Since the Kinect peripheral was first advertised for Xbox, it has started a lot of controversy over the internet. However, some gaming enthusiasts are worried that this upcoming peripheral is going to be a waste of money.
in the end YES it will anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves whether you like the thing or not its gonna be Successful
yeah the thing is gonna end up selling i think its a piece of crap but im not gonna be dumb enough to deny its sales and in the end the thing will sell but i can already see people here saying its gonna be lame, flop, just because they don't like it and completely ignore that it will sell duuuur kinect is lame its not gonna sell because i think its lame duuuur
It will sell hotcakes, any "new" technology sells. And yes, this IS new technology, don't give me the crap that it is the same as an eyetoy, in theory it is close, in truth it is actually "new" technology. In the end it will disappoint and the xbox will lose credibility. Most people don't even know an xbox 360 is a product of microsoft so their next console will probably be called something else but the smart ones will know what and who to avoid.
It depends on how you define success. MS says they're going to advertise this thing but I haven't seen one commercial for it yet. And the whole review embargo thing doesn't bode well. I saw that raft game at ComicCon and it still had lag.
Canada,Mexico, South-america, Europe, Asia, Rest of the world = Failure
but then, I didn't think Move would sell either. The main problem I saw was competition. If Kinect or Move had released years ago, or in a vacuum they probably would have done well. That's not the reality now, however. A potential Xbox/Kinect buyer is going to have to look at the $299-399 package and then be faced with the choice of going with that or a Wii for $180. If casual games are what you're looking for, both have similar games, but the Wii has the price advantage and a roster of happy, Mario characters waving back at you. It doesn't get much more family friendly than that. Now, a savvy buyer might look at the PS3/Move bundle as well which offers the benefit of a Blu-Ray player. For Dad's, a PS3 for the kids could be a trojan horse, sneaking a new blu-ray player past the wife, justifying the purchase as something "for the whole family". So you've got the Wii at the cheap end, PS3 at the higher end with Blu-Ray - the 360/Kinect is kinda stuck in the middle of those two. More expensive than the Wii but not really offering much more for casuals than the Wii does, and not offering the home theater advantages the PS3 has. Just my take. I've been wrong before. I still can't understand how the 360, at $150 and 10 times the games console the Wii is is still playing second fiddle to Nintendo.
it pains me but idiots will buy it.
That commercial M$ is running will insure the rest of them know about it too. Hope that helps the pain.
Really... that hurts you. How? You losing money? You are too into gaming if such things worry you. GAFL!
It worries him because if Kinect succeeds then the industry will change because of all the casual success recently. Developers have a moto, "Money first, fans second". If the casual market makes more money then the casual market, then expect too see much more casual games.
"Developers have a moto, Money first, fans second" you know realistically speaking the industry has ALWAYS been that way
Well Andrew you both apparently are new to gaming compared to me. I witnessed the transition in gaming from casual in the 90's to the hardcore just before and after 2000. It is like how people wore popped collars and acted like it was the newest thing. I was doing that in the 80's. Old becomes new and then old again. Casual gaming has been making a comeback since 2006. Where the heck have you all been? Some people are oblivious to the history of change in gaming. Us old heads have seen these transitions before. You kids will be ok. No rivers need to be cried. It is only a video game after all. There are significantly more important issues that will occupy your lives in the near future than the alteration of the gaming market.
It's gonna sell. Microsofts putting half a billion dollars into marketing, and if the Oprah video last week is any indication, you know what audience Microsoft plans on targeting. In the end though I think it will end up just like the Wii. Lots of families buying it, a few great games for the hardcore along the way (not any time soon), and then slowly will die over time. What I'm most interested in is what approach Microsoft will take going into the next generation of consoles. Sony made it easy on themselves making Move an accessory. The way Microsoft is treating Kinect, I'd be shocked if it wasn't some way (or version) included in the 720 or whatever they plan on calling it.
This will be a stepping stone for something greater. I'm happy with just menu navigation and msn chatting. The games I played were actually fun so huge bonus there. What I can't wait for is the next form of kinect that will have all the kinks worked out.
if the MOVE launch was "successful" to Sony, then Kinect will definitely be ultra-successful to Microsoft. To anyone else, it depends what they think success is. Great sales, great games, great technology, great support, etc.? I know Kinect will be successful. Like @qface64 said above, "anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves "
what does Move have to do with Kinect
"It depends on how you define success. MS says they're going to advertise this thing but I haven't seen one commercial for it yet." There was a commercial for it during the Vikings/Packers game tonight
I thought that was a monday night football game....dammit!
haaaaaaa DONT make me laugh haaaaaaa OOPS just did.
coming from thekinectsource.com, I wonder what the answer will be...
Not on N4G.COM
Bingo. Because anybody who actually takes time to go on gaming websites, like this one, to keep up on latest gaming news, isn`t who Kinect is targeted towards. Why would we be praising Kinect on N4G when there is way better news for hardcore gamers out there?
Thats exactly it. Kinect is not nor was it ever targeted towards core gamers who come to game sites. This is for the Wii demographics
Yeah not on n4g.com I remember the Wii when it was launched. All of the N4G hardcore gamers railed and wailed against it - predicting its imminent failure. Ashamedly, I have to admit I was one of the people that hated the Wii... that is... until I actually tried it with a bunch of people. Yep, it was FUN! A bucketload of good clean gaming fun such as I used to have on the C64. I have said it before and I will likely say it many more times, but the FUN factor cannot be underestimated. In every single video demo of kinect I have seen, there has been a number of technical imperfections which all the haters on n4g have pointed out thousands of times.... However, what hasn't been noticed as much was that the people actually PLAYING kinect had big SMILES on their faces. Make no mistake, those people were having FUN. That is why Kinect will succeed.
The difference there is that the Wii was a console helmed by Nintendo - one of the greatest gaming companies. It was bound to have some excellent games. It launched with a great game FFS - Zelda: Twilight Princess. Kinect however, is a peripheral with very limited input control. Microsoft are making it very hard for developers and probably for themselves, when it comes to making any great games at all. And when most of them will be casual shovelware, how can you expect much quality there? Look at how the PS3 was bashed on N4G. Stupid really because anyone with half a brain would know that Sony (the same company who brought us the PS1 & PS2) would still be able to bring out great games and experiences, to the same calibre of those two past consoles. And there have been some truly incredible games on PS3, no argument there. All gaming platforms have great games. But when you add a peripheral to the equation, you have to analyse what it is good and not so good for. There is so much that Kinect is limited to, that it's not really worth defending at this point. Kinect's purpose is to try something 'new', but even if it doesn't work well, or at all.
But I'm not sure it's for me. Of course in my size living room I don't think I could use it anyway. But I'm sure there is a lot of untapped potential in there.
itll outsell Move, ill say thats pretty much guaranteed. i have no interest in the games that have been shown, but im buying one just for the motion and voice control media playback. could also be good for headset-free chat when i just quickly need to talk to someone over Live, though of course for online play ill use a headset. people loved how easy the wii was to use, and how casual the games were. Kinect is even easier, and LOOKS even more 'fun' and 'family friendly' than the wii. and contrary to popular belief, 'hardcore gamers' are not the ones that make a product a success or failure - the casuals do.
"and contrary to popular belief, 'hardcore gamers' are not the ones that make a product a success or failure - the casuals do." So the only successful console this generation is the Nintendo Wii, while the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3, which are the consoles of choice for hardcore gamers, are complete and utter failures is what you're trying to say??? With a screenname like "IHateYouFanboys" I'd expect you to have a bit more sense than fanboys, but you don't. You also don't take into account that before Playstation, before the mid 90's, "casual gamers" wasn't even a formal archetype. There was a time when hardcore gamers were the overwhelming majority. If your BS were true, gaming would have died way back in the 70's or 80's. You speak as if casual gamers beget hardcore gamers, not the opposite way around. Go back to bed kid.
I`m also going to chime in and mention the most successful console of all time, the PS2, was targeted to hardcore gamers LARGELY over casuals. Nuff` said.
youre kidding yourself if for one second you dont think that millions and millions of the 360 and PS3s sales are to the 'casual' crowd. theyre the people that bought the PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player. theyre the people who bought one when it had a price drop because they didnt care about it before then. theyre the people that buy them and then hardly buy any games. theyre the people that buy the arcade 360s. the people that buy the 4gb 360 slims. they just want to play some games every now and then. if it was the 'hardcore gamers' keeping these consoles afloat, dont you think games like God of War and Uncharted would sell more than 3 million? since every 'hardcore' gamer knows of these games and wants them, surely they would sell 10 million plus if the majority of the console sales were to hardcore gamers, right? 'hardcore gamers' bought their consoles around launch. casuals buy them steadily as the years go buy, as they get cheaper and cheaper. yes, there was a time when 'hardcore gamers' were the majority. but then video games got popular and mainstream. thats when the casuals came in and we saw this HUGE explosion of sales, starting with the PS and then the PS2 especially. people bought the PS2 because it was the cool new thing. it played DVDs, it had 'realistic' graphics, it was the 'future'. you dont get 150 million console sales by only selling to 'hardcore gamers'. you get that much by selling to the masses - the casuals. have you not noticed that both Sony and Microsoft have HEAVILY shifted their focus towards the casual gamer? they do this because they know in order for them to 'win', they need that market. like i said, the early adopters are the 'hardcore gamers', and theyve all got their consoles by now. they need to bring in the new gamers now.
yes it will, it will sell like hotcakes, it will outsell everythink and dance central with you shape fitness will be the killers app. Unlike Sony's "MOve", kinect will push the xbox 360 sales higuer than ever
Somehow move is still selling by a reasonable logic, by your logic the ps3 should've been dead but it's not.
$500 million spent on marketing will make any product successful. You spend that much marketing a Uwe Boll movie and you'd have people lining up for midnight showings across the country. You have to understand, whether it's good or not doesn't matter. Microsoft spends all this cash on marketing so they can project the image of success. Why do you think they're throwing launch parties with C-list celebs in Beverly Hills? It's a safe bet that no one in that room knows anything about gaming aside from the Microsoft employees. It's all about image.
Your first sentance has to be the dumbest statement I ever read. There are products stacked in junk yards that cost millions and billions in marketing and development. From cars, tv's, jets, and even dead game consoles. With a statement like what you made, I have to wonder how new to this world out of your mothers womb you are to think money guarantees success and acceptance. Live a little, experience the world and then reflect back to that oblivious naive statement.
Oh, so those cars, TV's, jets and dead game consoles never had owners? Straight from the factory to the junkyard? That doesn't sound like a very viable business operation to me. I assume they were all allocated half a billion dollars solely for marketing as well, since that's what I'm talking about, not production costs.
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C-list? Nun-uh honey. High School Musical skyrocketed Ashley Tisdale to fame.
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Chad wait, you just post what the marines is doing wit our money shootn an 360 that is LAME as hell, not u...... WTF is on they minds they just waisted a lot of shell on what!!! cuz something doesn't work REALLY YALL REALLY
Nothing like good humor.
Then people will realize how much space, how clean the room have to be and how tough is to play more than one person because of that... I'm really curious about how kinect will adapt to a real gamer's crowd (which we know are though one). If they just target the casual... well I will be even more happy with my ps3... and the move... maybe they will send less (in north america) but they will develop game I really want !
I think so, it'll certainly sell well, it should open up the console to new demographics, help squash the "hardcore" stigma some place on the 360. Will it get those pad loving FPS gamers to put that pad down, with it's current software offerings, I dont think so, but who knows what the future will bring.
you are right about that i played my share of fps on 360 but there other titles that deserve to be played
Yes it will be very successful. No matter what the Ps3 Fanboys might say... It IS NOT A HD WII as with the MOVE!
a pseye which is proven to be fail. Only delusional 360 fanboys like u will think it will be succesful. Sure MS will put that 500million dollar marketing to work maybe sell 2 million im pretty sure the media already going to label it as crap and then it will just be used as nothing more as a camera peripheral like what happened with the pseye.
hate Kinect all you want but its going to be successful Hitman like it or not. Hitman keep telling yourself it will flop. Yes we know you hate MS and the Xbox360 but Kinect is going to be successful. You can continue to hate on it. And if you think move is going to outsell Kinect...i wont even bring in numbers, your kidding yourself. MOVE is the better gaming add on by far as seen, but these controls are not targetd towards core gamers.
hoops whats your definition of success? Im 90% sure it will be a financial flop for M$ 500mil marketing doubt they will turn much profit on that and idk any1 getting it while I know several with Move already and it already sold more than M$ projections for the year in a single month. History says flops and every1 with common sense knows this is just a gimmick. I say Move outsells Kinect 4-1 by the end of this Quarter. Edit:Hoops lol MS expects Kinect sell 3m this holiday Move already at 2.5mil its going to pass Kinect numbers for the holiday before Kinects even out you wont bring out numbers because you cant lolz. MS money wont even save this 1 from failing. Ever since Kinect was announced ppl been saying wait this wait that we waited and Kinect been the most embarrasing thing to the industry I have ever seen since I been a gamer (all my life).
Move it's more than just a HD wii but even if you consider that it's just that... How take the Wii and make it HD is bad ? MOVE have been positively reviewed by casual and hardcore gamers.. let's wait for the Kinect... We have to wait because microsoft don't want reviewers test the hardware before the launch... On this one, Sony showed more confidence !
No more like an HD Eyetoy.
I don't think so
It better. Microsoft has shifted their focus on the 360 from hardcore gaming, to snagging the casuals, and with 1/2 billion dollars to accomplish that task, failure would be devastating.
Maybe in America. Anywhere else, no.
yea its gonna sell with its massive marketing budget well placed commercials (even tho the one i just saw during the football game was a wii rip off lol) celebrity endorsements that will surely entice soccer moms and the like. i still find it weird that the core xbox owners the ones willing to pay for xbox live and its content have essentially been put on the back burner so microsoft can attempt to get the casual crowd. i know they said there will be hardcore games but with the majority of xbox owners being hardcore gamers i woulda thought they'd cater to those gamers needs first instead of taking the risk of the casual route
With all of the money and hype built around it, you would have to be blind not believe so. Initially, through the holiday season and into next year, it will be successful. However, I believe the long run will be a different story. I am not an expert nor an industry insider, but in my gaming opinion, I feel that it will go the way of the wii with large interest at first, and then not enough enjoyable games (or only a few every once in a while, still not enough to justify getting it) to keep it going. I also agree with many of the posters above, we are not the audience for Kinect, and it does not interest me at all. But other people seem interested. My opinion is still out on both the Move and Kinect though. Have not tried either, and would like to try both. But they just don't seem to interest me, or at least not yet. The ever increasing trend of catering to "casuals" is something that I am not a fan of as a gamer. What I would like Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony to do is remember who, in the long run, will be buying and enjoying their products and games. And that answer is not the casuals or the people who treat gaming as just a fad.
I think we should be asking ourselves, not whether kinect will sell (obviously it will...think tickle-me-elmo phenom of parents being told by media and ads that everyone wants one, so your kids do too aka hype-train), but whether it will be able to sustain itself with the sales of kinect games/software. Unlike the Wii, which is a console in itself and able to be played in a "traditional" (buttons and joystick) manner, the kinect is a peripheral that is somewhat specialized in a sense that it cannot be applied to any other console. Software publishers are going to want to get in on high kinect hardware sales, but if they see that software sales are lackluster, I highly doubt they are going to take the risks financially to produce truly unique games to compliment the hardware. Now you may ask "what about the Wii's popularity and high shovel-ware status?" and my answer and opinion would be that Nintendo's very strong 1st party studios have kept them afloat by not only producing a fairly steady stream of crowd-pleasers that seemingly inflate sales of software (a good sign for those shareholders)but also produce a good trickle down effect on techniques to maximize the fun of motion controlled games. The kinect on the other hand doesn't, imho, have the great 1st party studio support and will have to rely on the originality and creativity of mostly 3rd party developers, which doesn't bode well for the kinect. So yes, it will sell, but will it last? Only time will tell. I'm holding out for when/if kinect 2 debuts.
combining standard controller with a camera i dont think it will happen with kinect one, i think more and more people will come to except kinect as bringing something new to the table, and when kinect two comes out it will be more successful
I agree with "I HATE YOU FANBOYS" casuel gamers are the majority. only reason I bought my ps3 60gb for blu-ray movies an casuel games such as jak an dexter,ratchet an clank,need for speed, GT5.. hopeing R-TYPE 4 space shooter and Gradius 6 would come. Enhinder also and CONTRA 5 any side-scrolling game still hopeing!!! always has been a casuel gamer. dont care if i get disagrees
I'm not convinced that Kinect will be successfull outside of the current Xbox 360 userbase. I personally saw no PS3 console sales flux during the release of Move. Leading me to believe that the only individuals that purchased the devices were already PS3 owners. I feel that the same pattern will happen with the Xbox 360 and Kinect. There will be strong sales of Kinect but little too no out of the ordinary flux in overall Xbox 360 sales. Can it really be a pay off for Microsoft if it doesn't entice new people to purchase their console? I also have to think about the current Xbox 360 userbase. Are they willing to pay $150 for a piece of tech that has a limited library of games for the more serious gamer. When the Move lauched it launched with it's own library as well as an integration with past PS3 titles. Kinect will have to sell with its launch line-up alone, that to me is a huge disadvantage. The current line up will be fine for some, but usefull, clever integration with games like Gear of War, Call of Duty, Mass Effect, or Halo 3/Reach would give more incentive for the more mature gamer if not gaurentee a purchase from them. The casual market was tapped with the Wii as the spear-head and it seems Kinect wants to sway some of those users to go with Kinect but I feel that those Wii owners may feel that one console is enough for them. For those that don't own a console at all, I'm not sure full-body control is the periferal they are holding out for. I know this is a touchy subject and people can speculate and analyze all they like but nothing can realy dispute the cold numbers that are released. We'll have to wait and see on those to put things like this to rest.
CrazyForGames "yeah the thing is gonna end up selling i think its a piece of crap but im not gonna be dumb enough to deny its sales and in the end the thing will sell " Not "in the end". It will sell at the beginning. Then after a couple months, all the lies from Micro$oft's official PR Department, even with those from Micro$oft's unofficial PR Dept (Kotaku) won't be enough to cover up the fact that second-hand retailers are literally inundated with the thing and "teh salez!" have come to a halt. And in the end it will be recognized as the major failure it actually is. ..that or we really deserve to be wiped out from this planet with a biblical disaster come 2012. -_-'
Depends how you measure success. If you measure success by sales figures then my best guess would be yes, it will be successful. If you measure success by quality of hardware, software, etc... We all will have an opinion on that once the Kinect has been out for a while.
and when you pre order it you lose your self respect and dignity!
Of course it will sell. Microsoft is spending millions on advertisment.
Just the amount of damage control by the numerous Kinect sites indicates that something is wrong with Kinect. Many of the articles sounds as if they are apologizing for the Kinect flaws. The question is not if the marketing will have the effect of a few million devices out into the hands of consumers the first month. It is rather if the consumer will be happy with the purchase. Many people will buy on the hype alone - so we should see a large launch number. With Move Sony seems confident that the product will sell itself based on the demo's and the word of mouth from consumer experience. Kinect does not seem to have much good feedback from the gaming community - hence we see the artificial feedback - from paid celebs to create the impression that consumers should be happy - because - Hey - Justin Bieber and Oprah and David Beckham likes it. Just look at the great big happy smiles on their faces. So the people easily ah.. moved by such will buy it for gifts etc. Now I wonder how many PS3 owners will be perplexed during the holiday season wondering just why Aunt Barbara bought him a Kinect when he does not own a XB360...
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