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Next gen consoles to get tessellation

Although they are still quite some time away, it looks like the consoles of tomorrow might get some serious tessellation support. This is not so surprising knowing that the console refresh comes in 2012, at least according to our well informed industry sources.

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toaster2545d ago (Edited 2545d ago )

LOL! Cool story. 2012? PC will be on to the next one. Yet again console will get hand-me-downs and be a few generations behind the curve.

@ Below

What about it? PC can do that too, but has no need to because it can do proper AA techniques. MLAA has been shown to blur textures, I don't know about you but I don't like my games looking like mud. 8xMSAA is just as resource intensive as MLAA but provides a far better image quality without blurry textures.

http://www.hardocp.com/imag...

http://www.hardocp.com/imag...

ct032545d ago

MLAA is a sub-standard filtering technique.
The only reason why it exists is because it's inexpensive to calculate.

darthv722544d ago

i read that the 360 supports this already. Can the ps3 do this using the cell if the rsx doesnt support it?

Letros2544d ago

lol MLAA, I tried that out on my 5850, went right back to AD MSAA.

PSFan1002544d ago

@toaster
Yeah, of course PC is/will be better, it's variable and can be upgraded (how do we know consoles won't get that feature in the future?).
Tessellation is far superior to bump/parallax mapping. I do expect future consoles to be able to handle ray casting, tessellation, 1080p, stereoscopic with a high lod; Otherwise i'd be disappointed.
There's no point in arguing. It should be PC/PS3 that way you get ALL the good games (ps3 exclusives), with high quality multi-plat(PC).

shazui1232544d ago

@ EVERYONE
PSFAN knows what he's talking about. Agree x1000 lol, bubs up for the truth. PC + PS3 is how to do it. Doing one or the other will result in a worse gaming experience :)

gcolley2544d ago

it is all about the games. i don't buy an ipod for the electronics, i buy it for listening to music. same goes here. PC is superior in hardware but who cares. we got the games. just accept it, PC is the inferior gaming experience unless you like WOW

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FAGOL2545d ago

The thing is a really good gaming PC cost more than twice as much as consoles. So it really does'nt matter. Alot of people can't invest in a good gaming PC. I even wait for console prices to go down.

frankymv2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

PC gaming is dying. Very few people game on rigs anymore. Tick Tock....

ALFAxD_CENTAURO2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

No.

The Community of PC Gaming, is bigger than PS3 and Xbox 360 combined.

frankymv2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

Yes, but for RPG games like World of Warcraft and Starcraft. The PC is becoming a specialized platform for RPG.

toaster2544d ago

lol Funny that console gamers resort to the cliche "PC gaming is dying" line. How long have people been saying that.. 20 odd years now? lol.

It's also funny PC gamers can back up their claims with facts: benchmarks and actual data, while console gamers are still fighting over whatever PR bullshit they're being fed.

Thecraft19892544d ago

Then why do amd sell 21.5million dx11 cards from october to now ?

Thats not including nivida dx11 sales

Also starcraft 2 launch being as big as it was.

PC gaming is bigger than console so its surely not dead.

INehalemEXI2544d ago

Why is there a PC vs Console war going on?

Everyone knows PC holds the ultimate performance as always...

shazui1232544d ago

@ demonstalker
PC will always beat out 360 and ps3 performance wise. Obviously there are certain exclusives that may make this hard to believe (GT5 is the best looking racing game on any platform, even pc. Uncharted 2, KZ2/3, TLG, Heavy Rain are all better looking than any multiplat game maxed on PC) However gaming is more about GAMES than performance, and the PS3 at least has some amazing games that cant be played anywhere else. Most of the GOTYs and best rated games of this gen are PS3 exclusives and you can't play these if you're only a PC gamer. Personally I game on my Asus G73JH, desktop and my ps3. Personally I prefer the PS3 due to these exclusive games - but I always use my PC for multiplats - however IMHO and reviewers and gaming award judges opinions exclusive games > multiplats. So thats my take on it all anyway

STONEY42544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

"Yes, but for RPG games like World of Warcraft and Starcraft."

Starcraft... isn't an RPG. Proof you don't even know anything about PC gaming. Heck, World at Warcraft isn't even technically an RPG, it's an MMORPG. Huge difference honestly.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO2544d ago

Warcraft and Starcraft are not RPG games.

nickjkl2544d ago

the craft

you then realize graphics cards aren't only for gaming

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Persistantthug2544d ago

Maybe the developers can get MLAA to run as good as it does on God Of War 3...one day.

http://images.eurogamer.net...

shazui1232544d ago

You're right. The MLAA implemented by sony santa monica on god of war 3 is completely different to, and significantly better than, the MLAA offered by ATI on their cards on certain games (GTA4, ME2 etc.) atm. Hopefully they can improve this in the future as its a great, non resource taxing aa solution for the ps3 and could be for the pc too :)

MNicholas2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

Neither gives perfect coverage of all on-screen objects (afterall, they're both cheap substitutes for SSAA) but MLAA provides, at least on the Cell (and possibly future PC GPUs), far higher overall quality at a much lower cost.

The best looking game in this generation of consoles, God of War 3, uses MLAA.

The MLAA demonstrated on PC GPUs is of much lower quality because GPUs are not capable of running the more sophisticated algorithms that are easily handled by the Cell processor.

Star Wars Force Unleashed 2 uses something like MLAA and were able to obtain greater than double the performance using just 5 SPUs on the Cell Processor than using all 48 shader units on the the 360s GPU.

STONEY42544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

"The MLAA demonstrated on PC GPUs is of much lower quality because GPUs are not capable of running the more sophisticated algorithms that are easily handled by the Cell processor."

lolwut? You do realize PCs have insane processors such as the i7? People act like the Cell is the most sophisticated processor ever made in the universe.

And yeah, MLAA on PC is GPU bound. But it's a post-processing effect, nothing more, either way. You won't be getting the results of SSAA or even 8XMSAA anytime soon.

pollocks2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

stoney 4 " You won't be getting the results of... 8XMSAA anytime soon." Wrong

http://www.hardocp.com/arti...

" When looking at MLAA quality compared to MSAA quality we actually find that MLAA quality looks as good as, or even better than 8X MSAA! "
- and that MLAA is a worse form than that employed in GOW3 or KZ3. More links to disprove you? I think so

http://marisonreadings.blog...

"looking at our demo video, we think it looks quite comparable to 8x MSAA"

At below: I'm not gonna go ahead and say "fail" or anything, but you do know you're posting screens of the inferior PC ATI MLAA? I'm talking about the PS3's GOW3 MLAA which is equivalent to ~ or above 8xMSAA. You can CLEARLY understand that, right?

STONEY42544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

How about, try posting pictures that are large enough to actually show the differences clearly.

http://h-4.abload.de/img/va...

http://h-4.abload.de/img/va...

4XMSAA looks better than MLAA. You can CLEARLY see the difference here. Specifically, look at the power lines and wires, and how 4XMSAA is nice and smooth, while MLAA has incomplete and choppy wires. MLAA even blurs the ground textures.

Edit:

"- and that MLAA is a worse form than that employed in GOW3 or KZ3. More links to disprove you? I think so"
"At below: I'm not gonna go ahead and say "fail" or anything, but you do know you're posting screens of the inferior PC ATI MLAA? I'm talking about the PS3's GOW3 MLAA which is equivalent to ~ or above 8xMSAA. You can CLEARLY understand that, right?"

I NEVER even mentioned GOW3 or Killzone 3. I was replying to the fact he stated that the modern PCs can't handle the "sophisticated algorithms" that the Cell can do, which is untrue. I even mentioned how it's GPU bound on PC.

"but you do know you're posting screens of the inferior PC ATI MLAA?"

In fact, you're the one who started posting PC screenshots first, then tried to say it was better than even 4XMSAA. Irony?

pollocks2544d ago

@STONEY4 "I NEVER even mentioned GOW3 or Killzone 3. I was replying to the fact he stated that the modern PCs can't handle the "sophisticated algorithms" that the Cell can do, which is untrue"
MLAA is incorporated in GOW3 and Killzone 3 - you didn't have to mention it because I did and I did so because it's related. You also said "You won't be getting the results of... 8XMSAA anytime soon." in reference to consoles - which was wrong as GOW3 MLAA as I proved is = to ~ or above 8xMSAA.

"In fact, you're the one who started posting PC screenshots first, then tried to say it was better than even 4XMSAA. Irony?" No, I posted links to developers (who know much more about it than you do)saying that even the worse form of MLAA on PC is = to or better than 4xMSAA. Again, I'm not going to go all out and say fail but....

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Nihilism2544d ago

I think more to the point is that anyone is quoting fudzilla, they, along ith semiaccurate.com are the two most insane sites in existence, they make anything up for hits.

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gillri2545d ago (Edited 2545d ago )

should be great, I love the way consoles get all the juice out of its hardware

I mean look at the specs of a PC compared to a PS3 these days, and the PC can barely do anything better than a PS3 graphically, imagine what a whole generation better will look like?

although alot of this is down to the production values of the developers behind GOW3 and UC2, alot of PC devleopers simply cannot compete in this area as 'A' they dont have the same amount talent and 'B' there isnt as much money in PC development these days

Add the warm reviews of motion control to the mix and PC's just looks more and more tired, as does spending money on constantly upgrading your rig when less and less AAA titles are made to take advantage to it,

of course there will always be hardware whores, who will swear by the PC and teh KB/M combo (outside of better accuracy does it even have a leg to stand on anymore?) while it loses the big bidget titles year on year, but you cant change these people minds. fanboy will fanboys and I know PC fanoys to be the most stubborn of them all.

I mean the PS3 is gonna be shooter king for 2011, with Killzone 3, Resistance 3 and probably Uncharted 3 (not to metion the multi-plats), who would have thunk that 5 years ago

Convas2545d ago

You're joking right? Where are the sarcasm marks?!?

Fishy Fingers2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

Here come the fanatical console kids. PS3 destroys PC blah blah Having to upgrade every 2 months blah blah

Nah...

never_waste_a_bullet2544d ago

i got a great pc and a ton of games but i still find myself going back to the ps3 for all of those exclusives...

pc doesn't offer littlebigplanet, gt5, and uncharted, but it does offer tf2, counterstrike, and crysis.. so it's a matter of preference really..

Fishy Fingers2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

Yeah I love my PS3, I have pretty much every platform going just for their exclusives.

But to suggest a current gen console can compete on raw power with current PC hardware is naive to say the least. But this is N4G after all.

Blaster_Master2544d ago

The ps3 cant destroy something that isn't even existent. The pc doesn't have any games compared to consoles, unless you count emulators, but then just goes to point out again that almost every game on pc is also on consoles. BTW, Wow is like 100 years old now, besides that, and Total War > Star Craft BTW, what the hell does the pc have that makes console gaming irrelevant? Superior hardware? I dont play hardware, I play games, games that you pc dudes dont play cause your too busy pirating and modding 10 year old games all day. Boom.

The real killer2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

Good point, i'm a big PC gamer and i also see games on PC that's just all about higher resolution like 1080p and grafichs/visual or lithing is still far behind.

The PC can so much more, but it's all about money and all those multiplats will on PC look little bit better on 360/PC platformen.

When we speak about PS3 exclusive, you damn right, it's a shame that most multplat developers ignore and bumping down the game becouse of the consoles.

Look at starcraft 2, it's also easy done on both platformen like PS3 and 360, you only need to worry is about the resolution ;)
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Clizz

I think you don't get the point, PC games is not it was use to be.
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"maybe the next consoles will do 1080p"

As far as i know, the PS3 is only platform use true FULL HD resolution.

"oh and after kinect and move fail we will have new consoles to laught at fall 2011"

If you talk like this, no one take you serious. Try to explain why instead of blabbing.

STONEY42544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

"I mean look at the specs of a PC compared to a PS3 these days, and the PC can barely do anything better than a PS3 graphically, imagine what a whole generation better will look like?"

1920x1200 at over 100fps on alot of these console ports, takes a LOT of processing power. The multiplatform devs never try to take advantage of the PC though. No game should ever be running at that FPS on a mid-range GPU.

Oh, and Crysis and Metro 2033. That's all I have to say about graphics.

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Fishy Fingers2544d ago

But the 360s GPU can already do it right? Or shouldnt I believe what I read in the comment sections :)

Cock4Gamers2544d ago

the 360's gpu really CAN do tessellation...just not nearly as well as any DX11 gpu :)

yamzilla2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

maybe the next consoles will do 1080p....

by that time 1600p will be the standard

for some of us it already is.....

black-ops on ps3 and 360 will be [email protected]
here's the perfect screen for console owners;

http://www.alvio.com/xABK_P...

oh and after kinect and move fail we will have new consoles to laught at fall 2011

Blaster_Master2544d ago

"for some of us it already is..... "

Hey you said it your self, you are most definitely a minority. Noone cares about your self righteousness or your hardware. Its all about being universal, and catering to everyone, not just the vocal minority. Now go back to playing your 10 year old games in 1600p. LOL.