M2G Writes: Sometimes the classics go unseen, with people only picking them up when they realise what they have missed (look at ICO for example), we hope people realise the error of their ways soon, because Enslaved deserves to be played
if DmC fails to bring in the sales as well (though name alone should get it to at least adequate DMC-esque levels)then Ninja Theory could have a problem.
Not nessicerly. Majority of DMC fans are pissed at what NT have done to dmc.
Really? What have they done to piss the fans off?
They took 80's hair metal cliche' and turned him 2010 emo cliche'?
@ Quagmire - I hope this answers your question:
Unless the whole thing is a chain yank by Capcom. Though if they are doing crap like that I have to start calling them Crapcom.
well then Ninja Theory should just file bankruptcy and close doors since im sure that new DMC is not going to do well too after 2 not-selling-well games and the 3rd is coming, i dont know if they can hold on much longer
I don't know how Ninja Theory keeps getting contracts for AAA games when all they do bombs, despite the high quality=/
Heavenly Sword sold 1.5 million(ps3 exclusive), and Enslaved sold 150k (multiplatform).What am i missing here?
Heavenly Sword was on every television and movie screen pretty much in the world. And with the yet again slim selection of the PS3 launch window it sold do too great adverstising and lack of anything to play on the system. Namco/Bandai did little to no advertising for Enslaved. Mixed with lackluster pre-launch reviews people were just not interested in Enslaved.
wow. thats REALLY low numbers for enslaved! Looks like multiplat doesnt automatically give more sales. One thing exclusives get you is better hype. Infamous would have been overlooked by me if it wasnt exclusive. Same with resistance, modnation and motorstorm.
That theoretically burning the PS3 fanbase they established through potentially bad interviews before releasing a game on the infamous Unreal engine, which made their game look inferior to a game they put out three years ago, and then expect the same sales numbers is a might, how shall I say, unwise for them to do?
I bought the game on launch and am about 6 hours in. the game is very different. It has a mix of platforming and combat (about 70/30). The story is good the platforming is very good but the combat is lame as hell. I don't know what happened cause Heavenly Sword combat was much more fluid and better overall. The art design is nice but the graphics leave alot to be desired. Any site who says the graphics real good are blind. There is screen tear galore, serious texture streaming issues, and slow down during intense scenes. Also the gameplay gets repetitive after a few hours, animations during some cutscenes are baked and used way to much (such as when monkey lifts a piece of junk to let trip through so they can go to the next level). It happens over and over. After the initial wow of the game it wears off and the only thing carrying it is the story, which is good. I would say the game is at best between 7.5-80. If ever there was an example of how U3 is dated look no further. This game isn't as good looking or running that Heavenly Sword, which is like at leas 3 years old now. Oh it's also an inferior game to Heavenly Sword.
missing a ps3 with no real games and a launch window.
...bitching about Heavenly Sword and developing on the ps3. Because if sales are any indication they cannot develop for 360 either. Anyway I don't feel bad for them because all they spent more time complaining about old games and technical difficulties more than they did they're new IP. Likewise I agree with hose on the three who said the game wasn't advertised, being multiplat took a lot of the steam away from the game, and when HS released on ps3 a smaller variety of games helped pushed sales of that game. Makes me wonder what they'll bitch about before changing Dante back. I don't believe NT can afford another hit like this inthere next game.
is big fat fail. Whoever wrote this needs to be shot.
If you didn't understand the comparison, then no, that person doesn't need to be shot, but I know who does...
If you didn't understand the comparison then, no, that person doesn't need to be shot, but I know who does...
he understood it perfectly and the right way . Lumping ico and other underrated gem is an insult to those games . Enslaved is a decent , good even game , but is in no way something people will remember in the coming years , like Ico , beyond good and evil etc
ico=masterpiece. a must play enslaved=good game. can be skipped for lord of shadow
Agree with Active Relaod. And just to spell it out... The author is not saying that Enslaved and ICO are equal games. The author is saying that some games slip under the radar for some reason. Another game I'd add to the list is Psychonaughts - not a classic by any means, but a criminally overlooked game. ICO was totally overlooked at launch, and sold in low numbers. I would wager that a huge number of people on N4G who shout that ICO is such a classic probably never played it until the re-issue; or have just jumped on the bandwagon.
N4g didnt brand ico as a classic ... pretty much everyone (who should have bought and play it) did back then , and now keeps doing it . It's just the value of cult classics , which at least get some recognition , even if too late . Again , my opinion is that while good , Enslaved wont be regarded as a timeless classic in the future like those games . It will be drown in memories amidst a sea of decent to good titles Games like Ico , deus ex and a few others , not only pushed gaming as an artform , but also added so much in the gameplay experience and spectrum
No one gives a damn about your opinion except maybe the circle jerking recruits in your circle, lol.
Its a one of a kind. Enslave is cut from the same mould as every other game. To compare both games sales situation is utter and completely stupid. This is what i take offence with. ICO is a cult classic, once a generation classic but its sales expectations were always low right from the beginning. Why?. Because Sony never expected it to register with the mass Shoot,kill,die, rinse and repeat mass gamers. Sony and Ueda right from the beginning was aiming for something completely different with ICO similar to HR and DS to some extent this gen. All of us that followed ICO right from the beginning knew this right from the start. Now by saying that Enslave is somehow in the same category as ICO is insinuating that ICO was a commercial flop like Enslave is which is fu*king insulting. If you are going to use comparisons then you should at least know what the hell you are talking about.
Apparently you do. A-hole!
Jeez, there's some people in this thread who seriously don't have a clue. No one is saying Enslaved is as good as ICO, or even that it may one day be considered a classic. Is ICO a game worth playing = Yes Did ICO launch to low sales = Yes Is Enslaved worth playing = Yes Did Enslaved release to low sales = Yes Same for Psychonaughts, Beyond Good and Evil and many other games We're not comparing the games - simply the factors of their release. But if we're talking about ICO's 'classic' status... ICO was not a cult classic on launch - it became a cult classic. It wasn't even considered a classic at launch by many reviews or gamers. And that had nothing to do with the run 'n gun type of gamers around at the time - as the PS2 had the most diverse number of genres available and the most diverse audience, so that doesn't fly at all. ICO is my #1 (or #2) fave game, even above Ocarina of time, Mario 64 and SotC - but I'm not getting all huffy because someone compared Enslaved slow sales but high fun factor to ICO's.
titan battles in lords of shadow are anything to go buy sotc is wack and ico looks wack too. nothing masterpiece worthy in either of those games. and i'll be saying this when last guardian comes out too.
I wholeheartedly agree. The only comparisons would be leading another character to safety for the duration of the game. ICO said more in silence than every perfectly motion captured/ voice acted scene of Enslaved.
I believe enslaved is as good as ico and far more underrated. Nobody cared about ico i bought it for 4 dollars off ebay. Everyone who played it and said it was pretty good nothing special until sotc came out and became the cult icon it is now. Half the people who talk about it never played it, i loved it but its not as good as sotc which i got at launch. Enslaved is a very good game. It will be considered overlooked and underapreciated like ico was, passed up by everybody.
It was just saying ICO failed to sell and is now seen as a classic, as will enslaved, which is an awesome game. Have you played Enslaved?
I love enslaved, much better than God-Of-Vania and Vanquick.
i'd say that's a triforce of awesomeness right there, my 3 favorite games this year
i love movies too , but they dont cost 60 bucks
lol. i cant believe this game is already in the bargain bin. i will wait a few more days, look for some coins in between the seats of my car and buy me something to eat. i will buy the game from the change i get from that meal.
your taste is abysmal
Enslaved does not need to be played. It needs to be watched. The combat and platforming design is terrible. There is no challenge on any difficulty and on top of that, the game is completely unfinished. No game that modulates between 5 and 30 FPS can be called finished. What's good about Enslaved is the drama and the relationship between Trip and Monkey. This was originally supposed to be a movie before it was a game, and it should have been, because the gameplay is really shoe-horned in.
You've finished on hard (hard is for hardcore) and have all the trophies then?
The problem with Enslaved is that though it's a great EXPERIENCE, it doesn't attain the same level of success with it's GAMEPLAY.
It's a very good rental, but paying full price might be a bit much given how little replay value this has. I hope it becomes a cult classic at the least, it doesn't deserve to just fade into obscurity.
i dont think people are going to praise this game ten years from now. cult classic? who knows
I would have bought it if they never revealed the DmC trailer. I wanted DMC5... instead i got ..That.
I think iam on the same boat as you but i had a second reason, not to buy Enslaved... The second reason was, that they bashed Heavenly Sword They talked to much about sales, but not the game itself, Heavenly Sword sold more than 1,5 Mio. units, but it was not enough for them. They were not intrested about the game they were intrested about the money. The money was the prime Focus not the Fans/Game. What can you expect from e dev, that have ONLY focus at Money. I RESPECT Team Ico, i will buy every game they release without waiting for reviews, cause they dont give up on there fans Ico doesnt sold over 1 Mio. but Team Ico worked on SotC. this one sold around 1.5 mio units and now i wait for The last Guardian. But team ico heard us Fans and we get the ICO COLL.THIS IS FANSERVICE...and now look at Ninja Theory and their dante Fiasco...THIS IS A DISSERVICE to all DMC fans. btw.:Sorry for my bad English
same here i boykott NT Thast for messing with Devil man cry!
All of the complaints about this game is EXACTLY the same experiences you get with Heavy Rain and MGS4, so why do they get royally praised where this gets pissed on? I am playing through the game right now and I find it crazy how this hasnt sold well when the likes of Kane and Lynch, Mirrors Edge sold 1 million plus - its a crazy world we live in
Hey Mirrors Edge was a great game, should have sold way more.
You're on the wrong web site to be asking such a thoughtful question, lol. God bless you though...and JDoki also, lol.
again the same comparisons with massive flaws . heavy rain played like other adventure games of its kind , wich indeed arent the richer game in gameplay ... however was its gameplay ridden of flaws and criticized for unpresice and laggy controls among other things ? not really . Yes MGS4 is a short cinematic experience . But was its gameplay deemed , shallow , clunky , laggy and devoid of challenge ? Nope . On their own , or compared to any game of the same genre , no particular issue arise . Enslaved in turn , at least according to some of us , doesnt play as well as any of its concurrent hack and slash or platform games .
MGS4 and Heavy Rain have great gameplay which is not case for Enslaved.
MGS4 was great, but comon!!! Heavy Rain had terrible gameplay, its all quick time events. Sure graphics are pretty, but its a frikin movie with quick time events! That to me and most others is not great gameplay. Enslaved is miles better than Heavy Rain, sorry! If i wanna watch a movie, i will pop in a dvd or bluray!
MGS4 is a proven franchise. And heavy rain was a whole new game experience.
Metal Gear Solid 4 also offers much more than Enslaved does. It has excellent replay value and an online multiplayer mode, which some may or may not have taken advantage of. Heavy Rain is unique due to how it is played. It reminds me of the old Quest games (Police Quest, Space Quest, etc.) for PC with updated controls and more branches in terms of story. Enslaved is just another action game that tells a story most of us have heard already in one form or another.
Man, get your head checked. Mirrors edge has large fanbase of people who still play it. Me included. it deserved to be sold way more what it was. The only screwup with that game was runner vision (red) as it done nothing but hidden zillion of other faster opportunities to get somewhere. Anyone who did speed runs got hooked on that game. Nothing like running 26km/h, at least i can't remember one single game with this sense of speed. But following the red was boring and you couldn't get anywhere in speed run.
If Heavenly Swords sales were disappointing according to NT what do they call this ? And multiplatform as well... DMC will fail just as hard.
Some enslaved lovers are really delusionnal. yesterday some guys was comparing it to BGE , shenmue, ookami and deus ex , today ..another guy is comparing to ICO. can we stop with the silly comparaison , please ? those games above reached cult classic for a reason, something that would probably never happen to enslaved ( just like any previous NT games is not a classic ). NOw NT , try to put all your money into marketing to try to conivince the "average people" to buy your game instead of castelvania , to not wait for AC: brotherhood, or call of duty black ops , or need for speed hot pursuit , or the upcoming gran turismo. YEP To the average consummer , enslaved doesn't exist .. they are all waiting for the MAIN GUYS to come and that's ... aside for the average game produced , the main reason ENSLAVED flopped.
Enslaved was great, stick with your black ops then. Alot of us loved that game and dont need you to tell us otherwise. Great game!!!
another enslaved delusional guy .. look at what i wrote .. i was talking about the average people .. you're answering to me when I DON'T CARE about enslaved for many différents reasons. Ps: i don't care about black ops.if i have to choose a game to play i'll take castelvania any day of the week. wanna know why enslaved is not as good as your delusionnal people think ? first graphics are good , there are not top notch but they are good .( this is the only good thing i have to say about this game ) Second, scripted platforming .. you climb , climb and climb , no danger , no risk of failing, sure there are some moments ( chapter 1, or last part of chapter 4 for example were you have to climb fast ) but it doesn't matter ... it's all scripted . Second combat is worthless ..same difficulty form start to finish ... the ennemies are nothing special ..seriously if you die , then you really forgot to Pause and went to the bathroom ( and then again it might not be enough ).. This odissey to the west IS full of characters!! ( who am i kiddying ? ) nothing really evolve between your characters because ..well the setting is set and there are no twists ( except at the end but hey it's the end ) thankfully you meet someone else during this journey because with all this money on the dialogs i might have felt like a waste( of time ). Add to the mix : puzzles so easy i felt insulted and shallow combat.. and i was bored because the slow response time ( present in HS )it is still here making me feel like i was playing with 500ms of lag ..thank you NT . Now then with my opinion aside , this game doesn't have any sight of replay value ( even vanquish had some challenges maps/areas to polish your skills ) i might be a GREAT GAME to you ..it's not to me .. the demo was forgettable and it didnot help to make this game rise up in a sea of titles getting ready for christmas .. forgettable art style, forgettable music forgettable gameplay nice story ( useless flashbacks for monkey ) forgettable DEMO and here is the result ...enslaved flopped. Don't waste your time arguing against my opinion in the first part. Try the last part with the facts ...you might have a chance of making a decent verbal comeback.
I've had enough of these **Enslaved's sales/soap opera** articles, move on people =o
It has platforming, co-op (with a computer character), upgrades aaaaaand a GREAT UNUSUAL STORY AND GREAT EXPRIERENCE.. that's because I LOVED IT!! :) So where's the problem that people didn't like it? and it has a normal lenght too :)
It wasn't a good game. Hell, even NieR was more of a memorable experience AND a better game, if you wanna do a comparison.
What a crazy world we live in. The world where consumers buy hardware that does not work properly, is prone to breaking and yet they buy it again and again. Yeah crazy world. But then again, most people think terrorists did 9/11 or that america went to the moon. What a crazy messed up world indeed.
YOU TALK SH!T ABOUT MY SYSTEM AND YOU WANT ME TO BUY YOUR GAME? NO THANKS HAVE FUN BEING BOUGHT OUT.
What!, is your system your girlfriend or something? Did you cry when someone criticized it? Its a games machine, deal with it. I own both a 360 and a PS3 (in fact I gladly paid an importer an exorbitant ammount of money to get my PS3 on Jap launch) and I judge the fun I get from gaming on the experience I have with the game. Not some blind fan loyality for an inanimate box of electronics that miraculously possesses feelings that must be protected. Whilst your busy getting emotional others such as myself will just play games. Enslaved is decent and you will miss out. Going off of Heavenly Sword Ninja Theory has alot of talent that will hopefully continue to work for along time to come.
Heavenly Sword was fantastic. But it was actually over-hyped. 1.5 million in sales over its life was low given its high production budget. I believe HS suffered from 1) being a cutting edge, crowned as being the crown jewel of PS3 power title at the time with a female lead. Actually, 2 female leads. It was a bit early for that. Today it wouldn't be a problem. Secondly, and most importantly, PS3 fanboys pi$$ed on it. Remember, it's a PS3 exclusive. Sony overhyped the PS3s capabilities. NT promised every strand of hair would be an independent particle based entity, flowing throughout the game like natural hair, etc. Same for her dress. The the number of enemies on screen, etc. This is why it was hyped. At that time the PS3 was the most powerful machine on earth that the Xbox 360 could not come close to competing with. Well, HS was released, with framerate issues so the PS3 Fanboy community pi%%ed on it and NT. Its framerate issues were no better or worse than any other game and it is still the best overall game on either platform IMO. I only wish this was on XBox. I no longer have UC2 envy, as I actually prefer enslaved. But there is no HS equivalent, LoS doesn't come close. Those two things still haunt NT. Because it did not live up to the incredible hype, buy Sony and fanboys, the notion that PS3 was all powerful was destroyed. it became the other nextgen console and now we have this neverending battle that will end in a stalemate always. See you next gen, and here's hoping DMC fails so MS can buy NT for cheap. I'd love to see these guys develop exclusively for Xbox. Their games are great. (I am disappointed the first DLC will feature Pigsy, I'll buy it, but I actually wanted more backstory or a continuation, not more Pigsy lookin for a love robot, should be interesting)
wow just 150k WW,lol and to think they were bitching about the low sales they had with Heavenly Sword on PS3,now i think they should think again when they complain about that cause if you think better that game sold now really great considering it was only on 1 console that just came out Still the game is good,i played it and love it,but you finish it in 6-7 hours and then there is nothing else to do,it has no replay value,at least they should have made unlockable alternative costumes when you finish the game instead of giving them as a DLC to different shops,or they could've made some trial arenas,
I think it is a combination of things that make Enslaved a flop in sales. Every factor has contributed towards its fail. 1) NT trashing ps3 owners 2) NT trash talking due to not selling more than 1.5mil copies. 3) NT trashing PS3 as a console to develop for 4) NT making silly statements how their game will be better than their competitions. 5) NT claiming they have better development techniques than ND when ND is one of the best devs around and nailed motion cap as well as voice acting. 6) NT screwing up Enslaved's gameplay with button mashing gameplay and breastfed platforming sections. 7) NT disfiguring Dante and thereby creating a horde of angry customers. 8) NT claiming they know more about DMC and not listening to fans of DMC who have been following the series since the ps2 days. 9) NT not giving any replay value for a fully priced game. 10) launching a new, short average game at the sametime as big hitters - COD, C:LOS, Vanquish, Kinect launch, GTS 11) NT not accepting their faults but blaming their fans and anyone else around them. Bottomline is, no one likes arrogance. The only person who gets away with such arrogant behaviour is Bobby Kotick and thats only because he is the devil. NT need to understand that they are not the only dev and there are a lot more talented devs out there across all platforms who will do a better job without the attitude. You shit on your fans and they will shit right back at you and this is what is happening right now. people need to stop acting so surprised and wondering why the game flopped. the reasons are written in big bold letters right before us.
I agree with most of what you say regarding DMC and the trash talking. But that's why we need more gamers. One group of loyal fanatics shoulnd't have that much impact. That's why FPS still dominate. Kinect is good for that reason, Wii is good, PSN and XBLA are good for that reason. Oh and DMC, let's just be honest, they made him homo. That's the problem. Other than the feminine characteristics, it's actually more appealing to me. I could never get into the Japanimation look of the existing series. But the homo aspect is disturbing and there's no reason to hide from it. It is what it is and it doesn't look like they're going to change it.
GOOD POST well said bubble i wont buy DMC.. i reaaally hope the sales will be shit!
Core gamers are usually the first day buyers and the first to try new IPs. When NT talks so much crap and does things to existing franchises(DMC) This is to be expected at least on the PS3 side. The Xbox360 side just aren't interested.