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GamePro: Kinect Review

If it did work up to spec, GamePro could talk about its ability to compete against the Wii and the Move, and its potential for bringing entirely new genres to the table. But for now, it's less a matter of what it can do and more a matter of what it can't.

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SasanovaS19872027d ago

kinect is a lie. end of story

Godmars2902027d ago

If you listen to calmer heads, people who don't see the thing as the Next Coming or an instant disaster, it has a lot of promise as a game enhancer. Its just that at $150 MS have chosen to promote it as a game changer.

WaggleLOL2027d ago (Edited 2027d ago )

This is what makes absolutely no sense about Microsoft. They basically completely given up on their existing Xbox fanbase thinking they were going to magically turn the 360 into a Wii type device with Wii type success.

So if you only have one thing you basically have to hype it to infinity.

If Kinect was just an add-on selling alongside a massive first party studio lineup putting out masses of 360 games there would have been no need to massively oversell what Kinect in reality was.

Now they are probably going to lose a huge chunk of their existing 360 userbase and completely fail to get anything remotely close to Wii type sales because the massive number of stories about how Kinect fails to deliver what Microsoft claimed it would.

Lifendz2027d ago (Edited 2027d ago )

Over promoted and a lot of its shortcomings aren't being talked about to the same degree as Move or even the Wii. It's really weird how reviewers are just glossing over certain key things like the required amount of space and the very noticeable lag.

I can't keep going to the very cliched line of "MS is paying these reviewers off" but what else do you attribute the majority of very pro Kinect reviews too? I could see spending 50 bucks for a cool way to navigate the dashboard and voice commands to opens apps and what not. I can't see spending 150 for something that feels like it needed more time in R&D to be worth the price. /rant

Anyway, props to Gamepro for giving a score that reflects the review. They could have taken the easy path and opted to not give a score but they didn't. I actually had to bookmark their site off of this. Honesty is something that's a dying breed in games journalism these days.

darthv722027d ago

The consensus from level headed people say its very good and fun. The rumblings of it not being what it is are those who are wanting it to be more than it is now.

Everyone has their own personal hype meter and some get so wrapped up in it they cant help but call foul at the very slightest imperfection.

It isnt a game changer like some are getting themselves worked up about. It is very good none the less and will only get better. If you have optimism and open mindedness when trying these things out you cant help but see there is potential to be had.

If you just carry a negative view then no matter the good, the bad will always outweigh it.

Rome wasnt built in a day. Gaming wasnt born overnight and certainly, kinect isnt changing the way we play games. It only adds to it.

8-bit2027d ago (Edited 2027d ago )

I tried it out for the first time yesterday. I am a huge PS3 fanboy and Kinect skeptic by the way. From what I played (Kinect Adventures) it worked and worked better than I had thought it would. It does track your body with very few lag issues. I was surprised. It was fun too. I still see an issue with limitations tho. The games were all simplistic and get old quick. There is only so much you can do with little input options.

I own the Move controllers and I can tell you that Move IS a lot more precise and has a lot more options as far as input giving it the advantage because it can play almost any game type where Kinect is limited in what it can do. Over all tho I was impressed with Kinect.

Oh also we had to move furniture to play it in his small apartment. We had to move his couch out of the room.

I even uploaded a short video of us playing it from my phone.

http://www.youtube.com/l98m...

EDIT - I kind of want to know who is disagreeing with me, PS3 fanboys that don't want to hear that it's fun or xbox fanboys that don't want to hear about it's faults lol

Parapraxis2027d ago (Edited 2027d ago )

I agree 100% Darth
"Rome wasnt built in a day. Gaming wasnt born overnight and certainly, kinect isnt changing the way we play games. It only adds to it. "

But a lot of the press (non-gaming) are saying it's revolutionary, game-changing, yada, yada.
That's why it is very frustrating to see. I for one realize what the device is, and that it's a solid piece of tech, far from perfect and not something that interests me. But good for what it does, none the less.

However many reviewers are buying into the hype, it's plain to see. And oddly but maybe not terribly surprising many of the 360-only diehards are gobbling it up as well, all while the support for core games that the 360 has been known for are being put on the back burner. (which freakin sucks BTW)

Lifendz2027d ago

"Of course, the apologists, along with Microsoft, will say that these are all small hiccups that will get addressed over time; they'll also point out that these minor technical issues pale in comparison to the new opportunities Kinect's unique capabilities will open up. But I am not reviewing what the device could achieve -- rather, I'm here to judge it on what it's capable of right out of the box, and frankly, it feels like it's two or three revisions away from living up to its potential. If it did work up to spec, I could talk about its ability to compete against the Wii and the Move, and its potential for bringing entirely new genres to the table. But for now, it's less a matter of what it can do and more a matter of what it can't."

Lifendz2027d ago

you guys already have your Christmas tree up? Wow.

Equinoxe_72027d ago

great input you gave there, pros and cons

OmarsAccount2027d ago (Edited 2027d ago )

One particular bad review, and everyone goes nuts about how Kinect fails. Yet, there were tons of positive reviews before this one, that went on without much views/comments.

Now I'm not saying Kinect thing is absolutely amazing, neither do I think it down right flops, but this is just what I've noticed on N4G.

TheBlackSmoke2027d ago

Your point is perfect.

This is exactly why I have been so critical of Kinect, not because of what is does, but because of what was promised, hyped and shoved down our throats about it for so long.

Anyone with common sense already knew the limitations and therefore what to expect from it, however all the BS we were fed made it out to be something that it can never achieve.

The fanboys drank the kool-Aid and elevated the BS even further...well up until a few weeks before launch when it was apparent that kinect was just for casuals and then they changed thier tune to

"durr its sposed to be about teh fun, dun you ps3 fanbois understand its not for teh hardcore"

If MS just said look this is for casuals then we wouldn't have to be bombarded with kinect articles for so many months.

Fan Tastic2027d ago

But that is what MS does, overpromise and underdeliver.

We have multiple sku's of xbox360's and you can't even do every game, every function on a large amount of 360's unless you buy add-ons or upgrade.

darthv722027d ago (Edited 2026d ago )

Yeah I read that. I am not trying to change perspective. Just trying to keep an open mind.

@blacksmoke..."hyped and shoved down our throats" as if there hasnt been any big name company that isnt guilty of that.

To imply what was hyped would NEVER be possible is just futile. Sometimes it takes a bit longer to really bring out the best in something. As a ps3 and 360 gamer I can say they are sure better systems now than they were on launch day.

EVILDEAD3602026d ago (Edited 2026d ago )

I'm so glad I didn't sit back and listen to some reviewer before I bought Kinect. I like GamePro as a mag..bought many off the stands but IMO this review doesnt represent the actual product..

GamePro: 'the hard truth is Kinect can't register more than one person at a time'

The REAL truth is that I've been playing since last Thursday and two player works perfectly. Had a party last weekend and played split screen for 5 straight hours and had an absolute blast with split screen.

So, when GamePro says ' So it's all the more infuriating that it does such a poor job of registering multiple users at once' they are reviewing the wrong system, the exact opposite is true. I was amazed at how good the games worked with two people.

All of these ducktales about Kinect needing a billion square feet to work are silly. I cleared an area just like I always do when I play for Wii or Move..The real fallacy is when you look at Move which asks you to play at 8 feet away for games like Table Tennis..

GamePro: By far Kinect's worst problem, however, is the lag time between when you make a motion and when it registers onscreen.

See this is where GamePro fails again, because time and time again people just like me are suprised that after hearing all this supposed lag talk, when you play the games it's simply not there. Even in the forums, the people that have lag are the ones with TVs (ie. LCD) that inherently had lag in the first place.

Kinect, like any motion control, is not perfect, but it's a shame when certain detractors simply can't tell the truth about it's capabilities when describing the product.

Either way, the feedback has been mainly positive for the product and it should definately do pretty good this holiday.

Evil

TheBlackSmoke2026d ago (Edited 2026d ago )

Erm yes, last time I Checked they were telling us

"the future of gaming"

"become the controller"

"like a new console release"

blah blah blah.

They spent the last two E3's with fake demos of thing's that can't be done, basically straight up lying to everyone. #cough...Milo...cough#.

Kudo Sunoda continually promised games for the core and this is the end result....

http://i51.tinypic.com/qnvd...

All this with Half a BILLION put in to marketing this lie.

Sony and Nintendo aren't perfect but have never out right BS'd as much as this and not delivered. For me PS move still hasn't peaked my interest either, BUT Sony never made it out to be anything that it wasn't, its always been a choice to enhance hardcore games, with the understanding it will have a lot of casual games.

Death24942026d ago

a damn promotion to editor-in-chief.

Listen to this quote:

"Of course, the apologists, along with Microsoft, will say that these are all small hiccups that will get addressed over time; they'll also point out that these minor technical issues pale in comparison to the new opportunities Kinect's unique capabilities will open up. But I am not reviewing what the device could achieve -- rather, I'm here to judge it on what it's capable of right out of the box, and frankly, it feels like it's two or three revisions away from living up to its potential."

lowcarb2026d ago

Wow, one of the biggest PS3fanboys on this site actually played Kinect and enjoyed it. Yet we still have people like Black Smoke just listening to negative reviews and running his mouth because he is simply a hater nothing more.

BubloZX2026d ago

there is nothing fun looking about jumping around like that.

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WaggleLOL2027d ago

"kinect is a lie."

Not surprising considering Microsoft had to resort to faking their demos of it for two straight E3s.

ArtsyGamer2027d ago

It's not so much a lie as it is a gimmick.

mantisimo2027d ago

I would like to hear from people in say......3 weeks time, just how much fabulous fun they are still having with Kinect.

lucifon2027d ago

Motion Control in a nutshell

cowboysfan2027d ago

Just picked up kinect today and have to say not very impressed. It has some good features but for the most part it is very boring after a short time. I think any true video game fan will miss having some sort of controller in hand. I think the lack of feedback is what I don't like. In time maybe that will change but for now I not very happy with my purchase.

N4WAH2026d ago (Edited 2026d ago )

3 weeks?
My friend is already bored with his and it's only been a few days.

Zeevious2026d ago

BUT...with the receipt taped to the box.

I Can't decide yet if it's worth it.
The fitness program for instance is great.

I agree with everyone else and can see the potential tomorrow. Here's the problem...I bought it TODAY.

Why not just buy it when it actually works and matches the marketing hype, and spend my $150 on something else?
I returned my first PS3 for the exact same reason!
(Bought in early 2007 -- It's firmware was locking up playing DVD's)

I don't care what it MAY do tomorrow...because I own it NOW. I'm trying out more 2-player games, but I've given up on the unreliable voice-control and slow-azz hand-waving 1/2 done interface. A controller is much faster and much more reliable!

If Kinect is going to work really well in 6 months...fine.
I'll return it and buy another one in 6 months!

Why should I waste my time, or money suffering through another product that their own developers say isn't even 20-30% of it's promise?

BYE2026d ago

Doesn't work as advertised = lie.

If it actually would work, then it would be a gimmick, yes.

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ico922027d ago

ooh somebody never got their gift basket

gigaware2027d ago

Isn't gamepro generally pro Sony? I get their Mags from Gamestop and I don't read them anymore because they seemed pro Sony.

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JasonPC360PS3Wii2027d ago

Gamepro is pro Sony, everyone knows that just like Kotaku is Pro Xbox. I don't know why PS3 fanboys still try even when Gamepro pretty much admits they are. Everyone who favors Nntendo or Xbox knows to stay clear of Gamepro. It's just a fact lke the fact that 70% of the comments in this review are PS3 fanboys.

Army_of_Darkness2026d ago

I remember reading their mags in the nintendo vs. sega era.... Hmmm... I just thought that they're pro hardcore games, which is why kinect got a bad score;)

nnotdead2026d ago

Gamepro has gotten this Pro Sony tag because early this gen they didn't jump on the PS3 will fail bandwagon. thay actually tend to be easy graders on everyone. like how they gave FF XII a 4/5 when the writer spent the whole review trashing the game.

360:
ME2- 4.5/5
Splinter Cell- 5/5
Alan Wake- 4/5
Crackdown 2- 3.5/5
Reach- 5/5
Fable 3- 4/5

PS3:
MAG- 4/5
Heavy Rain- 5/5
White Knight- 3.5/5
GOD of War 3- 4.5/5
Yakuza 3- 4.5/5
Modnation- 4/5

Death24942026d ago

You don't get Gamepro through Gamestop, It's GameInformer.
Shows how much you thought you knew. It's not bashing Kinect, but it is offering a unbaised, legit review.

N4Great2026d ago

For a ms fanboy, anybody who is not a ms fanboyz, or a ms employee, is "pro-sony", but most of the time, they are just "normal people".

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Jeremy Gerard2027d ago

enough said, that Sony fan sight has ZERO cred when it comes to anything 360.

frostypants2026d ago (Edited 2026d ago )

You're kidding.

GamePro has been around for over 20 years. They were around before many of N4G's users were conceived in the bathroom at Denny's. They were around before the Web even existed.

They are one of the oldest and most respected gaming publications out there. They've got more credibility than most other sources combined.

The only difference between them and the relative newbie sites is that they've been around long enough that they don't feel the need to succumb to Microsoft's payola.

They are NOT pro-Sony. They are simply not pro-Microsoft. Microsoft has bribed, coerced, and strong-armed so many gaming review sites over the last few years that an OBJECTIVE site tends to seem pro-Sony in comparison.

If it was between GamePro and 40 web-only publications written by amateurs, I'd trust GamePro every single time.

Now get off my lawn!

strickers2026d ago

Bubbles.Fantastic Dennys line.

masamu2027d ago SpamShowReplies(2)
harrisk9542026d ago (Edited 2026d ago )

"Of course, the apologists, along with Microsoft, will say that these are all small hiccups that will get addressed over time; they'll also point out that these minor technical issues pale in comparison to the new opportunities Kinect's unique capabilities will open up. But I am not reviewing what the device could achieve -- rather, I'm here to judge it on what it's capable of right out of the box, and frankly, it feels like it's two or three revisions away from living up to its potential. If it did work up to spec, I could talk about its ability to compete against the Wii and the Move, and its potential for bringing entirely new genres to the table. But for now, it's less a matter of what it can do and more a matter of what it can't."

This is how it seems most reviewers are looking at it. It is getting a pass on too many levels and is not being reviewed for what is now - a peripheral that sometimes works. The best critical discussion I've heard was on this week's Epic Battle Axe.

vhero2026d ago

"the hard truth is Kinect can't register more than one person at a time. It constantly loses track of players, interrupting the action and incessantly prompting you to return to sensor range when you're both standing smack in front of the sensor. "

So it can only really be used for 1 player.. Would explain why different reviewers are getting results out of it as some are playing solo. £120 for 1 player.. Can't really say Move is more expensive now whichever way you swing it.

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ubiquitious2027d ago

I guess SONY's check took a week to clear

raztad2027d ago

Or perhaps MS's bounced.

Information Minister2027d ago

Ha ha, that made me laugh. Bubbles for both of you.

cmrbe2027d ago

MS cheque got cleared for him to say this on N4G.

Sarcasm2027d ago

Either way gamepro won. They got a free Kinect and Sony's paycheck.

Jeremy Gerard2027d ago

wrong

No website wins for being on the take, everyone with half a brain knows GamePro is in the bag for Sony, they pump out some of the most biased, pro Sony anti MS crap your going to find online.

As a result, tons of people like myself, refuse to even go to their site anymore, that is not a win for them; they can't survive solely off checks from Sony forever.

Lionhead2027d ago

But you'll go to a site that is pro 360 and anti PS3?

Fail argument is fail

Sheikh Yerbouti2026d ago

Gamepro is pro Sony?

How do you figure?

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ksense2027d ago

MS is prolly paying you money for spitting nonsense like this...

Dirk Benedict2027d ago

flop in the eyes of the hardcore.

Trunkz Jr2027d ago

Nintendo payed me to drop my pants. I'm cold :(

Jazz41082026d ago

Hate to agree but I subscribe to four gaming mags and gamepro I quit subscribing too one year ago because they seemed biased in the articles to favoring the ps3 and as a mag you can't show favortism and be a multi source mag. Gamepro even though I tend to favor sony is really a bad source for me bto read for unbiased revieews. Kinect does not offer me anthing as a core gamer and that's why I don't have it or the move as I feel motion cntrols really are too imature as a gamer for me to own. That said I respect there place and I look forward to seeing ms delivering to there core audience in the future but if they don't its there mistake but they just are not that stupid to forget them completley and they have stated that they have plenty planned nexy year and I know sony does so please wake up ms and stick with you bread and butter and quit dabbling in so many areas.

TheTwelve2027d ago

I'm a shameless Sony fanboy and Ubiquitous' comment still made me laugh.

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strickers2026d ago

Wow.I didn't think Sony splashed the cash.Ars,engadget,Metro,IGN,T3 and now Gamepro all prefer Move.The best Kinect reviews seem to come from mainstream(ignorant)media or silly little fansites I've never heard of,or that appeared a few weeks ago.
When the dust settles,people will realise that Kinect is too limited for games and that the alternatives are superior.

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iamnsuperman2027d ago

I know at least some reviews I have seen were a least a bit nice this is just brutal.

kneon2027d ago

And even when he said something positive it was just plain wrong

"Its tracking ability is so fine-tuned that it's able to recognize facial features and log you into XBOX Live just by looking at your face"

This has been available with webcams and built into some notebooks for a while now. It's doesn't require anything special.

Anon19742027d ago

"Requires too much room to maneuver; doesn't work well with simultaneous players; lag time is exceedingly disconcerting; expensive; often fails to match movements one-to-one; generally feels "unfinished.""

Triple ouch. Just add them to the growing list of professional reviewers who are underwhelmed by Kinect. The question is, will it matter to the casual's this product is targeted at?

hikayu2027d ago

that question depend on how microsoft will advertise this.lie to customers with empty promises or go true-to-god and suffer low sale due to high price . it's a tough question for microsoft because many recent survey showed that microsoft tarnished its image with fail products such as zune , kin , and let us not forget the RROD . but at the sametime , steve ballmer is on the edge of getting his butt handed to him by the board because he wasted so much money on these failed products . kin took the last check last year of 750 mil , go figure .

number472027d ago (Edited 2027d ago )

with the myth that kinect = minority report in your living room. For initial sales at least....

But Kinects problem of not working, is going to cause it to falter where the Wii succeed with word of mouth & constant entertainment, and having a Gigantic Mascot(mario) for the general audience, and with its games. Microsoft makes the mistake of looking at the end game, and not what it took to get there. They just want SALES no matter what, no matter if the product works, no matter if its faulty, Sony & Nintendo were #1, so they want to be #1 too. But they were #1 due to constant support, quality control, and a company ethic of developing fun for consumers. Kinect's 'fun' requires so many work arounds, and even then, its a webcam game that you cant play with friends.

I'd be all for this new revolutionary device that puts US in the game as the controller, playing FPS/TPS/Strategy/Party/Fitness /Controlling your interface with voice & gestures for everything, but Kinect is NOT this. So now the supporters just say "so what? its fun isn't it?!" Yet, can't see the glaring problem that its selling based off of its lie, more so than its reality. I doubt many people know it doesn't work with any other games besides the handful of Wiitoo games.

Its Microsoft doing business as usual, clearly. Its unfortunate that they use a tactic of misinformation to dupe consumers, and its even more unfortunate that there is support for this idea.

JonnyBigBoss2027d ago

The lag and limitations are what really kill this thing. It's really a hassle to play with, and all games require you to stand in place, so what's the point of motion?