CVG: Codemasters has claimed that Sony's Gran Turismo 5 can't match up to the "adrenaline rush" provided by its own F1 2010.
codemasters(how about you combine grid,dirt and F1 into one game because than we will see some real content)
i feel like gt5's scores will not be as high as forza 3 just because every reviewer will keep comparing the 2 and will say oh gt5 doesn't have this or that
what's gonna be sad though is even with a 85-90 overall rating it will seel 10 million plus what forza hasn't been able to do in 3 games
Gran Turismo 5 is a champion decathlete with a bunch of pole vaulters thinking they're just as good.
@showtime I don't think it's fair to be upset with Forza getting higher scores. T10 had a smaller budget and less time and I think they did pretty well. Give credit where it is due, Forza is a pretty strong series. Imagine them with a bigger budget, more freedom, etc. Games should never be judged directly/solely with other games. It's unfair for other developers. GT just has higher standards. It falls victim to its own hype. For example. 200 premium cars is awesome, but for a game hyped as perfect people wont shake the feeling off that 80# of the cars are standard, despite the fact that there are 200 premium vehicles. People will point out the inconsistency of graphics, and it's fair to do so, especially with the way some people were hyping the game. Again, this is all in the contexts of the game itself. People seem to think that just because a game flops or fails to meet expectations that it's somehow a bad game, especially when people place those expectations sky high. It's not PolpPhony's fault that a vocal bunch on the internet would call it perfect. If people expect perfect, then they will be surely disappointed with even the smallest of faults. As for this article, CVG. Enough said
Give credit to Forza for what? 720p graphics, less detailed car models? Inferior physics and car handling in a so-called simulator? A last-gen damage model? Do a comparison for Forza 3 versus GT5 on graphics, content, feature, physics, AI, damage - the only section where Forza might score better is AI. Even damage, which is a weak point for GT5, is inferior in Forza where they use a damage modeling system which is last gen and picked up from Forza 1. The funny thing is, that the reviews I read dont seem to dispute any of the above, while dishing out the 85 scores.
Yeah CVG having been putting a lot of negative articles about GT5 in the last 24 hours, I don't see why they are so determined to try and beat down a great game. What do they get out of it, it's childish.
@thief Like I said, Forza had a smaller budget and less time. I think they did pretty well considering this, don't you? You compare it to GT which has a much bigger budget, took more time to come out, and had a stronger hardware (PS3). Certainly you can objectively give credit for a series that managed to score so well on less time, money, and limited hardware, can't you? There's no reason to take anything away for that. From what I'm seeing GT has inherent flaws to itself like any other game. People denying this tend to be the ones who expect it to score perfect and then get upset and bring in Forza. It makes no sense. I don't know much about racing sims but I do see that Forza was liked for its online, customization, single player, etc. Your opinion on the physics is just that-- an opinion. Others seem to love it. Like I said, GT has higher standards. It gets judged on its own merits/hype/expectations. Doesn't make it a bad score, just judged to a higher standard. No need for some people to freak out over the reviews
For some reason, PS3 games had to be judged on a higher standard than the other exclusives on other consoles...
Don't forget they(Turn10) have more than DOUBLE the staff 140vs 300+ not to mention they outsourced modeling work, So in manhours dev time would be very similar,
With IGN, they clearly stated "as a simluation 10/10". That is enough indication that they recognized the game to what it was DESIGNED to be in the first place. By this, they have openly stated that they do NOT give points based on simulation but by the total aspects that make up a "racing" game. Naturally Forza 3 gets the passes, because it is a fine balance between casual and hardcore. However, GT5 was designed from the ground up to be "exclusively" hardcore, hence we have been hearing reports from GT forums that both AI and DAMAGE are significantly apparent the more you level up. The effect is far noticeable when you drive the game with "professional" physics. And if you reviewed the game based on that (which I'm sure they didn't), then surely, the game would warrant a 10/10 as they have implied earlier. What bothers me is that none of the reviews I've seen seem to illustrate this? NONE! No progressive damage and AI as you level up, how is it a few GT players are able to point out that so-called "professional" reviewers couldn't? This may be another case of "ill-informing" the public. With that being said, a lot fans have every right to get pissed off at the score. -End of Line
No one cares about their limitations they had to work with...All gamers care about is the final product and that's what all games should be judged on.
@yut420 ,.. yes !! I agree!! It is that fucking good,.. my wife wants to beat me,.. :) game is good,.. and it is a sim:))) loool ,.. never thought that could happen in my house,.. seriously bro
I'm a GT Fan, but since when 720p is not enough? Last time I checked, Uncharted and Klllzone ran at 720p. Try to pick on other points.
Yea it is hype that kills most games. PS3 fans hyped this for years, just wait exc exc. Gt5 will kill all, 20 mil ps3s sold for it, cant tell if its real or a game. That kills it because its just a game, it cant do all that. Most ps3 games get hyped like this, uncharted for example, great game, not the best of this gen even. Too Human was hyped by the dev when they shouldve shut up and let people know it wasnt dmc it was a loot drop game. Enslaved dev ran their mouth and people didnt buy their game(unfortunatly it was amazing). Hype will destroy a game whether from dev or from fans.
"gt5 is a phenomenal product" :)
I've never played F1 2010 but I do know that playing GT5 with a race wheel is phenomenal.
CVG needs to stop with the flame-bait.
lol... are they kidding??? F1 2010 is just too sloppy. it slips even when u r at 4/5 gear. u can hardly "feel" the cars... have u driven F1 in GT5P? the darn cars start wobbling as u hit the top speed... u'll have to hold the wheel tight just to keep them on road. granted i like F1 2010 but man they are far behind PD. Codemasters' replay is even worse. the car's wheels half the time in air. Codemasters should learn a thing or two about car behaviour from PD.
GT5 >>> F1 2010 In terms of Graphics.
In terms of graphics?
In terms of everything.
F1 has bugs, poor wheel support, frame rate issues, video tearing, and wasn't even that challenging on expert level.
GT5 is amazing.
Been playing it all morning. Went to bed at 3:30am after playing it last night. Media is garbage. All PS3 consumers on the net knew this is how the reviews would happen. PS3 exclusives are given unrealistic expectations (media created) and unless it's asolutely mind boggling, they nit pick at each and any fault they can find. If they can't find any they make up shit to bitch about. The trees, what it could have had or should of had as far as options or features, yadda yadda and so on and so forth.
GT5 is amazing and easily my favorite racer this generation and again I have played them all. Most of them on both consoles. Haters gonna hate, gamers gonna play the best racing game made this generation, Gran Turismo 5.
Thanks Codemasters for the objective information, I sell my copy of GT5 now and rush out and buy two copies of F1, in case one breaks.
F1 2010 is a fantastic game for those that haven't played it.
A few hours in I belive its true, unfortunatly :(
That could very well be true, but keep in mind Gran Turismo 5 is a racing sim: emphasis on SIM. Most racing games can hardly compete with the amount of depth GT5 has packed in it.
Actually F1 2010 is a game that was fundementaly broken, dunno if it still is...i waited four years for a F1 game only to be dissapointed as Codemasters robbed my money. The Cars in F1 do not exist, there just placeholders made to think your actually racing against opponents. The lap times dont add up to the speed the computer controlled cars are going round the track let me give you an example... http://www.youtube.com/watc... The cars on track do not exist. End of. The timings are faked. Its not a glitch, its a design choice, because there lazy...simple. Of course, this wasnt an issue for IGN, CVG etc, because it didnt have the letters/number GT5 in. Now any adrenaline, excitement is completely gone from this game.
. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... peripheral vision ftw!!
And you can't match the quality of garbage, play Operation Flashpoint and TELL me that's a finished game.
Operation Flashpoint is the best racer ever lol!
It's a better racer than it is a first person shooter.
That tripple dislay does indeed look excellent.
But why are people comparing f1 games now to GT5,lol.
GT5 does alot more drive wise. GT5 has the best drive model there is.
F1 on consoles is 30fps.
Oh and btw for the people who are idiots. The full damage in GT5 comes in the later stages.
you would have to compare gt5 to multiple games seeing that it has different racing types! Is it safe to say a game that focuses on a certain type of racing could turn out better in that area? Gt5 could possibly spread itself to thin.. or not..
"The only adrenaline rush I got through owning F12010 was driving it back to the shops for a full refund.". One of the user comments from CVG. I fuuuuuuuuuukin LOL'd
its incredible how much this game is getting attacked .. and i was expecting this to happens from REVIEWERS and fanboys but other devs aswell? wow.. GT5 is bigger than i thought
onlything dissapointing is that even though people are comparing gt5 to forza 3 its not what thier thinking everyone been riding soo high on gt5 that thier actually comapring this to real life and forget that its just a game and ps3 only does everything
oh and code masters s.t.f.u gt5 has many different race types who buys f1 race games
I guess I'm the only one who still plays F1 Championship Edition (PS3). Wut up wit dat?.
FFS why can't people just STFU and have keep comparing games? I know both games are racing games but dammit they couldn't be any more different. Formula 1 cars get millions and millions and millions of dollars poured into the making of it and they are some of the fastest cars in the world. Gran Turismo is more realistic and isn't just limited to certain types of cars. I love Formula 1 2010 and yes it does provide for a lot of adrenaline rush because I personally love F1! Gran Turismo fans will love Gran Turismo because they personally love the driving simulation part! That in itself is adrenaline rush for many gamers!
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