Nick from Lazygamer has started his play through of GT5 for the review and has stumbled across the most ludicrous inclusion by Polyphony. Not only are the standard cars pretty poorly modeled but they have gone out of their way to stop you taking in game photo's demonstrating how shoddy they really are.
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Still..it's about the racing, right? RIGHT? Who's with me?
hmmm, looks like a very poor decision on PD's part, I'm sure most would rather have less cars overall with more total premium quality cars.
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What does Forza 3 have to do with this? This is about something GT5 is doing. Personally im not a fan of either games.
@Capdastaro: I agree. There doesn't seem to be anything grabbing me by the balls and saying,"This game fuckin rocks!"
Maybe I should give it a week? It's been so long since a GT came out maybe I forgot what it feels like...
Seriously, I'd say that about 70% of my playtime in GT5 so far has been with the standard cars and I'm having an absolute blast.
Even if they each spend the claimed 6 months on each model(which i find hard to believe it takes that long), GT6 will have 500+ premium models in 18 months.
Turn 10 used a lot of contract work to build the forza games, and it did not hurt the quality of the modelling significantly. As long as contractors can model to a high enough standard under polyphony's direction, wouldnt you think it was a much better solution than copy and pasting old models?
they model eveything even the adjustable wing on the slr and veyron works they modeled the interior for cars and they had to design them so that the ai driver actually drives the with shifting and pressing petals forza makes the hand go off screen to shift
He understands how it works. I'm not sure where the 6 month number comes from, but that is way too high.
I have modeled a number of high detail cars for commercials and manufacturer websites, and it takes me about 150 hours for one car.
The interior eats up 90% of that time. This includes every detail down to the seatbelt buckles and floor mats; I don't think the GT5 cars contain this much detail though.
@ ct03, 150 hours is what, a month's work tops? Source from the main man himself. I understand perfectly how modelling works, i have done it myself. I can also understand that modelling to an extreme where you cant actually see the detail as you play a car in the game is a little bit futile. In order to see uber detail you need uber resolution anyway, GT5 manages better resolution than most but its possible more time is spent on the car models than is strictly necessary.
Im pretty sure a professional artist can do a good job in 3 months that'll stand up reasonably well against a 6 month model- especially playing in game where you arent as likely to actually see the minutae of details. Certainly with a couple weeks tutorial on the tools Polyphony use i imagine i could model something a great deal better than a 'standard' model with a couple months to do it. Give the tools to the community even and let them mod the game!
Nevertheless, Polyphony should rope in contractors to work on cars. It'll probably be the only way they can create a large number of 'premium' models- which in reality, should be a standard level across the game....
Process of upscaling cars from GT4 models probably differs from GT5 premium modelling by a lot so there's really no way to tell how many more premium cars there could have been without non premium models so its hard to tell whether the decision was right or wrong.
Game modeling is a little different than commerical modeling if youve ever do the two.
Now setting it up for the physics may take longer to get it just right.
The only way to get it right is to use tesselation and we all know the PS3 is not ready for that.
With that you just get the cad model export it over and do a difference map or normal/displacment map from it. That is like one day top. Nividia has tools for that and your programmer can make you tools for it also.
We are seeing the PS3 become dated before our eyes. Still looks good, but so much open GL tech could be used to fix so many problems in this game. Even the damage model can become more dynamic.
Man I can't wait for next gen.
Oh yeah happy holidays!
This GT5 FUD campaign is going waaaaaaaay too far.
I hate to tell you bud but that bottom game screen of forza 3 still looks twice as good as the standard cars in GT5, which make up 95% of the cars.
For anyone who wants to see a game screenshot of Dirt 2 on PC.
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Dirt 2 uses the same engine as GRID, Dirt 3 is using EGO engine 2.0, it is going to blow everything else away. GRID and Dirt also have the best collision physics in racing so you can stop fighting now.
when your driving next to a standard you cant even tell ..
lol at all these people in here whos not even interested in the game
you need games to play ?
@Nihilism "I hate to tell you bud but that bottom game screen of forza 3 still looks twice as good as the standard cars in GT5,"
nah not really
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forza and gt5 standards looks the same to me
However, looking at the bashing GT5 is getting, it's about the things that, for me, don't matter. And the fanboys on both sides are focusing on those irrelevant things.
For example... I've not see a single criticism about a lack of interesting tracks, or the driving / physics model. For me they are the important things. I've seen nothing that states that the couple of dropped frames and almost unnoticeable screen tearing actually affects the game play.
I really don't care how close I can zoom in to a 'used' car in the game to take a photo. If I want to take cool photo's in a game I'll either do it on the better looking premium cars, or fire up NFS:HP and crash the crap out of something. :)
Forza did not get this level of nitpicking. And the whole 'it took 5 years to develop' is a lame excuse to bash those minor things. PD (rightly or wrongly) focused their attention in certain areas to make the game they wanted.
Seems to me PD have created a racing platform that they will continue to update for the long term.
this game has brought the troll out of journalists like never before.
the good news is, those who own the game and are playing it know how much BS is in many of these articles.
This is like complaining that sony has given you 800 Eva Mendez's and only 200 Sagia Cataneda's.
In reality you wouldnt care if you got either of the 2 or 800 one of one of them, you would still be over the friggin moon unless you have serious issues!
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you know...800*6 = 4800 months of work for the game to be completed...
i.e :
400 years...sure each car had more than one person, maybe a team of 12 people? it'd still take 33 years to do all 800 cars at premium quality...
33 years...people want 800 cars at premium quality? wait for 33 years
fools...
this game is getting ass raped left and right.
where the hell does this happen.
i just finished playing it for 4 hours str8 and its freaking amazing. i just need a danm wheel i hope i can get one this black friday or somthing.
but people need to chill the hell out. this is not the 2nd coming,nothing is perfect. this game is amazing though. i got the ce and the chrome audi looks amazing. i drove a lot of standard cars and you dont even notice anything becouse ur usually driving fast.. becouse this is a racing sim..
A lot of backlash is because almost every game coming to the PS3 was suppose to be like PC level compared to the xbox. In reality it's a little better. Really good in some spots hey but I blame fanboys on both sides for this. Some sony fans where expecting ati realism demos I believe. No one got that which is where the backlash is.
Then their is the idea that the PS3 is so much more powerful. This game shows an edge but the price difference should have been 50-70 not 300-100 difference we are seeing.
Many people bought a PS3 expecting to see that level of difference in the platform. These are the same people that complaned about 100-300 dollar difference in permium GPU cards on PC.
Expect a lot of disapointment fanboys are not logical. On top of this many PS3 owners are xbox owners also so is a large portion of PS3 owners trolling their own system? Not likly...... they truely believed the hype it seems.
Look back in my post history over hype can be very dangerous.
They attempt to compare the premium cars to the non-premium when the non-premium cars even look better than any car on Forza.
LOL!
oldbox defense force in fullforce here...
800 cars look like PS2 and most premium look slightly better than F3.
is that they don't complain about the 45,000 polygon car models, the mediocre lighting, lack of weather effects, and atrocious interior view in Forza 3 which even lacks the basic repertoire of driver animations, or the pathetic car count and 30fps frame-rate in the Need for Speed games, the lack of variety in racing genres, etc.
But they are quick to point out and exclaim in false horror, although Yamauchi already said that PD would do precisely this, that the standard cars are brought over from GT4.
Remarkable.
All the FUD aside, here's the bottom-line:
The game with the most accurate simulation of what it's like to participate in the widest variety of races in the best cars on the best tracks is GT5.
Go back and read the reviews; everything you stated is opinion. The game won many awards and visuals were praised. It doesn't mean it looked better than GT5, but it does not look bad, and all 400 cars look next Gen.
First of all, they don't look like PS2 models. They look like Forza 3 models in comparison to the premium GT5 models. They just write "PS2 like" since that's more inflammatory even though it's more accurate to say they look like Forza 3 cars -- it's not like they are going to remember that Forza 3 cars look the same -- but instead try and compare it to some other PlayStation. PS2 is their only option. But in reality those cars look wayyyyy better than what's on the PS2.
Wtf people? This is just getting out of hand now. My god, yes the standard cars aren't as pretty. Yes like anyone else we all would love 1000+ perfect cars. It's just not feasible with the amount of detail they put on the premium cars. Get over it already...nobody is making an excuse for the fact the cars don't look as good. Why would you want to take pictures of a Nissan Primera anyways?
TO HELL WITH REVIEWS The game is being bought like crazy he in SA. I'm off sick tomorrow and the rest of the next week. THANK YOU KAZUNORI SEMPAI, my girlfriend is going to dump me because of you
All the press shots and preview screens and videos are of the stunningly created premium cars. So are far as everyone knows all the cars in GT5 are at that high level. Then we find out it has over a thousand cars. "Surely going by what we have seen, all the cars are at the same level of detail, after all that’s why it’s taken 5 years to make. Wow, that’s awesome!" a potential purchaser might think. So you can’t get mad when a few people i disappointed that only 200 out of 1000 are highly detailed and that the rest don’t even have a standard in-car few.
I’m not saying it’s a game breaker but you can see how it might bother some people. Especially since very few people are gonna drive all 1000+ cars, why not just have 400-500 premium cars instead? It gives the impression that PD was more fussed about the numbers. Quantity over Quality perhaps?
Before you flame the hell out of me, i’m just voicing an opinion. If you think i’m wrong that’s fair enough but i’d appreciate it if you could explain why you think 800 standard cars is preferable to another 300 premium cars? Surely it’s just for numerical bragging rights!
these car models went well above the bar for just doing thing properly.
Also try not to believe all the reviews that were released yesterday. None of them are reliable and yes even the 10/10 ones are unreliable because theres no way these reviewers gave GT5 a proper go in two days since they only released the review code to them on monday. Also online was only made available yesterday so these guys just glossed over that for their reviews. Theres no way you can review this monster of a game in 2 days. Its just packed with content. Wait for the reviews in a week or two that should have more credibility. I think Gamesradar heid their review back to give it more time and Giant Bomb is always very reliable so try them when they release their reviews.
Yep, right on. It's more about contrast rather than quality. Easier to nitpick your cheese burger when you main course is lobster and steak.
I am looking forward to getting the game next week but I really dont think the look of the game is anything to shout about. Turn10 did an amazing job with Forza 3 in the time they had to do it but I think PD tried to put too much into this game and ran out of time to finish the game off as Sony have made them rush the game out for xmas this year because the PS3 had no exclusives for xmas this year.
I just hope this dose not hurt the game too much as I know alot of people have got a PS3 just for this game and were expecting alot more from it.
That all said and done I still can wait to get my hands on the game.
releasing the BONUS standard cars was a mistake, people will just focus on that and ignore the premiums
remember PD:
next time, don't give us more than what we need, or else we'll sh*t all over it because we rather do that than enjoy the game =|
Next time don't annouce the damn game till it's close to being ready.
They look fantastic and the difference with the normal ones is just too... weird
200-250 great cars would have been perfect, but I guess the marketing power of "one thousand cars" was just too strong.
I wonder if this was Polyphony's decision or if it was some kind of requirement from Sony's marketing department
Dont even bother with GT5
we get it. The game only looks near photorealistic 75% of the time and JUST very good the other 25% of the time. Oh how this game is such a flopppp /*s >_>
80% of the cars look like PS2. It is a big deal. Forza has 400 cars total but they all look good.
Good point. I misunderstood your point.
They don't look like PS2 cars. I told you that in another post. What they are saying is that they look worse than the premium cars so in order to find a comparison they just pull "PS2 like" out of their butts. All you have to do is start comparing Forza 3 cars to the non-premium cars in GT5 side by side and you'll see.
Then, try it with a PS2 car on 480p LDC from GT4. Then, you'll see that the ones in GT5 non-premium look way better. It's just that by contrast the reviewers are just whining.
I think all that and listing to my own music beats in little thing, that doesn't effect my gameplay and looks awesome on a 40inch led.
theres plenty of premium cars
I want higher resolution shadows, less screen tearing, and motion blur while driving. Great looking game, but I don't care about 60FPS. I care about my games looking as great as possible, which can really only be done with 30 FPS.
To be honest I'd like to have an option in the menu which lets me switch off standard cars altogether, and just play with the 200 premium cars. Unfortunately that's not possible.
The Geo Metro should have been a premium car! Imagine the cockpit in 1080P!