Sony's motion control offering has made a modest start at best, says analyst
can I filter Pachter bullshit on n4g somwhow?
lol pedrobear Good one. And I don't get it, Pachter has been accused of being wrong all the time including from all the hardcore 360 fans. All of a sudden his words are now gospel to them.
I appreciate the fact that he is one of the few people who takes the games industry seriously enough to be an analyst for it. But i really have to wonder sometimes how much effort he puts in. He clearly does not have good sources for even the most basic information, I criticize in the hope that he becomes better.
almost always predicts the opposite.
patcher's word > sony's word? wow...never knew =P seriously...if you as an "analyst" have a show on GameTrailers.com you can NOT be taken seriously...
that because he the only person that can make them happy :)
"one of the few people who takes the games industry seriously" He found a niche where all other "serious analysts" have even less of an idea what's going on than he does. Free ride to cash in for him. That's all this is. I think in any other market if you come up with BS like this all the time, you'd be out of your job in no time. Only in Gaming. (I should put a (tm) there...that's catchy).
I see more PS3 fans talking about this than 360 fans. And the 360 fans like "Omega" don't don't even mention him. You guy are becoming paranoid. When there is no hate to lay on M$ you make stuff up to make Sony look like a victim. Have you stoped to think that just may be he has access to the real numbers? He is a major finacial analyst. Where he is always wrong is in his predictions. I wouldn't be so quick to doubt his knowledge of the actual numbers though.
I don't think anyone takes Patcher seriously, but then again, he is kinda like VGChartz. People only take that seriously when it says what they want to hear! Happens all the time... Fanboy: VGChartz sux, so fake! VGChartz: Your console sold the most this month! Fanboy: See, I told you we were on top! At least be consistant guys...
I'd rather read about my daily horoscope than this Patcher's "predictions". Horoscopes can be at least useful.
@Bigpappy Is Omega right below here talking about numbers? lol
So how exactly does Pachter know what Sony's expectations for Move were? Did he sit in on those meetings? Did Sony send him a memo saying "Hey Mikey! Just wanted to let you know we're pumped about Move and should sell 3 million in the first month, boy howdy!" You've got to wonder how he figures it was below expectations. Sony says that Move has "greatly exceeded expectations." So who do you believe, the company that knows the exact numbers and what their targeted numbers were in the first place or the guy just making predictions based on his own research?
Somehow SONY feels otherwise. Pachter is a tool. The pressrelease http://www.igarchive.com/re...
Kevin Butler said Move is doing great in November 2010 over 8 MONTHS AGO!!! http://www.youtube.com/watc...
In fact he said quite the opposite, the complete opposite, so either this site is twisting his words or he messed up on one of them.
are things expected to sell so fast. With a credit cruch and christmas approaching people dont have the cash spare anymore. I do expect to see an improvement in moves sales just before or just after christmas
believe who you want to believe I guess, love the internet. http://n4g.com/news/647519/...
I think they just had extremely low expectations. You can't be selling less than Microsoft Points and be exceeding good expectations.
Could you please explain to me the logic of comparing a virtual currency with a controller? I would understand if it was Move vs Kinect or MS Points vs PSN cards, but you are comparing completely different products with different purposes. MS points are used to purchase a variety of goods from the online marketplace, while Move is used for motion gaming alone. It's as if the president of Toyota went to a board meeting and said "Ok, in 2011 we are going to sell more cars than Coca-Cola will sell drinks". Share holders would be shrugging at the randomness of that statement, as those are completely different businesses. You just can't underestimate the lengths some fanboys are willing to go in order to find the most logic defying arguments that support their spin on the facts.
Are people like Zir0 and Omega really comparing sales of a totally optional controller to a mandatory-to-play-online subscription?! Are people on here really that stupid? That's like...a new level of apples and oranges that I haven't seen before. Wow.
because they are the same price range, aimed at the same purpose and so on.... oh wait, that's just BS! nvm then
@anazagi the difference is one is by Sony and one is by an independent industry analyst, HUGE difference, I think it pretty common knowledge that Move hasnt sold relatively as well as kinect whether or not that is below expectations is another matter plus Microsoft they are making more money from each unit sold so even if it has sold less units, revenune will most probably be higher
the same analyst has proven to be wrong on multiple accounts as well. So who exactly are you going to go for? Me? Neither one.
With a 500M add campaign? Factored these cost in, too? They must sell way more to recoup those costs.
"Microsoft they are making more money from each unit sold" Did you already forgot about the half billion dollars campaign? If they really sell 5 million kinects it will be 100$ per kinect as a cost. + 56$ estimated cost of the parts Add manufacturing costs, packaging, R&D, shipping, retailers margin, post-sales and others.
Don't forget Kinect software sales along with hardware sales from the Kinect bundle. You can probably chock up increased software sales for non-Kinect games to play on the new console sales too. If the new console bundle owners buy a Live subscription it will be more increased revenue. Having an advertising budget became a bad thing when? It amazes me when people blame advertising for increased sales. Isn't that the point of advertising? -Death
"the difference is one is by Sony and one is by an independent industry analyst" And who matters the Most Sony or the idiot who gets nothing right hmmmmm tuff one there. "HUGE difference, I think it pretty common knowledge that Move hasnt sold relatively as well as kinect whether or not that is below expectations is another matter" And once again SALES=/=Quality please get this through your thick skulls Move has the potential to produce top quality games in all categories shooter/FPS, action adventure, RPG, platform ect, ect but Kinect seems to be only good for a few types that would alow it to work well sorry to say Sony knows what they are doing and cares allot more in the quality of there games. " plus Microsoft they are making more money from each unit sold so even if it has sold less units, revenune will most probably be higher" Really!!! I don't recall Sony or M$ ever revealing how much they make on every system sold care to show us some proof on this please.
Death, you make a good point. I know marketing campaigns have different effects. Some of them are indirect sales, some of them are brand perception which could be good in the long term, some are less sales for competitors, etc. But all this is not easy to weight in. Microsoft and most companies nowadays need to balance short term budgets, and what i am saying reminds strictly correct. We just don't know exact numbers. But Kinect needs to sell much more than 5 milion to be profitable.
move so far has sold just as much as kinect in us, plus its selling more worldwide, i have 90 odd friends on xbox live, 1 person out of them all has kinect.
Move has sold more than 2.5 million, so Kinect has not out-sold Move in any way or form.
move is done.
Just like when the PS3 was "done" after being down 8 million units? Riiiiigghhtt.
The ps3 is dommmmmmeeeeeeedddddd, isnt that right shady..... ROFL. Go back under the bridge troll.
Going into 2011, Sony is still in third place worldwide in console sales. The dominance they held for over two console generations is definately done. Sony never would have removed the features they have or cut the retail cost of the PS3 in half if they were where they wanted to be. -Death
i think in this motion war.. kinect is the underdog... was more bashed by u lot and the press... and released 2months after move had a 360-like free headstart.. so watch it fly pass.. like it was not a race.
HR won't outsell Alan Wake PS3 has no Games GOW3 sales will fail to impress post GDC, Move doesn't work well Ps3 has no games Move has no gamez sigh add one more to the list of wishful thinkers
Move is done and soon. Kinect is rocking!!!!!
Why does every little thing pachter say get posted as news,am I the only one that is so sick of the pachter says this and pachter says that, when at the end of the day he predictions are about as good as Americans can play cricket. lol
Sony wants move to sell well over time. They did not market Move as Microsoft did market Kinect. I think if you look at sales of Move in a year they will profit Sony excellent and be a success. Remember, some of the bigger hardcore titles with Move support isn't out yet. I'm not a big motion controller guy, but once KZ3 and Socom is out with Move support I will strongly consider Move. I think more feel the same.
What's with everyone saying move isn't really marketing? i see move commercials every commercial break. They're also tons of move and time crises banners on gaming websites. Sony is trying,lets not kid ourselves.
They are marketing Move as any other product. I never said they weren't marketing, ofc hey are. Just compared the intensity of the marketing of Move vs. Kinect where Microsoft is treating Kinect as a new hardware launch. It's a big difference. I might be playing KZ3 with a controller yes. But I haven't tried move and It might be fun to mess around with.
I see lots of move commercials. I see about 5 a day where i have only seen one kinect commercial. Might be the channels i watch but sony tends to flood the tv with ads. Every game i see a k butler ad, ive seen 3 different move ads so far.
lol wtf are you watching exactly?
Before Move launched PS3 fanboys said the current so called "core" support for Move would be enough. I guess it's back the the same old song and dance of "wait" 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and on and on.
You're singing the same song an XBox fanboy would sing so how are you any better? Edit:I guess I must have mistaken you for one of those people that believe PS3 fanboys are the scum of the earth a.k.a. a 360 fanboy. I apologize if I offended you in any way. I guess you're not a 360 fanboy after all.
i'm sorry where is your core support for kinect again ? don't begin with dans central ..it's as core as just dance on wii
I don't remember typing that anyone was better than anyone. Do you see that up there ^^^ anywhere?
@Xact I don't think, Heavy Rain, Res Evil 5, RUSE; with Socom, LBP2 and Killzone 3 in the pipeline, is a that bad for core support in the first few months. And Move has supposedly sold something like 4 million, with at least a quarter of those in the US. I have a Move controller, bought in anticipation of LBP2, and while I have never considered it for FPS games, or even for core games really, I will definitely try it on KZ3 and think it will make LBP2 level building much easier.
Move isn't PS3's "last grasp for air" move doesn't have to be an overwhelming success for the PS3 to continue living, move is just an "addition" to the PS3 library, another choice. thats what the playstation brand has always been about: choice. kinect on the other hand is a last desperate move...if Kinect fails, or isn't a "huge success", MS's "gaming division" could be shut down so...to compare move's relative yet modest success to Kinects absolute MUST success is silly sure they are competing indirectly, but one is just another addition to an already vast selection of choices another is a last breath attempt to keep an (unfortunately) old console alive for a couple more years...
patcher predicts what year it is and gets it wrong.people employ him as well.
There is life outside of America pachter and btw the life outside America are ones that are buying more ps3s and move
hey im not saying whether he's right or wrong but I certainly take his view over Sony's
"Move has 'sold well below expectations' - Pachter" I guess kinect too then....
Elena: "So what's a 10?" Nathan: "Clowns" Do you agree with Nathan?
What?? 3 Milion of Move Worlwide in 50 Days is a Flop ? LOLLLL
would you get site hits? :P
Americans love them xboxes.
Half a billion dollars to sell a camera. Versus Tumble in 3D. Ill take Tumble thanks people. Not to mention Kizzy 3 with Move support in 3D.
It is a strong statement but absolutely true. A $10 download title is better than the entire kinect launch line up.
I can't believe this guy makes headlines, as if he's some sort of gaming guru. He makes educated guesses and get money for it. Oddly enough, no one ever checks up to see if he was ever right, or even close to what he predicted. Personally, I think he needs to give his predictions to people who need to know, not the gaming community. What goes does it do me knowing that something sold well or something else didn't? The vast majority of gamers don't purchase stocks and never will.
Long live the Control Pad!!!
When did 1mill in the usa become not a lot? Less I check sony has reported 1mill in the usa. So I don't were this bs is coming from, heck sony has the numbers on their blog and facebook. Someone must not know how to read right. Black Friday is going to be all gt5's.
Patcher lives in Bizzaro world. Everything he says is opposite to reality.
Move is doing well though not as well as kinect but its a good product that sony wont stop supporting
'Move' just needs that killer app, then it will sell. Oh, and more TV ads wouldn't hurt either ;)
i just realized i dont care.