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Why Microsoft is right not to allow HD remakes

After Microsoft’s decision not to bother with HD remixes of original Xbox games, we’ve decided it’s actually the right thing to do, and here’s why

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ZombieAssassin2071d ago (Edited 2071d ago )

Well to be fair MS themselves don't have a bunch of IP's from last gen to re-make in HD, but if they released Halo CE and Fable i'd buy them day 1.

I don't think there is anything stopping 3rd parties from bringing franchises back in HD on the X360 but I think it has something to do with DVD size restraints and them not wanting to pay royalties on 2 discs when they would only have to be paying Sony for the 1 blu-ray. This is just what i gather from all the info out there though.

@boing

Yes but I imagine the reason the PoP isnt releasing on xbox is because they would need more than 1 dvd for it and they prolly don't want to pay the extra royalties. As for MK I am surprised it's not releasing on the Xbox as well but I guess for some reason they're not doing it.

Whats your point though, I take it you are just trolling in a sense. Yea Sony doesn't own the IP to those games but that has nothing to do with this...I was just saying MS isn't doing HD remakes because they don't have a lot of IP's to really do them for. I mean whats stopping 3rd parties from re-releasing those games on Xbox?

Lucreto2071d ago

Thats true also it doesn't help that the disc size is smaller this gen than the original xbox.

8800gtx2071d ago (Edited 2071d ago )

Microsoft dont need to create HD remakes, Windows and any entry level GPU will give you your HD remakes. Remind me again, why are people so inclined to pay for what is free?

8800gtx

@people disagreeing

Most Xbox games were released on PC, those run in 1080p today. Most PS2 games were released on PC as well AKA GTA3 series that runs in 1080p today as well. Those that werent released can mostly be emulated in 1080p.

8800gtx

RyuStrife2070d ago

Dude, not everyone's computer is able to emulate at 1080p 60 fps + bugs. Even then, you'd still have to buy it (unless you pirate). But do you know how much ico ps2 cost now? Expensive. And it's rare to find it at stores. Remakes aren't just for rebuyers, it's for a lot of those who missed it the first time, and are not able to buy it now.

ico922070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

on Amazon Ico is priced between $68-200.00 yeah the game isn't exactly cheap. Remakes/ re-releases aren't just a great way of reviving an old game but also introducing gamers to franchises e.g. do you know how i got in to Mario when i was a kid ? Super Mario All Stars, i got into Half Life through the Orange Box etc

HolyOrangeCows2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

"is right not to allow"

This website is pathetic. They couldn't do better damage control if they were Microsoft themselves.

Shepherd 2142070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

Xbox had a more than solid line-up last gen.

It had all the best Star Wars games, whereas PS2 had nearly zilch as far as Star Wars goes.

Xbox:

-KotOR
-KotOR 2
-Republic Commando
-Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
-Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
-Battlefront
-Battlefront 2

PS2:

-Battlefront
-Battlefront 2
-Bounty Hunter

Then the Original Xbox had excellent exclusive Western RPG's such as The Elder Scroll's 3: Morrowind, Fable, Indigo Prophecy, Dreamfall, Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, and Jade Empire.

Not to mention the Xbox also had Halo CE and Halo 2, while the PS2 had almost no exclusive FPS games at all. None to brag about anyway. I guess there was the first Killzone but...ehh...

Then there was the load of great multiplats like EA James Bond games and Tom Clancy games. I enjoyed those quite a bit.

But, as we all know, the original Xbox didnt have much of a line-up. Im not trying to show anyone up, but for those who didnt actually have an Original Xbox, owning one actually was a real treat.

Theonik2069d ago (Edited 2069d ago )

@Sheppard
And how many of those were also on PC? (including ported later) No point in re-releasing these games and most of the tittles that weren't also released on PC weren't from MS. That is where the Xbox fell short last gen, it had a lot of great games but most could be had elsewhere. Not that i'm implying it was a bad system though.

Ares84PS32069d ago

@Shepherd 214

PS2 had no Star Wars games??

- Star Wars Battlefront
- Star Wars Battlefront II
- Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith
- Star Wars Bounty Hunter
- Star Wars The Force Unleashed
- Star Wars the Clone Wars: Republic Heroes
- Star Wars The Clone Wars
- Lego Star Wars
- Lego Star Wars II The Original Trillogy
- Star Wars Starfighter
- Star Wars Jedi Starfighter
- Star Wars Racer Revenge
- Star Wars Super Bombard Racing

I mean, if this isn't enough than I don't know what to say. Maybe not the games you want to play or like but to say that PS2 had no star wars game is BS.

Shepherd 2142069d ago (Edited 2069d ago )

Actually Theonik i dont care if they were on PC or not. Im talking about 4-5 years ago, and i didnt have a good enough computer to run any of those. So your typical PC argument doesnt work there.

And also, to the other guy who is clueless(Ares), i intentionally DID NOT mention Star Wars games like Lego Star Wars, Bombard Racer, Starfighter, Clone Wars, Revenge of the Sith The Game, etc. because all those and many more were either pointed at kids or were pretty much crap. You could have also mentioned Star Wars Obiwan, which was also on PS2, but you would have just been shooting yourself in the foot. And as i said, im talking about 4-5 years ago before current gen consoles. TFU didnt exist then.

So back to my point. PS2 didnt have the excellent Star Wars games like the shooter Republic Commando, the Jedi Knight games, or the Knights of the Old Republic games. Xbox did, and many people couldnt have afforded a console AND a good enough PC to play those games at the time. SO Xbox got the job done, PS2 didnt if you wanted those games, End of story.

Theonik2069d ago

Last gen sure but now? Why on earth would you remake them if most will be equivalent to their PC versions? I do realise not everyone had money for a gaming PC but right now you can play these games in HD on almost any PC. Waste of time and resources. The PS2's library has more tittles that need ports.
That said Ubisoft's Beyond Good and Evil remake sounds good. *Since it adds things beyond what was offered on the original game.

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boing2071d ago (Edited 2071d ago )

prince of persia and mortal kombat are not IP own by sony and are getting HD remakes for ps3

TreMillz2070d ago

thats because its more than one game packed in on one disc. in MS case it would be a disc per game....royalties is a b!tch

FACTUAL evidence2070d ago

If microsoft barely makes games for their console this gen what makes you think they'll grab old hit from the original XBOX to make a HD remake. Microsoft hardly has the time for their gamers. You should know MS wouldn't do this. They f^$%ed over their fanbase last gen, and they'll do it again.

baodeus2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

wait, so a game that fit on DVD last gen won't fit on this gen DVD, even if it is on HD persay? I don't get it (it is not like developers completely redoing the game engine.) Just WHat? I just don't understand your guys view at times.

Although for people that already own the original xbox game (that is backward compatible w/ x360), there isn't much incentive for HD remake (a tiny crispier graphics doesn't change how the game is played). I do prefer backward compatible over HD (get game for cheaper price and still enjoy it fully).

Unless you miss some game....like.............phant om dust, panza dragoon orta or something of that caliber, then yeah, it would be great to get it in HD.

@josh14399
I agree. Good point.

Redempteur2070d ago

MOst of these games have just their graphical engine remade.

as far as i'm concerned these remakes are collections ..2 or 3 games remade in HD for cheaper than a regular game WITH new things.

So it make sense that space is an issue.

baodeus2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

@redempteur

You made a good point, however, the orginal xbox didn't really have time for sequal (like God of War for example) to include into one. One of the only possible ones are like Halo, Splinter cell (also ninja gaiden, but that would be like the same game). I don't remember much of any other games that has sequal on xbox.

Now unless, they want to include 2 or 3 different games into one, but then you would run into another problem of agreement between different developers.

Redempteur2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

if i follow this logic , then microsoft just CANNOT have HD remakes collections ( god of war collection , sly cooper collection ico collection , prince of persia collection ) like the sony does because they just don't have as many franchises ??

TRUE the original xbox lineup was weak compared to the PS2

baodeus2070d ago

@redempteur

They can still make HD, but it will be a one game only. Not a collection like PS3. That is why i questions that why do you need a blue-ray for an HD remake in response to Rising Dragon post.

"3rd parties from bringing franchises back in HD on the X360 but I think it has something to do with DVD size restraints and them not wanting to pay royalties on 2 discs when they would only have to be paying Sony for the 1 blu-ray"

Dark_king2069d ago

The problems is games in HD are bigger and the 360 has less space on its dvd this gen then last.

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dragonelite2070d ago

Microsoft has paid for some licensing shit to nvidea to make halo 1&2 forward compatible. And i think they licensing cost is what keeps ubisoft to stop making hd remakes for 360 but really those games can be played full hd on almost any gaming pc right now.

Andronix2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

Great playability in a game is timeless. But graphics age badly because each year the standard improves so much. I would hate to see every crap game given a lick of paint just to sell a few extra copies. But let's not kid ourselves that everything this generation is better than the last or the one before that just because of the graphics.

GTA IV is great, but I prefer the world of GTA: Vice City.
FFXIII looks fab, but I got more involved with the story of FFVII & FFVIII.
Star Wars the Force Unleashed looks pretty and has some cool physics effects but it can't hold a candle compared to Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. SW:KOTOR has a fantastic story that grips and draws you into a fresh new take on Star Wars. Its such a good game world that Bioware decided to make an MMO with it. Many gamers might overlook it. But give it a fresh lick of paint, update the textures, the models and graphics as a whole and many new gamers will get to experience one of the greatest modern RPGs ever.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic HD with achievements? Yes, bloody, please!

PS360fanboy2070d ago

I'd totally buy KOTOR 1+2 HD collection!

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josh143992071d ago

HD remakes are great because they allow me to buy games that i either missed last gen or haven't got anymore. nobody should have a problem with hd remakes because they are cheap and nobody is forced to make them. microsoft wont bother doing them because they are spending their whole budget for new games on kinect.

bananlol2070d ago

I just know that if sony said no to the ico collection id be pissed!

Redempteur2070d ago

Ico collection is on the rails and annonced last month

NoBUDI2071d ago

Plain and simple. No cash ins here

Silly gameAr2071d ago (Edited 2071d ago )

It may be limited, but the 360 does have BC. I think HD remakes are a good idea. Like josh said, they allow me to play the games that I may have missed the first time for a low price.

Plus HD and trophy support are a great touch.

TANUKI2070d ago

How are PS2 remakes "cash-ins"? The prices alone are vastly discounted AND what is the difference when you buy all those retro games on Xbox Live/PSN?

At least with the HD remakes, there is a blatant effort to improve what was already made.

T9X692070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

Those retro games can't be played on my 360/PS3 already, where on my Xbox I can play just about any original Xbox game I want, where my PS3 can't. HD remakes benefit for Sony because they screwed most people out of BC unless you bought a specific model of the PS3 which most users don't have.

coolbeans2070d ago

See what the God of War collection starting price is, look at what you can get for God of War 1+2 on PS2, then come back to be repeated with the whole "discounted" BS you've just stated.

ksense2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

well if you bought the ps3 in the early stages you would have had bc but then you wanted it to be cheap so they took them out and got the price down to your level....

also to the person above while i agree it isn't vastly discounted there is no way I would have bought the games for ps2 and completed them with the way they looked. I missed out on those games when they first came out and i thoroughly enjoyed playing the collection. I got my copy of it for 30$ which isn't great but w.e u can't have it all instead of the $40 they are trying to sell it for.

T9X692070d ago

Yea because I'm sure BC makes a $300 price difference from then and now /s.

bananlol2070d ago

People say that all 360 models has bc, yet my arcade wouldnt play my halo 2 disc, kept blabbing about insufficiant storage. The only console this gen who seems to have proper bc is the wii. And even it have had remakes, called new play controll or something. Bought metroid prime 1 and 2 with widescreen and 480p and it was great.

ksense2070d ago

@T9X69
ofcourse that was not the only thing they took out if u noticed....

obviously they had to be fair to the early adopters that did pay that much money and bought it and not people that bitched and moaned the price was too high and just waited till they brought the price down.

I would be pissed if the price went down 200$ (since i bought mgs4 bundle for 500) and there was no noticeable difference.

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AssassinHD2070d ago

My 60GB PS3 has BC as well, and I much prefer these HD remakes.

Christopher2070d ago

I have an 80GB PS3 that grants me a lot more games to play with BC than the whole XBox library, let alone those in the library that are BC.

Stop using the stupid "There's no BC" argument when it was made available for more than 2 years and you failed to pay for it.

And, even then, PS2s are still being sold, and for dirt cheap. If you own the old games, pay $50 for a PS2 and play them all w/o the need for HD remakes.

Baka-akaB2070d ago

same here . It's not like we are asking for the whole libary to be remade . Some classics deserves the love if possible .

When it doesnt happens no big deal , we can play the original in various fashions . But when an actually good remake of a classic happens , it's in no way a negative thing .

CimmerianDrake2070d ago

Plain and simple. Oh wait, you mean you DIDN'T buy a 60GB PS3 Phat with all the card readers, 4 usb slots, and full BC? Awww, such a shame. Well, I guess I should reiterate then.

My PS3 has BC and I'll still buy HD remakes of games on the PS2 I couldn't play for one reason or another. But you know...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

TreMillz2070d ago

1. The most obvious, HD. I cant play Gow 1+2 in HD on a PS2 can I?

2. New features. Trophies, Move, 3D. Cant do that on a PS2

3. Not all PS3 owners had or have a PS2. Some do, some dont. Some were xbox owners that didnt play these games.

4. Price. C'mon now, 2-3 HD games for the price of $39.99

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panasonic232071d ago

otogi 1,2
Phantom Dust
Jade Empire
Breakdown best game ever
Death Throw
Panzer Dragoon Orta
MechAssault
Advent Rising
Jet Set Radio Future

ZombieAssassin2071d ago

Only 3 of those games were published by MS and that doesn't even guarantee they own the IP.

panasonic232071d ago

Like booing said if prince of persia and mortal combat getting ps3 and sony DON"T own them why can't MS do the samething.

RyuStrife2070d ago

Because it's not MS's choice? It's the third party's choice and where they choose. It's not even Sony's choice either. It's Ubisoft wanting to cash in on it.

ryuzu2070d ago (Edited 2070d ago )

Well since the original xbox didn't sell well, and that list of games sold badly on it, there doesn't seem to be much point.

However, I'd probably pick up an improved and expanded JSRF and maybe Panzer Dragoon if it was v. cheap. Preferably on PS3 now, but I might think about 360 versions too.

Also you missed Shenmue but I guess we'd want a proper sequel rather than a re-release.

Jade Empire was good at the time - a rerelease now we have things like Dragon Age, ME and even Fallout - prolly not worth it.

Overall though, I can't see a set of (good but) poor selling games, selling all that well second time round.

r.

fight4love2071d ago

is to limited and sony hd remix always include 2 or more games so you get your moneys worth.

Christopher2070d ago

HD remakes would likely still only fit one game to a disc. It's likely not cost effective to put out $15 games on a DVD when you have to pay licensing fees per packaged game.