Lawsuit-dodging system the peripheral of the future?
Its the camera that changes everything, obviously. Microsoft was lucky not to get run over while creating kinect.
Kinect being 50% of the resolution of the PS2 Eyetoy means it's imprecise, and a mediocre CPU with limited bandwidth and L2 Cache results in lots of lag. The video below shows a level of precision and responsiveness that's never been demonstrated on Kinect: http://www.youtube.com/watc... So far none of the actual Kinect games have shown anything that wasn't already done, with less lag, higher accuracy, and more simultaneous players, on the PS2 Eyetoy. PS2+Eyetoy=$150 (higher precision, more games, more responsive) Kinect+360=$350 (laggy, poor control, few available games are clones of Eyetoy games) The only change is higher price and lower performance.
Not to mention the fact that the Eyetoy could have up to 4 players! http://www.youtube.com/watc... unlike Kinect being only limited to 2 players
was that video meant to prove eyetoy is better lol. Theres a massive difference between being projected on screen hitting what looks like speakers than actuallym being able to control an avatar which mimmicks your every movement. You show me an eyetoy game which allows you to directly control an avatar and ill apolagize and then rip my preorder up and put a picture up to prove it but you wont be able to because you know as well as i do that eyetoy annot do that where as kinect can so stop your trolling clown
@hennessey86 I don't know about the eyetoy but I know the PS Eye can do it http://www.youtube.com/watc... Edit: Picture please!
It's changing gaming alright...for the worst. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I will believe it when I see it. Sony tried it with the Eye on ps2 and that didn't go anywhere.
There are still people who believe that the Milo "demo" was real? http://www.youtube.com/watc... lol
This only tracks the head. Full body tracking is a completely different animal, as any motion capture engineer will confirm. Not the same ball park at all.
as far as MS is concerned. And i dont see why they shouldnt be allowed to do this. It is not like this device now replaces the wiimote and ps move because those are on different platforms. This device only pertains to the 360 and yet so many are either nervous about it or in straight up denial that it can be done. Just let it go already. The wii changed gaming enough to entice sony to release their motion controller. I dont care who had it is dev first, it is who got it released and stole the thunder first. MS approach is not going to infringe on the way people play ps3 games so.....why do they still hate what MS is experimenting with? I know first and foremost that both of these (move/kinect) could more than likely be the defacto standard come next gen. Sony may actually hang up the ds4 in favor of the move/nav and MS will go all out for full interactive controls.
Oh wait, was that article supposed to be serious? Honestly, Sony could come out with the Dual Shock 17 and I wouldn't give a rats ass, as long as the games I'm seeing on the screen are meeting the standards of the current generation. If I want to get off the couch and play basketball, I'll GO PLAY BASKETBALL!! Videogames are for couch potatoes, and that's the way I'll always look at it. The only thing they could come up with that I would find useful is a true 1:1 golf simulator, because those are useful in the winter, and usually very expensive.
The wii already changed the way we game, not some old tech
There is a reason why Sony and Nintendo passed on Kinect....we will soon see why lol.
There is a reason why Nintendo turned down Sony on an disk based console calibration. There is a reason why Sony did not believe in motion gaming like Nintendo did. There is a reason why Apple sold Halo to MS. There is a reason why Verizon turned down the iphone. There is a reason why the Charlotte Hornets traded Kobe Bryant to the Lakers. See what I did - dont knock something until it comes out. Move sold well and is here to stay, congrats to Sony. Why can't you people just let MS and Kinect be - if they are destine to fail or succeed let it be. EDIT @ below: So when the PS3 sales well in Japan its a very important part of the Sony brand but when they makes decision like cutting motion gaming, Sony Japan is the ugly step child. @Visual - which was my point lets wait and see what happens instead of posting some negative comment on every Kinect article - there is another article above this one that just got approved - look at the comments and see what I am talking about.
Correction: Sony Europe believed in motion gaming. Sony America believed in motion gaming. Sony Japan did not believe in motion gaming. There's a massive difference.
Don't worry, R2D2. A lot of people on here will eat their words soon. One needs to be quite naive to think Kinect will be a commercial failure. Within 4 months it will outsell Move by 4:1 or more. Feel free to quote this post in February. I will.
you mentioned 1 company abandoning a piece of tech due to it being to expensive/having little faith/ little interest in it. 1 ONE. in "kinect's" case I believe it was 2 MAJOR companies, one of which has A LOT of experience with failed motion controllers AND knows about risky peripherals better than any other company (Nintendo - see Power Glove and Virtua boy) In all the cases you mentioned, every company turned down a tech because: a) they weren't familiar with it (Nintendo with disk, Verizon with Iphone) b) they had no previous experience with it thus were unsure of its outcome (Nintendo with Disk, Apple with Hal) c) had no use for it (Apple with Halo) ..... so...bad examples there buddy, but I see what you tried to do,but You are right in one thing: some things that get turned down by one company that are picked up by another CAN become a success, but they don't always - we can only wait and see
kinect is more than just a 3D camera it is a library of predictive motions based on the works of two phd's. secondly nintendo and sony did not turn down the tech behind kinect. they turned down the 3DVO tech kinect is based on primesense tech. MS brought 3DVO to avoid patent infringements. dont know if kinect will be good or not, but I do know that it is something new. ps eye may look similar but the tech and software are vastly different.
The out come is the same and from what I have visualized the results are similar or not as good with kinect. Regardless I don't see the point to any of this. I believe kinect will do better not because it's a better product only because of the stupid people that will keep bowing down to every product Microsoft makes and they will be left with a bunch of dust collecting camera's in my opinion because the fun will last only a few seconds like with many wii's. For me I've already played in one week more on my move then I have ever done on my wii so that's all I need to know. As well I don't feel like bouncing around like an idiot like all the celebrities Microsoft keeps showing us playing kinect not one has made me think this looks like fun.
cant wait to hear why some of you wont be buying kinect and how much it sucks for the millionth time. also dont tell me i'm inviting negativity, I'm just hoping that by calling it out people will stay civil just to spite me.
am I missing something?
This is a discussion. D-I-S-C-U-S-S-I-O-N. I don't see anyone saying Kinect sucks and they won't be buying it. I see interesting debates that are criticizing it. Again, the reason why people are questioning Kinect is because it appears Microsoft is abandoning the hardcore.
Microsoft XBOX brand was built with like 80-90% hardcore gamers. If they abandon them, I am sure they know the consequences. Look at Nintendo. They got all those huge initial sales and (mostly) forgot about the hardcore and look at it now, nobody ever plays except on rare occasions. I highly doubt they will stop releasing hardcore games.
I see a discussion. I don't see anyone saying it sucks without a valid reason. I beat half of you who are defending this to death won't even buy it.
Nobody discusses here they just argue back and forth with fluffy BS I don't know why I even try to have a discussion someone just get's defensive or sites a hole bunch of things they think is fact with no proof.
physical controls are the only way to play games
I need buttons, sorry Kinect you fail.
Power glove seems to have more functionality,.. in terms of complexity of gameplay options,.. had d-pad and buttons,.. and ps2 eye-toy outperforms it in terms of fast tracking,.. if this doesn't fail,..we all are morons and are fuuuuucked !!
Kinect Will Change Gaming for the worst Kinect is the end of Hardcore games for the xbox 360
Oh yeah that's right you can't prove it. Microsoft knows their audience is hardcore. If they abandon them, then they know what will happen. They can go after casuals all they want, and still please the hardcore. Sony has had casual games since PS1, did they abandon the hardcore? They had casual games on PS2 Eyetoy and several shovelware games, did they abandon the hardcore? No. So why is it that when MS wants to get into the casual audience, they are automatically abandoning the hardcore? You guys fail so hard at trolling it isn't even funny. I guess it is just the popular thing to say around here. I saw a lot of this while going through school. It was cool to say "dude" and "bro" in the nineties. Then it was cool to say "tight" and "hella-good" or "hella-bad" in the early 2000's. Now I guess it is the "cool" thing to say the hardcore will be abandoned.
but what, in this past year, has MS shown the hardcore gamer to assure them that they are not forgotten? hardcore DOES NOT equal Gears of War and Halo. oh, those games are certainly geared towards the hardcore (no pun intended), but they are only two. Microsoft had GDC, E3, and TGS to show us what they got. what did they show us? Kinect software. and Gears of War 3. for some of us that have invested in the Xbox 360, that's not enough. i have no judgments on Kinect right now, but i CAN say that, from what i've seen of Kinect software, not a single game has even remotely interests me. not even a curious "i'd try that." on the flip side, Sony is most certainly copying Nintendo's software, but more importantly, they have showcased game after game being geared towards the hardcore, and many of them even support MOVE (Killzone 3, SOCOM 4, etc, being just two). for every MOVE specific game revealed by Sony at GDC, E3, and TGS, there was a Killzone 3, SOCOM 4, Resistance 3, inFAMOUS 2, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5, etc, etc. as an Xbox 360 owner, Microsoft has yet to convince me that they are willing to provide both a hardcore and casual experience for their install base. they have 7 or 8 first AND second party studios. Sony has 19 first party studios, and 11 second party studios. Microsoft is spending $500 MILLION dollars in Kinect advertising, but that $500 million could have been spent developing numerous high quality EXCLUSIVE titles for the Xbox 360's CURRENT and DEDICATED install base. most games cost about $10-$20 million to make. uber projects can balloon to $50 million, but they are truly a rarity, especially this late in the console cycle. that $500 million could have funded SO MANY projects on the 360. alas, it's going to Kinect commercials, because that's EXACTLY what we've been asking for. COMMERCIALS. not GAMES. i am SO GLAD, i'm a PS3 AND 360 owner, because when shit like this happens, and there's a gaming drought on one, i can always enjoy the other, or the multi-platform titles releasing. for me personally, Microsoft has severely been disappointing this year (and i've bought Mass Effect 2 and Alan Wake this year, i'm considering Fable 3, and i'm currently playing Halo: Reach. i'll spare you my PS3 purchases this year, but they were many more than just the four 360 titles listed above). it's not the "cool thing" to say the hardcore will be abandoned. actions have spoken louder than words right now. show me Microsoft's commitment to the hardcore that doesn't rely on the words "Gears," "War," and, "Halo," and we'll see. one or two games isn't enough.
HOW EXACTLY WILL THIS CHANGE GAMING WHEN ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE,WITH MORE ACURACY
Then, unfortunately, I won't be playing games in the future. Full-body game control is only useful for people who can actually move their full bodies unaided. I'll stick with controls.
It won't be the future of gaming as long as there is Nintendo and Sony. It's the future for Xbox fans hahaha.
Kinect will change the interaction between device (xbox360)and user. But I don't see it having a large impact on the hardcore gaming scene. Either way with Microsoft having a large number of kinect associated patents it will be interesting too see what the one popular application of kinect will be.
Remote-less navigation through device menus (TVs, for instance) would be a very useful application of the tech. No more hunting around for the remote. If anything, the non-gaming aspects of Kinect's technology are far more interesting.
I expect that Milo will be the basis of a new user interface using Kinect on PC's. Imagine instead of booting up your computer and seeing your desktop, you are greeted by a virtual secretary that asks you what you want. Maybe you could even customize your "secretary"... Make it female with long legs and a short skirt... a tight ponytail and pair of glasses that say "oh, i'm really naughty when I let my hair down"... ... hold on a minute... ... ... ... Okay, i'm back. Anyway, it could potentially revolutionize PC operating systems the same way that Macintosh did (Mac came out a year before Windows). I don't see Kinect being very useful for most games, though. At least not without a supplemental controller. The thing that worries me about Kinect is that Microsoft made sure to buy up the competing technology of 3DV. If Kinect becomes as successful as Microsoft wants it to be, and they have effectively eliminated any possible competition, then they would pretty much own any industry that they put Kinect into.
[email protected] your first paragraph. I'm sure there'd be a market for a custom Virtual Assistant. ;) You do bring up a good point regarding a possible 'dark side' of Kinect, if it does become a new interface standard. I hadn't even considered that it could result in an MS monopoly. Bubbles for bringing that up. All we can do is wait and see what happens post-launch.
I was serious about that "virtual assistant" idea as you called it (I like that name better) up until the part where i got, uhm, distracted. Microsoft has said that Kinect can provide a more intuitive interface, and they are working an an A.I. system specifically for interacting with people. I just put two and two together. It would be kind of like the librarian from the remake of "The Time Machine". As far as the monopoly part, i do hope that other companies can get around Microsoft's patents to provide competition. Competition prevents any one entity from being too powerful as well as providing the competitors incentive to produce better products for their consumers. Monopolies lead to unethical businesses and stagnation.
I read a review by a guy that said kinect was good but throut the whole article he said: ping-pong - you can't control where the ball actually goes you could even just waive your hand and you would hit it. racing game - you don't control gas or break just steering. How is this better technology I have less control while playing games that I have played many times with more control. Might as well just bring pong back.
I like to see how "responsive" it is when playing Call of Duty.
Do you play tennis with a golf club? Do you operate a screw with a pitchfork? Do you cut your steak with a spoon? Kinect is not made for Call of Duty. Different tools for different jobs. Different controllers for different games. It's not that hard to figure out.
First sentence in this article "Physical console controllers are a joke." It's not too hard to figure out that the author thinks Kinect will replace controllers, read the article next time.
Why need gaming to change anyway?
hmm. thought kinect used the 360's CPU to run. Didn't microsoft say they removed its CPU to lower cost?
it's the future for waggling
dont make sense to CHANCE anything thats not broken
Will be the change in the pockets of those who are misinformed with the limitations kinect really has. If anyone has noticed, the games on kinect graphics wise has taken a great leap down that the wii has games that look better then almost every kinect game shown. Doesnt that bug anyone? Especially since the 360 does have better graphical games? No wonder why sony & nintendo ditched kinect because of the limitations.
There is not a single game on Wii that looks better than the worst game on the 360. I have both. Maybe art style wise, but graphics? You have got to be kidding. Unless you are blind as a bat and biased as hell, there is no way you could come to that conclusion. You are saying that this: http://www.nintendobuzz.com... Looks better than this: http://media.gameplaybook.c... I have seen some retarded comments on here before, but I think you are the winner of most retarded thing ever said on here.
Shouldn't you guys be playing on your awesome console instead of trolling every kinect article? Oh yeah, I forgot, last major exclusive you had was in March. The number of agrees for a negative comment about kinect on a kinect article just prove how many of you critters are online talking about games instead of online playing games. X360 fanboys may talk alot about sales, but that only means more x360 fans actually BUY and PLAY games instead of just TALKING about pretty graphics and how much they want to give birth to their precious SONY's offspring.
Why are you so mad? When some moron writes an article with a bold title, then provides no valid reasoning behind his claim, people are going to criticize it. My opinion is that Kinect will fail badly, and I wonder if Americana will save this lame attempt by MS at breaking into the casual market as it's saved it's defective POS system over and over. MADE IN AMERICA!!! Wooo. Actually its probably manufactured in Taiwan or China or something, but MS is an American company, so lets buy it.
But Sony fanboys bought Heavenly Sword... 360 fans didn't buy Enslaved. No problem though, I understand that it isn't a shooter. We all know that the highest played 360 game is called "Sales". It is played by every 360 fan religiously... so much so, there is no need for exclusives. Just sayin'
I rented it from gamefly and didn't bother finishing it. Same thing with Heavenly Sword for my PS3. I didn't care for either game.
But that was the dumbest article I've ever read. Patent squatters have patents of anything you can possible imagine. There is probably a patent for mind control gaming already. The idea that Kinect is impervious to frivolous lawsuits is comedic in itself. People will attempt to sue anyone for anything nowadays... especially a big money item.
and to a degree is already available. There are a couple of board games that use it. Just a matter of time before consoles latch onto it. I actually half expect that to be the big surprise for Nintendo's next console.
Now Mind control gaming is the future. Combine mind control with motion controls. Use your mind to move the character and interact. Use motion control for action.
Mind control for games probably has a bunch of patents since there have been products for at least few years now http://www.mindflexgames.co... http://www.emotiv.com/ And more directly related to the article and Kinect, Sony has a number of patents related to camera based gaming. Remember Microsoft showing off scanning an object to use in a game? Sony have a patent on that so I expect that is why they don't talk about that any more. Unless you have something truly revolutionary then there are likely existing patents related to your product. None of the consoles nor their motion control implementations qualify as revolutionary.
Day 1 Purchase for me. Can't wait. Thank you MS for offering something new and inventive to give me a gaming experience unlike anything on any of the 2 competitors.
How is a camera innovative we have already had that with the eye. Just because the hype and advertise more does not make it inventive unlike the other 2. Even the games have all been done in some sort. Eye pet for example is similar to kinectimals or whatever it's called. Bowling and racing that's not innovative even the adventure one was kinda done with the wii fit one mind you this one looks a little better. \ With wii I had to hold a controller and tilt to drive how is that any different then holding my hands up in the same fashion at least with wii I could tell my car to go faster and slower. Get a life man and say something with some substance in stead or just fluffy BS
it great to expand to more casual audience and family
nintendo would like to have a word with you
How Kinect will change not only gaming, but people's everyday lives. Imagine the world taken over by Kinect. http://www.youtube.com/watc... Bet you wish Kinect worked like this: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
you actually had articulated arguments. Now you resort to childish postings of retarded youtube videos that have nothing to do with the intentions of the device you are hating on? Great job. Anyone that makes a shooter for only Kinect, is stupid. Thinking outside the box for new types of experiences will fit the device the best. Just because the Kinect can't do shooters doesn't mean it will fail. My kids love my webcam on the computer, playing simple games. I know they will love the Kinect even more. Hate all you guys want, but just like the Move (which I am getting also) is here to stay, so is the Kinect, deal with it already. All I hear is "wah wah wah," by Sony only butt hurt supporters. I play games to have fun, which is why I own all major game systems and buy and play games for each one of them. They can all live happily under one roof and get along, I don't see why gamers can't.
It's not that it can't do shooters. It's that Kinect dumbs down any game experience, and limits players to what is possible, without the array of button functionality. It's ironic because I remember people saying: "Imagine the possibilities of Kinect and with its games!". But you try and implement them with the current technology, and it's just not possible without compimise. You can make a decent game for Kinect, but it would be so much better played with a controller. More options, more feedback, more accuracy. Better game. And if the simple, watered-down Kinect games don't bother you, maybe the price of the device should?
i have hit a wall with this motion control war crap. Kinect is not a motion controller. its interactive gaming. Thats what it is. And yes i know you control your character and what ever else you interact with but please stop calling it a motion controller. Dont get me wrong i still dont like Kinect its not really anything to write home about. pc and playstation already did this. and i don't believe Kinect will survive hardcore gaming with out a peripherals add-on
sony made a smart move by making sure move supported hardcore gaming. I can't wait to get my hands on the move. KZ3 comes out on the exact day of my birthday so ill be getting move then. kinect is looking pretty dry right now. nothing I wanna buy for it. hope gears 3 will be compatible with it.
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