Eurogamer- "On the day of Kinect's US launch, Microsoft has confirmed that games that combine motion control with traditional controller input are in the works."
OMG, Xbox 360 MOVE.
Don't you mean Wiimote? This can be cool in racing games, for example. Steerusing the controller, looking using Kinect.
Remember that bit in MW2 where you were watching the guys from your car andone open fired so you had to press a button to duck. I bet they implement that with Kinect, you'll actually need to shift a little on your sofa and 'duck' yourself. Or move out of cover like in Timesplitters in the arcade, but actually do it mid shooter to peak round walls or over cover. I guess the concept is quite cool if it's done correctly! I'm one of those idiots who intuitively moves my head too see if I can see something by getting a slightly different angle on my TV... Lol, obviously I know it makes no difference and that I can't see anything extra by doing it, but it's just intuitive. If Kinect could allow you to move like that to slightly peek around a corner, it could be cool. And I imagine it'd be fairly easy to implement.
one word LIMITATIONS Kinect is too limited and it is what the internet has been saying all along. Time for MS to back pedal, make games that use kinect as a $150 add on that essentially adds a level of motion to a controller based game similar to what sixaxis does or Move.
wasn't this obvious? all the adulation and attention and interest is because of novelty. great idea, badly executed. OF COURSE you'll need the controlled, all that bad mouthing about how controllers are a thing of the past, etc, is unrealistic. what bothers me is, ok, so Kinect ADDS to the experience...but is an ADD-ON worth 150 dollars?! =|
if it delivers on the no controller type of games and they makes games that can use both. How is that back peddling? I call it options. Like there are wii games that you cant play using the wiimote as a regular controller. Some you use w/chuck some w/o. There are surely going to be move games that you cant play with a ds3 just as there are some move games that can be played with a ds3. Alternate control schemes is nothing new. MS just has to deliver on the idea of "You are the controller" and so far they have. I would find it sort of interesting how they would make controller/kinect games. Would they resort to using some type of spherical attachment to the existing pad (plugs in where the charge/play goes). That way the kinect could track in 1.1 like move does. Keep in mind, without that sphere on move (or move period) the pseye does not do 1.1. It is that glowing ball on top that the camera focuses on instead of the person holding it.
Wiimote uses a different technology for motion tracking by IR. Move uses camera to determine the z space. So it's like Move not Wiimote. You mean exactly like GT5 with the PSEye? So what exactly about Kinect that is revolutionary? How did it go from players being to the controller to something like the PS Move?
***looking using Kinect*** You know, people say this for both PS3Eye and Kinect. Can someone explain to me how turning your head so that you're not looking at the flat screen in front of you so that your in-game view changes as well is beneficial? You're reducing your view of your TV screen in order to look somewhere that you now can't see as well as if you just used an analog controller to change the camera angle. I just don't get how that would work considering looking at your TV screen head on is always the best way to see what's on it, not with your head to one side of the other.
Nah mate what you do is you take the current xbox 360 remote. Whack a colourful orb on the end of it and your set. Sounds strange I know but it works! God knows where they got the idea from tho...
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theyve been working on this crap for over 2 years and just now there working on that... i call bull crap. you cant even play the joyride game without sitting down. MS fails
if this new hybrid controller utilize Kinect, it's closer to MOVE than anything even Wiimote. but I see, M$ is starting to eat their words the 1st week Kinect is released!
Quote: "This can be cool in racing games, for example. Steerusing the controller, looking using Kinect" Just like in GT5 than? Only difference is that the PS Eye camera is around $100 cheaper and would do the same job in this situation... Heck even my webcam on my laptop can track my face in 3D space.
SO when did GT5 come out? /sarcasm Anyway, this should be cool if that made the hybrid games where you had both hands on the normal 360 controller and not some sub-controller and allowed you to use voice command and such to command troops or interact in in role playing games.
You are sometimes the controller
or.. you are the controller with another controller
"You are the controller.....except when you want to play a real game, then the controller is the controller"
I hate to say "i told you so" but... ..I told you so. And it only took MS, like 1 day to change the Kinect concept. It's the only way they can properly compete with the Wii and Move. :)
i think this defeats the purpose of their mantra that YOU are the controller. makes no sense for me to even bother with this camera since nothing interests me.
People who used to bash the 6-axis features in games better take a good look at themselves before they start saying how "revolutionary and amazing" Kinect + controller games are.
I see this as both a good and a bad thing. Good, Microsoft is thinking of using this technology as far as they can to enhance the gaming experience. If people want to mix motion with controller actions, they now can. Bad, it's unlikely we'll see much diversity in gaming methods with just Kinect. It's unlikely we'll see hardcore games specific to Kinect, so it will likely be primarily for those who want to play Kinect games or use the hands-free dashboard navigation, not for hardcore gamers as a general rule.
doesn't this go against everything they've said and are currently standing for with kinect?.. aw microsoft, when will you learn :)
All in all, microsoft has just found a way to mindf¥ch people out of $150 dollars! Just think about it. And to make matters worse sony has for the most part made this an included option in it's control setup, but you have these ignoramises infecting the blogs with their hate, talking about how the move is less than, because it doesn't supposedly have games built from the ground up utilising motion controls. Yet here we have microsoft themselves talking about adding alternate controls! Can we say gullible?
I kept on bringing up MS just doing a kinect/controller combo and they just ignored me and acted like it wasn't even a possibility. What more can you expect from the dumbasses on this site though?
To whom would you be referring to? 360 users have known about this since it was announced so I would assume you are meaning PS3. In any case, I dont see why it would be hard to accept this concept. Some are up in arms and claiming MS is back peddling when they arent. If they deliver games where you are the controller then they are spot on their statement. This is just another option.
i remember you talking about this for a hot minute(slang for meaning for a while if anybody didn't know).
"they just ignored me and acted like it wasn't even a possibility." Really? well, I'm glad I'm on your side. http://n4g.com/news/450226/... "Parapraxis + 309d ago I expect any developer using Natal for a game like Half-life (FPS) or Gears (TPS) to use Natal in conjunction with the xbox360 controller, giving the user much better reaction time when firing/moving about as well as becoming immersed in the game via gestural movements. "
Didn't take them long to back pedal did it? So much for "You are the controller" and "Controllers are too restrictive".
guess kinect isnt allowed to do both huh?
When they've been touting "you are the controller" and attacking Wii and Move for nearly two years, they sort of lose points.
^^It removes the purpose of Kinect. How much body can you do when your hands are both on a controller? You don't need a $150 web cam for what small movements remain when a $15 one would do. r.
Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Microsoft said many times that controllers are too restrictive and that the other guys are living in the past. They also said, advertised, and promoted the "You Are the Controller" mantra. So much for innovation. Maybe they'll "improve" the controller in the same way they "improved" the PSEye (Higher price tag, more promises).
Will probably depend on weather or not by hybrid controller they mean using a regular one, or a new one that will have to be bought and can only be used with hybrid games. Edit: If you think about it, Move is the hybrid controller for the PSeye, which itself is a poorly supported motion controller.
i do remember them saying this very thing. I would think that would be the "WHOLE" reason for kinect. To get away from the controller. You know Buttons and all. If not then why get a kinect when you can "GASP!!!" Stick with the 360 controller. You know what go back and try again.
how is it considered back peddling? There are going to be 3 types of games. controller, kinect, controller & kinect. Not that much different than sony. Move games, controller games and ps eye games. Even the wii has wiimote, wiimote/chuck, and regular controller games.
"Microsoft said many times that controllers are too restrictive" I would love to see a quote of this anywhere. From what I've seen MS has recognized that core gamers want and need a controller for certain types of experiences. I totally support hybrid games and welcome it. It's what I am most excited to see with Kinect TBH.
***Hmmm, I don't think MS did much attacking Wii and Move at all.*** Agreed. That's one thing that's bothered me with Sony (though the KB commercial was funny). They've focused a lot on going after Kinect and not enough time developing quality software at release that supports their motion gaming concept. ***How is this a bad thing?*** For many, it's a sign that as a hardcore gamer they won't need a Kinect at all. And Microsoft has said that 'every household will have a Kinect in it' based on the concept of supporting the hardcore crowd as well. They've even said they wouldn't leave it behind. But, if it's just an alternative to what hardcore gamers do now, is it really a needed technology for them or just an alternative to change things slightly if you have the $150 to spend?
I know your current account is only ten days old, Killed4Less, but I have a sneaky suspicion that you've been here a lot longer. You've read and heard all that Kudo "The Douche in Sunglasses" had to say about Kinect. Play ignorant if you choose to. Go buy your Kinect for whatever price it's sold at, and then go buy whatever controller they release for it.
We will only see Kinect's true potential in a year's time. By then, hopefully the PS crowd will have some longer exclusive games to play so they won't need to spend so much time becoming 360 experts.
They said Kinect would have solutions for more core titles back at E3 of 2009. Stop trolling
But . . . Kinect. . .you don't need a controller? Oh. . .for real games you do? . . .oh I see. :D
Doesn't matter...MS announced at E3 that there was an 18 month wait for any 'core' kinect games
Go to ESPN.COM RIGHT NOW to see how they are advertising Kinect. "You Are the Controller" all over the place. This is Microsoft responding to the tepid Kinect reviews, is all. 12
Don't put a slogan on a product then contradict that later. It makes you a big hypocrite. That's like Blu-Ray movies touting HD-DISK ERA and then some movies offers none. -End statement
A majority of the games you are the controller and even if you are holding a controller you are still the other half of that controller. The fact you would want to limit things just so you stick with a slogan is absolutely stupid. Congrats!
I have heard some lame ass justifications for bullshit in my time but i think that last comment of yours takes the crown.
Half-of-that-controller... HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA H AHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH! *rolls laughing on the floor.. HALF-A-CONTROLLER.. hahhahhaa Look at me look at me... **looks at crotch.. T That's my 3rd analog stick... HAHAHAHAA....... -End statement
these guys called it http://arstechnica.com/gami... So much for you are the controller.
This was confirmed 3 days after their e3 press conference. There will be controller only games, Kinect only games and Hybrid games (Kinect + controller). "Don Mattrick, senior VP of Microsoft’s interactive entertainment business, says that the company has no intention of ditching traditional controller-based games following the unveiling of its motion sensing Project Natal. “I think we’ve got the best thumb-based controller ever created,” Mattrick told Edge. “We’re not going to take anything away." "“Think, you could be playing a game with a controller and have your character react when you instinctively duck out of the way of an explosion, or the ability to throw a grenade with a gesture. I don’t think of Natal as taking anything away, I see it as adding more". http://www.next-gen.biz/new... Major Nelson even said this again on the 31st of December 09 ” ……I love Xbox 360 controller, It’s one of the finest controllers that ever made for a console. Now when we look at something like FPS, I think you and I can both agree that if we were playing Call of Duty or any type of FPS, you don’t really want to run around to the back of your couch for cover. That isn’t fun. You may haven’t a couch to do it, or you may haven’t room to do it. With Natal, we want to bring new gaming experiences to the living room. So, we already got the first person Shooters in the way to play those pretty well. Is Natal going to add something to that? Possibly. But, I don’t, we get a situation where the Natal will replace the entire thing.” http://www.vgarabia.com/200... I don't know how many times they have to say it before it gets through the thick skulls of some people. And as for the "you are the controller" they are 100% correct because as of today, when you play a Kinect game, you are indeed the controller. And when Hybrid games appear in the future, you will still be part of the controller because gestures will still be required.
You lose. XD
so...then kinect will kind of be like move right?
The whole point of Kinetic is to have controller less gaming. Thats what MS have been saying for ages.
Microsoft said that Kinect would not replace the controller it would only add to the experience, which it does. There was always plans for Hybrid games since the introduction of Kinect at E3.
LOL people are showing proof that can't be denied yet PS3 fanboys are still in denial.
So now we have to look forward to a physical controller only usable with Kinect to be defended. Sweet...
HAY GUYZ! (gigaware) IZ DIS PROOF 2?! I don't know if we should trust them because they're notorious PS3 fanboys. But they say the Kinect makes you the controller. They don't say anything about using a controller in conjunction. But since they're OBVIOUS PS3 fanboys maybe we should ignore them. http://www.microsoft.com/pr...
What the hell are you talking about? The only physical controller that would be in use is the Xbox 360 controller........
whats the point of sony selling the move controller if all the games currently being used for it are games that was original for controllers. they are not built from the ground up with move in mind. there just patched to support it. so what was the point in it
"We're going to come out and say it: Microsoft is going to release a Move-style controller for the Kinect within a year or so" --- Ars Technica
Nice Green.. trolls owned.. Why so many Sony people in here?? hahah don't even need to answer we already know it. Mentals man.. borderline nuthouse types. So much whining and fail this gen from them.
You complain about no buttons now you complain because there will be hardcore Kinect & Controller games. There as always going to be both, but at first Microsof is aiming for th casual crowd. Its just good business sense. Whatever they do you are sure to find fault. Insecure yes?
No. The point here all along is that it does nothing NEW! At all! MS has been going on and on about "You are the controller" and controller free gaming. Sony has been saying, you need a controller for good gaming experience. PSEye - $40 Kinect - $150 If dev wanted to, they can combine DS3 with the PSEye like how GT5 will. So what is the point of Kinect, people are paying $150 to do what many can or has been doing. Where is this revolutionary gameplay that MS and their fanboy has been tooting about? Because it's practically non-existent. Trolls will always be trolls but don't dismiss legitimate criticism as trolling. So far, I have yet to receive answers about my concern instead I get a bunch of answers with huge classical logical fallacies. The other problem is that how could 360 gamers keep letting MS get away with that because it's good business sense? By letting them continue to rip off the consumers, other business keeps at it. Especially with the whole DLC thing.
Talk about old news, we knew this since Kinect was announced. Even that Harry Potter game already does it.
camera + pad cool oh wait fail
Very old news...
I saw your youtube videos. You should have kept your hat on. Oh and you are just as I pictured you.
whats his youtube channel?
kinda defeats what the whole point of what Kinect was supposed to be. But at least you will get some core games hopefully
Any guesses on the price?I'd say $59.99 plus the cost of the charger.