360 Magazine: With Sony pushing 3D like there’s no tomorrow, is the 360 in danger of getting left behind? Not likely…
3D is more of gimmick than motion controls
...and you know how Microsoft and 360 fanboys hate motion controls. *cough, cough, kinect, cough*
doesn't interest me, a console is for games. if i need some exercise and fun i'll go play hockey like i have been for years.
the Xbox360 owners love to shake their booties with kinect instead of watching 3D movies. ...and that's Cool
but it isnt a requirement either. So many movies are being given the 3d treatment that it may kill itself. It is good entertainment value in moderation. When (and if) the technology can surpass the varying effects on each individual eye without the glasses and from all angles then I could see more and more use. The glasses free 3d is a nice step towards that but still limited viewing issues (for now). Even with glasses there are viewing issues. Real 3D is a ways off but every few generations it makes its way back around and better than before. Holography...thats the future of entertainment. Full encompassing and immersive. As for the 360...it can do 3D just fine. Maybe not the same level as what is being hyped but it can do it. Not sure why sony is pushing so hard unless that is all they got left.
This magazine shows how delusional the 360 fanbase is. Websites like PlanetXbox360 and this one spend about half of their time doing damage control and downplaying the other systems. The abused wife syndrome is strong with this fanbase.
I hope they don't bother with the 3d gaming yet! I'm still not sold on the idea yet. You have to go buy a 3d tv, then the stupid glasses, then the 3d games and movies... Maybe when the 3d tv's come out that don't need the glasses hit, i'll be more interested! But until then, 3d doesn't exist to me beyond the 3ds.
''Why The 360 Shouldn’t Waste Its Time With 3D'' It's because it can't handle it properly anyway. So why bother,right?
yep.. i mean just 2 years ago all the fanboys were saying that bluray is not needed now it's only "most" that still say that.. saying that there is no difference between regular dvds and blurays which = they don't own an HDTV if they can't afford an HDTV they definitely can't afford an 3DTV which means all they gonna do is go and write articles on why 3D is "stupid" a gimmick and "not needed"
You don't think 3D is the future of gaming? You think we shouldn't bother with it and keep gaming on 2D screens for ever? I am not jumping into the 3D era just yet either, I want to wait for a glasses less experience and I see that happening within a year or two. Gaming will not remain 2D for ever, don't be ignorant..
Regardless, design of games overall will remain 2D. The only element that will go 3D are visual enhancements and that's it. And, I do believe 2D will remain the primary form of video game development until a point where 3D has evolved into actual 3D images and not just the quick succession or interlacing of frames to fool your eyes into seeing 3D.
holography. Full interactive and encompassing entertainment. We are quite a few years off but that is why it is called "the future".
Agreed. Movies are going 3D more and more. So why the hell do games have to be stuck in 2D?
HDMI WiFi 1080p Hi Def DVD Hard drive (standard) Motion controls It's funny how options and features are always down played by MS and their fanbase until it's implemented to their console. Oh then it's the best thing since slice bread or the invention of the microwave oven.
You sir were brutally honest.
they just said is not the right moment to invest in something that will take some years to earn public. If you ask me i'll do the same! They will led sony build the hype then next gen when does glasses are less expensive that everybody can afford it then is good to go!
It goes both ways: 360 launch and entire 1st year deemed "meh" by sony and their fanboys, ps3 has a poor launch, ps3 fanboys cry about "doom and gloom" articles. ps3 fanboys are suddenly innocent victims, just retaliating, lol rumble is so last gen, then yeah sony sells us a new improved controller with rumble after we already paid for a $600 console hdmi is a neccessity for HD gaming, $600 console no hdmi cable backwards compatibility so important, sony removes it along with other once so important things that came with the original and now its OK achievements no big deal, now "OMG I love tropies" multiple sku' s will only confuse consumers, now its OK sony doesn't need to cut deals with 3rd party for DLC but then when they do its great news, "devs love us". don't care about netflix, now netflix is great sales don't matter, except when ps3 slim did well sony spends about 100mil just advertising in Euro alone when the new slim came out, its OK, micro advertise a whole new motion control device and its wrong(I agree 500m is excessive but some act as if they shouldnt advertise at all) but I guess they think Kevin Butler and all those move commercials are free. 360 owners don't play games, they play sales, yet every chart is filled with 360 games at the top of list. we don't need motion controls, since controllers are best(both camps) but of course sony is innovating right? -ahh but keep telling yourself cross game chat isn't a important part of online gaming until, well you know. lol the hypocrisy continues, [wink] @shadow, I see ya lil buddy JOY
@Jokes This is not about fanboys and their comments. Most of your points is useless talk about what fanboys said, no about Sony policies/priorities regarding the PS3. Let me address some of your worthy points: - Rumble: Sony fvked this one initially. They eventually had to fix that crap. - HDMI cable? come on. - PS3 has two SKUs since day one. - BC was removed for the sake of lower production costs. Nobody is happy with this, but as with OtherOS removal that is something newcomers have to live with. Early adopters can play on their 60GB. -Motion controls: Yeah, Sony had no plans for Motion Controls (beyond sixaxis) and like most people in the industry thought the Wii was a fad. Cant blame them. Never heard Sony saying they are innovating. The one talking about innovation is MS, which is funny considering Kinects is only an improved EyeToy. Your other stuff is not worth addressing sorry.
So sonfanboys don't get any of this from sony and their policies, everything I said at some point was something sony themselves talked about, yet you say most of my points are useless talk about what fanboys said, well lets take a look at the points I made that you didn't acknowledge: Did you most the tons of arrogant qoutes made by sony execs prior to the launch of ps3? Well here you go, proof not from sonyfanboys but sony themselves http://www.engadget.com/200... -Do I really need to give you tons of other trash talking links from sony? Sony gets annoyed that micro pays for 3rd party exclusive deals and says this: "We don't buy exclusivity" http://www.joystiq.com/2007... -Then we see this: "Sony has announced a bunch of exclusive tie-ups with third-party publishers to provide downloadable content, betas and limited editions only available to PlayStation 3 owners." -Eurogamer http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... When asked if he thought the next-generation console would out-sell the Xbox 360 and the Wii console, Kutaragi stated "We don't care." http://play.tm/news/8432/so... -Then when ps3 slim sales were hot sony was all over the place talking sales. -As for achievements no sony never were against them I only bring it up because obviously trophies are a direct "me too" consequence of 360's achievement succes which was downplayed heavily by ps3 fanboys. -Everything I said has been touted on this site before, compared to the hate about 360 its all fair game to look at both sides. JOY
Well to be fair you dont have proof Sony is buying any exclusive DLC. Speculate is all we can do regarding this matter. Regarding sales, Sony is the most interested in letting people know their console is selling well. Why wouldnt they? Arrogant quotes. That is very 2005. Sony had totally won two gens in a row, they had reasons to be arrogant. Stop bringing that old stuff back. Your points are not stronger because of it.
@ raztad So it's ok for you to bring up the last 2 gens Sony dominated, yet have a problem with JokesOnYou with bringing up what Sony has said this gen? "Stop bringing that old stuff back." - Ceems to me that JokesOnYou is talking about more current subjects than you are.
no proof, what do you need sonys hands on the cookie jar, read the link...oh wait devs like EA do "deals" with sony for free, despite 360's larger userbase, which especially loves shooters. lol yeah, sony braggs when they are on top, "why wouldnt they?", the hypocrisy of it all is only becomes outrageous when micro does it. lol, first you argue my points are only fanboy talk, I show you much of that "fanboy talk" is connected to sonys own BS attitude, then you say its old, which is it?, granted sony has done well to change, but at first you were acting as if sony never flip flopped or trash talked, which again brings to my original response to brutallyhonest, both companys have changed their thinking on some level this gen. Actually, in most cases I think gamers should be pleased, ipods evolve, cell phones add functionality, all tech goes through changes as the market dictate but when micro improves its existing product its terrible because they should have had it day one. Bias eyes always see things one sided, mistakes have been made by both Truth is nothing added to the new 360s is needed, just there to add value. JOY
It is pretty lame all you get from the xbox camp is editorials about how HDMI/WIFI/BD are not needed. Now it is the turn for 3D. Good luck with that. I'll be getting a 3DTV in the first chance, KZ3D and MS:A ought to be played as they are meant to in 3D. Not to mention Sony patented tech of FULL SCREEN local multiplayer. That if you believe MS propaganda will make players to feel "disconnected". LMAO
Sony patented the tech of full screen local multiplayer? really? Like sega patented the arrow guiding system?
NOPE. Sorry for the confusion, I'm talking about this: http://www.joystiq.com/2010... Which was bashed by a MS representative in this article: http://www.computerandvideo...
Because the PS3 does it better.
I WILL NOT BUY A 3D TV UNTIL TOSHIBA'S GLASSES FREE TV COMES OUT. I WENT TO CHICAGO'S MUSEUM OF SCIENCE AND INDUSTRY AND THEY HAD THE TV. IT WORKS REALLY GOOD AND I WAS SURPRISED ABOUT HOW GOOD IT WORKED.
So basically I think they are doing the "wait and see" approach, they are gonna let Sony try and push it into our homes and then once it's in they will jump on...which isn't a bad thing it's actually smart.
If every company would think like that, nothing new would come out.
Yet Msoft like to do the 'wait and see, then if it takes off, act like it was our idea' more often than not. I don't mind Sony pushing 3D, but I think they're maybe trying to pioneer the market. Like Sharp and the LCD. Invent it, and the consumers will look to you first. I'd rather not look goofy. 2D is fine for me.
Not really, yet totally true. Move and Kinect is nothing new, but they were taken aback when the Wii took the world by storm, and they jumped on, both claiming their "new" status while the Wii and the Sixaxis were already out.
I agree, that's why I'm glad we have companies like Sony who will try to push new tech into our homes and lives.
that's why they went to the street with move right? no, they did the same, they wait that wii push it in our homes and then jump in!
That's also true
Im not going too be a fan of 3D tv or gaming as long as you have to put glasses on when they can do 3d on a tv with out glasses I might look at it but there must be around 0.5% of gamers who have a 3D tv as around half the gamers are kids and have 22" or below TV's in there room and you cant do 3d on these tvs so it is really pointless.
It's just as bad as putting on earpieces/mics to speak.
for beating me to the punch. I can't help but laugh at gamers that complain about the having to wear glasses to game but don't think about a headset to communicate online. Millions of people wear glasses daily whether it's to help them see or protect their eyes from sunlight. How many people do you see walking around with headsets on? If you want 3D any time soon you are just going to have to adjust to those glasses. Glass(less) 3D is years off with a acceptable viewing cone (angle) for off axis viewing. Unless you want to start designing your living rooms out of row seating to view that glass(less) 3D display. But 3D displays are so expensive. Uh no they're not. Most 3D displays are roughly the same price as non 3D display LED's. Top tier displays of course are more expensive but if you have the cash for a 4K display a few more hundred shouldn't matter to you. The only additional cost is if you need more than 2 pairs of glasses since most displays come with a set (2). I have already seen 3D displays at retail for -1k with a pair of glasses included.
well i for one am a tool to 3D and new tech (kinect not included)- and ive seen the 3D they have out at besy buy and frys electronics (west coast) and its awesome,so ill be getting one before killzone 3 :)- ... i honestly dont think 360 needs it but i think that one day ESPECIALLY if it becomes MORE then a gimmk,that they will aventually implemnt it. just my 2 cents.
Crysis 2 will natively support 3d when it releases on BOTH consoles next year. Microsoft just isnt making 3d their entir marketing department.
That isn't Stereoscopic 3D. It's depth based. Don't fool yourself into thinking the quality of that 3D is *anywhere* near as good as true Stereoscopic 3D. Same applies for COD: Black Ops. As of right now, Sony and Nvidia are the only ones with true 3D gaming.
The only pure 3d is in HDMI 1.4 witch ps3 has't so.......no more comments.
No more comments? So you don't want me to point out that HDMI 1.3a is completely and utterly capable of transferring a full 1080p Stereoscopic 3D signal to any video source? HDMI 1.4a brings a host of new features such as HDMI Ethernet and Audio Return, but true Stereoscopic 3D is more than possible with the 1.3a standard.
when i said no comments it was for me not for you but read this information please that i found in hdmi page. The latest version of the HDMI standard establishes critical infrastructure for implementing 3D video in the home, defining input/output protocols that will allow 3D displays and source devices to communicate through an HDMI link. It’s a major milestone on the path to bringing true 3D gaming and 3D home theater to the mass market, supporting resolutions up to 1080p in 3D. 3D technology is evolving rapidly, with several competing approaches under development, so the HDMI 1.4 specification establishes protocols for a number of popular 3D display methods, including: Frame, line, or field alternative methods Side by side methods (full and half) 2D plus depth methods
Back in my day 3d use to mean 3D, like transition from 2d to 3d, like the NES to PlayStation
While i dont like the pushing of the 3-D, MS should start to embrace it and add it to some games to give the gamers with 3-D TVs the choice.
should 3d do become the standard in video games in the future its gonna be thakns to sony since they started it early or not.prices will go down in the fututre thanks to the fact that it started now and not later
You do know that SOny did not start it or started it early? Sega done it years before and the PC with Nvidia's setup did well before the PS3 and does it better. The one thing is Sony will make it more known to avergae gamers. But 3D gaming won't be "thanks" to Sony.
o0o then by all means thanks sega and the pc but funny were getting 3dtvs 3d channels soon and 3d moveis so...thanks sega and pc o0o wait no
Interesting talk, considering that they said the same thing about Bluray.
I believe as well that 3-D will die in a few years anyway not really accomplishing anything.
Given the investment that is being made, 3D is not going to die. It may take a few years longer to adopt than HD did, but it is here to stay. - With glasses-less 3D TVs coming this holiday season, it is only a matter of time before 'No glasses required 3D ready' is as standard a feature as 120hz has become. - 3D gaming won't be a huge part of the console experience until next gen which makes it smart for Xbox to hold off.
3d will big huge next generation for consoles. As it stands now the cost is too high for the average consumer, and moreover you are asking the recently 50+% of home owners in North America that just recently bought a HDTV in the lasst 2-3 years to go out and spend $2000+ more on another HDTV and glasses for 3D? Won't happen for the majority of users. And the number is less for regular HDTV adoption overseas. Also these consoles are just not powerful enough to run 3D properly as its meant to be...unless they are PSN or XBL games.
Why Microssoft should not waste its time on kinect...
One step closer to Tony Stark's "Jarvis" I'm in lol
If MS made Jarvis. Jarvis: "Good news Sir, I've been firmware upgraded and can now converse with you when you are sitting." Tony: "Excellent, Jarvis load up the calculations for that augmented reality simulation with 3D tracking and ballistic trajectory computation." Jarvis: "Negative, the closest thing I have to your request is Kinectimals sir." Tony: "What the hell... what use is that." Jarvis: "Don't think about it too much sir, just look at the shiny shiny."
Get lost troll notice "One step closer" never said MS would be the ones to do it
sony adds 1080p support.360 fans hate it.microsoft adds 1080p upscaling,then it's okay. sony adds hdmi.360 fans hate it.microsoft adds it and abandons the component systems and gamers,then it's okay. sony add a large HDD.360 fans say 20gig is good enough.microsoft adds bigger,then it's okay. sony adds wifi to ps3.360 fans hate on it.then microsoft adds wifi 4 1/2 years later,then it's okay. sony adds bluray.360 fans hate on it and say HD-dvd is better.HD-dvd fails,then it's okay to go digital because microsoft said so.but neglect that ps3 can do digital downloads **AND** bluray. sony says 10 years.360 fans say that it's too long.when microsoft says it,then it's okay for 10 year systems. sony adds home.360 fans hate on it.then microsoft adds avatars and arcade,then digital rooms are okay. sony has the xmb interface.360 fans hate on it.microsoft dumps bldes for an xmb like interface,then it's okay. NOW...... we get to accurate motion control and 3D and 360 fans are hating on those.do you see a pattern with all this.***sony leads the way***,360 fan hate on it,then love it when microsoft adds something similar.but this time,360 is incapable of adding the same 3D games like ps3,the same 3D movies like ps3 and the same accurate motion like ps3. suck that down.....
Yeah but don't forget a HANA chip peeling from the board is art, whereas native support is apparently inferior to upscaling.
i agree with u , xbox360 fans always act like kids , and ps3 fans too .. but im with the ps3 , ps3 is alot better then the xbox360 because of the games , the most importent thing in these consoles are the games , if the games sucks then what's the use of it that's why i sold my xbox360 2 times ( i bought two xbox360 , one that plays online and the other one play copy games ) i only like fable 1,2,3 - forza 3 - splinter cell - alan wake and gears 1 ( didn't like 2 ) they are good but they are still not as good as ps3 games and the other games are sucks compared to ps3 ....... i only want good games , im not a fan boy , it's just ps3 have better games and more exclusives out and coming .....
I see your point, and its valid but the door swings both ways So don't be too blinded to the fact that each company, MS, Nin and Sony copy or replicate their competitors to improve their product. Also note that HDMI has Sony as one of the founding fathers so for MS to add it in before Sony was never going to happen
I am getting sick and tired of PS3 fanboys like yourself Zimain. Every article i see, there you are running your mouth bashing the 360. I know you are upset that your overpriced blu-ray player cant play any real games and that PSN is a joke... But come on man... Cant you show a little class? If i had a PS3, I wouldn't show it to my friends for fear of getting embarrassed. I imagine every time i would turn it on, it would YLOD and print pictures of the always upcoming "GT5" racing simulator which will probably never be released. (or not until the next Gen). Sony droids like yourself should consider Vasectomies, so that my kids at least wouldn't have to deal with them. I say you take a hike You ramen loving hippie.
Wow, act like you're 12 much? Are you so hurt when people present facts to you? Overpriced Blu-Ray player? Yep and those Blu-Rays are also games. Granted Blu-Ray discs can get scratched and still be read, and are even coated with a scratch resistant surface. You see, I had a 360, as did my step-brother. Both of ours died at minimum 3 times a piece within a 2 year timespan. I know thats such a small pool to gather but its just evidence. I bought a PS3 at launch and still have it, shit I even bought a slim. Talk about always upcoming games, ever hear of Alan Wake? Didn't that also take 5 years to produce? What about Splinter Cell? Talk about showing class. Instead of trying to sell your obnoxious opinion with incoherent sentence structure try to look at facts buddy. Ramen is the shit, maybe after you get out of junior high school and get good enough grades you can go to college where you will probably live of it. Again there are both pros and cons for both systems, don't act like 360 or even the Wii is perfect, the PS3 isn't perfect either.
I knew a stupid xbot would come in here trying to steal the show. Listen buddy, its not my fault that your 360 has only 2 games (Halo + Gears) and no variety whatsoever. You also have to pay for crummy box live which is now 60$ a year. PSN is free and just as reliable. Combine that with RROD, ugly power brick, disc scratching hardware, limited upgrade options, no wifi, no rechargeable controllers, and you have yourself one hell of a crappy console! If I had a 360, i imagine that every time i would turn it on it would just show Bill Gate's asshole on the screen with a banana in it and keep printing out advertisements for more MS shitty merchandise like kinect. Then I could get together with my 50 year old family members and play stupid games like kinectimals together. Nothing like good family bonding while everyone flails their arms in the air randomly, pretending to be Bob Dylan right ? You should get off creatine and maybe consider buying a real console for a change. that is unless you like to get sodomized by middle aged prisoners, and then crying yourself to sleep every night. Hope you get infected with botulism prick. Cheers, DXM1
xbox 360 apologists will believe anything where microsoft is concerned, even if its utter rubbish being told to them. xb0x apologists thinks microsoft is just sitting back and waiting to see where 3d is going so by that logic i guess microsoft is waiting to see where amazing games with highly detailed graphics and true hd is going before they try it. kinect is literally broken since the unveiling at e3 2009 and judging by the limited but informative videos, one can presumably say that its rubbish but i hear a lot of xb0x apologists say they will be getting the expensive and problem riddled kinect on day one even though theyve seen 90% of the kinect previews giving problems. to each his own, i love quality and microsoft is sitting back and watching to see if the market demands quality . xb0x still hasnt had a game that has surpassed uncharted 1 on the ps3 which is a 2007 game and the xb0x 360 isnt capable of doing tru stereoscopic 3d but the fanboys will believe rubbish when the truth is clear as brita water. ps. the talon stands for talented
MS is wasting it's time on core games to begin with, 3D should be at the bottom of their to do list right now anyway. 1st party devs, exclusives (real ones), core games, HDD on ALL consoles, internet browser, Blu-Ray, THEN MAYBE 3D.
the idea of playn games witha 3d effect is cool,but it sux whn you have to downgrade the grapics on ps3 and xbox,id rather not have 3d till next console
3D Gaming had its chance to run using a Sega console which I had the chance to own and I must say it looked great and only cost me $250 for console,light phasor gun and glasses, game was extra. The only draw back was, you were the only person in the room who could see anything on the TV screen, the console only supported one 3d glass user at a time,ah the good old days lol. Now the run to bring 3d back on a gaming console is just to expensive, TV makers forced everyone to buy HD TV’s so most people have spent a lot of cash for their systems to get HD TV an gaming and now have to spend even more cash to update their system to get the full 3d effect at home.That’s why it will be awhile before it it becomes mainstream, most people will not make that committment of spending that kind of cash at this time so soon,thats one of the things that killed the Sega 3d system, people did not think it was worth the money on a game console at that time but it looked great.3d without glasses is the way to go but screen size will delay it again because of price.Do not want look at small screens, already wear eye glasses.
"TV makers forced everyone to buy HD TV’s" you're right, I still tear up when I remember the day they burst into my house with AK-47's and killed my first born. You make some fairly interesting points about money, but the world is split into the have and have nots.