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Kinect vs. Wii: Nintendo Gets Casual Right

Microsoft's attempt to be both a follower of Nintendo and an innovator with the Kinect has resulted in a sub-par launch, further marred by Balmer's stock sell. Here are a few things Nintendo did right, that Microsoft could have benefited from.

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Seijoru2928d ago

Perhaps Balmer sold his stock because MS spent a little more than 500 million on marketing. MS is trying to monopolize the videogame market through brute force and possibly borderline illegal methods just like they did in the 90s with Windows when they screwed over a bunch of companies.

GrandTheftZamboni2927d ago

That includes two Windows licenses from two PCs I bought even though I only run Linux on them. It's not against the law but something doesn't feel right.

ShinMaster2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

That's why Nintendo gets "casual" right.

Also, Nintendo has more personality and well known characters that just makes it catchier right off the bat.

eagle212928d ago

Wii is 10 times better than Kinect in software. :)

arragionthegreat2927d ago

How could anyone disagree with you ,.. Is beyond my comprehension,..

shazui1232927d ago

because although the kinect has awful software, the wii's isnt amazing either (though it's still better than the kinect)

punkpop1012927d ago

They disagreed because most of the agrees came by ps3 fanboys not wii gamers.

MariaHelFutura2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

At launch they ALL kinda sucked. Wii, Kinect and Move.

T9X692927d ago

This. Each one had a one or two "good" launch games, but the rest were pretty much crap.

TheBlackSmoke2927d ago

Yeah but, Wii and Move have the potential to make any kind of experience in the right hands.

This is it for Kinect, the limitations have already shown themselves. Even if they iron out the lag the Kinect will still be the equivalent of a one button device. Hardcore games can only exist on Kinect if they are dumbed down to the point that they are not hardcore anymore,so what's the point?

T9X692927d ago

That's not true. They don't have to be dumbed down. Kinect can do hardcore games if it uses Kinect and the 360 controller. How many hardcore Move/Wii games only use Move/Wii mote without the Nuncuk/Navigation Controller/DS3? It's not like you can play MAG or SOCOM 4 with just Move, you need that extra controller as well.

TheBlackSmoke2927d ago

"Kinect can do hardcore games if it uses Kinect and the 360 controller"

That's my whole point. What happened to "become the controller"? If it requires a controller to make actual games then why does it exist?

"How many hardcore Move/Wii games only use Move/Wii mote without the Nuncuk/Navigation Controller/DS3? It's not like you can play MAG or SOCOM 4 with just Move, you need that extra controller as well."

That's a stupid comparison, the wii is a console not a peripheral, the wii mote and nunchuck are the controllers for it to work. Nintendo never said controller less gaming and so its not.

PS move is a peripheral and the navigation controller is made for it from the get go because they understand that you need a hybrid of motion and buttons to make hardcore games. Again Sony never proclaimed it was a controller less system.

If you added kinect with a controller what would the kinect do anyway? clearly it would just be used from some arbitrary tacked on feature and the game would basically be a regular FPS, so $150 for what exactly?

beardpapa2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

$150 for putting ur face on an avatar or voice control.... which u could technically already do with an existing headset and vision cam, considering the processing is done in software.

I dunno why you'd need a 3D camera for a [hardcore] fps. Why would you need the depth information? We've already seen the kinect fps demo. It sucked. Gamers obviously don't want that. Gamers obviously wouldn't be crouching and standing in an fps. Can you imagine yourself going into prone position so your avatar does that too? That's stupid. So what then?

Basically, if Kinect has a hardcore game, it better not be a hybrid with tacked on Kinect features. Otherwise you aren't using your body as the controller and Kinect is a $150 tacked on 'accessory'.

TheBlackSmoke2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

Exactly, Yeah you do need a navigational control for move in order to play an FPS but the move itself is a 1:1 mouse pointing device, has buttons for crouch,reload and jump, a trigger for shooting and a quick throw gesture would work for grenades, with the navi control simply for movement.

Try the same setup with Kinect and it cant be done unless you move all the functions to the controller and then its no longer a Kinect game. It would be like me saying gt5 is a PSeye game because it has head-tracking.

The only solution is to remove control from the user and heavily assist and automate everything, so basically you are left with an on rails casual shooter.

Voice recognition is just a mic and software, nothing the pseye isn't capable of or any headset.

My point still stands, Kinect cant do hardcore.

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arragionthegreat2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

@punkpop101: does not make it less of a truth though,..does it?

gigaware2928d ago

LOL even Nintendo fanboys feel threatened now. Maybe Wii and PS3 fanboys will join forces.

AWBrawler2927d ago

I can assure you I am not threatened by the Key Neck as oprah called it. I dang near forgot its even out

Terror_B2927d ago

@awbrawler

ooohhhh look, a butthurt PS3 lame! You sad man, Kinect is 100 times more popular than the PS3s wii-mote 1.5.

8-bit2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

good thing more popular also equals more accurate /SARCASM!~

I have played Kinect, it works just fine don't get me wrong. But Move is so damn precise and accurate. I know the meaning of 1:1 and you don't..

ceedubya92927d ago

We are constantly told here every day about how much of a failure supposedly is.....

AWBrawler2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

dude, I hate PS3 what are you talking about? I'm wearing a freaking Mario shirt in my avatar. I am not a Sony fan. I'm a PC and Wii gamer. I just know Kinect is forgettable

and I forget it launched already because I go straight to the Wii and DS sections when I log in. I saw it in Wal-mart and was like "oh yeah, that is out, huh?"

Terror_B2927d ago

"good thing more popular also equals more accurate"

Thats not my point, he was trying to say he forgot about it which there is no way he did.

When did anyone try to claim Kinect would be more accurate? No-one did. But Kinect can do so much more than the wii-sonymote 1.5 and is way cooler, thats why its more popular, if people want to use a controller, they will play a wii. People wanted something different, not some wii rip off. MS gave the people something different and they love it. Dry your eyes PS3 lames, kinect will be around for a long time while the wii-sonymote 1.5 will be an expensive failure.

HeavenlySnipes2927d ago

something new: Kinect, check
first camera based peripheral: X (eyetoy dumbass, swear ther were more before that)
1st time players full body used in game: X (eyetoy)
MS made it: Nope an Israelly company made it and MS bought the company. Sony had the chance but they said no because well they already had the EYETOY AND THE COMPANY WAS JUST MAKING A DIFFERENT VERSION.
You making a stupid post: priceless

killer_tornado2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

1st time players full body used in game: X

Actually eye toy never did full body tracking but gesture recognition..

first camera based peripheral: X (eyetoy dumbass, swear ther were more before that)

Again eyetoy never was the first camera based peripheral for consoles - It was sega's Dream-eye

"MS made it: Nope an Israelly company made it and MS bought the company. Sony had the chance but they said no because well they already had the EYETOY AND THE COMPANY WAS JUST MAKING A DIFFERENT VERSION.
You making a stupid post: priceless"

Actually the original 3dv equitment never did so many functions, software was developed by MS engineers, same way how sony never made eyetoy, Richard marks did

Richard Marks joined Teleos Research, a computer vision start-up that was later acquired by Autodesk. He departed and consulted for a year,

before the unveiling of the PlayStation2 hardware inspired him to join PlayStation R&D. His research focus has been studying real-time video input to the PS2, and he is credited as the inventor of the EyeToy technology. Richard now manages the Special Projects group of Sony Computer Entertainment US R&D, which includes Man-Machine Interfaces and Physical Simulation research."

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XabiTheHumble2927d ago

LOOOOL!"But Kinect can do so much more than the wii-sonymote 1.5" please explain my good man.
"People wanted something different, not some wii rip off."
LMAO! Yes, people didn't want a Wii rip off they wanted a pseye ripoff. Good point/s

AWBrawler2927d ago

he accused me, Hater of all things Sony except PS2, of being a Sony fan.

Simco8762927d ago

Please 360 and Wii take these casuals...

I will continue to play hardcore games on my PS3... while you cater to the casual crowd.

lukewind2927d ago

Haha, hardcore huh....man you sound so dumb when you talk like that....a video game is a video game..hardcore or casual. If you don't like its fine, but thinking yourself superior for playing "Hardcore" games just means that you are either a 20 year old douchebag, or a kid who doesn't know any better.

killer_tornado2927d ago (Edited 2927d ago )

What was the last Hardcore title u played and WHEN

Masterchef20072927d ago

Just a small question

If Kinect was such a huge success and i mean gigantic one why did not Microsoft release official sales yet?

I mean imagine Microsoft coming out with day one sales saying ¨We just sold 1 million Kinects and thats on day one ¨ Imagine how good it would be for the stock holders to hear that

lukewind2927d ago

Actually the released the sales numbers, they sold around half a million first week of launch. The will probably sell more then 2 million more before the end of the year. Kinect is 2nd behind the ipad on the Black Friday list. Positive reviews and word of mouth have spread like wildfire for the Kinect, partially due to MS better marketing.

P.s. Relating sales data to stockholders is tricky business. MS would rather release sales data after Black Friday when sales will increase ten fold, Not releasing it publicly means nothing.

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