos123698d ago

"IT HAS! Halo 3 was slammed by critics because of its graphics. But we all new it was in Beta form and knew it would improve. Recent screenshots and video has shown a big improvement from the Beta. You didn't see us get all pissy like the sony boys."

Not a lot of ppl complained about that because the graphics were indeed bad for a next gen game. And since the beta was released the graphics wont improve a lot in the final version. The only differences we will see from the beta are framerate issues and bugs taken out!!! They dont release a beta to get a feedback on graphics!!!

And also comparing an alpha build to an almost gold game is really smart. And when it came to graphics the dumb a$$e$ put a PLAYABLE in brackets. Why not compare the AI for a PLAYABLE game. Just goes to show the bias.

i Shank u3698d ago

dude. you people who stick up for ps3 so much over this, seriously guys whats your deal. The article NEVER DIRECTLY COMPARES HALO to KILLZONE 2. YOU ALL ARE MAKING SH!T UP! THEY ALSO TRASH TOO HUMAN WORSE THEN THEY DO KILLZONE! AND THAT GAME COMES OUT NEXT YEAR AND IS IN ALPHA STAGES TOO! AND NONE OF YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR "PRACTICE" OF TRASHING UNRELEASED GAMES WHEN IT COMES TO TOO HUMAN? WHY? BECAUSE ITS A 360 GAME, and all some of you care about and see is PS3! DOUCHEBAGS!

MarioFromTexas3698d ago

Halo3 still looks like Sh1t and has the worst animations...Anyone that has played Halo2 will tell you that the A.I. is average at that...Resistance has by far the best and most aggressive A.I. in a FPS. I'm not just talking crap like you xbots, I have played games from both consoles and don't base my opinion on what I read but what I have played. I seen videos of Halo3 when the brutes just stand there and get run over by the warthog. Halo is not about A.I it's about multiplayer and it's funny how you xbots run to defend it. What's so impressive about Halo A.i. nothing it's your average FPS game.

You can say all you want about Killzone2 and you haven't played, but I have played halo1 and halo2 and halo2 A.I. is not as good as these dumbazz make it out to be...Play resistance and then come back to me on the A.I....

reaferfore203698d ago

Why do you always start flamewars firstknight? Your comments always instigate "whining" from "fanboys".

reaferfore203698d ago (Edited 3698d ago )

Why do you always start flamewars firstknight? Your comments always instigate "whining" from "fanboys".

Sorry double post.

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Bloodmask3699d ago (Edited 3699d ago )

the XBOX 360 will always outdo the PS3 in the AI department. It can dedicate a full core just for AI unlike the PS3. Not to mention that it has superior multithreading.

Just listen to what Ubisoft had to say about the new Splinter Cell: “It’s NEVER gonna come out on the PS3 or the Wii.” It’s a logical decision. Nintendo’s console simply doesn’t have the graphical horsepower, and he candidly told us how the PS3 can’t handle AI nearly as well as the 360.

shoota333699d ago

Wow you really dont have a clue about what you are talking about.i dont have time to flame you in a paragraph of typing so i will leave it up to someone else to make you see how stupid you sound.
"the XBOX 360 will always crush the PS3 in the AI department"lol
you really are a brainwashed fool.lol

Taker_1293699d ago

there are seven cores in the ps3, each one can be used for different elements with in games(ai, physics, animation, etc.) Where the 360 only has three so you need to get you fact straight before posting stupid things.

BloodySinner3699d ago (Edited 3699d ago )

And you're not, right?

DarkArcani3699d ago

WOW.... You know you can't listen to developers when they say one game cannot be done on one console vs. the other. Every developer that makes an exclusive says that. E V E R Y D E V.

It's like saying that resistance couldn't be done on the 360, which the devs said wasn't possible. You very well know that if any dev. really wanted to they could make any game on any console. MGS4 could be put on 360 and SC:Conviction could be put on PS3 with no differences (when not ported).
And you very well know that the cell is made for computing things such as AI and Physics. As I know the 360 CPU is made to do the same. They both just do it differently.

secret3699d ago (Edited 3699d ago )

1) What's your grade point average, really
2) What's the name of your school and highest degree attained (Is it a degree in computer programming or physics or science at all??)
3) What's your current income
4) How much money have you spend the xbox360 -- including internet fees, games, accessories, bluray player standalone or PS3, and HD-DVD player because the xbox360 didn't come with a bluray or HD-DVD player. We'll see if you're smart or just a consumer.

By the way, DVD isn't hi-definition or else we wouldn't need Bluray or HD-DVD. Almost all 360 people get tricked into thinking DVD is hi-def once you get an xbox360 because it can output 720/1080. Everything you mentioned above about AI is another trick Microsoft pulled on you. Remember the most recent trick of sending out refurbished or same stock 360's for your red ring of death console?

You want to end this console debate thing once and for all? Ask Microsoft (you have his direct line, don't you?? You can setup a borad meeting with all the Microsoft heads anytime you want right? You're not just some average joe, are you? Not with that kind of intelligence and knowledge about gaming consoles.) to raise the price of the 360 to the PS3 price. Yes, in fact, scratch that. Set all three console's price to the same level, and we'll truly see which system sells more, which system is truly better.

If Microsoft thinks it's system is truly better than the PS3, then let me ask you this question. Why is it hiding behind a low price like the Wii??

By the way, I own shares of stock in Microsoft. Been buying since I was a sophomore in High School. And guess what. I used some of the money to buy two PS3's.

And another thing. Regardless of what the PS3's graphics or feature set or AI or Physics or quality build is, that is OUR PROBLEM, NOT YOURS. You just worry about going to best buy to purchase your standalone bluray player and / or HD-DVD add-on and the yearly internet fees to argue and cuss and fight with your other xbox counterparts, since that's all your kind relaly likes to do - make people hate you.

Again, let me tell you something -- whatever the PS3's deficiency that you think it has, thanks for your concern, but that's our problem and an issue for PS3 owners to resolve and deal with, okay? Since we are the ones who bought the console, not you. You didn't buy one. Okay? We feel sorry for your mistake in purchasing the 360 and lack of understanding in consoles and mathematical analysis, but we didn't say anything, did we? We just let you play along happily with your piece of junk, letting you think whatever journalists and your friends tell you. CONSUMER.

sanderFVCKINcohen3699d ago (Edited 3698d ago )

I also, read an article longtime ago about some tech geek compareing 360 & PS3. He stated that 360 has bettter ai, because it uses the full potential of one of its cores, and has way better GPU. While PS3 on the otherhand, was more about how much detailed you can make a game and its power of doing great physics. There are two titles that are pushing ai on the 360, which are Splinter Cell conviction, and Fable 2. Also another title from Lionhead Studios, which is BC, and Tri Aces Infinite Undiscovery who are also pushing this.

-bootsielon

EDIT: Actually I seen that clip of HS with that whole army, but all they were doing was standing around stareing at her as if they were going to get some, and few button animations. So woundnt call that shet AI for nothing, especially claiming that they individually had there own AI...not likely, they were just standing there like a dynasty warrior game.

Bloodmask3699d ago

You win a bubble for not being a foolish lemming bc you are correct. AI is full of multiple branching pathways which the Cells SPU's suck at. No branch prediction.

eLiNeS3699d ago

Can KillZone 2 work on the Xbox 360? Because the Fony fandroids keep saying that and it's bull. There are more Fony fandroids so it is like a bull horn in our ears compared to our little squeakers.

For the AI slam, the Fony fandroids should be happy, this way the Dev will take notice and fix it. DO you think it will ship that way if the fandroids are crying about it. I don't think so or you wouldn't buy it.

I am sure the game will play well, but it won't be HALO 3, maybe Lair or better rating.

SlippyMadFrog3699d ago

don't try to sound smart dude

"What's your current income"
What does that have to do with anything? Britney Spears earns A LOT and she is REAL dum

"How much money have you spend the xbox360 -- including internet fees, games, accessories, bluray player standalone or PS3, and HD-DVD player because the xbox360 didn't come with a bluray or HD-DVD player. We'll see if you're smart or just a consumer."
This is funny. Do you list buying a standalone BR player or PS3 as spending money on Xbox360??? You know what is being a smart and not just a consumer, buying only neccesary things and not being forced to buy things you DON'T need. Most of the gamers out there don't have a HD TV but you force a blu-ray player on them. I'd rather CHOOSE if I want a HD-DVD player or not.

"Almost all 360 people get tricked into thinking DVD is hi-def once you get an xbox360 because it can output 720/1080."
How did you come to the conclusion that "Almost all 360 people" think DVD is hi-def? I think they bought a Xbox360 because they want to play HD games without paying $600 for a system with things in they don't need.

"Set all three console's price to the same level, and we'll truly see which system sells more, which system is truly better."
"If Microsoft thinks it's system is truly better than the PS3, then let me ask you this question. Why is it hiding behind a low price like the Wii??"
Please dude, you are getting ridiculous. Price is one of the factors that makes a system better than another system. Are you asking that the Xbox360 through away one of it's major advantages?

"By the way, I own shares of stock in Microsoft. Been buying since I was a sophomore in High School. And guess what. I used some of the money to buy two PS3's."
:/ What's your point? Are we supposed to feel intimidated because you own shares in Microsoft? Does that make your arguments valid? Plus, buying shares in Microsoft isn't the smartest thing to do, you don't get a high return.

"We feel sorry for your mistake in purchasing the 360 and lack of understanding in consoles and mathematical analysis"
I don't think buying a Xbox360 (at almost the same price as a Wii) and play great games like Gears of War, Halo 3 and Bioshock is a mistake. I think you are the one with a "lack of understanding in consoles" since you bought a console to watch BR movies and not play games with. And you bought 2 of them :/ There is $1200 dollars gone, why not also get a Xbox360 and get the best of both worlds?
"mathematical analysis" - LOL

I don't think you are grown up mate, I just don't believe it.

bootsielon3699d ago

Whatever you want to believe keep it to yourself. It has been proven that the SPUs can handle AI pretty well. In fact, they can comunicate between each other (they don't need the PPU to do AI). Heavenly sword handles 1000s of characters AI at the same time; it's an amazing feat however you want to look at it. IGN and Gameinformer praised Killzone's AI.

And by the way, you'd have credibility had your comments not been so biased in the past. Sorry.

Ri0tSquad3699d ago

Xbox 360 fanboys UNITE! This very entertaining watching you guys defend your console like you sold your soul for it. PATHETIC. I also had a good laugh at the guy who thought he could get away with Blu Ray is going down VERY VERY SOOn LOL good laughs good laughs your all comedians.

dantesparda3698d ago (Edited 3698d ago )

An "in-line" processor isnt nearly as good at branch prediction or AI as a "OoOE" is. And anybody who think that's any video games AI is good, is a complete and utter idiot. All AI is dumb, period! now get off these systems nuts! And Bloodmask, you are a super-fanboy, one of the worst on this site, get off MS' d!ck, and the same with that Elines guy (or whatever-the-fvck his name is)

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kingofps33699d ago (Edited 3699d ago )

"Actually, Shoe killed himself after last Saturday's Michigan football game. This is his ghost writing this"...

I though Shoe killed himself out of his own stupidity.

@Bloodmask
"the XBOX 360 will always crush the PS3 in the AI department. It can dedicate a full core just for AI onlike the PS3." LMFAO

The PS3 has 8-9 SPUs to do any given stuff, whereas you b1tch got only 3 over-heating cores. So, STFU :)

THUNDERMARE3699d ago

I found that the 3 over heating core sound kindda funny, no offense here 360 fan.

WilliamRLBaker3699d ago

and this actually got agree's? lol 8-9 spus? really?

*laughs hard* oh by the way if you did any research its the GPU thats comming loose from the MOBO on the 360 not the cpu.

THC CELL3699d ago (Edited 3699d ago )

Ok Egm judged a game before the 100% completed and people Bash it.

them who agreed with that as Stupid come on.

Halo 3 Vs Killzone
All i have to say well Killzone ftw nuff said

Halo will not get a higher rating than halo 1

Haze alone Kicks Halo 3 ai And that is true

rubarb233698d ago

"Halo 3 Vs Killzone All i have to say well Killzone ftw nuff said"
lol, is that a fact? and you base that on.....what?.....a couple of videos? killzone better than halo, isn't that what you sony guys said about the 1st killzone? look what happened to that turd.
look i'll be honest, killzone 2 does look visually awesome but to say it's going to be better than halo 3? ummmmm, i don't know about that one. visuals can only get you so far, lair anyone.
let's look at this way. guerilla, what game have they put out that's been amazing? what reputation do they have compared to bungie? honestly tell me.
bugie has released 2 halo games that regardless of what you and i think about them, have sold millions and have been critically acclaimed. this is a fact, regardless of your opinion. halo is a well established franchise about to explode with the release of halo 3.
so if you look at what each game has done and it's impact, saying something like killzone 2 being better than halo 3, is like saying true crime is better than gta - get my drift? same thing goes for comparing haze and it's ai. where do you sony guys get that comparison, in my opinion, haze looks like crap. i really hope it's exclusive to the ps3, it's just a wanna be halo game. only one elvis baby!
so to end this i really think this killzone/halo comparison should stop. killzone 1 blew junks, and killzone 2, well it will hopefully be a great game, fact is this has yet to be determined. halo is on another level, a successful one.