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MS: PS3 3D risks 'weird disconnect' in multiplayer

CVG: Microsoft has promised that it is "not ignoring" 3D gaming - but suggested that the glasses-based tech used by PS3 is not "mainstream".

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DelbertGrady2614d ago

Speaking to CNN, Microsoft studios boss Phil Spencer said that the firm was unsure about the future of glasses-based multiplayer 3D gaming - commenting that it risks a "weird disconnect" to players.

fr0sty2614d ago

he's specifically referring to a technology sony patented (split screen gaming where each player gets a full screen thanks to the 3d glasses blocking out the other player's frames), so it's a dig at ps3's 3d.

blacsheep2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

i believe 360 is a good console i just cnt stand microsoft and their PR..proof of my claims they watch then copy?.here you go all of ms's versions came after..FACT

Software Arts: Visicalc (First Spreadsheet ever) Lotus: Lotus 123 Spreadsheet
Microsoft: Excel

WordPerfect Corporation: Word Perfect Office Suite
Microsoft: Microsoft Office

Ashton-Tate: Dbase database
Sybase:e Sybase database
SQL Server: A repackaging of Sybase

Graphical User Interface: Xerox Parc
Apple: Apple OS
Microsoft: Microsoft Windows

Logitech: Mice, etc.
MS: Mice, etc.

Intuit: Quicken
Microsoft: MS Money

Google: Search
Microsoft: Bing

Silicon graphics Inc. (SGI): GL/Open GL graphics language
Microsoft: Direct/X

Sun Microsystems: Project Looking Glass (3D Desktop)
Linux Distributions: Compiz
Microsoft: Windows 7

Adobe: Flash
Microsoft: SilverLight

Adobe: Type 1 Fonts
MS and Apple: True-Type Fonts

Apple: iTunes
Microsoft: Zune

Sony: Playstation
Nintendo: NES, Super NES, 64, Wi
Microsoft: X-Box

MIT: Kerberos
Microsoft: MS Kerberos

Netscape: Navigator
Microsoft: Internet Explorer

Apple: Draw/Paint
Microsoft: Paint

ps3:HDMI
360:HDMI

apple ipad
ms have now announced a tablet

I'm confident that I'm missing something, but I think that you get the message. MS HAS RARELY led

Ju2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

Apple: Iphone
Google: Android
MS: WinPhone 7

Sun: Java
MS: .net

The Lazy One2614d ago

@"he's specifically referring o a technology sony patented (split screen gaming where each player gets a full screen thanks to the 3d glasses blocking out the other player's frames), so it's a dig at ps3's 3d."

dude if you had more than 2 people you'd need a ludicrously expensive TV or you'd get noticeably bad framerates. The majority of TVs have 60hz, so with 2 players you're already looking at a MAX of 30fps for each player. If it's in 3D, you drop by another factor of 2 to 15 fps per person with just 2 people.

It's a solid concept, but like most 3D it will be a few years before we have the tech to make it mainstream.

The Lazy One2614d ago

sorry I missed this:

"apple ipad
ms have now announced a tablet "

MS has had tablets for the last decade. They just haven't gotten big until now with the ipad/kindle/what have you. There have been tons of tablets running windows for years and years.

There are a couple things in your list that are suspect. Both microsoft and apple stole the gui from xerox (stole in that Xerox gave it to them). MSN had search right around when Google came into existence, bing is just their rebranded search because MSN search had barely any of the market. Windows Mobile has been around for 10 years. There's also things that would have happened regardless of the competitor like mouses and fonts.

Not saying M$ never copied anything, but every major corporation does. Seriously. Just pick a random major corporation and you could find a million things they copied or improved upon.

lowcarb2614d ago

"Sony: Playstation
Nintendo: NES, Super NES, 64, Wi
Microsoft: X-Box"

MS was in the console biz long before Sony but just went back to it with Dreamcast and Xbox.

kneon2614d ago

@The Lazy One

Only low end tvs are 60hz now, and with 3d tvs I don't think there are any below 120hz, most are 240hz+, and you do need a 3d TV for this to work. So each player could get at least 60fps because in this mode it's not necessarily in 3D, it's about giving each player a full screen view. Or you could do 4 player 2D at 30fps with each player having a full screen and not being able to see the other players screen. That's just awesome, even in 2D.

This is just the same old shortsighted Microsoft all over again. They designed the 360 for 720p and no HDMI because there were so few 1080p TVs, now it's hard to find a TV over 32" that isn't 1080p. Even most 32" TVs are 1080p now. Within a few years it will be hard to find a TV that doesn't support 3D.

gamingdroid2614d ago

"I'm confident that I'm missing something, but I think that you get the message. MS HAS RARELY led "

They just make a better product? Clearly a lot of those technology companies/product died?

However, I'm almost certain if you look at any company product I can point to a similar predecessor! So I don't believe your point holds!

The Lazy One2613d ago

@"Only low end tvs are 60hz now, and with 3d tvs I don't think there are any below 120hz, most are 240hz+, and you do need a 3d TV for this to work. So each player could get at least 60fps because in this mode it's not necessarily in 3D, it's about giving each player a full screen view. Or you could do 4 player 2D at 30fps with each player having a full screen and not being able to see the other players screen. That's just awesome, even in 2D."

Yea looks like they jumped up this year, but the PS3 still only sends a max of 60 hertz. So either way you'll either get a smaller resolution or a lower framerate. I don't doubt at all the tech will be there some way or another soon, but with this generation of devices it would just be like trying to pull a dodge viper with a horse.

That's the problem with trying to adapt new tech to older systems (same with kinect). They didn't have these things to worry about in their original specs, so they didn't have the higher requirements needed. Next gen should see an enormous increase in tech with all the new technology. They won't have to try to fit the new tech to an old system, they can adapt the system to best use the technology.

kneon2613d ago

I don't know if the PS3 has any sort of hard limit on the output frequency, but surely it doesn't have enough horsepower to render 4 completely different 1080p, or even 720p screens. I think this gen the most we can expect from the concept in this patent is 2 player 2D at no more than 720p, which is still pretty cool.

But next gen I expect we'll see at least 4 player 2D and 2 player 3D all at 1080p

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xAlmostPro2614d ago

not only is it flamebait, but im pretty sure if this was a big or unfixable issue it would have been mentioned before now..

vsr2614d ago

Infected games:-
FF13
Lost Planet
Every game with DLC's which can easily put on bluray without extra cost

maxcer2614d ago

"Every game with DLC's which can easily put on bluray without extra cost"

thats a fucked up statement, how are you supposed to get DLC on a new release? do you think these developers have all this DLC available when the main game ships? nope sorry. DLC is created after the game has gone gold/printing.

and the no extra cost bit is even more stupid..... it costs nothing to spend man-hours on a side project? lol wrong again. get off sony's balls already

The Wood2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

when has MS ever given credit to the opposition. Their whole mantra is 'knock what you dont got til you do got'

MS seem to downplay the opposition as many companies do *remembers rumble being downplayed by sony* Its just that MS do it MORE than the opposition in my honest opinion

@DelbertGrady

it may not be about anybody in particular but they wouldn't be saying this IF they were at the forefront. It reminds me how they backtracked over the hd dvd saga....hd dvd was the future until it was beaten so DD because the 'new' future if you get my drift

boing2614d ago

captain obvious to the rescue

visualb2614d ago

capn' obvious isn't selective or quotes out of context.

Kain812614d ago

M$ downplays Rumble now, cause of kinect...how things have changed

The Wood2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

its a concept/practice that eludes you. Do you have anything to say about the article? An opinion maybe..

@ kain81 lol, the irony and how true

@ blacsheep way above

Thats a comprehensive list but im sure a list could be drawn up of sony's copying or any company for that matter. Something that should be highlighted is their lack of innovation...not just in their xbox division btw and please dont tell me Kinect cause eyetoy has pretty much been there done that and has the t-shirt. Achievements and their console online integration and standardisation/uniformity is MS main innovation since they entered the market imo...credit where its due

EDIT for above,
'so DD because the 'new' future ' became NOT because...sorry

fr0sty2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

I guess wifi became mainstream this year too, huh? I guess whenever you release a console capable of rendering a 3D image and outputting it via HDMI 1.4 as required by the 3D spec, it'll become mainstream also right?

"Trying to get a bunch of people playing together in a room where not everybody sees the same thing ... is kind of a weird disconnect to me."

Oh, so now having split screen where each player has their own screen (thanks to the 3d glasses, they block out frames where the other player's screen is being displayed, a tech recently patented by sony) is a bad thing because it causes a "disconnect"? So we're supposed to want our friends to see which play we pick in madden? we're supposed to have them be able to tell where we are on the map in warhawk just by looking at our screen? this is a good thing how?

I see a bunch of shots being taken because their system can't do X feature, much like Sony bashed rumble when they legally couldn't use it. MS knows they can't do proper 3D. They know they can't do the full screen split screen tech where each player gets their own screen only visible to themselves all on the same TV. So they're bashing it at every opportunity. Saying they are waiting on autostereoscopic (which is very expensive and doesn't currently work all that well) buys them a lot of time to get their act together and release a 3-D capable system.

They're admitting that you won't see 3-D this gen out of them. not true 120fps 3-D in HD (yes, few ps3 games can do it to, but the fact remains that it has the capability should the dev choose to utilize it), and not 4 player full screen split screen all on the same TV.

"As a corporate mandate, I don't need to sell you a new TV,"

"That's not part of my business model. Other companies maybe have that part of their business model. I don't."

Yeah, you just need to sell people things they otherwise get for free, like online services, or video chat, or access to netflix or any other pay service... yeah. i'll take a sony rep trying to sell me on a 3dtv over that.

boing2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

Never mind

fr0sty2614d ago (Edited 2614d ago )

"Trying to get a bunch of people playing together in a room where not everybody sees the same thing ... is kind of a weird disconnect to me."

That's what he said. he's talking about the tech sony patented that alternates frames on the tv from player 1's frame to player 2's, and so on, and the glasses block out the frame that each player is not supposed to see, effectively giving you split screen gaming but at full screen for each player.

funny thing is, sony hasn't even announced using this tech yet. they only patented it. this means MS is reacting to things that haven't even been announced yet.

Karooo2614d ago

they make such headlines and are a top site in the UK

Corrwin2614d ago

I don't think an expensive gimmick like 3D is going to have quite the effect as Developers having to cut content, pay extra for more disks, work on last generation's data protocols.

Rocks in glass houses and all.

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