Microsoft's attempt to be both a follower of Nintendo and an innovator with the Kinect has resulted in a sub-par launch, further marred by Balmer's stock sell. Here are a few things Nintendo did right, that Microsoft could have benefited from.
Perhaps Balmer sold his stock because MS spent a little more than 500 million on marketing. MS is trying to monopolize the videogame market through brute force and possibly borderline illegal methods just like they did in the 90s with Windows when they screwed over a bunch of companies.
That includes two Windows licenses from two PCs I bought even though I only run Linux on them. It's not against the law but something doesn't feel right.
That's why Nintendo gets "casual" right. Also, Nintendo has more personality and well known characters that just makes it catchier right off the bat.
Wii is 10 times better than Kinect in software. :)
How could anyone disagree with you ,.. Is beyond my comprehension,..
because although the kinect has awful software, the wii's isnt amazing either (though it's still better than the kinect)
They disagreed because most of the agrees came by ps3 fanboys not wii gamers.
At launch they ALL kinda sucked. Wii, Kinect and Move.
This. Each one had a one or two "good" launch games, but the rest were pretty much crap.
Yeah but, Wii and Move have the potential to make any kind of experience in the right hands. This is it for Kinect, the limitations have already shown themselves. Even if they iron out the lag the Kinect will still be the equivalent of a one button device. Hardcore games can only exist on Kinect if they are dumbed down to the point that they are not hardcore anymore,so what's the point?
That's not true. They don't have to be dumbed down. Kinect can do hardcore games if it uses Kinect and the 360 controller. How many hardcore Move/Wii games only use Move/Wii mote without the Nuncuk/Navigation Controller/DS3? It's not like you can play MAG or SOCOM 4 with just Move, you need that extra controller as well.
"Kinect can do hardcore games if it uses Kinect and the 360 controller" That's my whole point. What happened to "become the controller"? If it requires a controller to make actual games then why does it exist? "How many hardcore Move/Wii games only use Move/Wii mote without the Nuncuk/Navigation Controller/DS3? It's not like you can play MAG or SOCOM 4 with just Move, you need that extra controller as well." That's a stupid comparison, the wii is a console not a peripheral, the wii mote and nunchuck are the controllers for it to work. Nintendo never said controller less gaming and so its not. PS move is a peripheral and the navigation controller is made for it from the get go because they understand that you need a hybrid of motion and buttons to make hardcore games. Again Sony never proclaimed it was a controller less system. If you added kinect with a controller what would the kinect do anyway? clearly it would just be used from some arbitrary tacked on feature and the game would basically be a regular FPS, so $150 for what exactly?
$150 for putting ur face on an avatar or voice control.... which u could technically already do with an existing headset and vision cam, considering the processing is done in software. I dunno why you'd need a 3D camera for a [hardcore] fps. Why would you need the depth information? We've already seen the kinect fps demo. It sucked. Gamers obviously don't want that. Gamers obviously wouldn't be crouching and standing in an fps. Can you imagine yourself going into prone position so your avatar does that too? That's stupid. So what then? Basically, if Kinect has a hardcore game, it better not be a hybrid with tacked on Kinect features. Otherwise you aren't using your body as the controller and Kinect is a $150 tacked on 'accessory'.
Exactly, Yeah you do need a navigational control for move in order to play an FPS but the move itself is a 1:1 mouse pointing device, has buttons for crouch,reload and jump, a trigger for shooting and a quick throw gesture would work for grenades, with the navi control simply for movement. Try the same setup with Kinect and it cant be done unless you move all the functions to the controller and then its no longer a Kinect game. It would be like me saying gt5 is a PSeye game because it has head-tracking. The only solution is to remove control from the user and heavily assist and automate everything, so basically you are left with an on rails casual shooter. Voice recognition is just a mic and software, nothing the pseye isn't capable of or any headset. My point still stands, Kinect cant do hardcore.
@punkpop101: does not make it less of a truth though,..does it?
LOL even Nintendo fanboys feel threatened now. Maybe Wii and PS3 fanboys will join forces.
I can assure you I am not threatened by the Key Neck as oprah called it. I dang near forgot its even out
@awbrawler ooohhhh look, a butthurt PS3 lame! You sad man, Kinect is 100 times more popular than the PS3s wii-mote 1.5.
good thing more popular also equals more accurate /SARCASM!~ I have played Kinect, it works just fine don't get me wrong. But Move is so damn precise and accurate. I know the meaning of 1:1 and you don't..
We are constantly told here every day about how much of a failure supposedly is.....
dude, I hate PS3 what are you talking about? I'm wearing a freaking Mario shirt in my avatar. I am not a Sony fan. I'm a PC and Wii gamer. I just know Kinect is forgettable and I forget it launched already because I go straight to the Wii and DS sections when I log in. I saw it in Wal-mart and was like "oh yeah, that is out, huh?"
"good thing more popular also equals more accurate" Thats not my point, he was trying to say he forgot about it which there is no way he did. When did anyone try to claim Kinect would be more accurate? No-one did. But Kinect can do so much more than the wii-sonymote 1.5 and is way cooler, thats why its more popular, if people want to use a controller, they will play a wii. People wanted something different, not some wii rip off. MS gave the people something different and they love it. Dry your eyes PS3 lames, kinect will be around for a long time while the wii-sonymote 1.5 will be an expensive failure.
something new: Kinect, check first camera based peripheral: X (eyetoy dumbass, swear ther were more before that) 1st time players full body used in game: X (eyetoy) MS made it: Nope an Israelly company made it and MS bought the company. Sony had the chance but they said no because well they already had the EYETOY AND THE COMPANY WAS JUST MAKING A DIFFERENT VERSION. You making a stupid post: priceless
1st time players full body used in game: X Actually eye toy never did full body tracking but gesture recognition.. first camera based peripheral: X (eyetoy dumbass, swear ther were more before that) Again eyetoy never was the first camera based peripheral for consoles - It was sega's Dream-eye "MS made it: Nope an Israelly company made it and MS bought the company. Sony had the chance but they said no because well they already had the EYETOY AND THE COMPANY WAS JUST MAKING A DIFFERENT VERSION. You making a stupid post: priceless" Actually the original 3dv equitment never did so many functions, software was developed by MS engineers, same way how sony never made eyetoy, Richard marks did Richard Marks joined Teleos Research, a computer vision start-up that was later acquired by Autodesk. He departed and consulted for a year, before the unveiling of the PlayStation2 hardware inspired him to join PlayStation R&D. His research focus has been studying real-time video input to the PS2, and he is credited as the inventor of the EyeToy technology. Richard now manages the Special Projects group of Sony Computer Entertainment US R&D, which includes Man-Machine Interfaces and Physical Simulation research."
LOOOOL!"But Kinect can do so much more than the wii-sonymote 1.5" please explain my good man. "People wanted something different, not some wii rip off." LMAO! Yes, people didn't want a Wii rip off they wanted a pseye ripoff. Good point/s
he accused me, Hater of all things Sony except PS2, of being a Sony fan.
Please 360 and Wii take these casuals... I will continue to play hardcore games on my PS3... while you cater to the casual crowd.
Haha, hardcore huh....man you sound so dumb when you talk like that....a video game is a video game..hardcore or casual. If you don't like its fine, but thinking yourself superior for playing "Hardcore" games just means that you are either a 20 year old douchebag, or a kid who doesn't know any better.
What was the last Hardcore title u played and WHEN
Just a small question If Kinect was such a huge success and i mean gigantic one why did not Microsoft release official sales yet? I mean imagine Microsoft coming out with day one sales saying ¨We just sold 1 million Kinects and thats on day one ¨ Imagine how good it would be for the stock holders to hear that
Actually the released the sales numbers, they sold around half a million first week of launch. The will probably sell more then 2 million more before the end of the year. Kinect is 2nd behind the ipad on the Black Friday list. Positive reviews and word of mouth have spread like wildfire for the Kinect, partially due to MS better marketing. P.s. Relating sales data to stockholders is tricky business. MS would rather release sales data after Black Friday when sales will increase ten fold, Not releasing it publicly means nothing.
LOL....Yep this takes the cake for stupid fanboy articles. The Kinect launch was a huge success for Microsoft, and the biggest shopping time of the year is still a week or two away. Why do the Sony & Wii fanboys feel so compelled to write this trash. Are you guys that insecure. The PS Move is a solid device, but Kinect was better marketed, plus its something different. The PS Move is great, but in reality it is just a Wii. You could say the same on some respects with the Kinect I know, but they are really two different experiences.
I will tell yah what Luke, we will all agree Move is just a Wii when you agree Kinect is just an eye toy.
Actually you are very wrong, sure the Kinect does not use any brand new hardware per se, but The eyetoy does not have the software behind it to do what the Kinect does. Nor does it use IR light or have a built in motor. The eyetoy can't do what the Kinect can do, therefor they are not the same. You spit out that Kinect is an Eyetoy line out pretty quick. God to see you follow the Sony fanboy koolaid. Do you even own a Kinect. I own a Kinect and a Move. I can actually talk about it with expirience, unlike you, someone who just trolls the comments disagreeing with anything your feeble brain cant handle. GROW UP!
You are regurgitating the same BS we have been hearing on net since these devices (Move & Natal) were announced. Yet you can only see it from one side of the fence. Yes Kinect is more advanced then the Eye toy but Move is more advanced then the Wii-mote. Yet they both draw direct comparisons for obvious reasons and those reason to a point are warranted. For you to look at it from only the perspective that favors your bias is where you lose. So this discussion, at least for me, is over and you are the one that needs a mirror to look into before you start talking about anyone needing to grow up. Fanboys are so bias and narrow minded, you prove that.
yeah it will never take off like the Wii did
Seriously where do you guys get your info from. It works fine with two people. God you guys are a sad bunch. I love coming here and seeing you guys misinform each other.
@ Terror_B Is that why their launch line up are composed of Wii and Eyetoy clones? Everyone keeps saying Kinect can do more than Wii or Move. Then why doesn't it have the genres that they do? Where are your platformers. puzzles, rail shooters, adventure games, RTSs shooters and sports? Where are your icons? Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, DK, Kirby and Samus to support the Wii. Sony has Sly, Ratchet, Jak and popular third party games to support Move . What does Kinect have? Blank avatars and characters no one knows? If Kinect isn't more accurate then Move or Wii as you say then why should I buy it? To move furniture around and sweat up a storm to play games the Wii has done better,minus the popular franchises that made Nintendo famous with twice the effort it takes to wave a Move wand or a Wiimote? And to top it off, no feedback at all, leaving me pawing at empty space.BTW knowing Microsoft's MO Kinect will break long before a Move Wand does so I doubt you will be playing it long after me.
Without reading this article. i declair the win to Wii-1 KINNECT-0 pros and cons kinnect pro- ummm ummmmm..... mmmm it uses another power socket. cons- light issues heat issues voice issues can i say it oh go on then ok LAG. Wii pro- it has a numchuck and wii remote a wheel adaption and gun. it uses infrared that is actually responding at the moment faster than the kinnects expensive £120 toy. and it does all kinds of games. cons- SOO LAST GEN GRAPHICS roll on wii 2
I agree, except the graphics are above XBox, so technically its not last Gen if you get the right games, like Galaxy, Brawl, Metroid, and Monster Hunter
very true lok at 007 goldeneye
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