So, after all this time, after all the delays, after all the fine-tuning GT5 has to be the perfect racer, doesn't it?
If this games meta is below 92, it will be a flop. Now intrinsically, 92 is an amazing score. But people have given it too much hype. Pretty declaring it the best game of the year far and away, with out even stating that its their own opinion. It's bar is said way too high for it too meet anyone's expectations. I hope it does very well or the backlash on N4G will be monstrous. Well, even if it does well the backlash will be monstrous.
If it doesn't score higher on meta than Forza3 poor Kaz will be suicidal.
I doubt Kaz will actually care about the meta score since, you know, he's a developer.
I doubt GT5 will get anything below a 90 review average. Sony has gotten better at keeping their games out of the hands of fanboy reviewers looking to just trash another PS3 exclusive. It's going to be very tough to for anyone to give the game anything but close to near perfect scores from what we know of the features, the graphics, the reactions from people who have played it.
a) the meta will quite possibly be lower than F3 (not by a lot) simply due to the overwhelming expectations everyone will have for the game b) what minskyM said c) Kaz won't be suicidal because I'm pretty sure to a professional like himself, the last thing he cares about is a number on a website what will matter to him is if he's satisfied with his product, and if his fans are satisfied with his product, and that will only be noticeable through user expression
Forza 3 was overrated and that's the main problem.
I was joking, I know Kaz wont even know what metacritic is, he will be too busy working on GT6. I just hope it gets the scores it deserves.
I really don't think either Gamespot, Eurogamer, or many other sites are as Xbox Fanboys as you think they are, Minsky. This is exactly the backlash I feel Chuck5 is talking about: either GT5 gets real high scores, or the media is biased. Just because they review some games the way you don't like them doesn't make them Xbox fanboys. This is always the rationale behind numerous people on here as to why a site is biased or paid off. Too many people quickly label an overall site as fanboys just because one or two reviews are lower than they want them to be. This is a petty way to play down a reviewer's opinion. That one reviewer who reviewed R&C was indeed stupid (I believe he was a sports game reviewer for most of the games he reviewed), and Eurogamer is just fine. They've both rated many PS3 games really high, yet all people need is one review they don't agree with it to bash it. They don't have anything to prove to people on N4G, but the people here are so eager to accept sites are biased at the snap of a finger if they don't get reviews the way they want. This is why reviews are so problematic. People don't like reviews, but they always expect games to get the scores they want, and then get upset if it is lower than they want it to be, blaming bias. Ironically they can be just as biased with their expectations. Edge on the other hand I don't particularly trust or care for.
@Minsky In Gamespot discharge, they had a change in staff (or at least that was what I read) so the guy of "too much variety" fame is not hurting Sony games at Gamespot anymore. GS has been pretty reliable since 2009. Come on they gave Demons Souls GOTY. EDGE is biased as fvk. It has been statistically proven. Cant say the same about EUROGAMER but I almost never agree with their reviews so I dont care.
I don't think Gamespot is a fanboy site. About the Ratchet and Clank review, that guy was wrong, and is not working for Gamespot anymore. The staff is better now. About IGNorant, Eurogamer, Edge, well, is another story, Gamespot is a lot better than they are.
Why is it those who throw the word fanboy around seem to be the most likely candidates of being one? All one needs to do is look into your comment history portfolio and judge for themselves. I guess me and others responding to you has done exactly what your intentions wanted and that was to give you your 15 seconds of fame. I predict some reviewers may feel the pressure to score it high out of worrying about the backlash of the vocal 'fanboys' as MinskyM puts it. Then we may have sites like Edge who want to be different from the mainstream and might score it low like an 8. I am expecting high reviews. This game is from a team who knows their strengths. The game may not reach 10s across the board due to maybe being the same old thing and not feeling finished with some cars having more detail than others and there may be problems with the damage system and weather effects. That may be nitpicky to some but after all of this time expectations are high. Especially coming from a team who expresses perfection time and time again and have said repeatedly they want this game to be perfect.
It helps to actually read the review instead of solely looking at scores. Review scores ALWAYS include the reviewers own bias. 9.7 to someone might be a 9 for someone else. On the other hand, the actual review gives insight on what the games strong and weak points. Alpha is correct in saying fanboys will call a review biased just by looking at the review score. If you actually read the review, you can call the reviewer a fanboy by the way he writes, not if you agree/disagree with him.
100% of the time. I have been gaming for over 30 years and I have yet to play a perfect game. Nothing but another sensationalist headline seeking hits with more nonsense and controversy. Why is it that so many PS3 titles are under the gun before they are even released? The only sale and opinion I care about is that of one, my own. I am already confident enough to say I am pleased with GT5 and I have to play. Why? I have never been disappointed with any game in the series (yet) and I'm not expecting GT5 to be the first.
ITS BEEN DELAYED 65 TIMES WEVE BEEN WAITING 20 YEARS AND THIS IS ALL WE GET ? blahh bahh focused too much on simulation ( kotaku)still havent got over that comment lol only reasonable thing i can see them downplaying it is for the standard not having cockpit view and older cars like 03- 08 and not many 2010 - 2011 cars other than that i give the game 97.9 out of 100
honestly, i just demand the game. Perfection is way to much to ask for because it implies it could never be improved on. For all we know, GT6 will be what GT5 should have been. So NO, i do not demand perfection but I do demand the devs do a good job to entertain me. It looks like that will be a solid YES.
NO.... I just want the same game with the same formula for this generation. That is all I care about. Don't ruin something that was already great. Just make it better. I believe that is what they worked towards and I can only think that is what they accomplished.
I think he should chase the reviewers with a Katana. On-topic: No i do not. I would be very foolish to expect perfection from any game. No game is perfect and that is the reason we have new games coming out. There is always room for improvement. What i expect is a great experience and by the looks of it i will obtain that experience so i couldn't care less. Also the waiting argument is still friggin' pointless. There is almost no-one that can claim that he played nothing else while waiting for Gran Turismo 5 since GT4's release so in reality no-one was really waiting solely for the game. In addition to that no-one complained when GT4 also took 4 years since GT3 to come out why should it be any different with GT5? *We had Tourist Trophy in 2006 don't forget so development on GT5 didn't really begin until then.
I give it a 6. ... out of 5. Of course, I haven't played it yet. Who knows, that 6/5 might jump to 7/5. :D
I think Kaz would be more suicidal if he'd released a product like Forza 3.
Another "does GT5 HAVE to be perfect because of the wait?" article? We've seen these already in sites from EG and GR to no name blogs and the tide's getting worse. Sites moaned about games like Alan Wake and Killzone2 and Too Human being a long time in development(and with less reason too, losing rather than gaining features like GT5 and not while the devs got other games out as PD have during GT5 dev)but NOTHING like GT5 has had recently and the chances of it getting a fair hearing at review seem distant at best even among some usually sane members of the gaming media-all three of them.
The unofficial official list of negative things reviewers will say about this game: - Took too long develop - They don't have all the cars I want - Too many cars - Not enough cars - Too many variations of tracks - Not eough tracks - The graphics are too real - The physics are too real - The driving's hard - Weather and Day/Night aren't in all tracks - Weather and Day/night are in the game - My Chemical Romance is in the intro - Load screens take forever - Damage model isn't real enough - Damage model shouldn't be in game - Grass is in 2D - My car I want is not in the game - Not enough features
I will not demand perfection. No game is perfect, because no human is perfect. I am just happy for what KY and PD have provided us with. Soooo much content, it's mind boggling. I won't know where to start. I am happy with GT5 in it's entirety.
did anyone else think of lubrication when they read sunny d's comment?
oh wait, its cvg.
I completely agree with you, I have the feeling that this is going to be nit-picked to death. This is going to fall victim to the fact that it's going to get reviewed upon the fact that it's been in development for a long time, not the fact that it's coming out at this time. I wonder if Rage is going to arrive under such pressure to be perfection. Considering that game also has had an incredibly long development cycle. Also, GT5 has only officially been delayed ONCE.
it doesnt matter how long the game has been worked on, theres gonna be things that people dont like about it, theyll be small and stupid though, i think its metacritic score will be a 97 to a 95.
we shall see what the results bring in 2 weeks. The next 2 weeks is gonna be some of the most nail biting in gaming for 2 fanboys. The fanboys hoping for this game to fail, or to be a critical dissapointment, due to mass hype And the Fanboys Hoping that this game will be a criticall success, after 5 years of waiting.
The way i see it is that im paying the same price for this game as i do with others so i dont see any reason for me to be able to demand perfection. If the game cost more than others (cough Black Ops cough) then i should demand perfection. Logical
Regardless of whether you think "XX site is teh biased" or not. You can be rest assured this game is going to get MASSIVE amount of reviews. I just worry that the "no-named" unknown hater site would have a go destroying the average. -End statement
It's gonna be amazing...im just waiting to see how IGN/G4 are going to manage to nitpick to the highest level of analism to find flaws...lol
is they stop this gt5 smear campaing i mean cmon people are trying to bash an unreleased game
Well i have to admit, I am a little jealous. But, im buying what I can, so NFS:HP, here i come! @MINSKYM - Been trying to do that, I've got at least 20 cons so far.
Yet you havent played the game, and it looks like you wont. GT5 is the most feature packed racing game ever and pushes the bar in innumerable ways. It would extremely lame, people judge it for things it doesnt have and forget about all the content it provides. One other thing is if games are meant to be judged based on the amount of time in development probably AW, DK Forever and Starcraft II should never score more than 5/10. None of those games are packing better value for the money than GT5 and all of them has been (or were) in the making/expected for a lot longer.
I won't tolerate anther 94-esque forza, less than 97meta, it's unjustifiable.
after 5+ years in the making you can only demand perfection or something near it when i first poped in gt3 on my ps2 i could not belive what i was seeing, just beautiful graphics unlike anyother i want to have the same experience with gt5 so it better deliver or else
Just having this game in my library will leave me satisfied. No game will ever be perfect despite long development times.
Okay, I've made a mistake, appealingly the game has come out Nov.24, This is GREAT NEWS. Can't wait for this game, DAY 1 BUY. Now I've got a question for everyone here, whats the main car you'll be driving in GT5. I'll be driving the Viper(favorite car)
Umm... The game has an official release date of 24th Nov, have u been living in a cave lately? Useless rant...
Yeah I know I was wrong, so Stange_Evil, what car will you be driving in GT5.
Celica GT-Four 91 and GT-R.
One car each day--it'll only take me... 3 years?! Nevermind what I said, I'll stick to the higher end cars!
stingray for me.
2010 AMG SLS. The demo made me fall in love with this car.
'96 Supra for me
RUF CTR2 (if AWD like previously) GT-R (r32 through newest) EVO (most likely 9 & 10 with the 89 Galant VR4 for kicks) FTO (if AWD like previously) SuperGT, JGTC & Touring Cars Bugatti, McLaren F1, Pagani, Ferrari & Lambo's RX-7 (FD & FC) Some Audi's (like the S models, RS4, 82 Quattro etc) Varied BMW's Varied Honda's (from Civic/Integra to the NSX & Amuse S2000) Some American cars (Viper, Vette, Buick GNX, old Muscle etc) That's a good start but the main will probably be the CTR2. There is something about Porsche's that just satisfy the overall need ;P
I don't care what score this gets. As i judge my games through actually playing them. Pre-ordered and good to go. See you all on the racetrack.
10/10 :P ... best game i have ever saw :D .. i don't even need to play this game to know it will get 10 .. only the graphics will give this game 10/10 :) ... no other game have this graphics :P ...
i dont need to demand perfection, kaz demands perfection for every one of his games, im not worried because for 2 generations they have given me perfection every time i put a GT disk in a playstation, no matter what the fanboys say, this game will be the single best racing game this gen, gt6 might not even dethrone it.
"Will I demand perfection"? No, because I'm in no position to DEMAND anything. I just want the game, and I'll be extremely happy with however it turns out. I don't give a shit how long it's been in development, that doesn't give me any power to demand anything from Polyphony--quite the contrary. They've been putting so much hard work into the game, I have absolutely no right to demand anything more from them.
To bad I only can agree once for your comment. Bubble also.
I've already played the game quite a bit and it's the best racing game I've played in recent memory. Of course it will get good scores as a result. Quality and quantity.
What Blaine said.
this article and the person submitting it: FAIL
Perfection isn't demanded, its Standard
I won't "demand" anything. I will demand however that C&VG stop with useless GT5 articles. Kaz won't release anything unless he is 100% happy in the time he was given. Sometimes you just gotta ship........Perfection is a highly subjective thing.
A big game, been in the works for some time. Gotta pinch at any thing possible to get most hits on website. GT5:Prologue alone amazed me, GT5 is simply 10x that. Whats to hate. Nothing, its pure love. 100% pure automotive love built from the ground up to please your auto needs.
Premium cars visuals perfect!!!Standard cars not!/800!/And no cockpit view this cars-/GT4HD/ And:"Standard cars CAN be used in photomode during races, but NOT in Phototravel mode."Why??? So many missing tracks- Damage-medicore- Snow and rain very cool!!Day and night cycle cool! 8/10
Quote that clarifies the in-cockpit view, from IGameReport: Standard cars do indeed have a cockpit/dashboard view, just not nearly as detailed as the premium cars. The existing cars are not just being copied; they are all being generated properly to create authentic experiences from car to car."
No. I just wish the game had more exotic supercars. Its missing a lot of them. Gumpert Apollo, SSC Ultimate Aero, Mosler Mt900, Devon GTX, Hennessey Venom GT, Ferrari 599 GTO just to name a few. Looks like I'm gonna be sticking to the Corvette ZR-1, the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR, the Saleen S7, the Ford GT, and the Lexus LFA as my supercars of choice. Come to think about it, thats not a bad line up right there. :)
it'll get 97.5/100 or 97/100
New Standard cars gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watc... Sorry,this GT4HD:(
Writer of this article just made himself so stupid when he said "after all these delays".
No, I don't. Thepeople who made this game are human, we all me mistakes... Plus, there is a thing called updates, you know...
Well, we just got CVG's review in essence. Move along.
If it doesn't get 90 or higher all around I'd be surprised. But then again we do live in an era where if it's not Call of Duty the game sucks so....
people are literally expecting a perfect game. Therefore because of almost impossible high level of bar, people will be disappointed; or so people say... I say Kaz will bring even higher perfection then what people hyped so much about and it's going to be like; SHOCK AND AWE. We were expecting something perfect but our perfect definition wasn't even close to Kaz's definition of perfect and we will be all blown away. it's like double awe and this game will get 100 on everywhere