360 Magazine: You might think console piracy doesn’t matter, but it’ll hit you in the pocket eventually...
Why should one pay $55 if that person can download it or buy a pirated version for $2?
Agreed. 50-60$ is TOO much. 10-20 is justified price for a game (PC rulz in that way). Developers and publishers are greedy sons of a... Piracy is not theft, so it is not bad
W. T. F!!! "Piracy is not theft, so its not bad" I think this place just sunk to a new low, congratulations gravemaker for making gamers look like even bigger knobs than we usually do. If you cant afford a game, then you go without, you dont steal or pirate it. At least thats what decent people do.
@Hands Up For Games- I do it with movies and music..don't see why I can't do it with games. I don't pirate PS3 games simply because it isn't worth the hassle considering the cost of a Blu-Ray writer and blank Blu-Ray CD's(not to mention the constant firmware updates Sony makes to stop piracy). However, if there was a way to do it that was actually worth the effort...I have no moral obligation not to do it. "hmm why should people pay for games? Good question. Maybe to support the devs? Maybe you would like to see a sequel from that game funded by the money made from the previous game? How can you call yourself a fan of something and at the same time say that it isn't worth your money?" MOST gamers don't pirate games. If the game is really THAT good...a couple thousand pirates won't make a difference to whether the game gets a sequel or not. Heck, Halo 3 and COD4 are great examples. If devs don't want people pirating games, then they should give people INCENTIVES for buying them legally. Include some free DLC or exclusive content. Most games today are NOT worth 60 bux. Gamers can either roll over and take it in the rear or do something about it(pirate games or buy em used) and show the industry that game prices are too high.
It costs millions of dollars to make these games and people pirating games are stealing no matter how you look at it. The more people steal the more prices will go up (along with production costs, developement, etc.). People don't buy enough copies of games to justify $20 games. Defend it however you want, pirating is stealing and illegal. Congratulations, you are a theif.
Well im afraid if you do it with movies and music then you are part of the problem as well. An artist, musician, director, writer, developer, programmer or actor makes a movie/album/game and they dedicate their life to it, sometimes for years. They then release their product to the world hoping that people will like it, enjoy it and just as important, PAY FOR IT! This allows them to move onto their next project safe in the knowledge that many people were happy to pay for their blood, sweat and tears. I suppose you probably think its OK to steal from Tesco/Wal Mart as they are huge huge companies that make billions, well im afraid its not. Theft is theft and that makes people who pirate, thieves. Simple as that. Thats the problem with kids today, they want what they cant afford and dont care about the consequences of what their actions might cause.
If you think $60 is too much for a game, then don't get it. Wait for them to have a price drop. You people ruin the industry. $30,000 is too much for a car, so I guess I will just steal it.
You all are part of the problem. Dbags like you all seem to think the rules don't apply to you. And no matter what your reasoning, when you pirate something...its stealing. Justify it all you want, but its stealing. Even if they lowered the prices I highly doubt you all would pony up for the game and pay for it. Even at $20 I am sure you would still steal it. You would justify somehow it should be free to you... Just remember, kharma is a bitch and you all are due a little kharma payback. And if you really want to show the industry that the most games out aren't worth $60...due your due dilegance, read up on reviews and pass on buying it. If we all refuse to buy poor games then guess what, publishers will either drop the prices or make better quality to raise the bar to where we will buy them. THQ is a great example of a company looking to turn around the perception of their games and they are making better games because we on a whole weren't buying the crap they were putting out for a while.
It's different for gaming where the developers only depend on game sales to profit unlike music and movies. So yeah it's gonna ruin us gamers in the end if games piracy continues to grow. Only silly children who do not work think that piracy has no effect on the industry.
Piracy is o.k.?! GTFO.
rent it instead. It's really cheap to rent it. Or buy it used.
I would love to know where the pro-piracy guys here work (that's if these leeches ever worked, maybe some are just too young to apply) and go there, use whatever the hell your services are and left the place without paying, as it appears you guys think it's ok for me to pay whatever and whenever I want for what I get.
"$30,000 is too much for a car, so I guess I will just steal it." I'm not justifying piracy or condemning anyone here, but if it were as easy to steal cars as it is to steal games, everybody would own a Lamborghini.
hmm why should people pay for games? Good question. Maybe to support the devs? Maybe you would like to see a sequel from that game funded by the money made from the previous game? How can you call yourself a fan of something and at the same time say that it isn't worth your money? @koehler - They will learn how the world works when they grow up. Kids are the worst at times.
Don't bother reasoning with them. They're idiots with no sense of ethics or even respect. They have no idea how the world works and can't grasp the concept of The Butterfly Effect.
fortunately for me my parents taught me values and ethics and that you work hard to make a good life. All these things my parents taught me not to steal all that normal stuff. it seems that kids now adays and yes you guys are kids are missing out on parenting and its a sad state. but oh well you know they dont make sense you know they won't listen so talking is a waste. You cant convince someone who already is okay with not making any sense to make any.
way too uptight... "my parents taught me values"? lol chill out dude you guys act like seniors vs freshman type of deal, which is gay.... everybody has stolen something at some point in their life. p.s. i doubt any of you are that successful, and self-absorbed to act like you are all knowledgeable.
"you guys act like seniors vs freshman type of deal, which is gay...." what the hell does that mean? Yes everyone has stolen something in there life ill agree but not everyone justify there theft as petty as pirates do. I know when i stole i knew it was wrong and illegal and i never once used the line i stole that gummy hamburger because the store was charging to much for it and i didn't even like it so its okay. And i never once said to myself you know that gummy hamburger was really good you know what ill just put this one down and ill go buy one. Im assuming the high school ref. was showing of your age. There is nothing wrong with that but i have family members who work in this industry and the fact you think its not a big deal at all only further pushes the careless feel pirates show. Anyways lol HXC gamer you just say im trying to get bubbles lol. Ive been on this site for 4years maybe. I never use all of bubbles but once every 6months. Then you ref. its making a small impact that is 100% true but doesnt make it any less damgaing or right. You seem to think its okay to pirate you gave a ref. to 1 game so you just so happen to be the exception to the rule. WHich im sure every pirate on the face of the earth is. The fact you cant understand like stated above how the butterfly effect works is something i can begin to expalin. Yes its to me is personally very small but on a bigger stage its not so small. Anyways dude do what you want. you seem to want to stick up for thieves so ill let you have it. The fact you tell me to calm down well im not upset and i havent been yet. The upset line is a low ball remark anyways used by people who are only willing to put so much in to there beliefs and conversation. and shame on your for sying im going after bubbles lol what a stupid comment yea man im going for them thats right and its worked so far all 5 of them One last edit. You torrented Starcraft but only bought it cuz you could do that with the MP. That is what i mean you only bought it cuz you couldn't get the MP with ou tthe purchased copy correct. But im out of bubbles i guess my plan didnt work lol
why buy the pirated version when you torrent it for free on your pc?
I feel sorry for you.
are a sick group your logic never makes any sense much less any thing you say in regards to this topic. your sad and pathetic and don't deserve the right to these peoples work if your to cheep to purchase it. the worst thing about pirates is they all seem to come on as full blown retards. But what if its no good. I love the line if its good ill put down my stolen copy and go buy it. LOL you think anyone on the face of the planets believes that. Gotta be the stupidest thing i hear when pirates comment.
some actually do buy it i torrented starcraft2 but then bought it for the multiplayer... "your sad and pathetic" ...somebody needs to chill, the fact that if i pirate something, which i only do for like music and movies, will have such a minuscule impact on you that you should really not care bout it. me thinks you are just trying to get more bubbles by saying things like "pirating is wrong. OMG THEY ARE SUCH RETARDS ROFL." i guess is a good strategy, but being a follower never gets anyone anywhere.
The quality of your character is what you do when nobody is watching. Why would I pay full retail instead of paying a pirate? Because I live my life trying to do what is right. The rewards for living this way ultimately pays off in much greater returns than short gains in getting "stuff" that you covertly steal.
"Why should one pay $55 if that person can download it or buy a pirated version for $2?" Because the budget for games nowadays is in the tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars. How is a developer going to recoup that cost charging only $20? Movie studios have a much easier route by releasing in theaters, recouping there and charge $20 for the DVDs for profit. Unfortunately, games don't have that luxury. Piracy will only drive the prices up for the people who buy their games through the proper channels.
Really? Have you heard of Capitalism and how it works? Do you have any idea how much games cost to make?
60 dollars isen't too much if the game has a good amount of value for example single player multiplayer co-op and immersion and graphics and gameplay play a part in it also.
360 Magazine: Why Xbox Piracy Will Cost Us All In The End hmmmmmm if a gamer owns ps3 dont think that will affect ps3 gamers... since this about xbox piracy trying to say this without sounding like a TROLL. if so not my intention.
PS3 games are pirated too - plenty of them online. Right now, it's limited but (once) the PS3 is thoroughly cracked open (and it's only a matter of time before it is) you will see an increase of piracy on the PS3 too. Can't be helped - there will always be people who want something for nothing.
That is true but the ps3 update on the new game's disc are being used so no pirated versions will be played yet. PC, wii, 360, ps2 and others are still at risk.
The real point is that MOST developers out there are making games multiplatform... so even though the PS3 is fairly hacker / piracy proof the 360/Wii version are not...if they get hit hard by piracy that will drive up the costs on the title on a whole by shrinking profits, etc... Basically, its a trickle down effect so in the end any mulitplatform dev is going to look to recoup costs across all sku's not just the one sku that had the most piracy.
just look at overall games sales....than look at how small % pirates take away from game sales. I aint saying piracy is good or bad. I just think MS has to make a better mousetrap and not pass the cost down to gamers.. Seriously 60+ bucks for a game is starting to get out of hand
then last gen. Games take alot more to make now. Games back on SNES were $60 sometimes more. You guys really need to think about what your saying before posting. I remember i payed $60 for TMNT turtles in time and taz mania and WWF raw all on SNES. its $10 more then last gen most of the xbox crowd talks about how cheap xbox live is and i know its not apples to apples but you justify being essentially tripled charged(Buying the game and paying your internet provider) but then you cant understand why games cost $60 now? The line of thought is beyond reachable to normal people with values and ethics.
cost of consoles, cost of my Live Gold account, cost of DLC, shorter games.... gaming is getting to be a very expense hobby and all the costs are put on the gamers.. what about in-game advertisments to off set the costs. what about all the crap games these companies should never release nor let them exist in development that long. I just think all these gaming companies have a responsibility to keep costs in checks ( I can only imagine what some of these execs get paid0
You dont have spend a ton of money playing genuine games. Buy a few good ones at full price (usually to support developers I like, such as Insomniac or Santa Monica). Sell them after playing them to buy used games (older ones which would be available at say 20-30 used). Or buy platinium / lower priced editions. No need to do piracy, and you might spend 250-300 at most on games in a year
Hack your own consoles, figured out how those hacks work, and push updates to cause the hacked consoles to not work... Problem solved.
I love how criminals always try to justify their behavior. They don't have jobs so don't understand economics. They are parasites. Everyone who has a job wants to maximize their income. Why would someone sit around all day developing games if they get nothing out of it? If they can't pay their rent or take care of their families. You steal a game, you are stealing the profit that pays them to make the games. Steal enough and it won’t be worth the effort and you won’t get any games. "...I have no moral obligation not to do it". Yes you do. Just as you have a moral obligation not to go into best buy and take something off their shelves. Or not break into someones house and steal things. "...a couple thousand pirates won't make a difference to whether the game gets a sequel or not" Just because your group of morally corrupt criminals is small doesnt make it not morally corrupt. You are still taking something from someone else without permission and without payment. It is a crime. If you had a job where someone did it to you and affected your life you would understand this.
Does anyone seriously think piracy is the reason games go up in price? Games are more expensive than ever to make and market. That's why prices increase. If piracy disappears tomorrow, game prices will NOT be affected.
Personally i think pirated games are aweful to look at (in the case/sleeve), i like to look at my huge collection of games looking all dapper in their nice cases filed in alphabetical order, if my collection was full of knock of nigel games then i would imagine half of them in Lovefilm DVD cases with a black and white cover, and the other half in cardboard cases looking all sweaty and minging
print out the cover, get a cd labeler, and get normal cases... i dont do it, but seems like a simple solution.
devs market games,show them at games confrences and they end up nothing like the advertised article,but we can be ripped off,reviews that are cash bungs to screw the consumer, devs saying a game is 10 hours long and it turns out its only 5-6 anouncing DLC before the game even finished. why not put it in the game??? again to screw consumer more. charging £55 in uk for black ops cos its worth it hahaha let the consumer decide that,not the developer. look at xbox 1 and ps2 games,loads of content came with game,now they release unfinished rubbish,with dlc on launch(that u have to pay for) 1200 ms points for a couple of maps,that was in the old game lol again screwing us more and more and more there a few games i have bought where the developer has given the consumer what it promised they are killzone 2 LBP uncharted 1 and 2. by the way i game on xbox 360 but those are they only games i consider worth there full retail value. look at turn 10,releasing a ultimate pack with stuff never coming to DLC,what about the fans who have bought the game at launch,every DLC pack released!! to be told they gonna have to fork out £39 to play the last bit screw 90% of the developers like they do us!!!!!!!!!!!!
any type of justification to your actions. This is a "CRUTCH" so to speak. Some people just dont understand how the world works. Trying being a smarter consumer and a more researched one then always blaming everything on the people you bought it from. I haven't bought a bad game in years i mean years any game im on the fence about ill rent but never steal.
The reason they will charge £55 for it is because they know all those CoD fanboys would be willing to pay anything for the game. Now that article says devs might increase price of games due to piracy, but if they do that, they will give even more people a reason to pirate until they increase it so much that people simply will stop buying. Also, I am not a pirate,but I believe it doesn't hurt the industry as much as the devs tell us it does. There is a lot more people buying their games then pirates. Only a very small portion of gamers are actually pirates. As for stealing from Microsoft, I'd be willing to do it. People like them who simply don't care about people who buy their games and only money deserve the piracy they get. The way they think, it doesn't matter what happens to you once they have your money. I say I'd do it, but there is nothing good on xbox even worth pirating.
The reason you have to buy a pirated game is because you're too poor to buy the real thing. The reason you're too poor to buy the real game is because you can't find a job. The reason you can't find a job is because you spend all of your time "hacking" and trying to get pirated games. It's a vicious circle but here's an idea...get out of mom's basment and peddle your ass to McDonald's and get a job. They will hire anybody, including skeevy pirates like yourself.
go say that to movies! because these idiots should know that bad reviews stops some gamers for purchasing a game. For example, players are renting Vanquish now because some trash sites are saying it's 4hours long. Publishers don't get money when people rent games! Publishers have proclaimed that piracy is not the problem and the main problem is preowned. so these people should stfu about piracy
In ancient Aztec culture, child sacrifice was a regular occurence. It could be said from their perspective, "We've all killed a child at one point of time in our lives, whats the harm". You said, "everybody has stolen something at some point in their life.". Your point is? Justification? Does it make it right? Too many people make lazy-ass decisions because they either A: Don't know the ramifications and who is effected, or B: frankly could give a rat's ass. It's usually a mixture of both honestly. Piracy is theft, period.
Piracy = baby murder It all makes sense now.
Piracy will stop once the developers stop retailing a game at $75-80 a pop.With all the add-on crap that comes out thats what it amounts to.IDK bout yall but i prefer spending $5 over $65.
I do not condone piracy. That said, when it comes to piracy, it is an economic evaluation. Which would the individual rather spend, time or money? What are you getting for your time vs. what are you getting for your money? Not many people take the time to understand the motivations for piracy. Without understanding what motivates the pirates, one cannot effectively combat them. When it comes to DRMed content, some people would rather spend TIME (aka "pirating" to get a "free" version). Pirated versions of digital media usually lack DRM, meaning the persons who obtain them do not have to deal with copy limitations (i.e. the content is fully transportable), always on internet connections, or false positive DRM shutdowns (due to poor connectivity to activation servers or perhaps they changed the hardware in their PC recently and the previously generated DRM hash from the system is no longer valid). In essence, they have a copy of the content which they feel they truly own and can do what they want with. Contrast that to people who spend money for DRMed content. They have to deal with copy limitations, false positive shutdowns and in some cases are required to incur extra expenses (such as an internet connection, which isn't 100% reliable and may cause them to be locked out) to play the content they just "purchased". On top of all of these hassles, they are told they don't actually own the copies of the content but have purchased a "license" that can be revoked by the content producer at any time. Most individuals believe that when they purchase items, excluding some subscriptions and services, there is an implied transfer of ownership. Digital media should be no exception. When one purchases a song, movie or game, it is understood that the individual is not purchasing the original content, but a standalone copy of the content. Even the courts implicitly acknowledge this when they reject EULA agreement breaches. My contention has always been that if in order to combat piracy, the correct course of action is to eliminate DRM and keep your price low. DRM adds little to the cost but, more importantly, it is the inconvenience and implied lack of ownership to the end user that makes it so terribly unattractive. Of course, the illusion of control it gives content producers often makes them do dumb things. To keep prices low, one must keep costs low. Wherever possible, use patent free technology in products or if patented technology must be used, try to use royalty free patented technology. Software patents are the number one driver of software development costs. The litigation if sued, the royalty and licensing fees, determining just who owns the patents; it all adds up. Most software patents are invalid on their faces due to lack of understanding on the government's part. Software oftentimes seeks to visually present abstract concepts which themselves cannot be patented. Software is HIGHLY derivative from previous works. Given the explosive growth in the software industry and the difficulty in determining the patentability of software, many patents have been granted that shouldn't have. The only way to reverse these "bad" patents is through a challenge in court, which impose very hefty costs to both sides of the lawsuit. I believe in eliminating IP laws altogether, but too many people have been ingrained with the notion that IP laws give "the little guy" a chance against big business. I don't want to go into that argument here, but there are numerous resources that explore the pros and cons of IP and I have decided that IP is more con than pro. Anyway, to sum it all up, make it cheap and easy, as well as of good quality, for the consumer and you will give them little reason to avoid or pirate your goods.
All consoles officially pirated now not only the xbox. games still selling well though.I buy my games for at least 20$ yet others download them for free. but I do not care that much if you ask me.as long as I own my original games.
I'm still laughing that all of you that think pirating is stealing or theft. It isn't. Theft is the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permenantly of its possession. That isn't the case with downloading, the dev and publisher still have complete control over their product. A download does not equal a lost sale. The people who pirate game were more than likely never going to buy it. So in reality the devs lose nothing more than a potential sale. Devs lose a potential sale if I read a bad review for a qame too. You see the RIAA and MPAA claiming the piracy is killing their industries while they have been growing every year they say it. The movie industry sets record box office numbers every year. Downloading isn't killing anything any more than the xerox machine, VCR, or Cassette deck that came before it. I await the disagrees and attacks on my bubbles. Good day.
That piracy does not fit the definition of theft. Theft would be the taking of the original work. However, the content producer DID spend time creating said content. The content producer would like to get paid for their labor. I don't mind paying to enjoy the fruits of someone's labor, but the price has to be reasonable and I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to enjoy it, hence my anti-DRM stance. I also believe that when I buy a copy of some digital media, that copy is mine and under my total control. I agree that a download does not equal a lost sale. However, if an individual uses a service (like online capabilities) with a pirated copy of a game, that IS a real loss for the developer and/or publisher because the cost of the service was included in the price, which the pirate did not pay. I agree with the rest about the RIAA, etc.
If this generation has taught me anything, it's that people will dick you over any way they can - and I doubt piracy has anything to do with it. How much DLC out there do you think was left out of finished games, only to be sold a week after release for $10? Didn't Mafia 2 just do something like that? What are we paying for when we buy Xbox Live? Anyway, I hope Call of Duty is able to break even this November...
For some people on this planet there is no other way to get new content (games, movies, tv shows) than to pirate. I exclude those people from the following observation (I was there at one point in my life and it ain't fun). To the rest, who have a job (or their parents have jobs) and have the possibility to buy the games locally or order them online, but can not afford to pay 60+ $ or EUR and think that this gives them carte blanche to pirate I have one word: platinum. If you can't afford it now, don't pirate. Wait for it to come down in price and buy it. In the meanwhile read a book or two. For those who can afford games at such ridiculous prices and still pirate, I have two words: f you. And for those who think that pirating is hurting the industry and see this as a logical reason for skyrocketing prices I have two sentences: Wake up slave! Go read something and stop believing every single word you swallow from the mainstream media.
But by publishers who know idiots will pay RRP for any rubbish produced. I'm not for piracy, but if everybody got over their self centred need to play every game as soon as it's released, and waited a month or two for the price to fall, games would be cheaper, and people would enjoy them a whole lot more.
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