Microsoft as we know it may not be around in another decade--maybe not even in five years. There's hardly a single tech industry trend line pointing in Redmond's favor right now, and some of those curves are about to get a lot steeper, real fast.
Time for Bill Gates to step in. @rroded - Xbox 360 has been a huge asset for Microsoft, so its unlikely we won't have a next gen Xbox.
"Microsoft's defenders, and Microsoft itself, point to the company's lock on the PC operating system market (more than 90%) as proof it's still a dominant player that controls a bunker from which it can generate piles of cash and withstand reversals in other segments. But that's just whistling past the graveyard, spouting a tune written from backward-looking data not particularly useful for gauging the impact that hugely disruptive new products like tablets and smartphones and even tablet-smartphone hybrids are about to have on Microsoft's place in IT. Market research group NPD recently found that 13% of iPad users bought the Apple OS-based device instead of a Windows PC. That's a hugely significant number for a product that didn't even exist a year ago. Just wait until it gets more features, and comes down in price."
If anyone read the technology news this week, the headlines were significant. Apple revenues surpassed microsoft's for the first time. That is huge news. There is foundation to support the question marks of microsoft's business strategies over the past decade or so, with the companies value more than halving in that time under Ballmer's leadership. These are facts. Interpretation is opinion. As an aside for a games site, the Xbox project has lost microsoft over 6 billion dollars since its beginning in the late 90s. When you see Entertainment and Devices division posting Q1 2010 profits of 382 million dollars, you realise that it would still take years if not decades to ever make a penny on the whole thing assuming such profit would be sustained!
MS was on the way down even before Bill left so that's not going to help much. Apple and Google will be the ones to place the final nails in the MS' coffin.
gaming side of things .nintendo and sony be left standing. microsft was always small fish in a very large gaming pond. if you disagree on that you must all be under my age. Longrod_Von_Hugendon MS was on the way down even before Bill left (YOUR RIGHT) On the internet and pc based side of things apple as always been a thorn in MS ass. and microsft tryed dirty sh*t to google so google have prooven there ground and thought back many times. they will end up winning. microsft started off sorry bill gates started off by stealing a idea started windows. netscape gave birth to the internet. bill gates didnt like it. the bigger they are the harder they will fall.
Another hateful article written by a typical hater. M$ only knows how to make money. Steve Ballmer has been nothing but successful and as a result is the 33rd richest man in the WORLD, worth well over 14 BILLION...ALL of it tied to how M$ performs, talk about incentive. M$ continues to dominate while the haters continue to cry. Your only as good as your last product and the fact that M$ has been around as long as they have is testament to how good their products have been. Fast forward to this year and it's all dollar signs. XBL is the envy of the gaming world. XBOX 360 the brand is making big inroads in the gaming world after everybody said the big American company should just quit after last gen. Kinect and Halo Reach have/will dominate and are. Windows 7 demolishes all ( 240++ MILLION sold ) it's competition after all the haters said they, M$, should just quit after Vista's problems...lol...Steve Ballmer only knows how to make money and be successful...get use to it. BTW...M$ has bought 12 companies in the last 15 months...want to guess what's next.
@ cez of rage: Cool story bro, I seriously hope you have stock in MS or some vested interest, otherwise that rant of your's is pretty freakin sad. Say, maybe "M$" can buy you some more bubbles.
MS is make over a 1 billion dollar profit but yet there dieing...Lmao at the haters ... Truth is any one who think MS is going to die out is a idiot it's as simply as that. Anyway coming from a web site I never even heard of I think its a safe bet to say they are just looking for hits.
what only 1 billion dollars dam microsoft really did fall sarcasm/ besides we arent taling about just all of a sudden microsoft falling they have been failing since the 90s like alot of companys its been a long time since microsoft has been worth 58 dollars a share in 2000 and then dropping sharply in 09 but they have been getting better since then apple on the other hand as soon as microsoft started dropping in 2000 apple has been rising significantly
@nickjkl I sold my shares at $32 and even that was at a lost, at least it was shorted from $35 and I haven't seen it closed to that for a long time. Right now it's hovering between $26-28, not good at all...
Thing with MS and there owners is they went about this gaming generation all wrong I mean sure it's gonna net them millions of consoles sold but at what cost really? They threw money at everything to get what they wanted where as Sony build relationships and foundations as does Nintendo. Not only are they probably gonna end up 3rd (at the end of this war thanks to PS3 catching up quick and a core of gamers leaving thanks to Kinect taking over) but they will have probably lost billions doing so.
i bet that in 10 years MS will still be here and doing like 20B per quarter... haha stupid haters never learn.
It might be...but it is more likely it won't be making that money from mobile phones, search engines, cloud computing...etc.. Microsoft is copying everyone in those areas not leading in any shape form or fashion. With LIVE Microsoft has a niche with the 360. With Windows and Office, it has a lock although there's not much growth there - everyone gets it.
I don't think people understand everybody is taking over MS territory now. With Googles O/S coming out in a few years to rival windows MS have been looking in other avenues but it seems the gaming market is too competitive to make a quick buck and MS have found this out the hard way. They have tried to make up for it though by ripping off there customers who allow them to for some weird reason. The prob is products like windows sell for a lot and make MS a lot of money as there is no real competition by a major company (linux is so small only a small percentage of users know about it and how to install/use). This all came about as there other major products like office are losing massive sales now thanks to great open software like open office and firefox taking over the web.
Blame this on the Illuminati
Man this wicked world is ran by the illuminati. People knowledge ain't up there to bring it up in topic. Killuminati all DAYY
illuminati is ultimately rulled by one. ...rainman ,a demonic figure look him up.
oh..it wasn't a joke?... *facepalm*
The issue is MS uses and old method of generating revenue. "Here is our product, pay this set price, and we get the money". In the modern era that won't work. MS still feels everything has to have an immediately payable price tag attached to it and they have not evolved into a company like Google for example that understands a broader method of profit generation and profit seeding.
morganfell Dude seriously, stop bringing knife to a gun fight. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. MS is using an "old method" yet they are ahead of Sony. Wouldn't Sony's method be old since they are last?
Not sure if you heard but your boy Major Nelson told on Microsoft earlier. 360 is dominating the PS3 the way you want to think anymore. Get with the times.
Not sure what you mean by "sony being last"... unless if you're referring to consoles, in which case that's not even what Morgan was talking about. Microsoft is a company that is going downhill (or atleast, thats the speculation at this point). Apple, Google (and hell even Sony if you feel so inclined to bring it to the party) isn't. Although I'd say that Xbox's live system was innovative. Can't say that didn't have any impact (for better of worse) over gaming.
The fact that M$ uses billions in advertising and had to pay billions for RRoDs and then some billions for Kinect oh and not to mention the millions for exlusive DLC that didn't help them in any way what so ever. Sony relies on word of mouth and everyone KNOWS that a Sony product is reliable. Microsoft the (in)famous creators of the; MS faulty operating systems(Blue screen of Death anyone?) Xbox ??? I don't know thats all I have
Jason360 seriously, get some glasses. Stop bringing a small brain to a big brain discussion. Where did I mention Sony? Let's look at that, shall we? S-O-N-Y Sony G-O-O-G-L-E Google See the difference. I know it is confusing at first, but if you try real hard it will come to you. Think of the letters as pictures. It's like last week when you made your first attempt to stop using the large Husky pencil and move to an adult No. 2. Just concentrate. I hope I am not going over your head. I don't mean that as an insult but if you can't distinguish between the word Sony and the word Google then one has to wonder. Now either you have some sort of ophthalmic issue, mental incapacitation, or you are obsessed with Sony. You know, the company that just closed the gap on the 360 to less than 500K. And discussing Sony is hardly fair to MS. One company relies on buy offs and their advertising department to fool the consumer and the other puts out solid products and continues to push the bleeding edge as they close in on second place in the console wars. Sony is already first in quality but that is a different matter and too mentally taxing for you at this juncture...er...I mean time. Understand? Good. Since you had trouble reading the word Google, I'll go easy on you, use big small words, and tell you the first company of which I spoke is MS and the latter I mentioned is Sony. Just be aware that 'latter' is not the thing you climb. Latter means 'the second mentioned' or 'later in time'.
That's funny, because Google generates most of their profit from ad revenue through their search. Not much else has produced any profit! If you follow the news, MS is poised to do very well with Azure, their cloud tech competing with amazon.com. If there is one thing MS understands, it is enterprise and that also happens to be were most of the profits are! Yes, MS has made some mistakes, but remember when Apple almost went out of business and MS saved their @ss making a healthy profit in the act. MS is still a healthy company and they are investing in the right areas. Slow or not, people thought Android didn't have a chance against iPhone. Look what happened? What about Google competing with Yahoo? Xbox 360 against the PS3?
Oh right...I guess the GOOGLE'S Droid op is free, huh?
"Not much profit...? Oh right...I guess the GOOGLE'S Droid op is free, huh?" Android Operating System is open source and free! It is released under the Apache License which means you are free to modify and use it as you wish. That is one of the reason why it is so popular, but it also opens the individual companies for lawsuits. On the other hand if the operating system was licensed like say other software such as Java, then the company selling the license is under threat from lawsuits. It's free with risks.
Aha! But yet there is a license! Open source means that you can modify it. Modifying it doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. Trust me. Everytime that little robot comes up for Motorola, T-Mobile, whomever...Googles is getting a fat check. They're selling their phones off Google's brand. *circles around ears* It doesn't matter if they make billions or not. What matters is market share. Google just need to meet enough its needs to survive and maintain it dominant market share. As long as they have market share, that is money Microsoft isn't making. That is billions down the drain. Is it that every 360 fanboy has bought into the belief that Microsoft can throw money at their problems and they'll go away?
Free is Free. Android is released under Apache License! It's not Linux, but it sure is released under the very same license that the free Apache webserver is released under. You know, one of the major webserver software that is probably power the majority of the websites in the world! If you have any proof of fees, show it to me! Don't make assertions without any information to back it up. Either way, it doesn't change a darn thing. MS just like Google has one business that is their major profit engine. Pure and simple. Everything else is peanuts! "Is it that every 360 fanboy has bought into the belief that Microsoft can throw money at their problems and they'll go away? " Based on that comment alone, I see you have a personal agenda!
That little green Android is branded by Google. These companies are using that green android in every advertisement. You see it in stores and circulars from Best Buy to Verizon Store. Google owns that. Google owns that branding. That is worth as much if not more than the source code itself. One is a fool to think that a company is not going to make money off that. It may be a lot, it may be a little. IMHO this puts the burden of proof on you, but neither of us really know. From CNN: "Google has in the past been tight-lipped about the financial details of its non-search businesses, leading some analysts to speculate that those product lines were insignificant to the company's overall revenue. "Rosenberg conceded that analysts need to use 'Jedi investigation skills to find out what's going on" in non-core businesses, but he assured them that "we do in fact care about money.'" *more circles around ears*
"latter". hmm. that is hilarious.
@Jason 360 how about you and your fanboys go away and don't come back?? They are 3 million ahead now and that's because of a year+ head start in which they sold over 8 million consoles so Sony has caught up by 5 million. Only fanboys ignore the facts so go away *shoo* Sony's PS3 is selling better worldwide year for year and if your so much of a fanboy you can't see that I pity you.
Vhero you call him a fanboy yet all you ever do is slag of Microsoft because it has sold as much if not more than your beloved Sony and it hurts you ,Morgan and the rest of butt hurt saddo's .your all prob the same person . I've no doubt sony will prob overtake the 360 but so what ? It still wont over take the wii and then the next gem will start . Your hate of Microsoft just shows your childish behaviour you need to stop worrying and start gaming you pathetic excuse for a person and do what I and own both consoles .
hasen't been the same since blll gates left
that Gates left because he knew that Microsoft wasn' t going to keep up the pace for long. But this is just my opinion.
4 days before Kinect launch, expect more of these.
ms isn't going anywhere any time soon
Think the issue is that MS is presented as an innovative company, a technology leader, that hasn't been very innovative and often looks to it competition for which direction they'll go. There is literally nothing they've done in the past ten years that someone wasn't doing already.
Microsoft has never been an innovative company. Commodore and IBM had better operating systems, but Microsoft marketed theirs a lot better.
i dont get some comments as well . MS was never innovative in software , they stole tech , bought innovative companies out , and they bullied their way into a monopoly of sort , and now the net is bursting their cozy bubble .
Their innovation isn't trying a lot of ideas, but rather take an existing one and improve and fit into an existing market. Name any idea, and I can almost point to someone that did it in the past so really the idea of innovation doesn't hold anymore.
The trouble with that, especially the way MS does it, is that they move into a field that someone else has already established and try to dominate it. Weather or not they understand the concept of the idea they're trying to now control. Put more of an emphasis on monetizing rather than understanding it while ruining the company that does.
So reporting 7.12 billion in operating income for Q3 is a sign of a dying company? What is happening to Sony then?
Income is not the only indicator or a company doing well. Companies can have massive profits and still be on the way to dying out. They might not die this year or next, or even in the next ten, but their actions and operations could lead to them suffering losses in future years.
uhm sorry but you sound no better than "jason360" with that comment. Sony is not part of the article and they are not the ones losing their once iron grip on the OS market. Try to to stick to the topic.
Oh yeah, 4billion of revenue? that's dying zOMG!
A company existence is to make more and more money. Making 4 billion a year is good if you don't want to grow. People however rather invest in growth companies so they have a return of investment. Microsoft is a good investment, but you won't have that much more as a shareholder at the end of the year. Shareholders get a higher return from growth company and emerging technologies. Microsoft had a hand opening a way for all the Google's and Facebooks, but it now competes with these upstart. These upstarts are gaining the greater market share, that growth is what I'm talking about. Eventually these companies will be boasting 10 billions in revenue while Microsoft is stuck at your 4 billion or less. You can't be thinking what is in my wallet now is plenty - someone is liable to come up and write a bigger check because you've been on your ass. That's business.
MS am dying
I can not imagine N4G with out a PS3 VS 360 world - 85% of the [email protected] that gets approved has some flame bait tittle and the other 15% is sales numbers. Dont give me that Wii vs PS3 [email protected] because the Wii fanboys are too busy playing games than commenting on N4G.
The ps3 vs 360 rivalry would be nothing to the snes vs megadrive or psx vs saturn of old times . And wii fanboys dont have a lot to argue about that's all . Game are indeed way prettier and better elsewhere (overall) , but their console won by default right at the beginning . The net just wasnt there or as predominant . Things change . hell now you can see quite a lot of apple hate growing around here .
"the Wii fanboys are too busy playing games" lol no. There aren't enough hardcore titles on the wii that turn people into fanboys. On this site there are probably 2 at most.
As a Wii/ps3 onwer since day 1 ive played more Wii games than PS3. You can only shoot stuff so many times. Plus there is no rival on HD consoles for Mario, Zelda, SSBB and other DOMINANT nintendo franchises.
dont worry. the hating will still continue but now it will be sony owned 1st party studios vs 3rd party studios. the haters of sony will find a way to keep crying. they are bitter cause of sonys defeat over dreamcast and will be even more bitter if there is no more xbox. nintendo is gaming console for kiddies and soccer moms as priority so hardcore xbox fans will not jump on the nintendo wagon. but if there is an apple console then they will jump on the sony wagon happily cause if they hate anything more than sony its apple lol . . . "Dont give me that Wii vs PS3 [email protected] because the Wii fanboys are too busy playing games" O.O .... ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Nothing in this Earth lasts forever.
steve blamer reminds me of the general character in prison break
Yeah. And Nintendo is cancelling their games division and going back to making playing cards.
With everything moving to cloud based MS revenue streams, PC OS and Office will be under pressure. As these type of apps become available on iPads and cell phones, the market for PC's will be eroded, and with it MS core revenue streams. MS will not wither and die, but they will not be as dominant as they are now.
That explains the $10 live price-hike
that's my best guess...Yet another reason why monopolies are bad kids. Companies should keep focused on what they are the best at and stick to it. But instead they become too big and that encourages they're ego/money driven execs to pursue more risky business ventures. In the end they become too big to support themselves.
How can a company with a market capitalization of over $230 Billion be over in 5 -10 years? http://finance.yahoo.com/q?...
The fatter the cat the slower it gets. MS needs to shed off some of that fat...with it's largest source being Ballmer. Gates at least had some kind of vision where as Ballmer is building doors after he is smacked into the wall.
buisness wise gates was a genius he knew how to make money and see the tides of buisness ibm hired him to make an os he did but then said ill lease it to you.. they wernt hppy but had no choice as some have said ms is fighting a war on far to many fronts some fail and the billions and millions spent in development and marketing is lost like the kin phone if apple or google or hp or anyone makes a easy to use os that has good game support and a good price tag a lot of people will switch entire cities have left windows before in germany during a upgrade plan for the citys it infastructure they were sent a ms high rank ing rep to plead with them not to switch to ubuntu they did. phones games pc hardware coud computing, each forey is riskey as they lose dominence they start throwing money into marketing to cover there flaws
I'm used to using Windows but if Linux can come out with a OS that can play games like Windows can then I'll be more then OK if they go out of business. I still use Windows because most of my PC games only work for Windows and I do not like messing with Wine.
The fact that companies make software primarily for windows is why people use Windows. If developers started making *nix-compatible software then a large chunk of windows users would switch over. Not sure if it happens, since developers love uniformity, i.e. only having to worry about one OS or only worrying about one console. Linux has way too many variants built on it. =( That, and it's a catch-22, users may prefer another OS but it lacks all the software capability so they won't switch over, and the developers don't make their software cross-platform because there aren't many users using a different OS.
Really,if and when Google makes an OS in the near future (free like most of their products),then you can bet your ass Windows will lose the majority share of the OS market.Of course many of you already know that,and I think many of you will not even think twice about replacing your OS for the Google one.
GoogleOS mainly appeals to the social-networking crowd who only use a computer to browse the web. Unless if all you do is play farmville, Google/ChromeOS isn't for you. Ofcourse, the social-networking crowd is a sizeable one, but until they learn about online apps (they exist, but it's unlikely that they'll find them on their own), they'll stick to what they know, and thats a Mac.
I'm sorry that you've exopsed yourself I really do mean that. However, we all get get tired of these one sided microsoft is dying because apple and google are doing good articles. You, Mr. Mcdougall could have atleast hidden you blatant favortism bye pointing out that in the last 12 months Microsoft has bought 2 tech companies responsible for motion and gesture controll something that is so far ahead of its competitors its not even on thier radar. You, Mr. Mcdougall could have even pointed out how Microsoft has expanded beyond the pc with its partnership with Ford in powering the sync tech found in its new vehicles, or the video codec used in blu-ray players. You Mr. Mcdougall could have pointed out how Microsoft is now a major player in the video games market, which is now more lucrative than the movie market, or how the xbox live is a standard to be embeded in windows phone 7 that is so popular that it has apple and google building immitations as we speak. You Mr. Mcdougall could have pointed out that Microsoft is a major player with digital video streaming which is the future that is leaving Block Buster bankrupt. You Mr. Mcdougall could have pointed out any of those things, but your blantant favortism wouldn't allow the journalist in you to prevail I'm sorry you were exposed Mr. Mcdougall. Maybe next time the journalist within you will allow you to write a fair balanced story still worthy of a headline.
I do believe it's leading the market in web cam development at the moment though, that's somthing.