R&D guru Dr. Richard Marks says magical feeling "wears off pretty quickly"
"I totally agree that there is this magical feeling with using your hands to select something." Even Sony admits its, that feeling is all a casual will need to buy Kinect, since its the same affect the Wii had.
"I totally agree that there is this magical feeling with using your hands to select something." And you can do that with the pseye. Your point?
You mean "she/he is a point?" And do you can't really compare Kinect to an Eyetoy you know, just watch this, you might have a change of heart http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The magical feeling lasts from the time you get the box from the shelf until you have to pay - How much!!! For a camera!!! Heh. r.
Sackboi, if you were trying to impress me with kinect, then that video was the most impressive kinect video I've seen, cos most I've seen are laughable What it comes down to is this: do people want a simpler gaming experience or do people want a better gaming experience? Because if you use the wii as a benchmark, then kinect is simpler to use, and move is better and more accurate to use, which in my opinion adds to the gameplay experience greatly If your asking me if the pseye alone could do those games you showed in the video, then I'd say for a lot of them, no it couldn't. But that's where the move comes in. Not only could move do those kinect games but they'd do them far better. Take table tennis for example. Move would be able to do it vastly better then kinect, every tiny motion captured So that's what it comes down to for me. Do you want a simpler gaming experience or a better one? I'll take the latter
"If your asking me if the pseye could do those games you showed in the video, then I'd say for the majority of them, no it couldn't. But that's where the move comes in." I agree with most of what you said, but how would you play the soccer game they demoed with the Playstation Move?
they've never wanted a better experience.it's why they chose component systems and rrod.it's why they chose hd-dvd over bluray before it failed.it's why they choose to pay $50-$60 dollars for online and only get p2p.it's why they choose arcade over home.it's why they choose an inaccurate camera that isn't NATAL over and accurate controller. 360 fans just choose to have lower standards.and they want us to leave them alone and not tell them they could do better.and not let microsoft price gouge them. on topic,we know that pseye can do most of what kinect can do.i could post dr marks and his 3d avatar with hands using move.i could post trials of topaq review from youtube and show the guy controlling a gui very well just using his hand.but why bother?they'ld rather just live in mediocrity.
Tape the controller to your leg *rolls eyes* ;p
Oh Ok he's a sony employee. Nevermind. I'll just say alot of people doubted the wii, I was one of them, but I respect nintendo for sticking to their guns and supporting it and we all know how that turned out. JOY edit: @ sack_boi, cool video, kinect looks pretty accurate, they look like they were having alot of fun, I can definitely see the casual crowd getting into those games.
"they've never wanted a better experience.it's why they chose component systems and rrod.it's why they chose hd-dvd over bluray before it failed.it's why they choose to pay $50-$60 dollars for online and only get p2p.it's why they choose arcade over home.it's why they choose an inaccurate camera that isn't NATAL over and accurate controller." I must have missed the memo that said when company A does something, Companies B and C must follow the exact same business model. If you are satisfied with what company A offers then dont discredit what company B and C are doing differently. That just makes you look bad about company A. Think...insecurity You should have nothing to fear or be insecure about when it comes to how MS does their product/services. No offense man, you are heavily coming off that way. Let it go.
when i'm getting the BETTER experience? better game quality better high def media better online capability up to 256 player better hardware better 3D better motion accuracy yeah...i'm shaking.........
"But that feeling wears off pretty quickly, and it becomes a pretty cumbersome way to do things." I feel the same way. That magically feeling will wear off pretty quick, and soon after, people will realize how combersome and limited Kinect actually is.
"why would i be insecure when i'm getting the BETTER experience? better game quality better high def media better online capability up to 256 player better hardware better 3D better motion accuracy yeah...i'm shaking........." That is what you should be focusing on. It's good that you are getting that out. Dont waste your time on a platform accessory that has nothing to prevent you from following that list. That is what I am talking about. The insecurity perspective is very common. We hate what we fear most. Maybe somewhere inside you there is that feeling, that "what if" so to speak. What if kinect becomes a hit. What if MS is able to capture so many people with their lies. You see what i'm saying? Lately you are dwelling on the release of something you shouldnt. Thinking you need to be the voice of reason amongst the millions of ears who have gone deaf due to casual corruption. Bottom line...you dont have to. They will find out for themselves. Let it go man...let it go.
That really is the most impressive Kinect video I've ever seen. It actually seems to be what they say it can be (well...besides all the outrageous claims...like Milo). But you have to remember that those people aren't playing at home. They're in a controlled environment. Did you see the part where the game kept telling that guy to "Move Back"? It was saying that because it couldn't see his entire body. There is a large market for Kinect. That much is for sure. But there is a very small percentage of that market that will have an entertainment environment that suits Kinect's requirements (which probably aren't on the box). Move, on the other hand, has proven that it works at home exactly like it works on stage. Here's hoping Kinect can do the same. Otherwise, there's going to be some busy return desks on December 26th.
I remember selecting the buttons in the game menus with my hands by using my Eye Toy over 5 years ago... and Suck_Boi i have played almost all of those games on my PS2... notice how a lot of games only use 2 dimensions...
is that the Eyetoy never worked well, at all.
No Freaking way free-hand-gaming-fanobys, I play games with a joystick, I need buttons, not waggle my hands like a 5 years old kid playing in the park, like an idiot, why is so difficult to understand?
Exactly! Haha I wasn't aware that hands-free gaming fanboys already existed. Most of these people here on N4G won't even buy it. I don't get why they try so hard.
All they need to do, is what their fans say they should do. Enable the PSeye to do what Kinect is attempting to do and show up M$ for the frauds they are. PSeye suppossibly has better spec to do things faster and at a higher resolution (So I was told by the N4G motion specialist). So instead of taking these lame shots, why not re-release those great EYEtoy games that the PS3 guys claim are being cloned by Kinect. They could make a killing off of M$ advertising hands free. People seem to be buying into what M$ is doing. If you can't beat them, join them.
fact is these guys know what their talking about having walked the same path with the eye hence the evolution of the move. Most of the kids who get this will move up ta halo after a few days those who dont will prob let this collect dust next to the wii.
According to Sony the wii-mote was suppose to wear off quickly. The wii was also a passing fad.
"The wii was also a passing fad." Actually it is. More and more people are playing on the 360/PS3 while having the Wii either collecting more dust, or having their kids use it.
Thats true radphil. It only took almost half a decade for Nintendo's console to start selling at numbers the 360/PS3 are somewhat satisfied with.And they did it with surprisingly few price cuts over 4 years using last gen hardware. Its still got a commanding first place lead WW too and will remain so for a long time.. I doubted it would have been such a sucsessful console and dont want one, but credit must be given when its due.
@DuneBuggy Well the $200 starting price tag was a huge factor as well, given with how 360 was $300-400 in some places, and PS3 started at $600(man I remember when people went dead silent at that price)
A "base" 360 has been somewhat close if not at the Wii's price point for a majority of the last 4 years or so.Wii was $249.00 at launch. Sure the price posed a factor,but the "family friendly" control scheme was a huge draw.
The wii start to collect dust after the first month of buying it, the N-crowd is genious, they created a thing that looks revolutionary and awesome for like 1 week and then you get bored of it while the money of every wii sold goes to the Cayman Islands... damn, they're smart...
Then they go on to admit that it's cumbersome and wears of quickly. guess you forgot that part brother?
"But that feeling wears off pretty quickly, and it becomes a pretty cumbersome way to do things," added the man behind EyeToy and PS Move. Zir0, you take quotes out of context as well as any of the hack video game journalists (not all are hacks, though). If that's what gets people to buy Kinect, and it does wear off and become cumbersome, then people will just regret the purchase and it will only be a flash-in-the-pan success.
So will it's sales. When people realize what Kinect is, and what it is really capable of, it will be back in the bargain bin
You guys always find a way to troll.
He didn't troll you're just a mad fanboy. And what he said is not that far from the truth.
so now THE MAX SPEED 21 who the one is fanboy . but D4RkNIKON he is an angle who tell a truth
The most dangerous of them all...
Please explain to me how I am a Fanboy? This is ridiculous. I'm stating the Obvious here . Shank is D4RkNIKON's other account he uses to troll.
maybe they are trolling but dude.. u need to admit that kinect isnt for gamers.. and the thing sucks.. it doesnt even need a chance in the real world.. we all know it sucks.. we all have seen it.. whats with that about waiting for it to come out and play it? there are a hundred videos that show just the same crap that u will have to endure.. just face it.. this thing is for your mom not u
Did the Wii end up in the bargain bin?
The Wii started in the bargain bin... compared to the Xbox360/Ps3...
"Did the Wii end up in the bargain bin?" It may aswell have, as far as most gamers are concerned. I used to have a Wii and although I did enjoy some games on it, they were few and far between IMO. I'm glad I sold it when I did, when it was still worth something.
The Wii worked as advertised. Kinect doesn't (or at least there's zero evidence that it does).
Well probably 90% of the Wii's games seem to hit the bargain bin pretty quick, and the Wii itself is pretty cheap and readily available used atm... So, yes is the answer. Hopefully there's room in those bins for Kinect - otherwise, well I guess they'll just put them straight into the trash lol. Where has all this Wii love suddenly come from anyway - look over at the Wii articles - no one is talking about anything over there. All those owners, and no one cares about the platform enough to read and comment on news about it.... If nothing else, the PS3 owners are passionate enough to comment, and then there's a few MS trolls to spice things up. r.
I want to agree with you Nikon, but simply can't. I have seen what happens when you throw something like the Wii on the market. Casuals don't care about how the system preforms or what "simple" things it can do. It's new and something they haven't seen before. Its going to be huge, and Microsoft fanboys will love to brag about it outselling Move. You just have to be ready for stuff like this..
Enjoy your casual console then.
Except the Wii was riding on the coat tails of Mario et al. They have characters and games people recognize and that is worth a lot. Microsoft doesn't have that in casual games. Kinect will likely sell well but don't be expecting anything like Wii numbers.
You can't really compare Kinect to the Wii, however, since Microsoft lacks the strong stable of recognizable, family-friendly characters that Nintendo has. The Wii wouldn't have been as successful without Mario, Zelda, etc. Kinect is going to have strong initial sales. That's a given. How long-term those sales gains will be, and whether or not the Kinect software library catches on with Kinect's target audience, are questions we won't be able to answer until after the holiday season in the U.S.
Nintendo has a 30 year history as a family friendly video game company. For much of that time the name Nintendo was synonymous with video games. I'm not saying that Microsoft can't succeed with Kinect, but they do have an uphill battle with their image.
@aceofstaves don't need characters when you have avatars to fill in the gaps.
I think Kinect is gonna be like the original Xbox. It'll be here for a few years and boom. It's gone. This is my opinion btw.
"It'll be here for a few years and then bam! It disappear underneath the bottom of an avatar's shoe."
Dr. Richard Marks from Sony have a lot of Experience making Motion gaming. And you can see videos of Tech demos from him. 10 Years ago he was developing a prototype of PS Move, along with Eyetoy. Now it have a lot of Knowledge about this stuff and why is so limited without buttons.
just like the wii? Your just a mad Fanboy who still thinks Wii will be a fad.
and n4g is biased towards sony /sarcasm
What is it with this site not likein kinect? Not one ps fan said the Wii would take off yet it is miles ahead in sales and the ps3 now has its own verson of the Wii with move and that's the best thing ever made. Kinect is not even out yet and you are calling it a fail. You need to look at MS as a company to see what will sell and not sell by how much they back it with. Xbox cam had no backin and did not take off kin had no backing did not take off then look at windows 7 Xbox 360 windows phone 7 all getting big backing and all selling well. Kinect will be a big hit on the 360 And the change MS need to make the Xbox image a all round console for the core and family gamers.
I agree Sony! Whole heartedly!!!!!! This shit just ain't sexy at all.
it have to be a reason why eyetoy/playstation eye fail.
Even the bowling is on rails. Pick up ball and just throw your arm, you know with even the wiimote, you can change direction properly, swerve the ball for splits etc. But the Move is better then the wiimotionplus, i think that says it all. I don't doubt Kinect will sell, but is the tech really where it should be, i don't think it is.
you know i think it will sell like hotcakes why because a lot of people believe what they hear even before seeing it with their own eyes and to me kinect really doesnt have my attention at all ( maybe if it includes some kind of gloves or something with buttons then it would got my attention but not this)
First of all this site only hating on Kinect is just a lie fanboys come up with. I have been to many sites where others think the same things against Kinect that we do. Secondly I have no doubt that after playing Kinect that some people will realise that Kinect is not all that it's cracked up to be especially with the line up of shovelware they have to start with. And third the guy is giving his opinion on what might happen. Unlike many people who try to make Kinect look good by saying outragous things like that it is faster then a controller, he is an expert on the tech so if anyone knows what he is talking about it him. As per usual the Kinect defenders fly to its defense because of their insecurity about Kinect's staying power after it's big sales. Like I said before the true test is after Xmas who is the victor will be. Who will still be being played after the dazzle wears off and who will be going back to the store.
you got to love the ps3 fanboys who think they know better than a multi billion pound company! i find things like that funny. @bustamove OOOOOooooo who pushed your buttons :/ i never said sony are stupid i said ps3 fanboys are that think they know better than MS lol. i had the eyetoy is was the find a better word poor at best not play kinect yet but am pretty sure a £130 pound bit of tech will be much better than a £20 camera lol. your reply is failed!
I find it funny that 360 fanboys won't admit that Kinect is the same as the Eyetoy and they're praising it as the second coming. Funny how that works? Yes, because Sony are really stupid. They have no idea what they're talking about and they don't know anything about technology and business./s Next time use a sarcasm filter.
"you got to love the ps3 fanboys who think they know better than a multi billion pound company!" Aren't you doing the exact same thing by doubting Sony's statements on this matter?
The sad thing is that in many cases, they do know better or are simply thinking "WTF! what is M$ doing?" Even their stockholders are thinking the same. And what else is sad, is that you think £130 is worth it. That's exactly what Microsoft wants you to think. Same goes for paying for Xbox Live. Such a terrible, trapped mentality to have! I've never seen any other group of people so willing to be raped multiple times than Xbox 360 consumers. "Oooh it costs more, so it MUST be worth it!" True in many cases. Definitely not in the case of the monopolistic corporation known as Microsoft! They are here to take your money and in the least subtle way possible.
"i had the eyetoy is was the find a better word poor at best not play kinect yet but am pretty sure a £130 pound bit of tech will be much better than a £20 camera lol. " Like the 20go microsoft hard drive at 70$ was better than 250 go at 50$/S
"you got to love the ps3 fanboys who think they know better than a multi billion pound company! " You do realise that both Nintendo and Sony passed on the tech when it was presented to them?
May well be talking about motion control in general.
He is right. EyeToy games are quite cool. The first time people saw the EyeToy games they were impressed. And the games are fun. It has the just-one-more-go feeling to it. After a while you start navigating the menus with the controller because it is just quicker. The Move controller with navigating menus the same. You wave around and it is fun. After a while the whirring past without one-by-one selection becomes irritating and you grab the controller. So the whole navigating menus with camera or wand controller in the end - though cool - loses its appeal very quickly. And the games - to be lasting needs something that brings you back. For example - Golf or Table Tennis or Tennis. With the Move controller - if you are a Golf fan - is the best way to play Golf on a gaming system. Just because it feels real. Same with Table Tennis. EyeToy games - and I suspect the same for Kinect - does become less fun when the novelty wears off. If he referred to the Joyride fiasco - then I agree. Who the hell wants to play a driving game with something other than a Steering Wheel. Or a shooter with something other than a gun? Pew Pew Pew? Come on.
Kinnect is this guys competition.He kinda has to talk trash about it. Anyway at the end of the day his words mean nothing.Kinnect is going to destroy Move
But which one is the BETTER PRODUCT? It's Move. Search your feelings as a gamer...you know it to be true. Who gives a sh*t what your mom plays with. *cough*
fanboy sheeps best game = sales.
I agree with the Dr. Sony has years of gaming experience and knows that works and what doesn't. Right now motion gaming without controls doesn't work right.
And it never will, or SHOULD. What's "better" about REMOVING inputs? For navigation, and perhaps working with data, sure. But for GAMES? No way. It's a downgrade, if anything.