This is a fantastic read, and the person who wrote it obviously spent a tremendous amount of time researching technical aspects of the system.
This is a great article everyone, and an exceptionally well written one. ~Good News for PS3~
I Submitted this article in the PS3 SECTION ONLY.. so keep a note when you read the future comments on where people are coming from! :)
this article is one of the best ive read, and a prime example of a 360 fanboys nightmare This article is so well written; it lays the whole debate of ps3 hardware out on the table. This article is great reading for ps3 fans but best of all, you'd be hard pressed to say this article is full of lies, cos its the most truthful and factual article ive read so 360 fanboys, bring your excuses. Say its biased, or bs, or whatever. It doesnt matter.... ....cos the article's true
Absolutely amazing. Ps3 is undeniably the cure for my next-gen munchies.
Example of positive bias: Chevrolet Camaro -fast 0-60mph times -sexy styling -large displacement V8 -easy and cheap to maintain Example of negative bias: Chevrolet Camaro -long braking distances and corners poorly -cheap interior -poor gas milage -low build quality Example of neutral bias: Chevrolet Camaro -fast 0-60mph times but long braking distances and corners poorly -sexy styling but cheap interior -large displacement V8 but poor gas milage -easy and cheap to maintain but low build quality This article: Chevrolet Camaro -fast 0-60mph times -sexy styling -large displacement V8 -easy and cheap to maintain Ford Mustang -long braking distances and corners poorly -cheap interior -poor gas milage -low build quality Camaro=ps3, Ford=360, writer=biased
So basically what your saying is the PS3 is superior all around since the xbox360 is a Ford?? Well yea, i'd have to agree completely!@#! SONY 4 LIFE :P
I chose the camaro/mustang because they are historic rivals that were on relatively equal footing. Okay, okay, I'll spell it out for you, I wasn't making a literal comparison, it's an analogy. Now read it again and see if you can find the hidden meaning. Besides, I don't think you want to make a literal comparison since the mustang is one of Ford's best selling vehicles while the camaro was taken out of production several years ago due to lack of interest. And for the record, notice my use of the word 'equal'. It's almost like I don't think one console is better than the other... weird.
Good News for PS3 on a ps3 forums site.. NOW THERE'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE EVERYDAY :)
then comment....Theres alot of information in there, for anyone that cares about the technical side of the systems.
Does it down grade it back to a PS2?? or all the way back to the PS1?? Just curious as to how bad it bottlenecks.
Is this guy bias? “I’ve gotten a little sick of PS3’s hardware being misunderstood and incorrectly compared to other consoles/PCs out there.” He is not even done with college, “I am no John Carmack. I am 20 years old, and in college for Computer Science.” And after writing some comments about how he thinks the PS3 it’s more powerful than the 360 he adds, “The above statement is under strict review and is likely invalid. Further discussion will ensue related to this topic in this thread. A revision change may be made later.” And for the enjoyment of Sony fanboys he writes the obvious and the most predictable statements (coming from a Sony Fanboy), “Microsoft has nice tools to help developers get the most out of Xbox360, which is a noble and needed effort for developing better games. But in the end, Xbox360 has a lower roof than the Playstatation 3, and over time the lead will show and be undeniable. Taste in games is purely subjective so I won’t say Playstation 3 will have better games as a whole, but they will be technically superior over time.” There I saved you having to read for 3 hours.
This guy did his research and i actually looked into some of the points he brought up and found them to be valid. I myself like to do research, especially when i do it to prove the legality of the research of others, and in the end, it turns out that this guy knows what he is talking about. Once again, the ps3 is the best way to go for many reasons and this read only adds on to the list. I really recommend this to others. Although quite extensive, it is worth checking out.
Why can't you understand that this dood did a ton of research on the subject and is just stating the facts. He never said this article was a comparison of the systems, he was stating what he found in all he has read. It doesnt' matter how old he is or if he's out of college yet. Some parts could be considered biased but honestly it was an article about the PS3 to begin with. He's not going to write that huge of an article to at the end say it's going to suck.
yea the guy was bias at parts but hey !his like u.just stick to ur WII section and mario games then theres gonna be less wars ..ooopss!
We knew this allready. But how much time is the question? Because if it takes 3 - 4 years what is the point. X1 was awome from the start. 360 is the same. So I think people who read about this stuff should know this allready. The price still sucks and what dev. are doing looks bad too. Call me fan boy if you have to but thats how it is bottom line.
Sony lie all the time,the guys talking utter mince,he didnt even get the number of spe on the cell right,the ps3 has 7 spe not eight and most of the spe will be takin up by the ps3 operrating system and audio as well of decoding the beta ray,as for the rxs its a 7900 modifed old news.
7 x SPE @3.2 1 x SPE reserved for redundancy total floating point performance: 218 gflops. 7 + 1 = 8 spe's
thats not to say if the cell will be downgrated to 2.8 cause of pathetic yeilds
the last time i looked the cell had i core and 7 spe,this guys keeps on sprouting that the cell has 8 cores...quote Additionally, the 8 operational cores of the Cell, with 2 threads on one core provides for far more options for multithreading games. But I guess he forgot to give Playstation 3 the same objective look.The guy cant even get the right number of cores on the cell right..i rest my case
"PS3 is multicore it just doesn't have 3 full cores only one. The SPE are processors just specialize processors and there are 8 of them all included with the full core on one chip. Just because the PS3 doesn't use full core doesn't change the fact that it is still multi cored."
it does have 8 cores, however only 7 are active, 1 is redundant, you see they expect 1 of the cores to FAIL from time to time, so they have the eighth core to kick in. If they expect 1 to fail from time to time, I wonder what happens when 2 fail?
Don't get me wrong, it was a great read. Very detailed. But totally Bias. He wins an award for most elloquent Sony fanboy ever to live, that much is certain. I just wish he could've used his awesome knowledge to actually give a fair comparison. Fact is, the two consoles focus on different areas, and end up being practically equal.
what do you call a computer engineer who can't handle the math?? a computer scientist
While I understand, or at least hope, that you're kidding with this comment. I have to point out that that is not at all the case. Computer engineers actually use an approximately equal amount of math to computer scientists. Realistically this is usually the case. During schooling the computer engineer has more because he has to take the standard electrical engineering courses as well. There's actually a fairly large difference between computer engineers an scientists. The CS major is responsible for writing the software used on a daily basis by people across the world, where as the CE is responsible for the hardware it all runs off of. The theories and practice behind each, while there are similarities, are largely very different.
haha, yah of course. Actually that joke is modified. Instead of comp. sci. it should be i.s.t.. I'm in comp. eng. at PSU right now and yah I know plenty comp. sci. guys. I know all the classes they take and yes they aren't nearly as well informed on how circuitry really works. But that's obvious, and was just a joke.
Hehehe, I was fairly certain you were joking, but figured I'd post that anyway to clear it up in anyone else's mind that might not understand. How are you enjoying the CE program at PSU, I nearly went there, but opted for the same program at UIUC instead.
higher level profs could definately be better, but PSU's always a great time. What do you think, people call it the hardest major you can take.
Its definitely up there, I'm entering my senior year at UIUC and I haven't run into anyone that can claim their major is more difficult.
This guy is so biased. He claims that unified shader/vector are not the future since no companies use it. Well true because the technology is new, same as saying no company will ever use cell because no one has it now.
I haven't read the post yet as it's blocked here at work, but I definitely will as that site has great users and a lot more thoughtful dialog on both sides than what is generally represented here. This site is good for finding news, but as far as discussion goes, it's bad as there are no moderators, no ways of banning members, etc.
”Other developers wouldn’t piss in their pants and would be confused at what SIMD actually means for them. They might be too stuck in their old ways to see how SIMD processors can drastically increase game performance and only consider the general purpose abilities of the SPEs scoffing at them for not having a cache. If they want this type of computing power, they would think the PS3 is probably a piece of crap to program for and clearly measure Xbox360 to be superior or closely matched with its 3 cores and much easier to use developement tools.” ***John Carmack***…LOSER! ”Playstation 3 is a console built with the future in mind.”…..DAMN RIGHT IT IS! Playstation 1 had a very long life, and Playstation 2 is still going strong. Considering the length of time people will continue to play these consoles, it is important that they are not outdone by future advancements. The best a console can do is look to the horizon to see what’s coming, and that is what Sony is doing with the Playstation 3. Blu-ray may not be the next generation movie format. If it is, then all the more reason to buy one. If not, the vast space is still there for games should something come up that does motivate the increase the size of games. HDMI is future proof in the sense that even though the image constraint token(ICT) may not be used until 2010, if it ever comes into play the $600 Playstation 3 can still support it. The fact that it will support the newest HDMI 1.3 spec that TVs don’t even support yet also shows that once these things become mainstream, Playstation 3 will be right there to utilize it. Gigabit Ethernet may not be commonplace today, but in 2-5 years, I’m positive that gigabit Ethernet home routers (really just switches running IPNAT), will be down to the price of 100mbps routers today. Although the internet will not be moving that fast because of ISP limitations, at least your internal networks will be and LAN features could take advantage of this bandwidth for something like HD video streaming. WiFi support – if anything does prevent gigabit from becoming widespread, it would be because money was invested in making WiFi cheaper, faster, and more common. In this respect, Playstation 3 is still able to handle it.” “To me, it seems as if the Cell is a simulation monster. “Supercomputer on a chip” isn’t entirely far from the truth. If the developers fall into a computational mindset for accomplishing tasks on the Playstation 3, the Cell’s advantage with SIMD and parallelism will be utilized and it could bring some truly impressive physics, graphics, and sound to the table. These things will not be done to the level of accuracy as supercomputers since they are fully dedicated to usually one of those tasks at a time, but the accuracy would be reduced to a realistic enough level for the purposes of game play visuals or mechanics. Basic/static AI routines are probably better done on general purpose processors, but I can see certain routines being developed with a computational approach in mind. I wouldn’t expect any “oh sh*z” from Playstation 3 game AI anytime soon though unless major advancements are made in the field entirely.” ”Look for the development studios that pushed the PS2 to its limits to do similar with the Playstation 3. Multiplatform titles are probably not going to do much justice for the Playstation 3’s hardware as the transition between SIMD and non-SIMD processing presents a huge performance gap and they don’t want to alienate either end of the spectrum.” QUIT YOUR HATING AND WELCOME CHANG3!!
Central processing unit Main article: Cell microprocessor 3.2 GHz Cell processor: one PowerPC-based "Power Processing Element" and seven 3.2 GHz Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs). The PPE has a 512 KB L2 cache and one VMX (AltiVec) vector unit. Each of the eight SPEs is a RISC processor with 128-bit 128 SIMD GPRs and superscalar functions. Each SPE has 256 KB of L1 cache/software-addressable 4.8 GHz SRAM, called the "Local Store". Only seven SPEs are active; the eighth is redundant, to improve yield. If one of the eight has a manufacturing defect, it is disabled without rendering the entire unit defective. Additionally, one of the seven active SPEs is reserved for use by the system's OS, leaving six SPEs directly available to applications. QUIT YOUR HATING AND WELCOME CHANG3!! PlayStation won't rule forever.
You're the biggest fanboy in here and the worst kind at that!. Shaddy