Pre-order sales for Microsoft Corp.'s Kinect hardware for Xbox 360 increased this week post a giveaway of the hardware on The Oprah Winfrey Show.
They're going to be very disappointed when they find out its sold out everywhere.
But only as half dissapointed who buy it and one week later don't play it.
Even if it totally sells out everywhere.. Microsoft and Sony are still going to have the same problem Nintendo had with the Wii - people may buy it but they're not buying the software to go with it.. A casual market is just that - casual. They're not buying games month after month - they buy when it suits them NOT you. They don't give a shit about your bottom line.. for fill their casual gaming needs with junk or they'll take their casual dollars elsewhere.
Because even if you buy the move all your regular titles you play will automatically support Move not just the Move "ONLY" titles like sorcery. Even past titles are already supported by Move like MAG/RE5/HeavyRain
That is why Wii Fit sold 22+ million copies. That is more than any multi-platform or exclusive game this generation! To add insul to injury, Wii Fit retailed at $99!
Yeah, I thought Kinect was sold out everywhere and back ordered for 3 years due to it's insane popularity? Preorders are meaningless. There's no accurate way to gauge how many preorders are out there, what initial stock is going to be like or even how many of those preorders will translate into a sale. However that's the way of punchjump. Post an article about Amazon or Toy's are us charts, then throw in 17-20 links trying to sell something. I don't know how this spam is still getting approved. There's never anything of substance to these "articles".
The Kinect train has started I think it is going to sell a lot better than this site thinks it will.
I don't think people are saying it won't sell well, I think with such a massive marketing budget it can only sell well - it's what happens after those sales. Not that it matters to msft, they can boast about 10 millions sales regardless of whether people still play it or not.
I think it will sell VERY well, but briefly. Again, no amount of marketing can combat consumer backlash if the games suck.
The release games are shitty for hardcore gamers, but are exactly the type of games the casual market will eat up. The Kinect lag won't matter either to the casual market. Just look at how bad the WiiMote was and still is. I think Kinect will sell well for a while. The casual market is completely different from the hardcore market.
What casual that does not own a 360 will buy a 360 and this to play??
@Keith A lot of owners of a 360 with small children will jump on the kinect, I even got to admit they will give them a great present. But for a parent to invest in 1) 360 2) kinect 3) games might be a to expensive compared to a Wii. And no, they won't buy a PS3 either.
I agree that Kinect is going to sell pretty well. Among casuals, not core gamers.
Look how much Microsoft are spending to Market this. $500,000,000. of course it's going to sell. What most people talk about on here is whether it will be relevant to real gamers. Because look at the games. Theyre just very basic casual games, nothing for the hardcore. So what if it sells Alot? If it doesn't offer YOU anything then why should you be happy if it sells alot? You should be more concerned that Microsoft is forgetting to bring you guys exclusive hardcore games. It honestly puzzles me when I see some 360 fans jumping for joy with how well kinect will sell, because don't they realise that if it explodes then this is their future for the next few years? People rag on move but it HAS games that interest me very much so, and what's more I know Sony will continue to give me a ton of real AAA exclusive games like the last guardian and uncharted 3 and so on. Let's see how well kinect sells across the world first though. America is the most publicised Market, it doesn't mean it's the world
Translation, I'll ignore everything and anything that does not further my blinded agenda. Microsoft announced 5 hardcore games at TGS but everybody has decided to turn a blind eye so that they can get to say retarded things like this shadow flare character. Rise of Nightmare Haunt Project Draco Codename D Steel Battlion. All hardcore games and yet you ignore them cos they prove you wrong. I wish this site had some sort of filter that blocked off spiteful remarks like these from the informative comments
Right, I don't recall seeing a single thing of those games yet but whatever, we'll see how hardcore they are when we actually see something. When i said "nothing hardcore" i was refering to the launch titles. Unless you've seen something I haven't. Every single title is basic and casual. I was trying to be reasonable with my last comment but whatever. Enjoy your future years with kinect mate. I'm sure you're pissing your pants with excitement for it. Or it's sales more likely.
"When i said "nothing hardcore" i was refering to the launch titles" So its just like Move then, no hardcore titles at launch. The only difference is Kinect has hardcore titles in development while Move doesn't, and I'm talking about hardcore titles that work exclusively for Move. Apart from Sorcery there is nothing.
Give me one good reason why it MUST be a move exclusive game? How does that affect anything? Just so you can narrow down the choices? If it works well with move, that's all that matters. What a pathetic line of reasoning R.U.S.E Its a game I bought for move and move improves it brilliantly over the dualshock because for once, on a console it's like controlling an R.T.S game with a mouse. It's brilliant and a very worthy hardcore launch game. Or are you going to discount that cos it's not exclusive? Aawww. Pathetic. MAG and Heavy Rain can also be used as well as tiger woods golf, Hustle Kings, and I'm waiting for echochrome ii, a demo was available at launch and it's excellent. And in the future we have titles like killzone 3 and Littlebigplanet 2, and 40 third party studios are said to be working with Move for future games You're turn. What's kinect got at launch? You can include a non-exclusive kinect game if you want. A games a game after all
"Microsoft announced 5 hardcore games at TGS but everybody has decided to turn a blind eye so that they can get to say retarded things like this shadow flare character." "Microsoft announced" "announced" There wasn't any gameplay videos, just announcements. You might as well say we should believe off on their words. Announcements to actual release can still go VERY sour. Also on a side note, Steel Battalion goes from having it's OWN UNIQUE controller, to none at all. How in the world would you expect me to believe that it's going to be any more hardcore than it was normally?
It's cool to get excited about games that are announced. I'm still trying to figure out why games that are announced for Kinect are worth getting excited about. We know what the Kinect can do with its current hardware. Would you get excited about a new $50 game developed by Bungie using Lincoln Logs? The games that were announced are unknown. We don't know if they're hardcore, casual, or a mix thereof. Looking at the current ideas and tech demos SHOWN from the Kinect, I would say that Kinect buyers that hope for hardcore games would be lucky to get a semi-responsive Time Crisis game. There is no reason to get excited about that.
They announced and showed some videos so do not try and be smart. What have we seen from Agent??? Nothing, yet everybody loves it because it is a ps3 exclusive even though it has zero gameplay that we've seen so far. Those games come from some talented japanese developers but I suppose that only matters when they are making ps3 games only right? @shadow flare, what good is Move if i cannot (at launch) have UNIQUE hardcore games? What hardcore-Move only games does Move have? Games that cannot be played with a DS3? I mean as a hardcore gamer shadow flare, did you buy Move just so you could play games you already played with a DS3? I hate mud slinging, all I'm saying is you people ALWAYS find something to complain about when Microsoft is concerned. You said no hardcore games, I gave you hardcore games. Then you claim you meant at launch and yet Move does not play any unique hardcore games at launch. Then you also claim to have not seen anything about the games and when they finaly do show stuff you'll find something else to complain about. It's getting annoying.
Come off it mate. It was people like you that were predicting Kinect would flop at the first hurdle. Instead of trying to come up with new reasons to diss Kinect, how about just not commenting on any Kinect articles?
I looked at the "hardcore" trailers: Rise of Nightmare: 55secs, not a single second of gameplay Haunt: 57secs (GT), no gameplay, looks childish Project Draco: 52secs (TGS), no gameplay, promising movie, might be something Codename D: 1m, wtf was that ? Steel Battlion: 1m39, no gameplay, nice graphics, great trailer But... not a single trailer showed the controls, I can't even imagine how the gameplay is gonna be and WHY you should play these games without an accurate controller. When I see the trailer, I would like Steel Battalion on my PS3 but with the Dualshock, thank you Capcom for porting it with normal controls!
There is a part of me that wants Kinect to fail. And there's a part of me that wants it to succeed. However, with all that I'm seeing, Kinect is all hat and no cattle. Very much flash, but very little substance. And I'm still waiting for someone to prove me wrong. Perhaps Steel Battalion will do it.
Here's my thing: what sounds more fun and immersive? Playing a mech game with awesome controls you can actually feel? Or moving your hands through empty air? Much like the EyeToy, Kinect is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist, at least for this kind of thing. As an menu interface it might be kinda cool...but who wants to spend $150 for that?
*Vomits*. You failed when you said "there's a part of me that wants it to succeed".
It will be Kinect and the PS Move battling it out.
Sales wise Wii already won the first gen motion controller console war. MS and Sony can only battle out for second position and the quality crown. Wii already has the sales crown, Move has the quality crown. Kinect has the marketing crown.
Desperate Fat Housewives
that stands for DESPERATE IMMATURE TROLL.Have a nice day.
That my friends is the power of the "O".
Who was the Dbag on these boards who said Oprah was irrelevant again? Love or hate Kinect... you can't deny MS is being pretty brilliant with their marketing campaign for this device.
Yeah it really is a housewives thing.
And those housewives spend money. Just look at the Wii Edit below: Hello. This is a business. Oh I forgot. This is N4G.COM... Dude. MS plan from the onset was to get market-share from Nintendo. The people who play "Sales" are the very corporations that sell these systems and make the games. Sony does the same. Nintendo the same. I am not buying Kinect as the games do not appeal to me in the slightest, but the strategy for Kinect was always the Wii demographic. I own all 3 systems and PC so I am not locked in to one gaming system if one system decides to shift from my gaming taste. I find the people hating on this big time are people who do not own a Xbox360 OR only OWN a Xbox360. I suggest people WHO call themselves hardcore gamers to save up and buy at least two gaming systems.... If anyone on this site figured that Kinect would focus mostly on Hardcore games, I have swamp land in Florida for you.
Those housewives don't make hardcore video games. Until they do, they don't matter to me. For those of you that play "Sales: The Game", carry on.
Those housewives will also need to buy an Xbox to use their kinect.
My sister the housewive, got a Wii for her 3 children (all boys). NO WAY she is ever gonna spend money on a console again. "If they want a 360 or PS3, they will have to earn it themselves." My other sister's eldest (7years) could also have a Wii if he wanted but one saterday he stood at my door asking if he could buy my old PS2 to play Spiderman on it. And that's the reality, you can't keep fooling kids forever...
MS pushing so desperately hard for the shovel ware loving casuals, is like pulling the trigger on the 360. The Xbox history which was an up hill battle but won the hearts of many, is about to go down in flames. The second Kinect goes on sale, MS direction will change forever. Gears 3 could possibly be the last 360 title I'll buy. Its the sad truth, if Kinect is a huge hit, then expect nothing but shovel ware. The casuals with open wallets greatly out way the too picky hardcore, gotta have 9.6 or higher for me to buy group. but like always, just my 2 cents.
Although it will suck to see the decline of Xbox hardcore gaming if this succeeds, I'm not sure that I can really blame MS for going with what makes them the most money. We all know what the casual market can do in comparison to the hardcore market in terms of sales and money. It was proven by the Wii this generation. I am going to be upset because there won't be hardcore support for the 360 or future xbox, but I really cannot get mad that MS is trying to do what companies usually do...make money.
Kinect is for casuals, period. I don't want to spend my time waving my arms, jumping playing games all day. That goes for Kinect, Move and the Wii. I'll stick to my controller. But this PSA via Opera & Ellen is a major push. Anything Opera touches, the masses will follow up getting. Look how the Soccer Moms go crazy for Kinect......, Hate it or Love it, Kinect is going to sell.
Kinect is going to crush it seems and if that's the case, devs will definitely figure it in their business plan.All this talk of it being rubbish really wont matter at that point as the tech is different enough to be exciting for both devs and gamers- and yes even 'hardcore' It's very easy to slag Kinect based on existing game design concepts but the best games will of course be designed around this tech, not altered because of it It will get a lot of hate no doubt but it's going to crush regardless
it's an article posted by omega4, a known 360 troll, just look at his profile and the number of bubbles, anything insignificant and obvious is news to him as long as it's 360 related
Yet you took your own time to respond. Also, it seems the PS3 fans have LOTS of time available cause all they do is read and respond to Kinect articles. What I love is that the first few posts, on Kinect articles, are from PS3 fans. GT5 can't get here soon enough. Hopefully it will keep PS3 fans busy for atleast 2 days. It seems that's how long my kids played with Move before they got bored.
yes i did take my time to respond because commenting is one of the many wonderful features this site has, good day to you sir. Feel free to look at my profile page and my comments,im unbiased, i just dislike mindless one bubble trolls
Yeah, just like posting articles, which anyone has the right to do.
like it or not: kinect will sold well. this kind of advertising is really important and effective. will kinect works or not is another problem. it got nothing to do with massive marketing like this. kinect now got the attention of oprah and ellen viewers, and thats a lot of moms. and mom is a decision maker. what makes me confuse with lots and lots of artists under sony brand (justin timberlake, incubus to name a few), no one is picked to promote move or other playstation brand. its like the companies under sonys brand does not have connection to each other.
You get a Keenect! And YOU get a Keenect! Thank you from the fine people at XBox! On a side note, kinda odd how there are review blackouts so close to launch after the amount of hype and marketing being poured into this one.
Glad Sony didn't have to go the route m$ is doing. They know it's about the device and its games and not about spending money on celebrities. M$ is desperate for kinect to succeed and it shows.
So when moves goes the way of the eye toy for lack of marketing, maybe you will realize that spending money on marketing in media in a completely media based society isn't being desperate, its being smart. Spending money that you have plenty of to advertise your biggest new product hardly seems desperate. Its also funny that you think Sony doesn't have any sort of urgency to sell Move, but MS does.....
Nope, for Sony it's: - Movie Studio's - Blu-Ray movies - TV - other audio/video - PS3 - Games - More games - Move Seems to be the right order for an electronics company.
@Moentjers yes but how many housewives mom/oprah viewer knows that? thats what marketing is for
Moentjers and MS's biggest prority is Kinect and/or gaming? Not sure what country you live in, but I heard MS also develops some kind of operating system. I don't know..maybe you have heard about it.
Another PS3 real exclusive wnk 2 is on the way and the second game is extremely good
Kinect will sell well. The technology has potential. The target audience is non hardcore or real gamers The launch games are meh. I aint buying one this year, until I can play real games. I have asked this question before... Who over 14 yrs old is really interested in Kinect as it stands now ? I didnt bash kinect in anyway above and might buy one next year when I see a price drop and real games. awaits the flood of 10 yr olds DAs
It's going to sell well and because of this, developers will pump out games for it like crazy. Like the Wii. Now as with systems that sell well, you are going to get large amounts of shovel-ware...but you also get so good games in the mix also. At this point there are no games I would buy, but I am sure down the road there will be some that might make me grab it. Yes, I know....this is N4G.COM and there can be absolutely no games for Kinect or Xbox360 that are good..........
I plan on getting Kinect(I have it pre-ordered via Amazon), and I am not excited for all the mini-games but I am excited for the workout stuff. I will use it primarily just for that and really nothing more until something more hardcore and interesting (hoping Capcom does Steelbattalion well) comes out. So there you go. I am one person older than 14, not a soccer mom, and a hardcore gamer who is interested in Kinect.
and you are exactly the type that MS is targeting to milk money from. MS says thx ! Tip: go to a real gym.
I do hit the gym, I lift 5 days a week in the mornings but want to do something different for my cardio. I will gladly thank MS if Kinect turns into a good alternative for my cardio. Tip: try not to be a Dbag so much and put people down for having interest in a product regardless of what your high & mighty opinion might be.
Don't feed the troll dude they'll come back for more food.However it is nice to see trolls getting some sun light.Hey Moentjers gotta ask you something How is your hometown Trolltopia doing i heard they made some new bridges down there you should check it out.
God, I want Oprah so badly.
i mean with all the campaign of bad things saying against kinect and it will sell as hell. There is something some people not understand is that kinect is made for casual gamers and eventually they will release some staff for hardcore gamers but it is wii market what Microsoft want. Microsoft took a slice of PS market now they want a slice of wii market thats it. Kinect will sell a lot!
I agree and disagree. Kinect is made for casual gamers with the intent to target hardcore gamers as it establishes itself. All game systems and peripherals like this start with an intent to target the causual initially and then hardcore later.
This is getting disturbing given a 56 year old realitive whom has never owned a gaming system in her life suddenly calls me up asking how she can get kinect and an xbox 360. She went to gamestop that night and reserved the 250gb bundle with kinect. Whatever demographic MS is targeting they are acquiring one untapped consummer I know. No telling how many others of the 50+ age group would buy a 360 for kinect.
stereotypes,if oprah tells them to buy a used condom of ebay they would do it
So much for Oprah not being relevant or popular anymore. Microsoft did great promoting kinect on Oprah.
I dont get why why everyone keeps going kinect isnt for a hardcore gamer What is a hardcore gamer..???
"Hardcore gamer" is a misnomer that many opinionated, yet highly self-conscious people use to make themselves feel superior to people who don't waste as much time as they do playing video games. The evidence is all over this thread and many others that have been flowing through as some of these new products launch. The "hardcore" types around here tend to paint the world with their own paintbrush and assert that if people don't feel the way that they do about something, they're obviously wrong. Take Kinect for example. Kinect is generating tremendous buzz, yet the "hardcore" elite are already proclaiming it a failure. And even if it is the hottest thing this holiday and Microsoft sells millions of them, the "hardcore" elite will still say it is a failure. Why? Because they aren't interested in it, and they don't believe that anyone else should be either. It's insanity, actually.
Are the moders on vacation? If this keeps up, can you imagine all the I hate micro for abandoning me posts we will be reading.and how micro just killd gaming and all the other bs sony fanatics in this place will be yelling about Oh and all the. But how can is be my ps3, my ps3 it does thithis and that what's wrong with the world! Lol
What I love is when PS3 fans complain that Sony doesn't do enough advertising, but yet when MS does it its desperate. They make fun of Oprah, but c'mon.. that little annoying black kid for the PSP is ok?
marcus is talking to gamers and telling them to drop those 1 minute crap games of apple and get real games.and that ipod is not a game console or portable without buttons. microsoft is pushing shovelware and everyone knows it.it's why they have kept cameras away at E3.and why no reviewers have kinect games and kits to review.