CVG: Microsoft has promised that it is "not ignoring" 3D gaming - but suggested that the glasses-based tech used by PS3 is not "mainstream".
Speaking to CNN, Microsoft studios boss Phil Spencer said that the firm was unsure about the future of glasses-based multiplayer 3D gaming - commenting that it risks a "weird disconnect" to players.
he's specifically referring to a technology sony patented (split screen gaming where each player gets a full screen thanks to the 3d glasses blocking out the other player's frames), so it's a dig at ps3's 3d.
i believe 360 is a good console i just cnt stand microsoft and their PR..proof of my claims they watch then copy?.here you go all of ms's versions came after..FACT Software Arts: Visicalc (First Spreadsheet ever) Lotus: Lotus 123 Spreadsheet Microsoft: Excel WordPerfect Corporation: Word Perfect Office Suite Microsoft: Microsoft Office Ashton-Tate: Dbase database Sybase:e Sybase database SQL Server: A repackaging of Sybase Graphical User Interface: Xerox Parc Apple: Apple OS Microsoft: Microsoft Windows Logitech: Mice, etc. MS: Mice, etc. Intuit: Quicken Microsoft: MS Money Google: Search Microsoft: Bing Silicon graphics Inc. (SGI): GL/Open GL graphics language Microsoft: Direct/X Sun Microsystems: Project Looking Glass (3D Desktop) Linux Distributions: Compiz Microsoft: Windows 7 Adobe: Flash Microsoft: SilverLight Adobe: Type 1 Fonts MS and Apple: True-Type Fonts Apple: iTunes Microsoft: Zune Sony: Playstation Nintendo: NES, Super NES, 64, Wi Microsoft: X-Box MIT: Kerberos Microsoft: MS Kerberos Netscape: Navigator Microsoft: Internet Explorer Apple: Draw/Paint Microsoft: Paint ps3:HDMI 360:HDMI apple ipad ms have now announced a tablet I'm confident that I'm missing something, but I think that you get the message. MS HAS RARELY led
Apple: Iphone Google: Android MS: WinPhone 7 Sun: Java MS: .net
@"he's specifically referring o a technology sony patented (split screen gaming where each player gets a full screen thanks to the 3d glasses blocking out the other player's frames), so it's a dig at ps3's 3d." dude if you had more than 2 people you'd need a ludicrously expensive TV or you'd get noticeably bad framerates. The majority of TVs have 60hz, so with 2 players you're already looking at a MAX of 30fps for each player. If it's in 3D, you drop by another factor of 2 to 15 fps per person with just 2 people. It's a solid concept, but like most 3D it will be a few years before we have the tech to make it mainstream.
sorry I missed this: "apple ipad ms have now announced a tablet " MS has had tablets for the last decade. They just haven't gotten big until now with the ipad/kindle/what have you. There have been tons of tablets running windows for years and years. There are a couple things in your list that are suspect. Both microsoft and apple stole the gui from xerox (stole in that Xerox gave it to them). MSN had search right around when Google came into existence, bing is just their rebranded search because MSN search had barely any of the market. Windows Mobile has been around for 10 years. There's also things that would have happened regardless of the competitor like mouses and fonts. Not saying M$ never copied anything, but every major corporation does. Seriously. Just pick a random major corporation and you could find a million things they copied or improved upon.
"Sony: Playstation Nintendo: NES, Super NES, 64, Wi Microsoft: X-Box" MS was in the console biz long before Sony but just went back to it with Dreamcast and Xbox.
@The Lazy One Only low end tvs are 60hz now, and with 3d tvs I don't think there are any below 120hz, most are 240hz+, and you do need a 3d TV for this to work. So each player could get at least 60fps because in this mode it's not necessarily in 3D, it's about giving each player a full screen view. Or you could do 4 player 2D at 30fps with each player having a full screen and not being able to see the other players screen. That's just awesome, even in 2D. This is just the same old shortsighted Microsoft all over again. They designed the 360 for 720p and no HDMI because there were so few 1080p TVs, now it's hard to find a TV over 32" that isn't 1080p. Even most 32" TVs are 1080p now. Within a few years it will be hard to find a TV that doesn't support 3D.
"I'm confident that I'm missing something, but I think that you get the message. MS HAS RARELY led " They just make a better product? Clearly a lot of those technology companies/product died? However, I'm almost certain if you look at any company product I can point to a similar predecessor! So I don't believe your point holds!
@"Only low end tvs are 60hz now, and with 3d tvs I don't think there are any below 120hz, most are 240hz+, and you do need a 3d TV for this to work. So each player could get at least 60fps because in this mode it's not necessarily in 3D, it's about giving each player a full screen view. Or you could do 4 player 2D at 30fps with each player having a full screen and not being able to see the other players screen. That's just awesome, even in 2D." Yea looks like they jumped up this year, but the PS3 still only sends a max of 60 hertz. So either way you'll either get a smaller resolution or a lower framerate. I don't doubt at all the tech will be there some way or another soon, but with this generation of devices it would just be like trying to pull a dodge viper with a horse. That's the problem with trying to adapt new tech to older systems (same with kinect). They didn't have these things to worry about in their original specs, so they didn't have the higher requirements needed. Next gen should see an enormous increase in tech with all the new technology. They won't have to try to fit the new tech to an old system, they can adapt the system to best use the technology.
I don't know if the PS3 has any sort of hard limit on the output frequency, but surely it doesn't have enough horsepower to render 4 completely different 1080p, or even 720p screens. I think this gen the most we can expect from the concept in this patent is 2 player 2D at no more than 720p, which is still pretty cool. But next gen I expect we'll see at least 4 player 2D and 2 player 3D all at 1080p
not only is it flamebait, but im pretty sure if this was a big or unfixable issue it would have been mentioned before now..
Infected games:- FF13 Lost Planet Every game with DLC's which can easily put on bluray without extra cost
"Every game with DLC's which can easily put on bluray without extra cost" thats a fucked up statement, how are you supposed to get DLC on a new release? do you think these developers have all this DLC available when the main game ships? nope sorry. DLC is created after the game has gone gold/printing. and the no extra cost bit is even more stupid..... it costs nothing to spend man-hours on a side project? lol wrong again. get off sony's balls already
when has MS ever given credit to the opposition. Their whole mantra is 'knock what you dont got til you do got' MS seem to downplay the opposition as many companies do *remembers rumble being downplayed by sony* Its just that MS do it MORE than the opposition in my honest opinion @DelbertGrady it may not be about anybody in particular but they wouldn't be saying this IF they were at the forefront. It reminds me how they backtracked over the hd dvd saga....hd dvd was the future until it was beaten so DD because the 'new' future if you get my drift
captain obvious to the rescue
capn' obvious isn't selective or quotes out of context.
M$ downplays Rumble now, cause of kinect...how things have changed
its a concept/practice that eludes you. Do you have anything to say about the article? An opinion maybe.. @ kain81 lol, the irony and how true @ blacsheep way above Thats a comprehensive list but im sure a list could be drawn up of sony's copying or any company for that matter. Something that should be highlighted is their lack of innovation...not just in their xbox division btw and please dont tell me Kinect cause eyetoy has pretty much been there done that and has the t-shirt. Achievements and their console online integration and standardisation/uniformity is MS main innovation since they entered the market imo...credit where its due EDIT for above, 'so DD because the 'new' future ' became NOT because...sorry
I guess wifi became mainstream this year too, huh? I guess whenever you release a console capable of rendering a 3D image and outputting it via HDMI 1.4 as required by the 3D spec, it'll become mainstream also right? "Trying to get a bunch of people playing together in a room where not everybody sees the same thing ... is kind of a weird disconnect to me." Oh, so now having split screen where each player has their own screen (thanks to the 3d glasses, they block out frames where the other player's screen is being displayed, a tech recently patented by sony) is a bad thing because it causes a "disconnect"? So we're supposed to want our friends to see which play we pick in madden? we're supposed to have them be able to tell where we are on the map in warhawk just by looking at our screen? this is a good thing how? I see a bunch of shots being taken because their system can't do X feature, much like Sony bashed rumble when they legally couldn't use it. MS knows they can't do proper 3D. They know they can't do the full screen split screen tech where each player gets their own screen only visible to themselves all on the same TV. So they're bashing it at every opportunity. Saying they are waiting on autostereoscopic (which is very expensive and doesn't currently work all that well) buys them a lot of time to get their act together and release a 3-D capable system. They're admitting that you won't see 3-D this gen out of them. not true 120fps 3-D in HD (yes, few ps3 games can do it to, but the fact remains that it has the capability should the dev choose to utilize it), and not 4 player full screen split screen all on the same TV. "As a corporate mandate, I don't need to sell you a new TV," "That's not part of my business model. Other companies maybe have that part of their business model. I don't." Yeah, you just need to sell people things they otherwise get for free, like online services, or video chat, or access to netflix or any other pay service... yeah. i'll take a sony rep trying to sell me on a 3dtv over that.
"Trying to get a bunch of people playing together in a room where not everybody sees the same thing ... is kind of a weird disconnect to me." That's what he said. he's talking about the tech sony patented that alternates frames on the tv from player 1's frame to player 2's, and so on, and the glasses block out the frame that each player is not supposed to see, effectively giving you split screen gaming but at full screen for each player. funny thing is, sony hasn't even announced using this tech yet. they only patented it. this means MS is reacting to things that haven't even been announced yet.
they make such headlines and are a top site in the UK
I don't think an expensive gimmick like 3D is going to have quite the effect as Developers having to cut content, pay extra for more disks, work on last generation's data protocols. Rocks in glass houses and all.
MS have no real interest in 3D as they have nothing to gain from it, they don't make TVs or the glasses, Sony on the other hand do, hence their heavy push of the tech, perhaps to heavy, what you could consider wasted dev time implementing it when the install base is currently not there to justify it. But I suppose it's all about being ahead of the game.
If Sony charged for multiplayer in 3D, would that solve everything?
but glassess 3D is on the way. and sony will implement it, its just not 100% commercially viable YET! be patient, its a tech that'll become a standard option at one point in time.
It's already implemented in the 3D Blu-ray standard. Sony, as a hardware manufacturer and not a games platform, simply feels their glasses offerings are stronger than other options available. Feel free to purchase any 3D solution you wish. Everything is supported.
What is this bad wrong headline day?
its just you
They never said anything about PS3, this headline is misleading. Just me 2 cents TMI
I don't care about 3d.
"As a corporate mandate, I don't need to sell you a new TV," he said. "That's not part of my business model. Other companies maybe have that part of their business model. I don't." MS needs only to sell online gaming for 60$ \s
for 150 bucks and 30-40 dollar software for 50-60 bucks... @divideby0: MS is already trying to create a "new standard" much like HDDVD with Kinect.
Please just STFU :) Thank you.
mods must have the day off today
"Microsoft has promised that it is "not ignoring" 3D gaming - but suggested that the glasses-based tech used by PS3 is not "mainstream"." I dont know how they can even say this. Every movie I have been to including iMax uses glasses. Even the attractions in Disney use them. I just hope MS does not pull another HDDVD attempt this time around. Just also hope gamers are more careful this time before they jump into any new standard that MS may try. I would be all for glassless 3D, providing quality and price are there, but that is a ways off
i still think the it should have been called the XBOX 180 as this is what Microsoft do to their customers all the time. MS supports a HDDVD drive addon, turn 180 and now its DD. XBOX does not need a HDD, turn 180 and now it does. XBOX does not need built in WiFi, turn 180 and now it does. XBOX Does not need HDMI, turn 180 and now it does. Its the customers who pay the price for this and i see it continuing with 3D and Kinect.
So are controller-free, lag-filled, waving-my-arms-around everywhere peripherals "mainstream", then, Microsoft? 'Cuz that's what YOU'RE introducing to the market. How's that for "weird diskinect"? Lololol, see what I did there?
MS: PS3D is not mainstream, but if it becomes mainstream, we want a big slice of the pie, we watch like always. We pick up tech nobody wants (KINECT)
Comments like these is what breeds 'you are junk, we are better' attitude for 360 fanboys.
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