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Submitted by Omega4 1920d ago | news

Initial Kinect Sales Revealed

Microsoft launched the Kinect Sensor on November 4th in the Americas and VGChartz data shows that as of 6th, over 475,000 Kinect Sensors had been sold in the Americas. Kinect Adventures is bundled with every Kinect system so the top selling stand-alone Kinect software is Kinect Sports, closely followed by Dance Central. (Kinect, Xbox 360)

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SiteNblog Defender  +   1920d ago
Impressive. That's more than Move did in NA in the same time-frame.
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ConanOBrien  +   1920d ago
you've made a bold statement
that breaks plenty hearts
drkcharizard   1920d ago | Spam
Acquiescence  +   1920d ago | Well said
Anyone who listens to sales statistics supplied by vgchartz...
is a fool. The people who run that site are as crooked as a barrel of fish hooks.

Last I heard, the kid who actually started the site is a full-blown 360 fanboy who was banned from the NeoGAF forum for causing too much friction with his pro-Microsoft rantings and mock sale numbers. That right there is all you need to know.
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WaggleLOL  +   1920d ago
Complete silence from Microsoft on actual Kinect sales.

And fabricated sales numbers from some little kid's fake sales website.

Yeah, 'impressive'. Hilarious!
dalibor  +   1920d ago
If your heart is broken b/c Move did not sell as well as Kinect or vice versa than I don't think you should really be following sales. My question is do 360 gamers really like Kinect? Is it a good thing for the 360? Is Move/Kinect better than the other for having more sales? I just don't care, give me damn good games to keep playing and don't get rid of controllers otherwise count me out when it comes to gaming. ~
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WaggleLOL  +   1920d ago
Yes, the kid's name was ioi on the neogaf forums.

Hardcore Xbox fanboy. Got permanently banned for repeatedly making up fake sales numbers to try to make the 360 look like it was selling more than it really was.

He was so bad at lying that I believe you aren't even allowed to use his name or his fake sales site, vgchartz, without getting banned on neogaf.
Game-ur  +   1920d ago
Even if this is true it’s a far cry from "millions" in day one sales hyped, this is actually a down to earth number.

And Move soled pretty well and a success already, Kinect sales don’t change that fact.
darthv72  +   1920d ago
"VGChartz is fake. 'nuff said. "
I love how this goes. VGChartz numbers are ALWAYS going to be the center of debate amongst you people arent they?

You agree with them when they are in your platforms favor and disagree up the wazoo when they arent.

Lets all agree to disagree and say that their numbers are a guesstimation and not the gospel. Still...people will question even the "official" ones released from the horses mouth (mfg).

There is just no pleasing anybody with sales so why do you all bother? Get back to playing games. It's much more fun than counting pixels and adding up statistics.
Anon1974  +   1920d ago
Vgchartz are fake. That's all there is to it. It doesn't matter who they say are ahead - last week they said the PS3 was kicking ass in the weekly sales, and I still pointed out that it's fake. Doesn't matter who they say is ahead, they simply aren't credible.

And why should they be? Look at the source. It's some guy who used to call local stores, get some estimates then extraplote that across the country. Then he started recruiting people in internet forums when he found out they worked in retail to get their best guesses, from which he'd extrapolate the info. It's nothing but a fan run site who have been shown time and time again to be grossly inaccurate until they make adjustments for when real numbers are available.

This article should be labeled at best a rumor, at worst - fake.
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Ju  +   1920d ago
Even if the numbers are true, they are on the level what Move sold. Far from anything exciting. And what's interesting is, that even though 500K sold (with Kinect Adventures) only 142K Kinect Sports titles actually sold?? Quite underwhelming, IMO.
KingME  +   1920d ago
And what unbundled Move launch title has sold more than 142,000 to date let alone in 2 days?

Kungfu Rider, Start the Party, and the Shoot, only have 115,000 units sold between the three of them in 7 weeks.

And you're trying to downplay Kinect Sports 2 day numbers? Are you serious?

Why is it so damn hard for you fanboys to give props when due.
JokesOnYou  +   1920d ago
If true, very interesting...
by comparison in America ALONE wii sold 600k in 8 days,

In BOTH America and Europe combined vgchartz reported move sold 140k the first 5 days

In America ALONE vgchartz is reporting kinect sold 475k in 2 days. Another interesting note is that kinect has an initial higher buy in price at $150, vs move at $99 starter bundle which when you figure at least a significant % of that 140k move sales are at the very least due to many move early adopters purchasing a 2nd controller then kinect #'s by comparison are that much more impressive. Yep micro has to be very excited with the enthusiam consumers have shown for kinect.
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Game-ur  +   1920d ago
Actually the real joke is on you, all your VGChartz info is proven to be fiction.
Bigpappy  +   1920d ago
Here is the kicker
I think the sales are much higher than VGC is reporting.
Imperator  +   1920d ago
You guys do realize NA is the 360's strongest place (where it leads the PS3 by over 10 million units) and this is VGchartz (which is known for overestimating 360 numbers). I'm more interested in seeing the official WW numbers.
avengers1978  +   1920d ago
So do we believe, or not believe these numbers from VGcharts this week.
snp  +   1920d ago
Good lord, not this mob AGAIN.

How many times do they have to be disproved before trolls stop propping them up for their own convenience?

"You agree with them when they are in your platforms favor and disagree up the wazoo when they arent."

Rubbish. Overwhelmingly people universally discard them and have for a long long time. The only people who overwhelmingly don't are one-eyed, generally trolling (as in they know as well as everyone else the site is fraudulent) MS fans who claim 'hypocrisy' as a sneak to get VGChartz through because their numbers suit their agenda.
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specialguest  +   1920d ago
Since we're talking about sales
Sales only matters to either MS or Sony. Even if Kinect sold more than Move, what really matters most is which company is more profitable when you take in consideration of the cost of marketing and advertising. Kinect's marketing budget was reported to be $500 million, and it looks like they've spent considerably more on marketing than Sony did for Move.
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Ilikegames76  +   1920d ago
It's funny 360 fans
are not playing the sales game, must be an exclusive 360 game. Good luck having fun with that.
RageAgainstTheMShine  +   1920d ago
Omega4 & VGCrapz?
ShinMaster  +   1920d ago
YAY! VG Chartz! :D
How come their numbers are always different than the official numbers?

Anyways... I guess if you REALLY care about Kinect then YAY Kinect! haha
Death2494  +   1919d ago
Hate to rain...
but VGChartz where caught using Micheal Pacter's prediction numbers as actual sales numbers for the ps3's move. So now you're telling me that all of a sudden we're suppose to believe them about Kinect sales. Let's just wait for NPD to show the numbers okay before we start bashing Kinect or Move. Even if that is so, Microsoft has "allegedly" 20million plus consoles in the N.America. Let give them another week and see because people don't all get paid on the same week.

OT: Microsoft needs to hope that Google doesn't port GoogleTv to ps3 spring 2011. Because it's looking like America's version of PlaYTV.

"use a converter to convert the MultiAV to HDMI since multiAV also handles audio and video. You then have an HDMI in and a HDMI out. Download GoogleTV app from PSN."

that's the rumor floating around anyway but sounds like a strong possibility.
Syronicus  +   1919d ago
So today, VGCharts is a reliable source for sales numbers?
Ok, just tell kenwhen they go back on the "not so trusted list".
barom  +   1919d ago
It's impressive but I'm sure everyone expected Kinect sales to have a initial big splash, the question is if it can hold the momentum. Kinect looks more appealing at first glance but we'll see how the novelty of not having a controller will be in the long run. I honestly don't see that great of software coming out for it but maybe I'm just not creative enough. Who knows?

In any case, I wouldn't count PS Move out yet. Even Sony expected it to be a slow burn. The fact that Move sold so slow in the beginning and now has a very respectable amount of units "shipped" shows that the word of mouth of Move is fairly strong. I'll only imagine the numbers when that killer app comes around, already very excited for Sorcery and expect more games like that in the future.
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Zir0  +   1920d ago
If I were you guys I would back these numbers because when MS releases their's they will be shipped numbers which will be higher than sold like VGChartz, just a friendly warning.
ct03  +   1920d ago
When Microsoft releases official numbers, everybody on here will call them *fake* (in blind fanboyism disregarding that Microsoft is publicly traded on the Nasdaq).

Basically, these dudes only believe what they want to believe. And frankly, who cares what they believe?
Kurt Russell  +   1919d ago
ct03 - nail on the head.
ravinash  +   1920d ago
What I would like to know is has it caused more sales of 360s.
That is the real indicator of how much this is breaking into the new market.
Otherwise is just 360 owners getting another add-on.
Bigpappy  +   1920d ago
I'll buy this guy a beer
I am much more interested in how many Kinect bundle were sold. Like I said with the Move, same goes for Kinect: If it doesn't sell consoles to new users, what the point of making it?
Pennywise  +   1920d ago
OMG am I late for the kinect circle jerk?
Wakka_  +   1920d ago
There's still time to weep.
k-Lan  +   1920d ago
Pennywise. Why are you such a loser? Seriously.
sak500  +   1920d ago
because he's pound foolish. He bought more expensive console and has to justify 3 exclusives games a year and tons of less quality multiplats by constantly bashing the console which has brought sony down on it's knees this gen.
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XabiTheHumble  +   1920d ago
"3 exclusives games a year" thats two more than Microsoft's sorry ass line up next year LMAO!!!
Denethor_II  +   1919d ago
"because he's pound foolish. He bought more expensive console"

My PS3 cost me £240 plus WiFI £0, plus PSN £0= 240
My 360 cost me £220 plus WiFI £48, plus Gold sub £38= £306
PS3 320GB Move bundle £287
360 250GB Kinect bundle £299
frostypants  +   1920d ago
VGChartz needs to be perma-banned from N4G, just as it is on Neogaf. It's a bunch of bullsh*t.
N4Great  +   1920d ago
Hmm. NA is microsoft country boy..i'm not surprise, and nobody (only xdumbfanboyz dreaming of sony fanboyz interested by kinecteyetoy) ignore that powerfull marketing is enough to sell well, especially in us where TV is god.

but even if the camera sell better than anything else in the world, it would just be sad for gamers ! it's pathetic to see stupid fanboyz happy for sales, happy to pay for playing online the same craps each years.

by the way, worlwide, move sold probably better, without 10% of the kinect marketing power.

but comparing the tech, the games, i agree, move has sold not enough.

edit : please stfu fucking msliars, stop spreading misinformation, you don't know how much move sold, and it's not 140000 worlwide omega donkey (1 millions for us : where sheeps are buying more microsoft product and callof games)

Look at the disagree/agree, in each kinect, screenshot comparison, npd sales, the xbox desperate defense force (with 10 multi accounts each) is in full force : it's the best they have to play.
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reckoner  +   1920d ago
"it's pathetic to see stupid fanboyz happy for sales"
Shortly thereafter...

"by the way, worlwide, move sold probably better"

Oh, the irony.
jahcure  +   1920d ago
am i missing something
475k at launch is good? I thought this thing was sold out EVERYWHERE? If the initial shipment was 3 million and this was the "biggest launch ever" 475k is NOT good...These things sell the best as launch and feather out...

for 500million spent on promotions i was expecting a launch of at LEAST 1.5 million in the US alone!

By the way the move is at over 3 million sold, it doesn't matter how long it was out for. Just like you all don't say ps3 sold 42 million in 4 years when 360 sold 38 million in the same time consistent with your numbers and way of tabulation.

5 million sold for the year is not a reasonable estimate anymore...take off the goggles.
units  +   1920d ago
week one sales in america alone
lets not forget kinect only launched in europe
shadyiswin  +   1920d ago
Haters lol
By first week sales they mean thursday-saturday, that's 3 day sales, very impressive on any level, it's only gonna sell more as we get closer to xmas, you guys look so stupid, microsoft is most likely waiting to announce worldwide numbers cause europe will add another million. Then what will you haters say? Oh it's selling out anywhere, these numbers are fake lol
gamingdroid  +   1920d ago
What is unaccounted for is the fact that this is sold to casuals.

Casuals buy stuff at a slower, but steadier pace, and half a million units at $150 is nothing to sneeze at in 2-3 days in one region!

Many high profile games dream of getting that kind of sales in a few days for a smaller price tag, let alone a $150 accessory.
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sak500  +   1920d ago

It's same when sony said ps3 will wipeout 360 in first year of it's launch. We all know BS when we are not fanboys. But to fanboys it's gospel and turn blind eye to anything negative about their chosen platform.
Statix  +   1920d ago
The problem is, sales will fade off drastically over time.
Decent sales, but you expect MUCH MORE when you're devoting $500 million in advertising budget and you're launching something Microsoft is calling a REVOLUTION, let alone simple a new platform/console.

Not to mention that sales could tail off drastically, and the device has a risk of fading off into complete obscurity or social/consumer apathy, if bad word of mouth gets through about either how laggy and unresponsivve the device is, how you need a big apartment/room, the complexity of setting it up and actually making it work, and (most importantly) how LIMITED the device is. My impressions are that Kinect will be something people use 5-10 times and just throw into the closet. If this happens, it doesn't bode well for longevity of sales in the long run for Kinect.

Plus, even if it does outsell PS Move, I personally as a hardcore/real gamer, still FAR prefer the PS Move controller, and I don't think I need to explain to anyone why. Kinect might get some housewives and casuals to buy it in the short term, but I don't think there's any dispute over which device is the more precise, responsive, preferred controller for HARDCORE gamers.
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RBLAZE1988  +   1920d ago
When the move launched it did about 300,000+ in North America and you guys (360 fanboys) said it was a failure. This whole console war bs is a failure and you guys are all tools cause It should've launched stronger than that considering it was on operah and ellen and jimmy kimmel like 3 times. But move was a failure and these numbers are strong?
shadyiswin  +   1920d ago
Move numbers was for a month, not 3 days, fail.
Statix  +   1920d ago
However, Kinect is just for casuals and housewives, and it could just be a fad that fades out by the end of the year. The PS Move has long-term hardcore gamer appeal, and has better word-of-mouth appeal than Kinect (thus far).
Kurt Russell  +   1919d ago
Please say you don't think MOVE and Kinect are any different from each other Statix... They're both Wii clones, for shovelware games.

You can argue bu..bu..bu... "Killzone 3 will use MOVE and that's hardcore"... but lets face it that game will play better and more competitively on a controller.

They're both as shit, and I won't be buying them for the same reasons I never bought a wii.
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ceedubya9  +   1919d ago
I'm going to be honest
I have Kinect and Move, and I love them both for what they do and what they offer my friends and family. I never saw Kinect as a hardcore solution, and even if Move is a better option for hardcore games, I REALLY don't see myself using it exclusively for hardcore games. I still find a controller better, and will most likely continue to use a controller for serious gaming.
Christopher  +   1920d ago
Only 9.5m more sales to go to make up for the $500m advertising costs and then a few more million to make up for initial R&D and the marketing costs from the last year.

Sarcasm aside, congratulations to Microsoft and their sales and good luck going into the Holidays.

P.S. Sony, you really need to learn from Microsoft on how to market a product.
shadyiswin  +   1920d ago
Think about all the new xbox live accounts they will get, not to mention all the first party kinect games are doing great, microsoft knows money.
Christopher  +   1920d ago
I did.

Microsoft is making at most $50 per Kienct Adventure bundle sold, and that's just ridiculously generous (more in the range of $10-20 at most).

Microsoft is likely earning the standard $8 for third party and double for first party title in profits for individual game sales.


Title .................. Units Sold ... Profit Estimate
Kinect Adventures ...... 479,992 ...... $23,999,600
Kinect Sports ......... 142,991 ....... $1,715,892
Dance Central .......... 132,554 ...... $795,324
Kinectimals ............ 98,303 ....... $1,179,636
Your Shape ............. 61,338 ....... $368,028
Fighters Uncaged ....... 31,939 ....... $191,634
Kinect Joyride ......... 31,854 ....... $382,248
Sonic Free Riders ...... 18,402 ....... $110,412
Motion Sports .......... 16,198 ....... $97,188
Adrenalin Msfits ....... 3,602 ........ $21,612
Dance Master ........... 3,459 ........ $20,754

$28,882,328 Total Sales Profit
$500,000,000 Initial Marketing
-$471,117,672 Total Profit

If Micorosft was earning purely profit on their sales, they'd still have to sell 3,333,334 Kinect bundles to equal it out. They're definitely not taking in 33% of the sales as profit, but I equated them as such to be extremely generous and to point out how even then they'd need to sell 10 million units to to make up the initial marketing cost and not take into account previous costs and ongoing costs.

This is a massive investment for Microsoft with a plan to pay off in the long run, not anything in the next year, though.
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Oner  +   1920d ago
Funny how that 33% number keeps ringing up for MS.

...hey it made me chuckle!
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shadyiswin  +   1920d ago
man you guys i swear
you don't think they will sell 4 million kinects? this year alone wait till next xmas when its cheaper and they have star wars for it,kinect is huge and will stay huge for sometime.
gamingdroid  +   1920d ago
Of course you are only counting the near term benefit.

The long term benefit is that they invested into a brand name and a business.

Consider that you look at any technology company that is publicly traded, have at least price to earning in the 15 and that is very conservative. Then a profit of $1 million, gives a market cap of $15 million.

Extrapolate that and suddenly you realize that this business is worth a lot more.

Of course MS isn't just planning on selling 5 million units this holiday, I'm sure they have plans of 30-40 million units at least over the it's lifetime, and that is not counting it's software profit, Xbox Live, Online Marketplace and additional sales of Xbox 360s.

Not to mention the licensing of this technology to other companies (as they own patents), migrate this technology to other parts of the company and so on.

This all hinges on the success and adoption of this technology. Only way of ensuring this technology gets a fair chance is to market the cr@p out of it.

This massive investment certainly speaks volume of MS commitment to Kinect!
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Sheikh Yerbouti  +   1920d ago
With a ROI that piss-poor, why would Sony want to market like Microsoft. Maybe like Apple, cause they need to do more...?
Moonboots  +   1920d ago
Wow, +bubs to you lot for the intelligent exchange.

I can see why you have so many bubbles cgoodno and you remind me of a couple old school N4G'ers whose comments I enjoyed reading before I joined.

They do have an uphill battle to fight. The launch has been solid but they have to continue to push the product and they need to keep it fresh and exciting with updates, features and new games. Games that prove to be getting better, not samey or status quot.

I have to agree that sometimes return on investment is not always monetary. Building a brand and building an install base is worth the investment and in the long run can actually bring more profit.
Kurt Russell  +   1919d ago
Thank you for backing up your figures with 0 sources.

Christopher  +   1919d ago
@gamingdroid: You and I are on the same page. I'm not saying this couldn't pay off, I'm just saying that initial sales still make it look like a mountain they have to overcome to get to that point of profitability. With the amount invested, there's no way they're not going to do their best to overcome it and continue to get it out there in every manner possible.

@Kurt Russell: The numbers are straight from the article. The amount of money a company makes on each sale is straight from Michael Pachter's 'Pach Attack' episode where he gives a run down of how much money each party makes on individual game sales. There's also a ton of common sense thrown in there from my time working in the retail business as a corporate assistant buyer. A job I very happily left behind.
tinybigman  +   1920d ago
Im glad im not one of those who bought a useless camera
Statix  +   1920d ago
We all know the United States is Xbox country. The 360 has a bigger install base in NA, and they spent $500 million to advertise this "revolution."

I'm sorry for not being blown away by the initial launch numbers of Kinect. By 2011, I bet most housewives and casuals will have completely forgotten about Kinect and just throw the device into the closet. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised is that happens.
avengers1978  +   1920d ago
Okay wasn't it supposed to sell Millions and Millions by the end of the year... just sayin' 500,000 isn't going to get them to that huge 5mil.
Trroy  +   1920d ago
...yet its a lower Americas tie ratio than the Move launch, which says something about WW sales.
King-Leonidas  +   1919d ago
*looks at website* VGchartz... carry on people nothing to see here
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Killzoned  +   1919d ago
Cool. PS3 sold much more than Xbox 360 at a higher price in the same time frame lol

Say No More
gtamike   1919d ago | Trolling | show
Tomdc  +   1919d ago
there are a lot more 360s in NA though. I'd be interested to see the attach rates more..
Omega4  +   1920d ago | Well said
Wow so in just 2 days it sold half a million in the US alone 0.o

In comparison Move sold 140K in 3days WW (except Japan).

Think its safe to say Kinect haters are owned....big time.

Dance Central and Kinect Sports should be million sellers by year end too.

Some advice Chris, before you say the games on Kinect are lacking why don't you try them first? They may not have blood and gore and a deep storyline, but they are fun, good old fashion fun. Thats enough for me and the millions who will buy Kinect. And just having fun satisfied Wii owners too, you should have a change once and a while you might actually like it.
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Chris399  +   1920d ago
You know Omega,
I haven't been around here much lately, because I've been - amongst the general grind of life, friends and family - PLAYING GAMES.

You should try that some time. Sales are irrelevant. Both MS and Sony are neck and neck. And the greater concern for me as a consumer, are the increasing tendencies toward on disc DLC, relentless micro-transactions, overpriced 6 hour games and ever inflating development budgets.

All this has made me step back as a consumer and say: "Hey, whoa, let's slow this wallet-rape down a bit."

You seem to exhibit no such sense or discrimination in your tastes. $150 for a high-tech webcam and some flailing/ dance/ shovel-ware games is just a demonstration of imprudence. Most reviewers have shared this notion, that the tech is good, but the games (the REASON for owning Kinect, Move, whatever) are lacking. I believe this is true of both Kinect and Move. The latter of which, having received as a b-day present, hasn't had much use past the initial new-tech fuzzies.

Mostly I've been playing retro games, indie games and MMOs. Because of the VALUE and GAME-PLAY. Two things which rarely seem to factor into your rhetoric.

Edit: @ Omega. You're assuming that I haven't tried Kinect, when in fact I have. My brother in law picked up the device and we had a Dance Central showdown. Fun stuff, but really no different from the Wii except the added pixel count. Don't assume that I associate "core" with blood and boobs. If anything, I'm a Braid, Flower, Ico type gamer. I prefer stories and compelling experiences to fluff. And that's what 90% of motion controlled gaming is: fluff. There's nothing wrong with that, but advocating the device as if it's revolutionary when it's simply producing the same sorts of games that we've seen for YEARS - DDR anyone? - with a fresher coat of pain, just illuminates your tunnel-vision.
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Homicide  +   1920d ago
In denial are we? How do you know he doesn't play games?

Maybe he's interested in talking about sales because mostly, if not every, PS3 fanboy in here was saying Kinect and its games were going to flop. However, that didn't happen. Kinect sold almost half a million in two days in one region, which is very impressive. Also, a few Kinect games got very positive reviews like Dance Central and Kinectimals. Many people here were bashing Kinectimals.

Lastly, maybe Omega likes those types of games or they caught his interest. Not everyone has the same taste. I'm interested in trying out Dance Central. It looks very fun, and it's not a game I would normally play.
Chris399  +   1920d ago
I don't think that anyone with the smallest measure of sense thought that Kinect was going to fail with a 500 million dollar advertising budget and endorsements from Oprah, Ellen and Justin Bieber.

What exactly am I in denial about? Omega's proven, rabid obsession with sales figures? Check out his comment history. His frequent daily posts? Again, see the above. Step one is recognizing that you have a problem.

Dance Central IS fun, but personally I weigh the cost of Dance Central + Kinect (over $200 Canadian) vs. value and come up rather short. I don't know why people are so eager these days to feed money to corporations for unrealized visions. When it has a library of budget titles and genres other than "party", I'll give it a second look.
Philaroni  +   1920d ago
That is my only issue with Kinect is that for how much it cost I can get AC:BH, CoD BO, Kz3, and GT5.

(Most of those games have 10-20$ bonus offers on amazon)

That and I live in an efficiency which is basically a very small apartment, even if I had Kinect it would not work for me being I don't have the room for it.

What I get for what I'd have to pay for Kinect at this moment is not worth it unless you just want to be an early adopter which is fine. I hope it continues to sell well but it looks like MS is loosing perspective and pushing aside the hardcore gamer too much for my taste.

(I'm confused to what people are disagreeing with?)
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N4WAH  +   1920d ago
Chris399, Excellent post but you are wasting your time man,
you are wasting your time.

Kinect is the must have device for any hardcore 360 fan. Skittles and Dance Central are amazing! I own my buddies hard on those games. No one can touch my leopard who I named Victim of Hypocrisy! He is uber baddass man, I'm telling you!

Gotta run guys, Victim wants to play jump rope. Man this cat is sick cool.

Now casual gaming is dah bomb cause MS told us so.
Deal with it Chris! /s

BTW incase you didn't know.
Say one thing negative about Kinect and you are a Sony fanboy or have never touched it. Casual motion gaming ROCKS! Oh I'm so excited I think I'm going dance now! *powers on Kinect*

I'm saving up for a disco ball to go with DC. I'm broke from all that killer software I purchase for my Kinect today. Don't worry. I gave the kid at VGChartz my numbers so he can adjust them accordingly for this article. /s
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The Maxx  +   1920d ago
@ Chris399
"Dance Central IS fun, but personally I weigh the cost of Dance Central + Kinect (over $200 Canadian) vs. value and come up rather short. I don't know why people are so eager these days to feed money to corporations for unrealized visions."

What is considered "value" to you may not be considered "value" to someone else.

I don't think a PS3 at launch for $600 with no games was considered a "valuable" purchase yet I still went out and bought one as well as a few thousand others. Maybe those that purchased a PS3 without games are the same kind of people that bought Kinect, they saw something in it that was worth their money.

Don't force your opinions onto others.
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Chris399  +   1920d ago
Maxx. Perceived value or market value?
There is a difference. To the average person, $200+ is a significant chunk of change. Your PS3 analogy is moot, as you are discussing perceived value, which is indeed a personal thing.

Market value, on the other hand, is an indisputable figure that comes from a combination of cost of living, average salary and other socio-economic strata.

I have two properties, I make very decent cash, but that doesn't mean that $200 is suddenly small change. To someone who is not as comfortable as I am, it is definitely not a frivolous amount of cash.

I'm not "forcing" my opinion on anyone. This is an open forum for discussion, so you are free to accept or ignore my views. But as far as market value, Kinect is indeed expensive, and I'm not the only one saying it (mentioned in almost every review). Just like the PS3 was, just like Lamborghinis are. You can't argue market value.

Edit: Careful reading is key. Notice in the bit that you quoted I said "personally" in conjunction with value. That is the differentiator. Clearly I am talking about perceived value, which varies by individual.
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King-Leonidas  +   1919d ago
Chris pwned the fanboys...
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The Maxx  +   1919d ago
@ Chris399
My example only applies to personal Value, since your comment was about personal value. Hence why I said

"I don't think a PS3 at launch for $600 with no games was considered a "valuable" purchase yet I still went out and bought one as well as a few thousand others."

in response to your comment. So there was no mention or indication of "market value". It's what we each perceive as value for our money. My point was Me owning a PS3 at launch had less value at it's price point than the value that kinect is offering at $150+tax. You even said so yourself that you had fun playing it but $200 to you is too much, yet if you had bought a PS3 at $600+tax at launch with no games....then there wasn't much fun to have had then considering the money that was spent.
Chris399  +   1919d ago
Regardless of perceived value, $150 for a device is expensive - analysts agree, the market agrees, personally (my perceived value) I agree as well. My 3rd response was mostly a retort to your belligerence that I'm "forcing" my opinion on people, in what is an open, internet forum for debate.

Arguing semantics doesn't change the fact that in both instances, you are wrong.
Biggest  +   1920d ago
Kinect's sales were almost never in question. If there is one thing we've learned over the years it's that people will buy things that are presented as the next big thing. It doesn't matter to them if they work as well or better than other things. You have recent examples like the iPhone 4, iPad, Xbox 360 (until the S), and Microsoft Vista. If your only concern in life is negative sales for the Kinect, you will be disappointed. If you are concerned with the direction of gaming (as a "core" gamer) you will be disappointed by Kinect's positive sales. With no compatability with current games and no visible compatability with future core games, core gamers that expect more from Kinect got owned....big time. When the tech website took Kinect apart piece by piece the future should have become clear. Some people actually thought Kinect was new and powerful. They were wrong. Some people now believe that it'll be up to the software. When the technology is there, software can create excellent core gaming. When the technology is old and previously explored (which is the case with Kinect), software can't create core experiences that haven't been already perfected. Lucky for those in wait, a few "core" gaming franchises have adopted Kinect support. Time will tell if they can squeeze more power from limited technology.
Pillville  +   1920d ago
Omega is an MS employee. Fact.
That's why he cares so much about sales.
The real killer  +   1920d ago
That's is one of those the reason i put you in my ignore list.

You are always blabbing about sales and lies.
Bigpappy  +   1920d ago
@ Chris399
Your trying to play both sides here-- You own a move dude. Send me a Kinect as a gift and I would gladly return mine and join your fight against the greedy corporations. If you were sooo annoyed by this greed you refer to, you would refuse that present. With all those long drawn out post what it seems to boil down to is that you are jealous fanboy who can actually write very well.

@Biggest."Kinect's sales were almost never in question" Come on now. When did you get back from your 6 month vacation? You mean to tell me that all those Kinect will fail post and article that I have been reading for the past 6 months were all in my head. I have to go and pull up 1 years worth of data to show you up on that comment?

What is shocking to me is that these numbers are not official, and are much lower than I expect M$ to release very soon. It is nice though to get a preview of the nonsense you guys have planed to counter the high sales numbers and success of Kinect. Calling people names and pretending that you are so special because you bought a Move just shows your childish brand loyalty and anger against this very fun device.
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vhero  +   1919d ago
move sold 350k WW on launch.... Omega4 do you just pull these numbers out your ass?
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Zir0  +   1920d ago
Thats 10% of their 5ml in just 3 days in only 1 region, very impressive to say the least.
Biggest  +   1920d ago
I wonder how much the other regions in the world will buy. Do they expect any help from the Japanese market?
Statix  +   1920d ago
Their most important, viable region. PLUS, we don't know how much the sales will die down after all the dumb marketing hype and "Oprah factor" subsides. There's a chance Kinect will completely fade off into obscurity and be completely forgotten by the general public in early 2011.

Like I said, it's no surprise for a product to do half-way decent launch numbers, in the company's biggest market/region, when you're spending half-a-billion in marketing. $500 million is enough to make the dump I took this morning fashionable/marketable.
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vhero  +   1919d ago
@Statix yep exactly like the eyetoy did.. That sold over 1 million on it's launch week and fell on its ass. So initial sales mean zip right now.
Sweeper_  +   1920d ago
Good sales.If this is anything to go by it will outsell Move in no time
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Shaka2K6  +   1920d ago
Decent sales, but I was expecting alot more since ms spended more then 500m on marketing.
Sony spended almost no money on marketing and Move has already sold millions.

microsoft spends 500m and kinect hasn't even sold 1 million yet? pathetic.
ct03  +   1920d ago
You expected a lot more? The Wii sold 600,000 units in its first 8 days. It doesn't get much better than that.
Philaroni  +   1920d ago
It to be honest does not matter if one outsells the other all that much being they both are very different kinds of motion gaming. It be best if they both do well and we see good support for each, but all that is relative to the fact they are both fundamentally different.
Jazz4108  +   1920d ago
Did you forget move has been out a month and kinect has been out days and you expected it to outsell it by then. Your nuts. If this numbers are real then it will pass it by a lot once comparable time fram of one month has eclipsed.
dtrain21  +   1920d ago
What happened to MOVE..oh yeah everyone forgot about it
NYC_Gamer  +   1920d ago
PSMove/Kinect are both successful...we all can admit that no matter what console you favor..
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Parapraxis  +   1920d ago
"we all can admit that no matter what console you favor."
Unless of course they are fanatics Nyc, they won't admit it.

I dislike Kinect and like Move, but they both have done really well.
ash_divine  +   1920d ago
don't even bother with people like dtrain21
fanboys like him are sad, sad individuals.
blackburn5  +   1920d ago
No, Move is still there. It's just fanboys are trying to pretend it doesn't exist. It's still selling and still on back order in some cases.And still getting great reviews and testimonials. As usual fanboys always think that if they ignore something enough everyone will forget about it. Just like the original Xbox,RROD and Kinect's lag
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RBLAZE1988  +   1920d ago
everyone will forget about kinect soon too...don't worry
EasilyTheBest  +   1920d ago
The same old rubbish will now start...
... Shipped or Sold.
... Thought it would have been more.
... Not suprised with Oprah ETC.
... Not suprised 500 million ad budget.
... But Kinect dont work, lag, lag.
... But but what about all the returns.
... Cant trust VG stats, unless when its prefered console
... Oh, and shipped not sold.
... Casuals are stupid.

And on and on and on...
Silly gameAr  +   1920d ago
I thought maybe 10 mil or 20 mill the way it was supposed to be selling out all over the place. Not bad though.
KILLERAPP  +   1920d ago
Good star same for the move, this is a marathon good games will help drive these motion controllers if developers can make good games it will sell a lot more…
PS360PCROCKS  +   1920d ago
if true that's pretty good
ArcFatalix  +   1920d ago
wasnt kinect going to sell million day 1
Not impressive atall boo.

Move has 2.5 million.

Both are going to be successful
SiteNblog Defender  +   1920d ago
Move sold 2.5 million over a span of a few months. Kinect sold half a million in just 2 days in NA.

Move sold 300k in ten days for NA.

Cue the disagrees.
mandf  +   1920d ago
It came out at the end of september. Get you facts straight.
Nariko-2011  +   1920d ago
Sorry to butt in but end of september? I think not
PlayStation Move was released in the
PAL region and most Asian markets
on September 15, 2010, in North
America on September 17, 2010,
mandf  +   1920d ago
as i said in the last half of september making it not even 2 months old
Makidian  +   1920d ago
That link is pure speculation on an analyst part, get a clue and learn how to read.
ct03  +   1920d ago
You said "at the end of september". If September 15 and 17 is not "mid-September" then what is?
mandf  +   1920d ago
I'm not putting anything down the above poster said a few months and i clarified less than. Nothing more nothing less.
Nathaniel_Drake  +   1920d ago
What was the ad budget for Move vs Kinect, yeah that is why I gave you a disagree
snp  +   1920d ago
Move sold 2.5 million over a span of a few months.

Actually 2.5 million was 30 days shipping, excluding Japan. 1.5 million Europe, 1 million US - unless you're getting the number from somewhere else?

It would be safe to assume they've shipped more since then (including 500k-1million or so for Japan).

The rest of the numbers aren't worth debating - they're VGChartz nonsense. Worse than the homespun trolling blogs than turn up on this site because of this nonsense 'pseudo' credibility people bestow on them (knowing better, but i guess doing it because it suits their agenda).
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Simco876  +   1920d ago
500 million dollars gets you 500k I guess
0oAngeluso0  +   1920d ago
Pretty sweet numbers
If your a Microsoft fan, I expected it to be honest, it's only going to get better since it's getting closer to Christmas, it's definitely the Must have item this year. I'm glad I got mine, I couldn't be happier with it! Kinect Adventures will be Platinum in no time!
rekof  +   1920d ago
''Must have item this year''


edit: Down ,.. Still NOT ,.. I don't even know what furby and tickle elmo is,..(Europe) -sounds like something 2 year olds would play with,.. Not gamers,.. 150usd sounds kind of pricey for a teddy bear,.. Im going to check wtf you are talking about now,..

edit2: I see, demographics is more or less the same, I guess,..
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0oAngeluso0  +   1920d ago
It's on every News program
On every show, billboard, magazine. it's everywhere. People are all talking about it, it's the new Furbie or tickle me Elmo. It truly is the "Must have" Holiday item. Laugh or doubt it all you want, but fanboys hearts must be breaking all over at this time.
Silly gameAr  +   1920d ago
That's what 500 mill will get you. Brought hype, not earned.
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Silly gameAr  +   1920d ago
My bad.
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k-Lan  +   1920d ago
rekof / foker.

How are you not banned with a double account? Mods a little biased?? No surprise there.
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Homicide  +   1920d ago
Not surprised with the Sony fanboys screaming "fake!" "VGC is unreliable!" I could have sworn you PS3 zombies were jumping for joy when a VGChartz article said PS3 was outselling the 360 on a weekly basis.
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strickers  +   1920d ago
I just went by the official figures.That showed VGcharts had been very wrong since the launch of the 360s and PS3 was still outselling it.Thing is that most of you don't seem to realise is PS3 is more successful(faster selling)than 360.That's the fact of it and most 360 fans just believed the media presented,perceived success.Same as Kinect will sell but ultimately will always be the inferior game controller next to Move,it may just take awhile for the slower ones to catch on.
Makidian  +   1920d ago
VGC is always wrong and in the business of fellating Microsoft. It doesn't matter who they say was outselling who, their numbers are always wrong, and these are just further proof of that.
k-Lan  +   1920d ago
You seriously have issues. PS fanboys are always negative. Whats your point exactly? What?
snp  +   1920d ago
This is the trouble. People know damn well 'no-one' who isn't an MS fanboy/troll - and has seen the sites behaviour - is propping up VGChartz.

This claim 'oh, but last week PS3 fans were propping it up' is rubbish. I've been in every one of those threads and the vast majority of people have said the same thing - VGChartz is garbage.

'Oh, but last week you were ok with them! I could have sworn it!' simply isn't true. It's a sneak to get the numbers through with the pretence you don't know you're up to no good or that you are somehow 'imitating' someone else's dodgy behavior.

K-Lan: His 'point' is simple. The site is rubbish. It's insincere rubbish, and it's desperate and dishonest of people to keep propping it up. If that sounds 'negative', so be it. Take your own advice and do something 'positive' by not helping to prop up this fraudulent site and you won't have to read frustrated or aggravated backlash that comes from it. VGChartz is simply a trolling website, and people utilising it are knowingly 'trolling' - it's them you should be directing questions to really.
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sayonara89  +   1920d ago
VGC - lol
ThatIrishGamer  +   1920d ago
Probably the same numbers ....
That MS talk about xboxes with.

Ie sold to RETAILERS.
BrianG  +   1920d ago
Honestly it doesn't matter. If they are sold to retailers the product is in high demand. So it will sell out. I know a few local shops that still have them, but once people find out I'm sure they will be gone.

So regardless, 450,000 sold as of yet, or 450,000 sold within the next few days. Doesn't matter, its still an impressive number.
gigaware  +   1920d ago
Sold to retailers will be a much higher number VGC claims to track sold to consumers.
AceofStaves  +   1920d ago
I don't understand how VGC can claim to track sold to consumers. What, do they have a scout in every single store that sells consoles and games from open to close?

I prefer official numbers from the companys' financial statements, since they can't lie to their investors, given that they're publicly traded.

If VGC's estimates are accurate, that's a great start for Kinect.
Clarence  +   1920d ago
Yeah right I will wait for a more credible source.
Light Yagami  +   1920d ago
Like Sankaku Complex? lol
Killed4Less  +   1920d ago
haha yup VGC bad but someone posts Sony and MS's numbers in that article and they get over 125 disagrees.

Now we will see 125 agrees that VGC are garbage and we should be using Sony and MS numbers.

Then you have Sony announcing only sold while MS is shipped AGAIN. Even when Sony themselves came out and said the Move numbers are shipped.

gypsygib  +   1920d ago
That's not at all impressive considering the 500mill they're spending on marketing. From a business standpoint, Move may be more profitable.
Biggest  +   1920d ago
This is an excellent point. Since we're here talking about sales as if we're shareholders I would think that the bottom line is much more important than the perceived success. I wonder what Sony is spending on marketing the Move in relation to their sales. We have a ballpark number for Kinect's marketing (R&D not included) and know that it needs to sell a hell of a lot more to break even, let alone bring in profit.
Soldierone  +   1920d ago
Being Microsoft they probably inclued all the giveaways and promotions into the sales too haha.
WaggleLOL  +   1920d ago
This has nothing to do with Microsoft. This is just some kid Xbox fan making up fake sales numbers.
SiteNblog Defender  +   1920d ago
I think you need this waggle.
Ginbe  +   1920d ago
*Kutaragi looks his Move*

rrw  +   1920d ago
will it have same fate with Wii
You know after holiday people tend to let wii become dust collector and buy only nintendo game since other are cheap looking.

kinect probably sell 5 million after holiday. then people wii forgot until next holiday where first party title comeout. also issue with kinect is that they game will be familiar. it has to be dance, fitness, casual/kiddie and "on rail" gameplay. they will be some unique one but it will be make up 1/5. also they has to be exclusives to kinect. yes people will use as other feature like voice recognition but they will be no game on middle of the year which is i called it "wii syndrome"

while for move, becouse lot of they very similar with wii. this make developer interesting to it since the just have to make it HD or if developer want to creating game but they limited to wii hardware. you pretty much can hope epic mickey or monster hunter will be on ps3. along with first party you pretty much see they is large number of support already. it also easily adopted to some game as optional accessory which make it very comfortable to adopt.
joex  +   1920d ago
Move = 300,000 in a month
Kinect = 475.000 in two days!!
BrianG  +   1920d ago
I don't mean to pick on you explicitly, because a lot of you are doing it.

Most of the comments here seem like they are attacking the PS3 fanboys who were ranting about Kinect failing. But comments like yours just show that you are an Xbox Fanboy.

Do the sales really matter to us non fanboys? They are nice to know for sure, but its not going to make me throw out my Move or go buy Kinect (which I'm still waiting to try out).

Its never going to end by the way. If the PS3 were to outsell the Xbox you guys would be right back in there claiming fake numbers, just like the PS3 fanboys are here claiming fake numbers.
Makidian  +   1920d ago
Move = 1 million in a month, there is no concrete sell through data

Kinect = 475k in three days from a site that obtains data through extremely questionable means, hmmmm, something ain't right.
angelrebirth  +   1919d ago
They never spent 500 000 for the move's marketing.
Masterchef2007  +   1920d ago
I rather wait for the official numbers from Microsoft. I dont really trust VG cause there numbers are either blown up or slashed.
Nariko-2011  +   1920d ago
I have a feeling those numbers wont satisfy you either
Just a hunch
Masterchef2007  +   1920d ago
Well as long as microsoft says sold to consumers im fine with that. I just dont trust VG charts
Light Yagami  +   1920d ago
B-b-b-but Kinect is going to flop :(

PS3 fanboys = owned.
Biggest  +   1920d ago
Kinect is awesome, right!? I love how there are so many games for it. You can do fake fitness. You can jump and wave your arms while pretending to be a person on a raft, rail cart, running track, AND as a hedgehog. It doesn't matter that the gameplay is exactly the same for all of them. Kinect is awesome not because all of the games are the same, but because it's going to sell. Good to know!
kasasensei  +   1919d ago
"pretending to be"
You know, it's the leitmotiv of any video game. Pretending to be or to act like somebody or something... It doesn't matter if you try it with a "classic" gamepad, a "random" motion controller, or with your body alone, at the end it's the same thing.

And by the way, your remark against the : "it's playing exactly the same for all of them" is pretty hypocrite, because you can say the same for a ton of games!
strickers  +   1920d ago
Most people(except idiot fanboys)knew it would sell but the smart ones just realise the hype and who the real fools are.I remember all the 360 fans crowing about sales before,and the truth is a little different,especially if you are capable of the big picture view and some basic maths.
ash_divine  +   1920d ago
I will never understand fanboys
The enjoyment they get from looking at numbers(that don't affect them in anyway) is pathetic.
Buffniceguy  +   1920d ago
Can all you console fanboys do me a solid? GO AWAY
BrianG  +   1920d ago
Unlike the rest of the fanboys in here comparing these sales to Moves sales, I'm just going to say good job Microsoft. If the numbers are legit then thats some good sales figures for NA.

Anyone who thought this would sell good has been in denial for a while now, just because you don't like it doesn't mean others wont buy it.
Otheros00  +   1920d ago
Fake!! Omega4 posted this. Don't give it any hits.
Shazz  +   1920d ago
so didnt even hit 1 million after microsoft splurging 500 mill on it lmfao
Nariko-2011  +   1920d ago
Your comment seems desperately sad
Just an observation
Cannot believe I'm entertaining your lunacy but that 500million is a worldwide marketing budget that will span until early next year. 500k sales in 2 days in 1 region is not the end genius, it's for the 1st TWO DAYS! half what SONY SHIPPED in one month in just 2 DAYS.
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Shazz  +   1920d ago
so you think 500k sales after spending 500 mill is good ? hmmm im only saying that its not as good as what ms were thinking they wanted at least 1 million 1st day in u.s as thats were it will sell most .

lmao deluded much gigaware
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gigaware  +   1920d ago
Probably more than doubled by now that was just two days of sales in one region. A week has passed and kinect has launched Worldwide now. Kinect will crush the competition during the Black Friday kick off and the 500 million will be the excuse of the generation.
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Motorola  +   1919d ago
So when VGchartz shows good kinect sales? They are legit right? LOL fanboys
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