Study: Kinect Has the Edge on PlayStation Move

A study from GamePro's "aunt" company, the International Data Corporation, suggests Kinect might come out ahead of PlayStation Move.

The study is actually a combination of two surveys that polled American teens and adults over the internet throughout September 2010. Based on results, the study predicts the install bases (number of people that own or will buy in the next six months) and age range for each motion controller. Here's the breakdown IDC came up with.

[The-Tentacle]

The only edge Kinect has is $500m in marketing.

[Shadow Flare]

I'm wondering how much of that $500,000,000 Microsoft are spending advertising to the rest of the world? I can believe kids in America are more stoked for kinect then move because of the massive marketing but I'd like to see some stats for, places other then America. The world, you know. Cos people like opera have absolutely zero presence anywhere else

[fear88]

1. Its by PCWorld
2. Its not a review
3. $500 billion in marketing

Maybe this is the marketing?

[Mystogan]

I used to live in the Netherlands (10 years)and i know that Oprah has a pretty big presence there(its always live), especially with girls and old people..

[MrBubble]

Advertising

[Bell Boy]

Kids in America not particularly the sharpest tools in the box.

Saw one teenager just the other day wearing 1 white and 1 black sock with flip flops...kinda says it all really could"nt even dress himself..lol

Probably as Kinect pre order though for the revolutionary experience it is about to bring..lol

[MrBubble]

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[DaTruth]

A data collecting company with the initials "IDC"(I Don't Care).

@MrBubble: Lol, I was wondering what he was talking about!

[SephireX]

You mean the obese black woman who is overpaid and overrated?

[Corepred4]

yup her. the woman who makes more in a month than your parents and you put together for the next five years probably more.

[number47]

Kinects functionality is limited & terrible compared to the Move & the Wii. It has more technology than the space shuttle, yet can only do Ricochet and rail experiences. No one can refute this. Its gaming is all severely limited and archaic compared to the other devices. But will it sell? Yep. 500 million & false advertising is going to guarantee that.

It has half a billion in advertising. Which is insane considering the advertising budgets of the Wii&Move. It will sell very well. Its just not going to really make a difference to the gaming world by essentially paying people to promote it, rather than having people promote it - as the Wii did. Microsoft should just copy Nintendo's strategy. Unfortunately I know they cant, since it would require making good hardware first. But Nintendo didn't need a half billion dollar ad campaign to be #1, neither did Sony. Microsoft is a child with a checkbook who wants to be #1 without actually doing what it takes. PS2/Wii Just needed a good product & word of mouth.Its a little too little too late Imo. The Wii camp is like Apple owners, and their #'s out number 360/PS3 owners. All Nintendo has to do is fart, and it sells its software/hardware without Ellen & Oprah.

Facts are this. People aren't buying kinect due to gameplay, previews, or anything of the sort. Which is what people bought into the Wii for. They are buying into what Microsoft is falsely advertising. I'm sure I'd pick it too over the move if it did what its advertised to do. I'm sure everyone wants the minority report world, but its just not a reality.

Mystogan,

Compared to the Wii & The Move its gaming is lightyears behind. Yes, the rare videos show no lag -- yet every single other video online of it at a games show, or a non-ms related site shows otherwise. Bam there it is. Lag's not Kinects big problem, its the fact that the games are basic webcam games that are done better already. There is nothing new to gaming in any of kinects games, yet its being advertised as such. And thats what people are buying into. They rebrand a webcam and tell you its phenomenal. You bite. You'd get an identical experience watching a Workout Tape at home. These are just the facts here.. Videos online are videos online. You can pull that up, I can pull up others. And we can run in circles doing that all day. You can pretend you've used it, I can pretend I've used it. Circles again.

The fact of the matter is that the Kinect experience as a product, isn't a significant innovation in a gaming world where we've seen Webcam game interaction, which is the maximum extent of Kinect experiences that require you to be on rails, fit into a stencil of a pose. Which you can't refute, all you can say is "buh Rares videos.."

[Mystogan]

I think this comes pretty close,if not better then the commercials.

http://www.mindch.com/2010/...

As you can see there is almost no lag at all and this is the final build.

Who are you to say that you can only do rail and ricochet experiences? oww i know the answer ''not a developer''.. all developers are saying that Kinect has limitless possibilities and you PS3 Fanboys AKA ''not developers'' are coming here to tell us Kinect is limited?

Edit: Oops there he goes again acting like hes a developer or something,

''isn't a significant innovation in a gaming world where we've seen Webcam game interaction, which is the maximum extent of Kinect experiences that require you to be on rails, fit into a stencil of a pose.''

you know what forget it..

@TheBlackSmoke

''its one action, the equivalent of pressing one button or moving a stick in one direction''

so you move in one direction?

I think your forgetting the fact that it can track you in 3D space

[TheBlackSmoke]

One example is not enough to cover up the shit load of preview's, convention demos and user testimonials at stores that say otherwise.

Besides when Number47 says that the tech is limited, its not just a referral to how accurate it can track. Even if it tracked 1:1..so what? its one action, the equivalent of pressing one button or moving a stick in one direction. How can it handle and define multiple actions within split seconds of each other? How can you apply this tech to anything other than the most simplistic stripped down casual games?

[Killed4Less]

You think everyone agrees with that fanboy laced diatribe.

haha delusion is you.

[Hades1337]

Watch the Gamespot video of their hands-on time with the final build of Kinect and they specifically mention that it is very responsive.

Also, anyone who I've seen play Kinect are (or seem to be) having fun. People can say what they like about Kinect, but isn't that the overall aim of a video game product?

[LoydX-mas]

Having fun does not matter to the Kinect-hating horde here.

[number47]

There are no Kinect games that aren't done by webcam games.

Limitless possibilities according to the man who was going to produce a real life DOG in Fable. Yes, I'll take his word. Whats his last disappointment scoring again? For not living up to the hype.. yet again..

I say its limited compared to the Wii & The Move. Your reluctance to prove otherwise is just more proof of this glaring fact. Please excuse me your illustrations of ignorance here. If at E3 Natal was = to Webcam games of Joyride/HarryPotter'hit here'/and not the promises of Milo interaction with Steven speilberg, none of us would be here now. People would have discounted it as "oh it cant even do wii games? but it tries?' and moved on. NATAL was to replace the gaming controller for people. Then it turned into 'well only for casual games' then when it couldn't even do that "well only for the same basic tech demo with a different coat of paint." which then turned into "Ok well clear your apartment out, and don't be black."

I agree, stop responding until you refute what I'm actually saying. Natal & Kinect have lag in everyday average joe recording it & in the demos that I've tried. The Lag really doesn't matter since your'e just doing a basic game input where accuracy and speed hardly matters.

Kinect's legacy is in its Launch game lineup. No game Kinect shows isn't done already by a basic webcam. It can have all the technology in the world, but its basic games will always be "hit here" "move here"...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

phenomenal.

You guys are so simple to own. Nintendo & Sony both passed up on the Natal technology because it wouldn't work for gaming outside of this basic tech that a webcam already does. Its sad at this point..The only thing kinect has going for it is half a billion dollars in advertising and lol "LIMITLESS POSSIBILITIES." but no software to suggest such limits have yet to be reached.

Edit @ "BUH BUH HAVING FUN!"

I hate when you guys always fall back to that argument after its clear that Kinect is just a basic webcam. Yes, its fun. As is the Wii, as is the Move. As is ball & cup with a friend. Whose saying you can't have fun with kinect? Not I. And you all know thats not what Kinect's being advertised as. Which is this revolutionary device, which it isn't. By your own admission, if fun is it.. then yes, it could very well be a webcam..

with 500 million behind it.

[DaTruth]

How much of the 500 mil advertising is headed to Gamespot? Probably depends on what Gamespot says in their hands-on time video!

I don't really think we can trust anything Gamespot says now... or any other gaming mag for that matter! That is the reason for 500 mil advertising budgets, a good review in every mag!

Move is advertised in the Cinema magazine and they don't do reviews, ie. not buying reviews just advertising products.

[edhe]

@number47 who shat in your cornflakes?

[Scotland-The-Brave]

your mother

[solar]

marketing sells. doesnt matter if the product is worth a sh1t or not.

see: every business on the planet. if you want to make money, you have to spend money. even if Move is better than Kinect (which i give 2 dumps about which one is better) you have to sell your product. MS seems to be doing it more than Sony.

[ash_divine]

I wish other companies(Sony in particular) would get that through their heads. It's as if they want their products to be overshadowed.

You know, in the past I've always felt that Sony deserved to come out on top.(Because they made a superior product imo) But I'm not so sure anymore. Sony just aren't willing to work for that top spot. I think coming in last for once would actually do them so good. That or hire a competent marketing team. Which ever one happens first.

[DaTruth]

I personally don't care what Sony sells and am glad they "don't get it".

I want games that cost 50 mil to make, not games that cost 20 mil to make and 30 mil to advertise! I'll find the games without the advertising!

They did pretty good with the PS2 and little advertising!

[ash_divine]

I was speaking from a business standpoint. As a consumer I appreciate what Sony has done for their fanbase. I simply want them to be successful.(as I said before, they deserve it.) You do realize that won't be able to continue making these 50 million dollar games if they run their business in to the ground don't you?

Besides, if you truly loved the games Sony has crafted, wouldn't you want them to be successful? Half of the time it's Sony own fault that their products do not sell well. I was simply venting my frustration at their missteps. Lighten up, sheesh.

[edhe]

@DaTruth

I think you're missing the point of the business. 50m games are great but how many of them will make their money back? "casual" games make money - and money enough to allow for more esoteric games.

Think about this:
1) kinect sells an absolute fuckload. (20m for argument's sake)
2) "casuals" by a couple of games a year, more at christmas. Lets say 4.
lets say those 4 games are $30 each due to discounts or w/e
3) that's $600m inserted into the industry. Publisher's take their cut.
4) publishers now have enough money to go to their "core" developers and OK a fresh new IP.
5) fresh new IP is made and delights "core" gamers because the "casual" game made so much profit.

It's all swings and roundabouts.

As core gamers we don't *need* this stuff to work but it'd help. Sony wouldn't be half as successful without singstar. Ubisoft make a lot of money off casual games so they can take time with their main games; Raving Rabbids sales = more assassin's creed development time.

etc etc.

[40cal]

"Based on results, the study predicts the install bases (number of people that own or will buy in the next six months)"

2.9--4.1 million Kinect

2.5--3.6 million Move controllers,

So in the "next 6 months" Kinect is only projected to sell about a half million units more than Move? With a half billion dollar marketing budget? I don't know, you do the math.

[40cal]

You know the article states that number of people that OWN or will BUY.

There are already about 3 million Move units out there, so Move is only going to sell another 600,000 units during the holidays? I doubt that.

[edhe]

1 kinect per console vs how many move per console?

[niceguywii60]

Nah that's the smallest edge

[N311V]

Statistically speaking this data says the number of kinect and move controllers sold will be pretty much even.

* 2.9--4.1 million Kinect motion sensors, 25- to 44-year-olds (mostly male)

* 2.5--3.6 million Move controllers, 25- to 44-year-olds (mostly male)

I'm surprised the difference isn't much larger given the apparent dominance of xbox over ps3 in America and the $500M advertising campaign .

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Where are the good games on Kinect?

[NecrumSlavery]

they'll be here before Gears 3

[NewsForMe]

You're in denial if you think that isn't a massive advantage. Justin Bieber and Oprah fans will be all over Kinect. People are going to be picking up Kinect without even knowing what they're getting.

[DigitalAnalog]

2.9--4.1 million Kinect motion sensors, -->> 25- to 44-year-olds (mostly male) <--

/facepalm

-End statement

[Serjikal_Strike]

living rooms look like that pic...
1 couch and the Tv about 10 feet away....

not many I think!!

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I have to agree with this. I basically can't buy Kinect because of the layout of my home.

[Bigpappy]

I know. I think that is what the fight recommended for the move right? With Kinect its only six feet for optimal performance. I don't think the Move should need so much room unless you strap two more moves to your legs. Even then, Move games don't track legs. So why ten feet?

[40cal]

Move works great 4-8 feet from the camera.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Kinect Advantages:

1. It doesn't look exactly like the Wii. (talking about you, Move)
2. 500 Million Advertising Budget
3. MS is basically going to shove it down people's throats
4. It actually compliments the Wii fairly well, further contributing to the whole "Wii60" idea.

[RayRay36]

What doesnt M$ shove down peoples throats? Yet they only thing they actually do well on is Windows, & thats because they're a huge monopoly. The only reason they have hardware is to get people firmilar with Windows.

[DJMarty]

1. Since when has Wii used a camera to track 3D space.(BTW Kinect is basically an EyeToy)

2. May help it sell, but if it don't work. Kinect will be returned just as fast.

3. As above

4. Bollocks, Kinect is worst than Wii by a mile(Lack of BUTTONS limits it's use)

[Killed4Less]

And water is wet...

I thought this was common knowledge?

[SmokexFFx]

Your crazy, water is not wet!

[edhe]

It's viscous!

[Zeevious]

...We use only Powdered water!

http://www.news.com.au/tech...

Just proof that anything's possible...

I'll wait for the release version of Kinect to decide what I like.
Reviews are nice, but trying something new hands-on is even better.

[Shazz]

the thing people seem to forget is that move has already shifted around 3 mill worldwide already were as kinect isnt even out on shelves yet and its all just hype as of rite now , lets wait and see next few weeks what happens

[dkgshiz]

For the game boat.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

Having more sales than Move I can see, but I see Kinect being for the ladies. Maybe I'd buy one for my girlfriend, especially if she looked anything like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DJMarty]

Kinect will be for gullable brainwashed sheep, the ones that bought the HD DVD.

You know who you are. lol

[gcolley]

you sir, are an idiot

[blackburn5]

Yeah lets ignore the crappy shovelware, enormous effort to play games that already exist and the half a second lag that messes you up. Yes let's jump to sales numbers as usual. I know that is all most of you care about. Which is why you turn a blind eye to Kinect's line up of pure shovelware. But I am not surprised. I already knew that Sony would make the superior device and Microsoft would fool everyone else with half truths and dazzle. Don't worry. Move won't be forgotten. It has already shown it has more potential then Kinect ever will. In time everyone will see that.

[Mustang300C2012]

LMFAO...Why do you sound so butthurt? Also, if you love Move like you described why do you care what is going on with Kinect if you already have wrote it off?

[ash_divine]

You make excellent points, however, sells do matter.(and not just to the suits). I'm mean, if kinect really does take off(I'm talking wii level numbers), do you think publishers will remain loyal to Sony? Infact if kinect really is a success, this might make it impossible for the ps3 to catch up to(let alone surpass) the 360. What's worse, this could have a seriously negative impact on hardcore gaming.

granted, if kinect bombs, MS will be in a world of trouble. The point is, even though some fanboys only use sells as some sort of ammunition for their "war", everyone should still pay attention to how things pan out commercially. The stakes are high this time.

[jack_burt0n]

The list states "males" for kinect and move, that doesn't make any sense to me unless its ppl buying it for their kids like a few ppl here on n4g are doing.

There is NO WAY in hell thats the demographic for kinect, and the problem with that is it doesn't really grow the industry it just means ppl will buy it for girlfriends with one game she will get bored and its never used again.

The fact that women are actually seeking out the wii and buying it is an impressive achievement imo even tho they buy wii fit and get bored after a week and stick it in the loft.

Time will tell what sells. But the lack of reviews is just crazy crap.

[Mustang300C2012]

Wow your so misinformed. By the way Gamestop has a full hour video showing 6 games for Kinect. IGN just did an unboxing. Also you are aware it has been beta tested by some of us and those websites. But waiting to see your report how you can prove it is no way in hell that isn't the demographic for Kinect.

[chiwoo]

500 million thats a lot of advirtising money it better be a success i think Microsoft Gameing future is riding on Kinect there going all out even if it does pass the Move Sony still got there PS3,PSP, and PS2 plus dozens of games releasing for 2011 but i think it will do good for a few months then Dry out like people who brought the Wii just for Wii fit

[Mustang300C2012]

Arm chair analyst at work folks.

[ash_divine]

he was just putting in his two cents. That's what the comment section was made for you know. Besides, it could have been worse. His comment could have been useless and irrelevant. Right?

[edhe]

nah ms's gaming future isn't riding on kinect, but it's betting heavily on it in order to open up more of a market.

MS are pretty solid with profitable console sales, publishing fees for retail and publish fees for arcade. Not to mention Gold subs and marketplace. $500m isn't that much when they can get $1bn per annum from live yearly ( http://www.next-gen.biz/new... ) especially if it generates a few hundred million in income.

[0oAngeluso0]

Are Sony fans really now complaining that the ad campaign is what is pushing Kinect? Really? I pre ordered mine after E3. I was impressed and saw the potential. To be honest, I still have yet to see a single Kinect commercial. I have seen Move advertised and I see those retarded Kevin Butler PS3 commercials as well as that ethnic kid who screams about the PSP.
Kinect is going to do well because it's fresh and it isn't a blatent ripoff like some other products out there. Anyway at the end of the day games are about fun, people need to have fun with games and after getting the chance to play Kinect I can safely say it is a lot of fun.
Jump In!

[ash_divine]

You are seriously in denial if you think the ad campaign isn't the driving force behind it's success. I just read an article(posted today) that was talking about how there was a major spike in sales after it's appearance on Oprah. There's a reason the marketing budget is so big, even Microsoft know that the advertising will be it's trump card.(especially since it's Sony's Achilles heel.)

[CharlesDCI]

Technically Kinect and the Wii are rip offs since Sony was researching motion control 10 years ago. Yet another fact that seems to be overshadowed.

[DuneBuggy]

Average "Joe consumer" doesnt care who developed what when. Who capitalizes it and markets it sucsessfully usually triumphs over who invented it and did nothing or too little with it.Ask Xerox how their GUI idea panned out for them.....
Nintendo will go into the history books as being the breakout in mainstream motion control gaming.

The LARGE ad campaign is going to do alot and has done alot for Kinect sales.Advertising is important for any product.Not as important to us,as we read video game news daily. But to ole' "Joe consumer" its the difference between knowing about it or not. Business is business. If Sony doesnt advertise Move enough or the right way,or to the right demographic..sorry.
Or if MS doesnt deliver the goods on Kinect or support it correctly..Oh well.

[DJMarty]

LOL, you pre-order after E3 seeing Kinect crap, nothing but smoke & mirrors, and you were impressed with Kinect.

Fool.

Welcome to the other brainwashed gullable sheep.

Pew, Pew, Pew

BUTTONS REQUIRED

[big_silky]

sony really needs to release a game this year so these trolls go away and leave one effin kinect article for people who actually want to discuss it.

[blackburn5]

ash_divine I am not worried like I said before. First of all Sony will still have their loyalist and first party developers no matter what happens. Second about developers not remaing with Sony, I remember everyone saying that about the PS3 a long time ago and it didn't happen. Third Kinect will never have Wii sales. They don't have the icon games that attract people to the Wii or the full support of their fanbase. And finally by supporting Kinect instead of working on their dwindling line up it pales in comparison to the PS3. They don't even have Gears 3 until much later. I am not 'butt hurt' as they say. Kinect will sell well but just like every year when 360 fans claim that Halo will widen the gape between Sony and lessen the gap between Wii, it never happens. it won't be a 'Wii killer' or a 'Sony destroyer' They can't catch Wii or shake off Sony. When the dust and hype settles Microsoft will still be in second place, just like last generation.

[CharlesDCI]

Even if it does sell well, I believe Kinect will see a lot of returns. There are way to many factors that could interrupt how you game with Kinect, and the average non gamer could see them as technical difficulties. I'm sure Kinect will have those too, but lets just say you live by an overpass and the traffic is loud enough to disrupt the voice recognition.

Things like that...

[earbus]

Above the mics actually quite impressive with a new noise cancellation software it can distinguish background frequencies and adjust and ignore the ambiant noise there was a video on 360 dashboard about the details.

[CharlesDCI]

Then why are they saying you have to control background noise for??