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5 games that sold less than Enslaved

80,000 units isn’t a lot – but these games bombed even harder… (Xbox 360)

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Quagmire  +   1527d ago
What the hell? What kinda article is this? So what if Enslaved has only sold 80,000 copies, its a much better game thean 80% of the crap we see in stores nowadays.
Biglet  +   1527d ago
Correct. You win at Internet.
Game-ur  +   1527d ago
Castlevania Lords of Shadow sold 150k minus Japan, it was a mistake for Enslaved to go up against it in the same day, I think the 2 would have sold better if they were a month apart.
Army_of_Darkness  +   1527d ago
they shouldn't have released the demo on the ps3.
Cause after I tried it out, I was definitely purchasing Lords of shadow over that crap....

Hmmm... I wonder what ninja theory's excuse will be this time since its not PS3 exclusive?! lol!
Tapey  +   1527d ago | Well said
lol yeah that's really gotta sting. They whined and cried so much about Heavenly Sword even though it sold over a million copies and Sony did a lot to promote the game for them. Now they've gone multiplat and can't even sell 1/10th the amount of copies, well done dumbasses.
LoVeRSaMa  +   1527d ago
I Lol'ed Hard.
When I saw the sales figures for Enslaved...

Shame.
TVippy  +   1527d ago
But
The last time Heavenly Sword sold at least over a million. 80K is not even funny. Namco is gonna sink with such sales.
jjank11  +   1527d ago
haha, I'm not buying that game (or at least at $60) because I'm still angered they did not continue the Heavenly Sword storyline and stick with PS3.

I guess the sales #'s show that Ninja Theory chose the wrong path, especially since Sony was giving them alot of support.
DarkTower805  +   1527d ago
Good news for me,
I'll pick this up at a bargain bin, which sounds like will be right around the corner.
Chubear  +   1527d ago
... UH?
So Lair sold better uh? Wow. First week of Lair Sales was 140k (on one platform) and then the bad press hit hard and trickled it down but hey it still managed to sell over 750k though.

Ironically enough, Lair has about the same or more sales as Alan Wake (750k). If you haven't played Lair go out now and buy the thing. We've seen by now that reviews are full of crap this gen.

It's 10-15 bucks, the cost of a downloadable game and with everyone NOW comfortable with motion control gaming (you have the option of using regular DS3 though), you'll wonder what the hell the big deal was in the first place.

..oh yeah, b4 vgc vermin come in here talking about Lair's sales being only 400k, VGC is crap. They only have sales for a game for 4-5months & for Lair, in NA & JPN only. Unless you believe VGs completely stop selling after 4months :/ If you look at proper sales reports, Lair sold roughly 750k (EU has similar sales # to NA). Don't whine just be better educated :)

but the irony of "the crappiest PS3 exclusive" 1st gen game, out selling "block buster AAA 360 exclusive" and a multiplat game (5th gen games) by developers who cried that their PS3 exclusive only sold 1.5million is side splitting to me XD
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gaffyh  +   1527d ago
Enslaved is actually really good though, I just think they released it as a wrong time. They should have targeted like June/July because they would have had no competition. Enslaved is good (~8), but it isn't better than Castlevania (~9) and on top of that it is a new IP, so they should have gone for the game drought for release.
seann  +   1527d ago
all i can say is that you get what you deserve.
CimmerianDrake  +   1527d ago
I'm ashamed to have to say this but...
Can we expect the same of DmC?

I predict that NT will come out of the woodworks soon, coming up with an excuse as to why Enslaved was outsold by, not only Heavenly Sword (which NT constantly puts down), but also Lords of Shadow.

When will they understand that it's no ones fault but their own? They can't blame the PS3's architecture or userbase, because A)The game is multiplatform, and B)Heavenly Sword outsold it, so that proves PS3 gamers do buy games they feel are worth their money. If anything, Enslaved has shown that both 360 users and PS3 users, largely, didn't want the game. Granted it's still early.

I really hope Capcom takes a look at the HUGE risk they've taken putting NT in charge of DmC with all of their whining, lack of a real portfolio in game production (they made like 2 games so far?), and lack of interest from gamers in a multiplatform game. That's 2 userbases saying "we think there are better games than Enslaved". Who's to say that they won't say "we know there are better games than DmC".

I don't want to play as Dante Antoniades, so I'm likely not going to buy DmC. I may only be one person, but I'm probably not the only one. I didn't buy Enslaved either.
jeseth  +   1527d ago
Too Bad Ninja Theory.
I could go on a serious rant about Ninja Theory but all I can say is Kharma's a bitch!

Heavenly Sword deserved a sequel. The story is excellent and was left in a way where it could be continued.

Now comes Enslaved (which I bought during Toys 'R US's Buy 2 get 1 Free sale last week) which has gone multiplatform after Ninja Theory blamed Sony for whatever they were unhappy about. I mean seriously, Sony promoted HS pretty well, Nariko was easily recognizable and was getting a lot of attention, and the game sold over a million copies. What else do you want from a new IP?

Enslaved, even though it has definately borrowed elements from HS (is Trip Nariko's lost lost sister form the future?, is a really good game. It has a well laid out story, exciting sequences, well designed characters (with stupid names) and enemies, nice graphics, etc. It's all there.

The timing was all wroig for Enslaved and they should have shut their mouths and not whined about HS and PS3. As a new IP it should have been released in July or August, there is just too much competition coming to the market.

With a install base of over 60 million consoles (360/PS3) its incredible this game sold 80K. Hey, what goes around...really goes around. Shoulda kept your mouth shut Ninja Theory and just focused on another great game. Enslaved is great but the masses have spoken.

End rant. LOL.
Gago  +   1527d ago
Enslayed devs: "Story" is more important than "Gameplay"
the game plays itself for you, everything is automatic

no wonder it sold like shit

I had rather get Castlevania and Vanquish (which i did)
Darrius Cole  +   1527d ago
I must get a piece of this action.....(rant incoming)
......

80,000 copies. I don't know where that number comes from, but VG chartz counts 100,000 copies across all platforms. I know VG Chartz is not perfectly accurate but they are the most consistently available source for this type of info. But I digress....

80,000 copies????!!! IS THAT ALL!!

After all that smack-talking about how they couldn't make money from selling 1.5 million copies of Heavenly Sword, Ninja Theory go and make a game that sells less than 100K in its first 3 weeks. Heavenly Sword 2 would have sold 1 million copies in its first week, and probably would have sold around 2 million total. Instead they sell a tiny fraction of that.

I wonder if they made money from selling 100K copies of Enslaved? I wonder if they will tell the truth this time.

It is becoming more and more clear that Ninja Theory is incompetent. The sheer absurdity of the claiming to be unable to profit from selling 1.5 million copies is proof enough. Either they are so incompetent that they grossly overspent on the development, or they are too incompetent to tell a reasonable lie.

Then they (Ninja Theory) chose to ignore the fans who obviously wanted a Heavenly Sword sequel, ignore the better environment for Heavenly Sword's platform (the PS3), and ignore the fact that they already had done the hard part of the work by making a custom engine for the PS3 and NOT make Heavenly Sword 2.

Moreover, they kept talking smack about how bad their experience was with PS3, in spite of the fact that ALL of their current fans were PS3 fans, but not just ordinary PS3 fans. All of Ninja Theory fans were Heavenly Sword fans who bought their PS3's in year 1 and paid $500 or $600 for their PS3. So Ninja Theory fans were a solid vein of the biggest spending fans in console gaming.

Well, not to worry. For now, it is time for Ninja Theory gets to try Devil May Cry. Devil May Cry is such an old and established franchise that they couldn't possibly mess it up. Surely, they couldn't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again. They have to get this one right. Don't they? Don't they?

They changed his hair color? WHAT THE......
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ReservoirDog316  +   1527d ago
Well, +1 once I can afford it next month.
totallysane  +   1526d ago
personally i loved the new castle...i can't wait for the sequel
toaster  +   1527d ago
Nice attempt at stealth trolling, x360magazine...
BillOreilly  +   1527d ago
Man this game was amazing! I cant believe all the hate just because NT went multiplat instead of heavenly sword 2. Get over it! New ip's are good and this one was the sh**. I cant wait for dmc reboot because i love nt and the series was stale as hell with dmc4 being boring as hell. I couldnt even beat it lol. This game has similar platforming to uncharted which everyone praises yet yall despise this games platfoming??? Scripted platforming lol ok guy
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Rainstorm81  +   1526d ago
geno
im sorry Enslaved is mediocre at best, the platforming is nothing like the Uncharted series. On enslaved every thing you can platform on is highlighted and glowing, then its only like 3 footholds til you get where you need to be.

The problem with enslaved is it trys to hard to be like uncharted, but with the limited combo system, the half ass upgrade system, and piss poor controls, it deserved its low sales.

Just because its a New IP doesnt make it a good game my friend.
fishd  +   1527d ago
Enlsave sold only 80K copies? o.O
Are you sh1tting me?

Is that WW or NA only?
MorganX  +   1527d ago
I'm waiting for that too. This appears to be a stealth troll. ENSLAVED is one of the best games to come around in a long time and PS3 fanboys appear to despise Ninja Theory for going multiplat and becuase the game, like most multiplats, looks and performs better on Xbox.

My God, I sound like a fanboy. I'm going to have to avoid N4G for at least a week before I become completely transformed into one of those creatures.
CandyCaptain  +   1527d ago
Morgan....
If that were the only problem, wouldn't it have sold a ton on 360. Have you considered it's just a mediocre game that had a bad release window -_- I mean I think it would've done better for itself had it released b4 Halo Reach, like 2 weeks b4 it at least. As for why it sold bad on Ps3? Well lots of other stuff came out namely Castlevania and PS move along with a ton of move games @_@' Though I do enjoy the story, gameplay lacks in my opinion, that and it has a non-existent replay value atm <.<

*Off to go get candy for the kiddies* ^.^
sikbeta  +   1527d ago
Funny how this guy (morgan) turn this crap into a fanboy-war...

"nah, cuz da sony fanbayz... it's thier faultz...bla..bla"

Unbelievable...
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spandexxking  +   1527d ago
@morgan
as a sony fanboy i didnt care that ninja theory went multiplat. just thought id let you know as you seem to be the michael pachter of sony fanboys.
you do know this info came from an xbox magazine right?
Redempteur  +   1527d ago
@MorganX

Maybe just MAYBE enslaved isn't THAT good ?
Not a fanboy but people can dislike the game or scripted platforming ?
Or not be impressed by the demo.
Or dislike the same combat system over and over with no deep mecanics( no skills required ).

you know having their opinion about the game.
Baka-akaB  +   1527d ago
You are sounding a tad ridiculous with your claim morganX and indeed like a new breed of fanboy : NT theory fanboys , or apologists .

Most people dont give a crap about interview dramas , console wars etc ... They saw material about the game or tried the demo and werent impressed enough to care , especially with packed concurrence , even within the same genre .

And when it comes to people that give a crap , Heavenly was hardly a plebiscit , but a game most forgot and never actually loved that much , at least here . There were only a few posters proclaiming love for the game , before Ninja theory went multiplatform . Hardly a new stance and change as some kind of pseudo backlash for going multi .

Finally Heavenly sword sold (actually very well) as an not awesome but solid LAUNCH title .
What made anyone believe that close to the same experience , arguably better or inferior , would fare that much better , alongside an equally hyped (much better) castlevania , the previously released halo reach , pes/fifa games , and other big games ?

Hack and slash games dont even usually sell gow3 , dmc and as a distant third HS numbers
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mrcash  +   1527d ago
Enslaved looked so much better on the still shots, after playing the demo I lost interest. It seems like a very empty world.
zeddy  +   1527d ago
true i never know why they release games on the same day as others, why not just wait a couple of weeks or a month even when theres nothing coming out.
MorganX  +   1527d ago
I haven't seen sales numbers. But I just bought it last week and I don't buy many disc based games. It's one of the best games I've played and one of the best looking games I've played.

Given the voluminous number of 8+ reviews, someone's buying it and playing it. Not a lot of marketing though. I didn't buy Uncharted 2 until it was out for almost a year so, sometimes it takes time for word to spread expecially with Castlevania and now Kinect coming up during the same time frame.
UltimateIdiot911  +   1527d ago
You like it, that's fine but don't expect everyone else to say it's great.

I've tried the demo, and I thought the control and gameplay was extremely weak. The jumps and reactions were lagging/slow. It did not have the smoothness I got from Uncharted 2 nor was it close to AC2. If we are talking about best looking/best game, that's subject. My personal favorite this generation is Valkyria Chronicles and best looking would be Uncharted 2 for now until GT5 is out.

I too normally don't buy disc based game, the last title I bought at launch date was Heavy Rain and recently the Move but 1 week after launch due to a deal. Now, I buy mostly bargain bin unless I feel like it's a worthy day 1 buy like GT5. So the fact you rarely buy disc games is irrelevant to your argument.

Anyway, Enslaved does not feel like a $60, but more of a $15-$20 title.

I stop caring about reviews since the beginning of this generation especially when GTA4 got 10s all over.
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kneon  +   1527d ago
Not all the reviews are positive

http://n4g.com/news/625531/...

And this was no throwaway half assed review, they may have been a little harsh but they have some valid points that others just glossed over.
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avengers1978  +   1527d ago
Well I do want this game Im just gonna have to wait until the price goes down, and More into the summer time when less is coming out.
I think Enslaved is going to be good, but don't have the Time to really play it right now,
marinelife9  +   1527d ago
I'd love to see the numbers for Heavenly Sword 2 whenever it gets released by a Sony studio for comparison.
TVippy  +   1527d ago
I fucking cannot believe it
I mean I don't like Ninja Theory and all, because I always expect GREAT games from them and they make only GOOD games. But 80k is unbelievable. Only jampacked October can explain this.
jjank11  +   1527d ago
I tend to agree that sales numbers are not always the mark for a good game........BUT it certainly helps.

It might be better than 80% of games out there now but for me, it is probably not better than 10% of the games I own. Although, I have only played the Demo of the game. It failed to capture excitement for me.
raztad  +   1527d ago
Where does that 80K figure come from?

Enslaved was in the top ten of UK chart. Tailing LoS in the PS3 and leading LoS in the xbox.
tacosRcool  +   1527d ago
Proves that they should of stuck as a PS3 exclusive developer. At least Heavenly Sword sold more than a million compared to this
UltimateIdiot911  +   1527d ago
I say it proves that they just got lucky and there weren't a whole lot of competition at the given time. Now that we are so far into this gen, we see more and more good games with better quality.

It's just a sign that says if they fail to keep up with other developers, they are probably not going to make it to next gen.

I personally feel even if they stuck with Sony, Enslaved wouldn't be that much better than it is now.
Gago  +   1527d ago
also: this article is pathetic damage control
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cmrbe  +   1527d ago
Havent play it yet
but i agree. So what if it sold only 80k?. If its a great game and you have it then you should be happy.

Why do x360 media and fans have the need to feel good about games they buy by having it sell truck loads?. It dosen't makes any sense at all.

Last gen a few of us PS fans experience two of some of the greatest expereince in gaming with ICO and SOTC. Both didn't sell more than a million and yet the 3rd game TLG is still one of the more highly anticipated games this gen.

Kids should learn by now. It's never about quantity.
PS360fanboy  +   1527d ago
Poor Ninja Theory...they make good games but the sales are never there...
3nd3rth3  +   1527d ago
HS sales were there.
xTHRASHx  +   1527d ago
Youre right
Enslaved is fantastic, much better than any of the games on that list. I am being serious. Its wonderful. I gave it a 9.6 http://www.hookedgamers.com...
Rainstorm81  +   1526d ago
note to self stay away from hookedgamers.com reviews...........
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xTHRASHx  +   1526d ago
Note to self..
Raiinstorm81 is an idiot.
Rainstorm81  +   1526d ago
Well everyone's entitled to thier own opinion.

....and looking at yours on myself and Enslaved

Your Opinions to me = SHYT
cyberwaffles  +   1527d ago
whats even crazier if you think about is the fact that Heavenly Sword sold over a million copies exclusively for the ps3 when the install base was probably less than half of what it is now (just estimating, not being exact.) enslaved was released as a multiplatform title with 60+ million userbase (360 and ps3, approximate) yet gets abysmal sales?

karma really is a bitch. Ninja theory should've stayed exclusively with sony, or at least made heavenly sword 2 since its a lot more recognizable and HS was a pretty decent success for a launch title.
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Jerkstore81  +   1527d ago
Very true. I think what it comes down to is Ninja Theory to this day STILL whines about their Heavenly Sword sales - a game that came out over three years ago mind you - and has been vocal on pinning blame on the platform they released it on. Now they make a game that's multiplatform and still see weak sales. Makes you question what Ninja Theory has been preaching all these years.
DigitalAnalog  +   1527d ago
Enslaved the PS3 version..
It's disgraceful the way they've handled the port of the PS3 like they were a bunch of "noobs" into gaming foray. The fact that they don't support SURROUND sound on the PS3 (a feature no matter what system was the PS3's MOST DEFINITE ADVANTAGE) because of "poor" choice just sealed the deal preventing me and many others from purchasing this game.

I really hate to say this but NT deserves only this amount of sales. They've pissed off their STRONGEST fanbase (notice how SE did the same), and now the sales have revealed itself. This goes to show that multiplats do NOT indicate stronger sales. There is a difference between "niche" sales and sales in "general". FFXIII would've sold 5 - 7 million on the PS3 alone had Nomura continued to develop on the project.

However, I would still buy this game... USED and on the 360. I don't think they can look at themselves after this and say... "we did good people. We did good."

-End statement
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Darrius Cole  +   1527d ago
I agree the multi-plats do not equal stronger sales. Some games naturally belong one platform or the other because the fanbase naturally prefers that type of game.

Moreover, developers should learn that they should NEVER change a game's platform after they have made the announcement.

Gamers are emotional. The fact is that we all have more games available to us than we can possibly play. If a developer goes out of the way to piss the fans off, the fans will go somewhere else.

I agree that FFXIII would've sold 5-7 million on PS3 alone if it had remained a PS3 exclusive. After all, it got zero PS3 advertising in the west. Not to mention the sheer emotion of created by the way they announced the change to multi-platform development, no doubt cost a lot of PS3 sales.

Ninja Theory's constant smack-talking shot them in the foot. Pissing off one set of fans doesn't automatically make another set of fans love you.
roguewarrior  +   1526d ago
i agree
but i just want to point out, that the PS3 game does support uncompressed LPCM 5.1 over the HDMI port, but no surround sound if you have your console attached to the amp with Toslink(optical), which many people do(im running both A/V through HDMI, so doesn't affect me). Still Dolby Dig. should be mandatory, cant imagine what NT was thinking.
cyberwaffles  +   1526d ago
no surround sound? thats an immediately red flag in my book. thats easily my favorite feature about the ps3 over my 360. shit, i sometimes i use my ps3 just for music because the quality is so good instead of the 360's in-game music.

and thats another thing. i bought my new 360 slim about a month ago and theres a few things that i'm dissapointed with. for one, why can't i split the composite cable lines? is microsoft trying to force me to buy an optical cable or HDMI (now that i think about it, i don't think it has HDMI either!) and what the fuck is up with the HDD? i know this has to be a microsoft sales tactic because their propietary HDD are nothing but a huge rip off. the SATA HDDs are the only way to go and yet MS pulls some bullshit like that. so pissed off about that.

other than that, ME2 is a fucking BLAST!
TheDude2dot0  +   1527d ago
Did they forget about Rock Revolution? It sold only 3,000 copies in a month
NewZealander  +   1526d ago
its a great game, but i put off buying it for a few weeks, looks like ill wait a little bit longer now, this is sure to hit the bargain bin soon!
visualb  +   1526d ago
now will Ninja Theory stop b!tching about Heavenly Sword sales?
I think so.

shame though, enslaved looked great =|
vhero  +   1526d ago
I guess thats the last time they decide to slag ps3 and go mutliplatform again eh? It really doesn't work out for all developers.. A no name action game on the 360 and they expected it to sell well... Oh dear..
ElementX  +   1527d ago
Pointless "article". They compare Enslaved with an 80 something score to a bunch of 40 point average titles like they're even in the same league. The site doesn't even state the source of their sales numbers.
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TheLastGuardian  +   1527d ago
How Come Ninety Nine Nights II didn't sell? It's an EXTREEM hack and srash title.
vhero  +   1526d ago
because like its prequels it blows! I had the original for my 360 and it was terrible the idea is great but the devs cannot do it right.
big_silky  +   1527d ago
the difference is that those games sold poorly because they're shit, enslaved is a good game that's wasted on the piss poor taste of modern gamers. they'd rather drool like waterheads while playing medal of honor than give something different a shot.
HolyOrangeCows  +   1527d ago
"enslaved is a good game that's wasted on the piss poor taste of modern gamers"

.....I don't know about that. The game plays itself in platforming and the combat isn't interesting. A gamer with taste, modern or not, has full right not to be a fan.
FunAndGun  +   1527d ago
"The game plays itself in platforming and the combat isn't interesting."

That was my problem. All I did was point in a direction and hit X, X, X,...It just wasn't very fun.
nnotdead  +   1527d ago
agree. thats the feeling i came away with from the demo. still, i do want to have a play through, because the story and acting is where Ninja Theory really get things right.

can't help but think this as some sort of karma(silly i know). i don't want them or this game to fail, but all the Sony bashing and complaining about HS sales kind of got on my nerves.

i still think its video game pricing that hurts tittles like Enslaved. $60+ for one game is a pretty big investment for a lot of people, so they tend to stick with what they know. people know they like Halo, COD, GT, MGS, Final Fantasy, etc, so why risk all that money on a game they may not even like. especially when big publishers like EA and Activision have made everything into a yearly franchise. people know games they enjoy are only around the corner each year, so why and take a chance on games like Enslaved.

now if the average game was half the price they are now (what i think is more of an impulse price range) i believe more of the small to medium sized games would receive much better sales. the problem is the bigger tittles wouldn't get that much more. you also have the problem of who makes the first effort. you don't want your game to look like a budget tittle, so companys would have to do on a game that has selling potential, but again how much of a sales increase would actually come from the cheaper price?
DOMination  +   1527d ago
Also, the developers are mouthy, arrogant tw@s
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Raendom  +   1527d ago
There's nothing different about Enslaved. It also couldn't have come at a worse time, with Castlevania LoS the same week which was effectively the same genre of game, with so much more hype.
AKS  +   1527d ago
I own both games, and Enslaved and LoS are very different experiences. Both were wonderful games, though.
MorganX  +   1527d ago
^^^ Same here. I got ENSLAVED second and I have to say, I haven't played Castlevania since I got it. I will finish Castlevania, it's excellent. But ENSLAVED is captivating. With each chapter I want to keep going.

I didn't think I'd like the combat after the Demo, but yaay, you can shoot with the staff. It's also more strategy obviously, figuring out how to beat the mechs based on their position, condition and your available ammo. Really nice, I love it. Demo has to be the worst showcase in history. It's nothing like the actual game experience.

If you like the story, check out the B Sci-Fi flick Downstream. Warning, it's R-rated. Enslaved has better acting, but I think you'll like it if you like Enslaved.
mastiffchild  +   1527d ago
No, worst two demos showcases were for Sega games:1, Valkyria Chronicles-great game with a demo that put nearly everyone who played it off the final release, awful job and, 2, Sonic Unleashed-no mention at all of the sodding Werehog in the demo and only showed the good speedy platforming, classic Sonic parts. Very misleading on both counts.

Enslaved, on the othger hand, while I like it remains a game where the story is a lot more important than most gameplay mechanics so won't appeal all round. Lovers of GOW or Bayo/DMC style games will find the combat a bit shallow at a guess(I like the game myself)and the platforming is just pants. It's got a generous Metacritic as I'd give it a 7/1-0 myself but if you like cinematic stories in your games it's still a good un. IOn terms of combat and game play I'd say HS was the better, deeper NT game and, in fact, was another game with a crappy demo that put people off cos they never told you where the depth in the combat was or even fully explained the colour system. D'oh!
AKS  +   1527d ago
Dead Space had to have one of the worst demos ever, much worse than the demos of Enslaved or LoS.
DemiseofPandas  +   1527d ago
@AKS Yeah I absolutely hated the dead space demo. Wasn't until a long time later when I picked it up for $7 that my mind was changed, that was one of the best $7 I ever spent, and now can't wait for Dead Space 2.
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Solidus187-SCMilk  +   1527d ago
maybe you have piss poor taste if you think enslaved is worth 60$????
I havent played it but saying people have "piss poor taste" because they didnt buy an OK game is kind of funny. There are actually ALOT OF GAMES THAT ARE BETTER THAN ENSLAVED that struggle to sell too.

I didnt buy MOH or Enslaved, because there are shit tons of BETTER videogames to spend my money on, IMO of course.

Im just sick of people complaining about sales saying people have bad taste. Buy the games you like, look at sales for fun, and dont let the sand settle in your vagina when the game you like doesnt put up big numbers.
AKS  +   1527d ago
How do you know other games are so much better if you'd never played through Enslaved or MoH? Do you sincerely feel you know what you're talking about here?

And yes, Enslaved was well worth buying for me.
Solidus187-SCMilk  +   1527d ago
Uhh I said "my money" and IMO
I know what games I like and would pay 60$ for.

Im not saying enslaved isnt worth the money, just using the original poster's logic against him. He says people have "piss poor taste" because they dont buy the same games as him, so using his own logic I can say that he might have "piss poor taste" because he has different tastes than me. Notice the ???

Get it? I told him to stop caring about what others buy, because there are alot of great games that dont sell that great.

I'm sorry you didn't understand my comment. But if you read his comment, then my first one it makes more sense. Im not putting down your precious enslaved.
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JohnnyMann420  +   1527d ago
Uhh how about the game holds your hand and it is just an intriguing story. Something different? What is different about this or any other game for that matter. Just because you like it doesn't mean everyone will. I can say though, that i enjoyed what I played at my brothers house, but nothing stood out as a must perchase.
cyberwaffles  +   1527d ago
i don't know. i heard the game pretty much holds your hand all the way through and there is no sense of caution because of that. i've noticed games that focus primarily on a single player experience tend to be more fun when there is actual progression, variety, and challenge involved. enslaved seems too one dimensional and just relies on the story and set pieces to drive the game, but thats almost akin to an on-rails shooter.
knifefight  +   1527d ago
"80,000 units isn’t a lot"

Yes it is.
Dragonfodder  +   1527d ago
Agreed. At the very least, I'd say it's pretty good for a new IP, no? Especially since it's not an FPS.
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seinfan  +   1527d ago
More than likely, the company hasn't broke even with those sales figures.
CandyCaptain  +   1527d ago
Yea....
There's no way in heck they could have with that amount....

*Gets off to go look for some kiddies*
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seann  +   1527d ago
this could mean, capcom could kick the dmc reboot, since their games makes no money.
Nicaragua  +   1527d ago
@knifefight
Maybe in terms of Mars bars consumed in one day but in terms of game sales figures then its really not.
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knifefight  +   1527d ago
Disagree if you like, but if a publisher generally sells like 20,000, they've made money. Atlus will localize things expecting to sell "only" 25,000 units.
http://n4g.com/news/631204/...

It was neat to see games shatter that, but the point is, a publisher will still go to the trouble of putting it out, because there is reason to believe they'll make money selling 20,000 or 30,000. 80,000 ain't bad at all.
BigPenguin  +   1526d ago
Publisher =/= developer.
kasasensei  +   1527d ago
Bad timing for Enslaved, i guess. :/
TvojVrah  +   1527d ago
Ninja Theory, you should stay with ps3 only... you will have a least 100K...
BeaArthur  +   1527d ago
Good logic there. Let's make our game only available on 1 platform, that will increase sales.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   1527d ago
going multiplat isn't helping them lol
HS sold like 1.5million copies on ps3 they bitch and complained and now look @ them 80k units in three weeks is a flop.now who are they going to blame?...
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Solidus187-SCMilk  +   1527d ago
HS was THE first worth while game on PS3 for the most part
If HS hadnt come out back in the early days of PS3 it would have flopped I bet.
BeaArthur  +   1527d ago
xXxSeTTriPxXx...HS sold 1.5 because it was one of the few titles worth playing on the PS3 at that time. You make the mistake of assuming that somehow exclusives make the game better. It's not like PS3 owners sat around thinking "well if it had been a PS3 title I would have bought it, but since they went multiplatform I'm boycotting". Face the truth, it's a short game, released in a bad window and this is the price it's paying.
MorganX  +   1527d ago
If 100k is OK as you say, then 80K is OK given the stiff competition at the moment.
oilahize  +   1527d ago
They should have pushed harder for a Heavenly Sword sequel.
sikbeta  +   1527d ago
They were whining a LOT with HS and the poor sales and yada yada... then they started this new project and keep whining about HS and the poor sales, then they went into the hyping with stuff like, "it'll be as good as UC2 in terms of graphics" while keep whining about HS and the poor sales, now the game is out, but is not selling well and I want to know if they'll start to whine about Enslaved and the poor sales...
cyberwaffles  +   1527d ago
definitely. heavenly sword 2 would've garnered more attention just because of its successor. kind of like the unchared series.
floetry101  +   1527d ago
This is like a big f**k you to Ninja Theory when they constantly complained about Heavenly Sword not selling well.

The game is great, but they sure did bite off more than they could chew.
Pennywise  +   1527d ago
They thought being multiplatform would get them more sales.

Their constant trash talking of Heavenly Sword and the PS3 didn't help them. The timing of their release didn't help sales either. And personally, I will NEVER buy another Unreal Engine 3 game.

Karma is a funny thing and I think a nice helping was just served to Ninja Theory.
fucadastates  +   1527d ago
well make HS2 and i will buy it, until they stop crying about sales on hs i will not buy one of there games
jack_burt0n  +   1527d ago
shows you how out of touch a developer can be from its fanbase, this isn't the first time this happened and it wont be the last.

marketing and hype can only go so far, the hardcore 2 million fans of halo keep that franchise ticking and its the same for god of war, gears, uncharted you dont just suddenly turn round and say "hey, you suck" to ur fans unless u want to sell 80k copies across both platforms.
Army_of_Darkness  +   1527d ago
F#@K Ninja Theory!!...
I want santa monica studios to make heavenly sword 2:)
AKS  +   1527d ago
You are going to miss out on some exceptional games by shunning the UE3. I'm not a great fan of the engine, but really talented developers have done great things with it, such as Mass Effect 2, Borderlands, Mirror's Edge, Gears, and Arkham Asylum.
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Pennywise  +   1527d ago
I didn't say I wouldn't play those games. I will play ME2 and Batman... but I won't buy them. Just my choice. I think it is a shame they both use that engine, but I am just sick of it.
nilamo  +   1527d ago
Soon, it's only a matter of time before we see the death of high budget new IP's.
gypsygib  +   1527d ago
So sad but it's a bit of a Catch 22 - they can't risk spending tonnes of money on a new IP, but if not enough is spent the games are somewhat lacking - largely length/replay value - resulting in mediocre sales.

Red Dead was a new IP that sold really well but they spent 100 mill on it and the game has a tonne of replay value. Enslaved and Vanquish probably had budgets on the small side and won't sell that well.
PirateThom  +   1527d ago
Red Dead Redemption?

It was a sequel to Red Dead Revolver.
lodossrage  +   1527d ago
Ya bro
Piratethom is right on that one, Read dead isn't a new IP
gypsygib  +   1527d ago
@ Pirate Thom. It was a sequel in only in name only. I wouldn't even call it a spiritual successor as the games are entirely different. It would be like calling Halo Wars a sequel.
lodossrage  +   1526d ago
It's not a sequel true
But it's not a new IP either. And it's not a new IP because it shares the Read Dead name.

That would be like saying almost every final fantasy game made is a new IP because it's not a sequel
KING85  +   1527d ago
One asked who cares if it sells 80k units. As consumers we may not care, but obviously the developers do. They have to make a profit and realistically 80k is not cutting it if that is the actual amount it has sold. Give it time and we shall see how much legs it has.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   1527d ago
80k in three weeks
shows their is no demand, what so ever for your game.they need to drop the price and hope gamers take notice because this is a epic flop for them.and after all that bitching they did.i bet that 1.5million units they sold as an exculsive is looking real good right now roflmfao..
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carreirabr  +   1527d ago
Any bets on NT's DMC reboot sales? Just asking...
fucadastates  +   1527d ago
hoping for low sales
KING85  +   1527d ago
Why are you wishing bad will on someone? Is it because of their remarks about Heavenly Sword's sales? Or is it because you have some other underlying reason(s). If their remarks are the reason for your negative remarks towards them, remember that those who wish bad on others surely cannot expect to have the opposite returned to them. I did not appreciate their statements either, but considering the initial install base, Heavenly Sword did considerably well. Let's not make things personal, because in the end we gain nothing in seeing others suffer. Unless some get their joy from that kind of life.
MorganX  +   1527d ago
fucadastates
I hope you get your wish. I think Ninja Theory is the single best game developer out there. Given Heavenly Sword and Ninja Theory. I would love nothing more than for them to go Xbox exclusive. Please keep childishly hating on them for some mentally defective reason. Maybe it will happen.
WLPowell  +   1527d ago
@MorganX
You realise that at that point you'll probably be the only one buying the game, right? Their games seem to be going downhill in the quality. HS, better than Enslaved, Enslaved, looks to be better than the fail that is DMC.

My suggestion is they make nice with Sony, talk with better devs on how to make a game, start developing HS2 and STFU! let the game do the talking and happily take what they get (especially if it's 1.5 million)

@bmw69: 80,000... remember based on Move's NA numbers 300,000 is considered flop by N4G/Pachter standards.
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gypsygib  +   1527d ago
I bet the new DMC will sell better than Enslaved - it has a recognizable name, although the new look may have alienated long term fans but could also bring in new ones.

Overall though, I don't think that genre of games is that popular anymore, or at least not like in the PS2 era - they're going to have to do something the make it really innovative - maybe like more of a 3PS view and a deep control scheme that's not a memory test.
bakagaijin78  +   1527d ago
At least NT can't complain that the low sales are due to it being a console exclusive.
bmw69  +   1527d ago
It has only been out a couple of weeks!
seann  +   1527d ago
if it doesnt sell a lot in those "couple of weeks" it certainly is not going to be selling in the next few months.
MarcusGv  +   1527d ago
It's a really good game but I understand why it didn't sell well. Normally I would rent a game like this because once it's done, it's done. I bought the game to show support for the developer.

Personally, I don't see much of a future for purely single player action games because it makes more sense to rent rather that buy. Adding coop elements is the way forward, not tacking on a crappy multiplayer.
Antan  +   1527d ago
Dreadful amount. Wages alone for a studio of NT's size (not including external contractors) will be .......considerable. And remember, the price the game sells to distributors is split up between various companies (publishers, disc pressing plants etc etc). Needs to sell many MANY more just to break even.
IronmanRR  +   1527d ago
Predictable
Wonder what will happen with DMC going NT...
Capcom will cry for DMC4 sales-numbers.
bananlol  +   1527d ago
I kow this is a bit ot but does aneybody know a good site to check sales numbers of individiual titles?
OmegaSlayer  +   1527d ago
How many DMC fans did buy the game?
divideby0  +   1527d ago
after I played the demo, I just didnt see what many thought about this game. I liked HS better, but once again only played the demo..
C0MPUT3R  +   1527d ago
It didn't sell well because...
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1. They pissed off their fanbase on PS3 so they aren't buying.
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2. It's not a shooter for 360. (It's all about Halo & CoD.)
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Two weeks in and its not looking good for NT. Enslaved is going to get buried under the avalanche of releases coming this holiday and into 2011. The game would of sold better if it would have been released this July or August. Now it will be lucky to move 500K. Less than 1/2 of what their PS3 exclusive title Heavenly Sword sold. FAIL.
CombineElite  +   1527d ago
Let's be serious and not sugar coat the situation.
..
Enslaved is an average game at best and that's bad for a new IP. They would of sold 3 million easy if it was named Heavenly Sword 2 which by the way is what PS3 gamers want.

80K on multi-platform is FAIL and with the big name titles coming out in the next few months Enslaved will be forgotten really quick. May I suggest a PC port if you want to reach 200K in sales.

Now if I'm Sony who did all they could for Heavenly Sword which by the way sold 1.5 million on a $600 console but had to endure listening to Ninja Theory bad mouth Sony in interviews.

If I'm Sony do you think I let Ninja Theory do Heavenly Sword 2? NOPE I laugh and say here Santa Monica here's your reward for loyalty make HS2 for us. Ninja Theory has dug their own grave. They should have stuck with Sony.

Luckily I'm not Sony and NT may get lucky and Sony will work something out with them.
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3nd3rth3  +   1527d ago
Who knows?
Maybe they are counting on Capcom money with DmC now. Wonder if anything will change within their contract. They are pretty stuck up at NT, so I'm sure they won't listen, again, and keep the Danteen Antoniades they have now.
Holeran  +   1527d ago
Yep if they would of kept their mouths shut about only selling 1.5 million copies on PS3 they could of done Heavenly Sword 2 and done at a minimum 3 million copies, I think it would be considerably higher though. Instead lets put out a meh at best multiplatform title and choke on the terrible sales. Dumb. I bet they are wishing they could of done 1.5 million on Enslaved right about now.
Blaster_Master  +   1527d ago
AS much as I hate to say this, it would have sold at least 750,000 if it was a ps3 exclusive that would have taken advantage of the cell like Heavenly Sword did. Here's a fact, Xbox 360 owners only play sports games and shooters. I have no doubt in my mind Kinect is gonna be an utter failure either.
Djinn  +   1527d ago
I hope this doesn't stop NT from making new and interesting ips like HS and Enslaved. The games they make are just so much better in concept and story than crap like Cod or medal of honor or asscreed. I just don't understand how people can buy and play only shooters. Don't you idiots get tired of playing only on genre? I will continue to support Ninja Theory no matter what they do.
Holeran  +   1527d ago
Did you just call everyone idiots?
Solidus187-SCMilk  +   1527d ago
dont you ever get tired of complaining about what others buy
FPS are my favorite games since 1992, but that has nothing to do with me not buying enslaved.

I bought castlevania LOS and bought GOW3 earlier this year. Both these games seemed like a better purchase to me.

I dont see how not buying the average enslaved means people only play FPS. Fact is, there are alot of better games than enslaved right now, including castlevania which is in the same genre.
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Baka-akaB  +   1527d ago
@Djinn

I dont care much about current shooters , and probably share your feelings about them ...
However i find your comment ironic ... NT's story and design are indeed good , but in a genre where gameplay actually matter , any other hack and slash franchises easily wipe the floor with their rather generic mechanics .
jjank11  +   1527d ago
I'm gonna give you an agree on this one even though I don't like the whole idiots comment.

Too many people just blindly play COD and don't give other games (even just other FPS games) a chance. COD is not really even that good.

Right now i'm playing through Bayonetta. That game is simply the bees-knees.
Then I still have an unopened copy of Castlevania and Vanquish to play through and then since it is Halloween time, I break out some horror titles and will probably play Amnesia The Dark Descent.

Oh and since i'm an idiot, I do play MoH and BC2.

But i'm not buying Enslaved at any price point over $30 because they trashed on Heavenly Sword, which was an awesome experience. I'm still hoping Heavenly Sword 2 gets made.
OmegaSlayer  +   1526d ago
Actually games are meant to be played and the gameplay of Enslaved is clunky and lame.
I like everything else in the game, but combat and platforming (relevant aspects in an action game) are utter poo.
Please go play Castlevania, Bayonetta, Uncharted or even Devil May Cry 4 and understand how controlling a character must be.
Troll_Police  +   1527d ago
I bet they'll never complain about those 1.5 million sales of Heavenly Sword again. Can't blame the PS3 this time so who are you going to blame?
seann  +   1527d ago
i blame lack of advertising. i only heard about this game on n4g. no where els. was i supposed to be looking for the odd poster or advert?
floetry101  +   1527d ago
Three weeks is a long time for a multi-plat to be out and 80k is ABSOLUTELY atrocious. It's not in any conceivable way a good number. I remember when Alan Wake sold some 200k in it's first two weeks, and even that was very, very poor. This however, is a disaster.
Holeran  +   1527d ago
Notch it up to crappy game play. When you have a game that you just have to basically be pointing the character in a general direction and they reach their target everytime it gets boreing fast, just as the demo did. they should of never put that type of gameplay in it. They wanted to get a Uncharted feel for it but they went the safest route, make it playable for everyone (that killed it for alot of gamers). Alot of similar platforming in these 2 games but in Uncharted you still failed quite a bit, not this game. Core gamers don't want an easy I win game.
Makidian  +   1527d ago
First, the game never should have released next to Castlevania. Second, it should have come out in te winter or summer when there aren't tons of great games with names that people buy all around it. Third, Ninja Theory should keep their mouths shut because if they didn't talk like douchey, uppity assholes who think they make the greatest games in the world that blame their failures on everyone but themselves they may have more goodwill with gamers.

If this game fails to break 100k in NA they will blame NB and try and find a pub for their next game and when that game bombs they should disappear forever. I don't think they were ever pissed about the commercial failure of Heavenly Sword as much as they may have wanted to get bought by Sony and Sony wouldn't bite. They have been a financial catastrophe since they formed and they pass the buck every chance they get.
Malice-Flare  +   1526d ago
heh, Castlevania had an advantage...
Castlevania had Hideo Kojima's name attached to it...
Swiftfox  +   1527d ago
The game was released up against Lord Of Shadows and Medal of Honor with no adds and no publicity other than a handfull of reviews.

Being a different experience doesn't mean a bad game. These sales don't mean it's a bad game, just badly timed. That in itself is more Namco's fault than Ninja Theory's since Namco sets the release date not NT.
gypsygib  +   1527d ago
Heavenly Sword 2 would have easily sold 2 mill - and probably have looked incredible.

And Heavenly Sword 1 was a much better game, gameplay and story-wise. Ninja Theory is digressing.
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SuperStrokey1123  +   1527d ago
It did that bad? Im shocked as its a fantastic game. Ill be getting it after xmas for sure.
wissam  +   1527d ago
I do not believe this it was of top 10 games in the uk and sold only 80k.I don't
buy this. though I do not like this game either. that's just wrong.
Baka-akaB  +   1527d ago
it's actually quite likely ... there were behemots in the top 5 like fifa and pes .. hell there was already an half million drop between the first and second place ... it's not that hard to guess how much lower a 8-10 entry would have fared in comparison .
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