According to Codemasters CEO Rod Cousens, future games could be sold incomplete at retail, with mandatory downloadable content required to get the remainder of your newly purchased title.
It's happening now. Alan Wake Fallout 3 (Broken Steel) are two off the top of my head where the DLC completes the main story.
Assassins creed 2 had two DLC which were meant to be part of the story
AC2 was great game, lot's of fun but 'cause of cut chapters I sold it and never gonna buy anything Ubi(probably except Beyond Good and Evil next year and I am Alive if it'll absolutely rule). I was that pissed off. GTA4 was also incomplete. It was a step back in the series in terms of possibilities IMO. There are games like that...
... in which case it's not 'inconceivable' to mod/jailbreak my consoles and stop supporting these greedy bastards! I don't buy incomplete games. Ever. I just picked up Assassin's Creed 2 GOTY for 10 bucks orso (NEW) 2 weeks ago. It was a game I would have bought full-price if it hadn't been for the whole DLC-scam. Now they only made 10 bucks of me, instead of 50 or 60.
so... the idea is to sell the game cheaper but unfinished, and then DLC will both complete the price and story of the game? It's not going to work. The rate at which games fall in price these days is good, games sometimes fall to half price in just 4 weeks. Also more and more gamers are adopting the attitude of "I'll wait for the goty edition" specially when they know there is DLC being worked on before the game is even out. Why buy a full price game now for £40 and also buy 3 DLC at £6 each when I can just get the goty edition for £30 and it comes with everything.
They sold Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising incomplete and then you had to pay them for DLC that gave you features that were clearly stated on the original packaging and advertised as part of the original game. Codemasters can burn in hell. I'll NEVER buy another product from them. Vote with your money people.
Absolutely right, a lot of games need updates to fix the game, they're released a few days after launch and may only be 20-50mb, GTA4 PS3 had one, did Bioshock have one too? I know it's happened quite a lot!
You don't need the Alan Wake dlc to complete the story,it´s just a complement to the mai. story,like most dlcs. On topic,keep that stupid idea to yoursleves codemasters.
codemasters can keep their "incomplete games". You wont see me spending a penny on any of their titles, knowing that in next week of my purchase i have to purchase mandatory dlc. You know, when this next generation was being discussed one the 'many' highlights was dlc. I was under the impression it was going to be for free because many gaming magazines implied that it was going to be free; you already purchased the game anything els should be free. Plag and play3 (or what ever they called now) mag was so very wrong.
The hell? The main story concludes in Alan Wake WITHOUT the need for DLC. He saves his wife and defeats the darkness. BAM! That's that. The DLC is to tell us about what happened to Wake AFTER the events of the main game, and the battles he had going on in his head. Seriously, did you even play it?
Thanks for the spoiler, I haven't gotten around to Alan Wake yet. :/
"He saves his wife and defeats the darkness. BAM! That's that." Uh, what? I think you need to replay the game. The darkness was never real.
thanks for the spoiler you ASS. there are still those of us that haven't played the game. ass
This is hilarious, especially coming from PATCHMASTERS.
Yup, F1 was and still is incomplete, absolutely laughable.
Yeah, I was gonna say Codemaster's been doing this for years already.
Yes I played Alan Wake and the 2 DLCs. The DLCs CONTINUE the story, a.k.a., you don't get the complete story without them. There are major plot points in the DLCs. It's not like, say, Fallout's Mothership Zeta, where it's just a side story that has nothing to do with the main story.
*** SPOILER ALERT *** If you finish Alan Wake and lets say play the new version of Alan Wake whenever it's released you will find that the DLC had nothing to do with the story. The Alan Wake DLC just gives you another point of view to what you already know and it's just going inside his head. By the end of both DLC you are back where you started at the end of the original game thus making it just an expansion not an integral part of the story.
F1 2010 was already sold incomplete lol. I think before threatening incomplete games they should at least try and release finsihed/complete/playable games first. r.
lol, the industry has been doing it for years already..
Broken Steel was completely unnecessary. The first ending for Fallout 3 was satisfying enough and it appeared you handled the Enclave and saved the DC wasteland.
I think the best example that they are talking about is what MS did to Fable 2. When MS released for download they divided the game into chapters.
Sell me 1 incompleted game and this will be the only time you are selling your games to me...
Pillville I disagree with Fallout 3 but I think the biggest incomplete game so far has got to be Starcraft 2..
If I remember correctly these asshats sold op flashpoint dragon rising to me as a finished game last year when it hardly worked and had all sorts of missing pieces they tried to sell as dlc. Fuck off codemasters no more money from me ever!
I hate that. I refuse to buy a game that is knowingly incomplete, then I have to pay more for dlc to get the rest of the game. It's disgusting. Polyphony may have taken 5 years to make GT5 but I fully respect Kaz's decision that everything on the disc will be final and that it will be the complete game. This is where I miss previous generations of gaming. Because you knew when you'd buy a game, it would be the full game, signed, stamped, gold, done. Not some incomplete short bug fest that "they can patch later" and still charge full price for the incomplete mess at retail
And those people who are not online dont get there hole game? i mean aint half of xbox users online ? plus ps3 takes ages to download and update game data
it seems to be that some people are hoping GT5 gets some dlc in the form of cars/features already. http://www.gtplanet.net/for...
Cars in a way I can understand, cause it's an actual object they are still creating to this very day, so it makes sense that they'll be able to add in more cars from production. Features though...I dunno about that.
If they do so, they just lost a customer. Well, that's excluding the games I already buy "GOTY" editions of. (I'm looking at you, Bethesda.)
Me: "Not inconceivable" to stop buying incomplete codemasters games at retail...
I think that developers are starting to forget that it is us buying their games that put them on top and gives them their profit. Don't forget that we can just as easily boycott your games. You won't be so high and mighty when you release a game and only 100 people buy it. Don't screw with us.
Minecraft has sold like... half a million 'copies'? ... and it's an incomplete game! Not even beta yet. I wouldn't mind if they did something similar to minecraft. As long as the total price (game + miniDLCs) equals that of the new finished game...
Look at it like this also: Those that bought the game so far are helping out with the bugs and issues, among other things. The price we paid for on that is 1/2 of what the retail value he's going to put out for. Plus we aren't getting charged extra for the stuff he constantly puts in. In a way what you suggest could be a workable idea, but this is an independent person doing this vs a corporation. :p
WOW. It's just getting unreal =( They punish the good consumers because of the bad non-consumers, which in turn will turn more people into pirates. I BUY all my games to support these greedy companies but that will continue depending on their actions I suppose. F1 2010 has enough problems as it is and all they are worried about is getting out an "incomplete" version of F1 2011. I will say F1 2010 is badass, but it just may be the last CM game I purchase if this keeps up!
well i'm not a fan of their games anyway
That may be so, but if it set's precedent then more developers will go this route =( not good for us at all.
imo if games companies are going to release a game that is incomplete they should have to say it is incomplete on the packaging also it should be sold allot cheaper as it is incomplete and therefore not worth the normal full price of a complete game.
The prince of persia game from a few years back had this as well. Hell it even says it is right in the trophies for the game... pretty weak.
I've considered their games incomplete so far anyways. Dirt always felt like half a racing game. OFP, lol! Yeah that was a turd as well.
Oh? Is that what happened with the PS3 version of Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, Codemasters? That game has the honour of being one of the worst games I have ever played. TOTAL waste of 78 dollars and I returned it two days later. I still can't believe they released that game the state it was in.
I think all 5 hours game are incomplete, so we´re already see this thing happening.
So it will be like f2p games except worse because you bought the disc. Great. Protip to devs: If you're gonna be a micro-transaction whore just release the game f2p on xbla and psn. You will be the first, and you will still make lots of money despite the complaining.
The already did it with f1 2010. The bug list is/was stupidly long!
If game publishers believe selling incomplete retail games is the only way, then drop the retail game down to $20. If the game is really that good, then more gamers will be willing to buy the rest of the contents through DLC. It has been done with a few games sold as episodes over the years but I don't see this method is going any where. My opinion is too many games today are terrible after a few hours. And game publishers know that. If they sell the retail at $20 for 33% of the contents, maybe most gamers will stop playing at 30% or less into the game because the rest of the game aren't worth it.
Seems like codemasters have already experimented in this with Operation Flashpoint dragon rising.
And you thought Kotick was bad. at least he isn't planning to sell you incomplete games like this bunch of ****s Do it codemasters and I'll never buy one of your games again. Simples.
Micro Machines on the MegaDrive. Flashpoint was all Bohemia Interactive who went on to make Arma. Flashpoint 2 was an embarasment to the name.
This video from the great early 90's era PC game explains it all.
and it's not inconceivable that i never buy one of your frakking games ever again.
Sadly companies have been doing this for years, to varying degrees. Anyone out there buy Final Fantasy XIV? That's a prime example of an incomplete game being sold at retail! Yes the patches that are supposed to add the missing content should be free, but when you're paying $15 a month for what amounts to a beta then you know you;re being screwed. Sticking to the MMO genre, Age of Conan is another example of a broken, incomplete game being sold as a complete game. I could go on, but you get the idea. The idea is nothing new, all they are doing now is looking at ways to refine that idea. Instead of promising content at release all they'll promise you is the framework to run the game, you'll then need to purchase the content in chunks in order to play it. If/when it comes to that the gaming industry will plummet. They'll only have themselves to blame, but hey this is the real world, they'll blame the gamers and piracy for their problems ;)
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