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PlayStation 3 Has Outsold Xbox 360 (NSFW)

Statistics published by top game developer Tose show that with 42 million the total number of PS3s sold globally have exceeded the Xbox 360 by a million units.

The statistics coe by way of a presentation by Tose (a prolific Kyoto-based game developer best known for not being known, as their games as usually credited exclusively to the company outsourcing the work to them, most often Nintendo) at the Kyoto Cross Media Experience 2010, published by Famitsu.

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cmrbe2473d ago

This is getting boring. Watching x360 fans defend kinetic is alot more fun.

ShinMaster2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

Well, it's nothing really new. That's how it tends to be in Japan.

[edit] Oh never mind. They're talking worldwide numbers.

MinskyM2473d ago Show
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MinskyM2473d ago

It really is amazing when you look back to how we got here:

* Microsoft rushed the Xbox 360 hardware out a year before this gen started in 2005. And a year and a half before the PS3 launched in Europe to try to pad out their installed base like a runner jumping the gun hoping they can beat two faster competitors.

* Sony and Nintendo switched to reporting only actual sales numbers in 2006. Microsoft remains the only company that still tries to pass off shipped numbers as real sales

* Towards the end of the first year of the Xbox 360 a 20 something year old Xbox fan gets banned from the neogaf forums for posting fake sales numbers. He runs off an creates the fake sales numbers site vgchartz. He is able to easily inflate 360 sales numbers thanks to Microsoft's reporting of shipped numbers instead of actual sales. The kid gleefully reports Microsoft and their infamous '10 million' 'sold' number when the actual sales numbers was somewhere in the 7-8 million range. Microsoft floods the retail channel with so many extra 360s to make their PR announcement they end up shipping 0 new 360s for the entire next quarter due to stores have so many unsold units still sitting on the shelves.

* The PS3 ships as the most expensive console in history in 2006. 200 dollars more expensive than the 360.

* The PS3 quickly dumps the 360 into last place in Japan

* The PS3 then dumps the 360 into last place in Europe. Microsoft can't even get their fake sales numbers right for Europe in trying to claim they weren't in last place. Microsoft ends up reporting they 'hit 10 million' two different times months apart

* PS3 software sales top 360 software sales

* PS3 worldwide quarterly sales numbers start outselling the 360 by a huge amount and worldwide installed base of the PS3 is almost past the 360. Major Nelson accidentally uses actual sales numbers. Alan Greenburg scrambles a day later with 360 shipments numbers in attempt at damage control. And the 360 worldwide installed base numbers include the millions and millions of duplicate 360s bought due the RRoD and other hardware defects.

All this while the PS3 is still the launch price of the PS2, 300 dollars. Crazy to think what the PS3 sales will be like when it hits the 200 price where the PS2 exploded in sales. The PS3 probably has another 7 years of sales left. It can easily end up in the 120 to 140 million worldwide installed base range just by selling 15 million consoles a year as it drops through the 200, 150, and finally 100 prices.

MajestieBeast2473d ago

Btw Hitomi Tanaka's bewbs>Ps3>wii>360

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shoddy2473d ago

MS having a 1mil ban console sales eminating so give it

another month and ps3 will pass xbox globaly not just

NA that count.

DORMIN2473d ago

I've got this sudden urge to google the word hentai

/sarcasm

On topic: Once GT5 hits, it gonna get crazy!

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doa7662473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

if the numbers are not accurate it doesn't matter, if it's not now then it will happen in a few months

BUT BY NOW IT'S A FACT THAT MICROSOFT WILL END THIS GENERATION IN THE LAST PLACE

insomnium2473d ago

Great post minsky. bubs up for interesting.

doa7662473d ago

living on a country where the PS2 and the 360 games sold are 100% pirated I can tell you that there's a bigt piracy factor is sales that most people are counting on

the PS2 sold millions and millions of units to people who never bought a game, just like the 360

had the PS3 been hacked soon after hitting the market and for real(jailbreak is very limited) the sales number would've past the 360 at least 2 years ago

there's literally millions of PS2 owners who opted for the 360 only because it's 100% hacked and they never bought a game, and those people are much more than the ones who bought a PS3 just to play blu rays

if you take that into account plus the millions of 360 that were damaged and thrown away, the PS3 userbase is much bigger than 360s

mastiffchild2473d ago

With the RROD/E74 and YLOD variables plus the banned yearly 360 numbers what we really need to know is how many actual working PS360s there are in the wild. I've always thought the number of each actually in circulation must be closer than sales indicated and if this is accurate(which, like all sales data, it won't be) then the difference could be big in PS3's favour-but who knows?

The Lazy One2471d ago

@"Let me ask you a question. How do movies studios keep up with how much money their movies make from ticket sales?"

HAH. they don't. They do the same thing that microsoft and sony do. They call 5 large retailers/theaters and estimate the total sales.

There's still a buttload of theatres that don't even have computers for their tickets.

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Masamori Sumimura2473d ago

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I'm pretty sure the xbox360 still has a 800K + Lead on the PS3.

ShinMaster2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

Under 1mil is practically a tie.

From 8 mil to 800k, that's one hell of a fast selling PS3, considering it's launch price and all that.

And even if 360 really was at 45mil, Sony needed to have sold 5mil more PS3s than 360 within a shorter amount of time, to cut the gap from 8mil to 3mil.

DemiT2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

According to the official Quarterly statements,

Sony has sold 41.6million ps3s, while
MS has sold 44.6m 360s.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...
http://www.microsoft.com/in...

Both MS and Sony have officially stated that they report "recorded sales".

This is the truth.
Even if the ps3 fanboys disagree, it is still the truth.
If you don't believe me, then ask me for links.
Better still, do your own homework.

shoddy2473d ago

2 months from now xbox gonna be 3rd place.

I won't make fun of it for being 3rd cause I don't care for sales.

OneSneakyMofo2473d ago

It doesn't make a difference. Gran Turismo 5's coming up. That alone will sell a million+ consoles within a month.

PS3 will surpass the 360 in sales by April 2011. Bookmark my words.

vhero2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

them quarterly statements by MS are numbers shipped (sold to retailers) not numbers sold. We already know they are devious for it.. It clearly say it on the statement.. Sonys numbers however are consoles sold to customers..

mint royale2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

Sony's numbers are not sold to consumers they are consoles sold. How many people have misinterpreted that 2006 statement by Sony!? They don't report 'sell-through' which would be numbers to consumers but 'sold' which is what they have sold to retailers (the retailers are the ones that buy off Sony!). Before 2006 Sony reported numbers produced. Nothing wrong with that, thats just how they did it. So they reported that they changed from shipped to sold. Simple.

Nintendo have never made any such statement of changing, despite many claims on here, that helps certain posters with their stories. Nintendo have always reported sold to retailers.

Same with MS. Their numbers are not sold to consumer but sold to retailers. The 45 million that Greenburg claimed was not to consumers, as if he would report lower numbers, he always talks about numbers sold to retailers.

10thnightvolley2473d ago

looooool look at all the ps3 fans agreeing with that article just a site with a number on it... and all those figures FAIL..

ps2 did 140 million plus... FACT. not 120mil

ps3 is about 41 now.

xbox360 is 45mil..

so some anime porn site post numbers and all of a sudden is more credible that major game site and u all rush to agree.. that is sad.!

THunt2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

PS2 is over 150 million according to the latest numbers.

It really is amazing to see just how far vgchartz has been lying about sales numbers.

zootang2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

You boys are sad, clinging on to that year. The PS3 has outsold the 360 fact!

Years at market 360 vs PS3

2005 vs Not out yet
2006 vs 2006
2007 vs 2007
2008 vs 2008
2009 vs 2009
2010 vs 2010

Now what are them totals again?

Sony3602473d ago

Actually it's over a million ahead still.

Oner2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

There are those that make claims with NO FACTS to comment their "opinion"...and then there are those who make statements that are verifiable WITH FACTS to uphold their comments. Here is my proof from the Sony internal reports/documents ~

"Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method or reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed ***from shipments to recorded sales***"

Page 4 ~ http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

Page 1 ~ http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

Nintendo & Sony for YEARS have counted SELL THROUGH (to consumers) for their consoles. While MS has NEVER changed from using SELL IN (to retailers).

This has been PROVEN ad nauseam time and time again. But there are still a few who hold on to misinformed BS because of a biased agenda.

mint royale2473d ago

Hello Oner.

THe mistake your making is the fact that you think that report means they have changed to sold to consumer. 'Recorded sales' is what they changed to. Who buys off Sony - the retailers! That is where their recorded sales are. Sony used to announce units produced, but now rocorded sales. Not that hard.

OH and please find a link to where Nintendo supposedly changed the way they report in 2006. They have always reported sold to retailers.

MS too report sold to retailers so your right there.

Also Oner you mention sellthrough as being used by Sony. That is sometimes true for little upda but never on these quarterly reports.

Its not a biased agenda if its right :) No doubt I'l be labelled a MS fan even though I don't like the company.

Anyways regards Oner, even though you won't listen to anything I've had to say :)

Oner2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

My comment below @ #2.1.7 (the last 5 links) already disproves your opinion...again. Plus I still see no "proof" that supports your comments ANYWHERE at all.

wii ftw2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

I don' think it does end the argument. At 2.1.7 you spend most of it proving that MS reports sold to retailer which everyone agrees with....

Also Major Nelsonhas changed his numbers now but people seem to ignore that... But even so, MS probably had sold around 42 million to consumers as of Septmeber 30th.

However you have not provided any evidence from sony that they changed to consumer on their financial reports so NO you haven't proved anything. Actually read what Sony said they had changed to - recorded sales - NOT to consumers! Sony and any other company for that matter may use sell through but not in the financial reports. You haven't proved that they sell to consumer on these reports because you can't. And please leave sites that also have go tthe wrong end of the stick out of this.

This is all pointless anyway because the 2 consoles have sold in a virtual tie - if you want to see domination that actually matters look at the ps2 or wii.

Also do you want people to find proof of sony saying actually they dont report to consumers? This is a non-subject to them or their rivals because they actually know the truth, they don't have to come out to disprove fanboy misconceptions.

frostypants2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

Quote, FROM MICROSOFT: "We **shipped** (emphasis added) 2.8 million Xbox 360 consoles during the first quarter of fiscal year 2011, compared with 2.1 million Xbox 360 consoles during the first quarter of fiscal year 2010."

Fiscal year 2011 is through this past September. If you look at their numbers, that "2.8 million SHIPPED" is what they put on their sales chart, that also reflects the 44.5 million total. Translation: Microsoft numbers are SHIPPED, and that applies to the 44.5 million as well...unless they are putting numbers from completely different contexts on the same charts (obviously, they are not).

Further, Sony has explicitly stated that they report SOLD instead of SHIPPED.

@"mint royale", your entire claim assumes that when Sony reported "shipped", they were actually reporting "manufactured". This is of course complete nonsense. A company cannot ship that which has not been ordered by a retailer, thus "shipped" IS retailer purchases. Thus, when Sony made the switch, they indeed were talking about consumer sales.

As of the end of September Sony had SOLD 41.6 million units to CONSUMERS.

In summary, as of the end of September, we know the following:

PS3s sold TO CONSUMERS: 41.6 million
360s sold TO RETAILERS: 44.5 million

This is from their own literature, and the sold vs. shipped reporting methods are demonstrable and demonstrated fact, so please people, stop throwing up that strawman. The stockholders sure as hell know it.

How close the systems truly are in terms of consumer sales is entirely dependent on how much Microsoft is stuffing the channels.

And even then, odds are that the PS3 actually has the bigger INSTALL BASE, given the likely number of 360s that were replacements.

None of this matters from a gaming perspective, of course. It's only interesting as a comparison of how two companies distribute financial information and the means by which they leverage them to compete.

BigTwitchy2472d ago

Well I like 360 more than PS3. Lets see how many disagrees I get.

mint royale2472d ago

@frostypants

Where did you get that from? SHIPPED to sony was units produced - the untils produced were SHIPPED to their warehouses. When retailers made the order they SOLD them to them. Companies produce what they expect to sell to retailers - thats why we see company projections of future sales etc so they know how much to produce.

Your misunderstanding comes from a different idea of what shipped and sold is. To us shipped = retailers, sold = consumers. However to compamnies - shipped = units produced for their warehouses, sold = their sales to retailers - unit sales.

Sony have never said they mean consumer sales in their financial reports. Simple.

I agree that MS figures are retailers thoguh.

Hideo_Kojima2472d ago

Its not 3..2..1.. FIGHT!
Its 3..2..1.. FINISHED!

The Lazy One2472d ago

mint royal is right.

Seriously, how would any company track 40+million units sold to consumers? They'd have to gather information from hundreds of thousands of retailers internationally to get an accurate number. A good number of retailers don't even have a good way to report their inventory. They'd have to employ a team of people just to compile all that data, which is useless to their investors, and then have a team of lawyers to figure out how to collect that data for each region.

Nobody tracks sales to consumers because it's just stupidly difficult and doesn't provide any useful information to anyone except internet trolls. Both use estimates (similar to what NPD does but internal) by using an algorithm that calculates based off of several large retailers.