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EA Buckles Under Pressure, Removes Taliban from MoH

Kotaku Writes: "Responding to pressure from friends and families of fallen soldiers, Electronic Arts today said they are removing the Taliban as playable characters from their upcoming military shooter Medal of Honor." (Industry, Medal of Honor, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

Update Title of the original article changed, specifically says "Playable Taliban," not all Taliban in the entire game.

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zootang  +   1954d ago
I have just lost interest in this game. What ever happened to creative freedom. Censorship FTL!
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TROLL EATER  +   1954d ago
EA hasnt got balls
Winter47th  +   1954d ago
"EA Buckles Under Pressure, Removes Taliban from MoH"
So we'll play against "ze Germanz" again.
deafwing  +   1954d ago
meh .. they'll just call them ..
Caliban ... and we'll all know who they mean.
nycredude  +   1954d ago
This is what is wrong with this world. All it was is a freaking name, and everyone is up in arms and criticizing the game. All they did was change the name and now everything is cool. Goes to show how much of a non issue it was in the first place. The only thing people care about is getting their voice heard, fvcking media whores.

This wasn't about the Taliban or anything but free publicity for those complaining.
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Longrod_Von_Hugendon  +   1954d ago
All they did was change the name from Taliban to opposing force. And because of that you decided that this game no longer has any value whatsoever? GTFO troll.

This changes nothing. EA should have stood their ground but at the same time it's just a game. The people who lost sons/daughters are going through a traumatic time right now so I understand.

We still have our game and it's still coming out on the 12th so I don't really care about anything else.


Oh my god you've been denied your rights and freedoms...REVOLT! HUR DURR

This is a non-issue.
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zootang  +   1954d ago

Sorry I don't support censorship. I like freedoms. You bend over and let the man stick it to you!

Side note: I've gone nuts.
UnwanteDreamz  +   1954d ago
I love how people who don't play games get to dictate what is in them. I will start a Taliban Clan. (in game) No women allowed!!!!!
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jakethesnake  +   1954d ago
Sorry, but this isn't censorship, it's just caving to market pressure. Censorship is when someone is prevented or forbidden from releasing something. No one forced them to do anything, they were just afraid of losing a lot of money and so made a business decision to make a simple name change.

I think the whole controversy is lame, but don't call it censorship when it is a free choice by EA. I hate censorship, and frankly, this ain't it.
RedDead  +   1954d ago
Too bad, I would have bought the game just to support their iron(now copper) balls....too bad
DarkTower805  +   1954d ago
@ Longrod_Von_Hugendon,
You say this changes nothing? I think this changes everything. Having Taliban is whan seperated MOH from all other FPS games. Calling them OpFor is totally different, any enemy force is OpFor, Taliban was a specific faction. Now its basically a COD clone, with nothing to distinguish it from other COD or BFBC games. I expect a lot of sales to be lost as I'm sure the word will spread quickly.
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evrfighter  +   1954d ago
that's too bad. Just too bad. I would cancel my pre-order if I paid full price. I paid $29.99 so I'll stick with it.

As stupid as it sounds. Gamers will lose a lot of respect for you if you start bowing down to "The Man".
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kancerkid  +   1954d ago
The Killer  +   1954d ago
way to go for american freedom
they say its not censorship, yet they put big pressure on them to remove their freedom.

the mosque in Manhattan legally allowed yet they are pressuring them to not build it for pathetic reasons that yet no proof that any Muslim was involved in it.

i tell u something guys, pressure can be more powerful than laws in many cases!!

pressure made Pakistan give up their allies the Taliban!! pressure made many countries bend over for American instruction!
finbars75  +   1954d ago
WTF they got balls.The taliban isnt totally taken out of the game.You guy in this room are hypricates.One minute you see the awsome gameplay from the game and say I cant wait to buy this game then they remove some of the taliban from the game and oh they have no balls.Love to see you do a better job at creating a game that has consequnces around it and see how you manage.Bunch of PU%%ies on this site.The game is still going to be great regardless.Just go and play your Black ops ans see how many plagued things will go on in this game and then you will say the same thing about tryearch(NO BALLS EITHER)fake ass gammers on n4g now a days.This isnt about freedom of speech but freedom to make choices in life.Do I play this game now that they took some of the taliban out or should I just pass on this because they supposdley buckled.PLzzzzzz.
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AndrewRyan  +   1954d ago
Americans vs. Taliban are bad? How about the fucking Nazis who would fucking put jews in god damn gas chamber or even fucking torture them to death and steal from them and fucking set them on fire? Is that okay? Oh of course it is because we allow that but not some fucking desert terrorists who bombed a couple places around the world which is fucking horrible yes, but the Nazis killed around 6 million jews and yet we get to play games where the Nazis win in multiplayer! Great! This makes perfect sense!
paintsville  +   1954d ago
Hmmm. I understand the discontent from the families and such, but videogames are a medium much like newspapers, magazines, art, tv, and therefore should be protected under "freedom" of speech. I am disappointed in the move by EA.
SilentNegotiator  +   1954d ago
"I have just lost interest in this game"

Frankly, I have no intention to support a product of creative media that buckles under the pressure from people who aren't their intended audience.
Zydake  +   1954d ago
Wow not even the creators of south park pussied out and they were threatened to be killed
Defective Bot  +   1954d ago
First Six days To Fallujah, now this?
See this is what I don't fucking get, they whined because you had the option of playing as the Taliban but they didn't fucking realize that you also play against the Taliban. If anything Fighting against the Taliban should have been a huge selling point as it's being patriotic since you're fighting against America's real life enemy and not some generic doppelganger like many games have. Fucking conservative pussies. I was going to buy the game day one, even though I knew it wasn't going to be that great, just because of EA's bravery to swim against the tide but now I'm just going to wait until It's $20. Still buying NFSHP though.
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RememberThe357  +   1954d ago
Wow lets all jump on the "I hate EA bandwagon"...
You call them pussies? For what? When the mother of a dead soldier gives you a call and asks you to remove something that she feels is in sensitive, your going to listen. Like Goodrich says, they earned their right to be heard. This isn't about censorship, this is about respect and honor. It seems however, that many of you don't understand these concepts and therefore I'm wasting my time...

And bubbles to Longrod for telling it like it is and not and not succumbing to ignorance.

@below: I get your point, but this not about logic. This is about people from our culture who have lost family members to preserve that culture. My point is not the get into whether what we do over seas is right or not. The point is that this game is made for Americans not the Taliban. If it was made for the Taliban, we'd see the same thing but in reverse.

"People die. Get over it." Sorry I can't do that, I have a heart. And frankly the fact that you would write that shows that you are a heartless person for you haven't had much death in your life.

I think it's pretty sad that you could see the tears of a mother who has lost her son and basically tell her to shove it.I was raised differently, I respect peoples opinions and emotions even if I don't agree with them.

Not all of these people are the bible thumping Fox News types. Many are regular people who, like you and me, expressed their opinion on the matter.

I don't agree with this at all, but I respect their reasoning. And the fact that you cannot show the same respect shows your past the point of providing any positive input into any kind of community.
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kancerkid  +   1954d ago

I would not remove content in a game just because someone asked me to. They is no difference between playing as the Taliban or playing as US soldiers. Both sides kill people. Both sides have and will kill innocent people. What is someone lobbied for them to take out the US soldiers because it dishonored them supporting the Taliban. The argument would have the same logic, and thus, in your case, the argument would still hold.

People die. Get over it. if these people can't discern pixels from reality, they are well passed the point of providing positive input into the gaming community.
DeadIIIRed  +   1954d ago
This situation is how you would define irony. A few soldiers fight and die to defend our freedoms and consequently their families use their deaths to pressure a publisher to omit certain aspects of a game. I personally don't like hearing news like this only because it can open a floodgate of similar incidences and spill into other markets.
Defective Bot  +   1954d ago
"'People die. Get over it.' Sorry I can't do that, I have a heart. And frankly the fact that you would write that shows that you are a heartless person for you haven't had much death in your life. "

No that's call being a mature adult, people do die every day, that's a part of life so accept it and move on. Only a kid would cry for every single person that dies in the world. For every person that leaves this world, another one is born in their place and those that left go on to a better place.
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RememberThe357  +   1954d ago
Defective Bot
I don't disagree. But you also cannot expect a mother or father to just shrug off the death of their child either. When my friends or family die I don't shrug it off, it bothers me. I believe in life after death, I believe that when you die your gone. So when someone I love is gone and no longer experiencing life, it bothers me.

You want to talk about being mature adult? Respect and honor are corner stones to that. EA has show both and yet we have a bunch of people on their case about it. It's immature and pathetic.
Dee_91  +   1954d ago
idgaf what they are called
i just wanna shoot people
no reason to "cancel preorders" or not buy the game
thats dumb
UnwanteDreamz  +   1954d ago
With all do respect, I think you are wrong. People are offended for all types of reasons. We as a society must do our best to protect art and free expression. Like a nude portrait of a woman, if you don't want to see then dont look. No one would be forcing her to play this game. What about TV shows and movies that depict Americans dying in war? What about books? Is she upset and calling for that to stop? I had a child die in my arms and It had a huge impact on me but I wouldn't try to keep something like that from being refferenced or dramatised even if I wouldn't want to see it or hear about it.
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BISHOP-BRASIL  +   1954d ago

"All it was is a freaking name"

And one 90% os the people in the world don't fully understand what mean/is.
SkyGamer  +   1954d ago
I like how everyone preaches freedom and other bs but you still vote for democratics government that abuses their power and takes OH SO much freedom away from us. If you think this is bad, this is nothing compared to what goes on in Congress. Intead of worrying about a "Video Game" why don't you worry about your ACTUAL civil liberties about to become vaporware.
lonix  +   1954d ago
You mean
Its a towlie ban
comp_ali  +   1954d ago
free speech ass
Not buying this game.
rezzah  +   1954d ago
Free speech was always controlled by the government. Sure you can say whatever you want, but when you start to say things that they personally dont like you get a gun to your head.
Ares84PS3  +   1954d ago
Exaclty rezzah
There is two ways they do it. One (communism, fascism and other dictator ships) they tell you if you say this or that you will be arrested and/or killed. The other (democratic, republic and other "free" nations) they tell you to say whatever you like because you are free, but what they don't tell you and it's in the small letter section is if you do you will get arrested and/or killed.

So they are both the same really but one tells you straight up and the other doesn't.

You can say whatever you wan anywhere on this planet because you do have that freedom but you must face the consiquences of said words no matter where you are.
RedDead  +   1954d ago
Yeah but atleast there is some rebels who are willing to use free speech like it should be used, I thought this game would be the first to do it. Too bad Ea buckled under the pressure and yet again gaming get's as* fu**ed by the media. But it's ok if films use the taliban???
Kleptic  +   1954d ago
you guys are making a big deal out of nothing...You had to see this coming...

its not 'free speech' or anything like that...its people directly involved with what the taliban represents...that DON'T want them glorified...thats why simply changing the name makes it ok...

If you play in multiplayer as a 'taliban soldier' WILL 'kill' allied forces...unless you absolutely suck at the game...and thats the message these people don't want coming across...and as retarded as our youth seems to be right now, I can't really come up with an argument to 'they can handle it'...the taliban are not fictional sci-fi characters...they are 100% real bad guys...that are really killing people right now...I am actually surprised they left it alone for this long...

I guess its different with 'historical' WWII titles...but even most of those would never put the players as 'nazis'...they would just title it off like 'germans' or 'axis'...but the big difference is that the 'good guys' won that war...We've done shit to the taliban more or less, because they don't really have a goal in the first place...just kill American forces, and rape their own woman and children...which they are doing just fine...

I say fuck 'em...the less headlines the taliban gets the better...too bad this whole mess gave them more attention than if they would have just left the game alone in the first place...But to say that EA are pussies because they gave in to the wishes of fallen soldiers' families is simply the press release points out...they are the only voices that matter in this...if they don't want it, then don't do they said, it doesn't change the game at all...

most of the people on this site have never even fired a real gun...and I'm not soap boxing saying i'm so much more enlightened about war and its ramifications...only that our opinions on a matter such as this are irrelevant...we are just a bunch of people wanting to play a video game, we don't matter...
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Iraq Resistance ROM  +   1954d ago
you are stupid and full of stupidity!

Taliban the bad guys? maybe for you but not many nations in the world including Afghanistan!

Taliban don't have goals? maybe u were watching Disney land when they were reporting what the leader of Taliban wanted!

who is the leader of Taliban and whats his goals?

watch this:
ZombieNinjaPanda  +   1954d ago

Video game. If you cannot play as the Taliban in a video game, then I believe it's all fair that every single War Movie that's going to come out in the future have the Taliban removed.

Cuz ya know, that's all fair.
Panthers  +   1954d ago
Its not like they couldnt do it, they just think it will hurt sales. Its not like they dont have the free speech to do this, but when you exercise free speech, you have a chance to offend people. They are not being forced to change, they are doing it because they are worried from a business standpoint.
Panthers  +   1954d ago
And you act like you speak for all of Afghanistan. Many people there are against the Taliban. And YES they are the bad guys. They use civilians as shields and are no different than Terrorists. They just want power and control over the people.
RedDead  +   1954d ago
@ iraq resistance

It's the way they go about it that makes them the "bad" guys but I also agree the US are twats for their current standpoint and the media making them the "good" guy's, they're not the good guys. They
Fu** up to much to be considered the "good" guys by people who actually think instead of believing the media.

And Panther, that's the point. You shoot US/british soldiers in other games. They worry for their sales? Who's fault is that, the US army banned it from barracks etc didn't they. They lose sales for something they shouldn't lose sales for.
RememberThe357  +   1954d ago
"you are stupid and full of stupidity!"

That sentence right there makes you a complete hypocrite.

Zombie: That doesn't make any sense. The problem was not that the Taliban are depicted in the game, it's that they may have had a platform to be glorified. Did anyone actually read the article?
theonlylolking  +   1954d ago
Games should have censor like on tv so these crazzy peeps dont go crying.
Shackdaddy836  +   1954d ago
The annoying thing is that those people who complained are still not going to buy the game and will still try to ban it. Therefore no one wins.
Ares84PS3  +   1954d ago
Shackdaddy836 you are very right.
It is disgusting to me that these people complain about something they have no idea about and will never in a million years buy the product but still want it to be destroyed.

Well, I don't care abot bikes. Let's ban bikes because thousnads die every year do to bike accidesnts. What about their families??

Supid argument is stupid and stupidity won in this one. It's sad.
Ocelot525  +   1954d ago
conservative america wins this round...
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Jack-Pyro  +   1954d ago
They may have won the battle....
But we shall yet win the war!
krisq  +   1954d ago
"we have decided to rename the opposing team in Medal of Honor multiplayer from Taliban to Opposing Force."

They've just changed the name. Sucks though.
nickjkl  +   1954d ago
wait a minute so changing the name makes everything better WHAT THE FUCK im gong to go yell into my pillow for a min
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Qui-Gon Jim  +   1954d ago
I think that might offend my pillow. Maybe you should yell into your "sleep headrest" instead.
SSKILLZ  +   1954d ago
Lmao, yeah I guess it does.
mugoldeneagle03  +   1954d ago
Yeah this sucks
I was probably going to rent this anyway, as my Fall "must buy" list is already pushing 6+ games, but I kind of feel bad for EA. I have a feeling this game gets tore apart in reviews, and for all the wrong reasons.


Airport execution scene in MW2 didn't change those 9.5 scores from huge sites, I'm hoping MoH doesn't get the shaft for including realistic elements like this. I mean, it's basically the same thing, no?

And I loved the MoH games back in the day. Only other online shooter I played for PS2 other than SOCOM I-CA. Really hoping this first release jump started the series, and I still do.

Sadly, I think it will be overlooked this year
talltony  +   1954d ago
This isnt a big deal
They are not changing the way the taliban looks. they are just changing what the game calls them which is "opposing force"
FFXI101  +   1954d ago
I agree with you...
Sure it feels like a letdown but if you like the game like I do(I'm still getting the game) then it really won't matter that much what they called.

Cause you know the enemy ARE the "Taliban" I mean would anyone stop playing Halo:Reach if they were name the enemy something else? or does it matter what the enemy is called in SOCOM or in CoD?

I think most company under the same circumstance would make the same decision like EA did. We know it we may not like it but that doesn't stop me from playing/enjoy the game.
Alcohog  +   1954d ago
They won't change anything, they will probably just be 'terrorists' instead of 'Taliban'.
chilled2m  +   1954d ago
Orrr, you could read the article and find out what they really called them.
gman_moose  +   1954d ago
People complain about everything in the US. Someone would complain if you chewed the same brand of gum that their kid choked on.

I don't see how putting Taliban into a video game dishonours the memory of fallen soldiers at all. People are just way too sensitive.

I'm surprised they didn't change the emergency phone number to "912" after the 9/11 attacks.
Christopher  +   1954d ago
I can see why they did it, they're a business that relies on making money and therefore making people happy to buy their products.

Personally, this is BS. What about those people who have been killed by American soldiers? I didn't see these people standing up and complaining about a game that depicts soldiers killing people that look like them or are from their country.

This is the ridiculousness of American media, honestly.
Kleptic  +   1954d ago
more than anything EA wants medal of honor to stand toe to toe with call of duty like it used to...but they seemingly don't want to do it by becoming the 'controversial ip' alternative to cod...

brand image is tricky right now...and EA is probably fully aware of their rise in consumer minds due to Kotick basically running Activision straight into the gutter (not financially...yet...just in the minds of the public)...

So now more than ever is where EA wants to make as many people 'like' them as possible...its unlikely that the people complaining about this are even interested in buying the game in the first the issue goes a whole lot deeper than if this will all effect sales of the title...if anything it will actually help it i more and more people are hearing about the game for free now...
pangitkqb  +   1954d ago
I'm sad to see EA crumble and I'm sad that the world is so over sensitive. The politically correct can kiss my ass.
ThatsGaming  +   1954d ago
This is plain stupid. In GTA you can kill cops and innocent people (and are encouraged to), but you can't play the Taliban in a war game based on modern events? WTF?

It's morally alright to make movies like Scarface, Godfather, Saw, Seven, Natural Born Killers, etc. that give glorify criminal doings, and give people ideas on the best ways to commit crimes, but it is considered morally wrong to shoot up coalition forces in a game of which they will never want to particpate in? WTF?
danielle007  +   1954d ago
People didn't want any of the GTAs around either. R* just never gave in. That's literally the only difference.

Plus, the difference between movies and video games is that conservative America still thinks that video games are for kids, and sure, some are, but games like this are not. They don't bother to learn the industry, they just want to condemn it all.

Plus, it's also completely different, because people have lost family members due to this war recently.. So, I don't know. I'm completely on the fence about this. I don't like that EA had to fold, but I also am not sure that having the Taliban as playable characters when - you know - people are still recovering from the recent loss of their loved ones because of this nonsense was the best idea ever.. And, if a simple name change makes it all better for all of those people who are in pain and are grieving, then why not do it?

I kind of think that this was the right way to go. It's not like it's just conservative America being like OHMYGOD THE CHILDREN. PROTECT THE CHILDREN. even though the game was never marketed to children. These are grieving people who lost their family member or friend because of this. There are worse things in the world than making a tiny change to make someone feel an ounce better in those situations.
Ravenor  +   1954d ago
It's not EA's job to make anyone feel better and it's not really my problem if someone is having a tough time with something. If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't pay attention to it and don't suggest it. That simple.
Kleptic  +   1954d ago
^^while pretty much anyone would agree with're ignorant to think it really is 'that simple' just doesn't work like that...

The political side of this is whats the most its the overall liberal movement of america that caused us to 'care about others feelings' so much in the first place...Don't call homosexuals names, don't call black people the n-word even if they do it to themselves repeatedly, don't punish people if they don't speak English, Don't push religion anywhere but in a church, etc. etc. etc (I'm speaking of America's changes since the 50's, not that I feel these things should have stayed the same, just overall whats changed since our grandparents were kids)....yet its 'conservative America' thats condemning a video game like this because you can play as real bad guys?...I'm as lost as anyone...and i'm not taking sides...

the double sided nature of politics in general are to an overall liberal nation we are supposed to be able to do what we want...but 'anything we want' has to fall into a category that doesn't negitively effect other people obviously...and when it happens, the only thing people care about is which political side to blame it on...

and America will piss around with this kind of thing for as long as we are all alive, and then some...So don't try to understand it...just be aware of its fundamental flaws...and understand what causes reactions, and what will come of won't be surprised nearly as often...
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visualb  +   1954d ago
well, creative freedom is still unharmed
this was EA trying not to step on anyone's toes.

I have to say though, its a same. they should be allowed to call them what ever they want.
then again, its just the name, its not a big deal
+ everyone KNOWS its the taliban (if they play the game, and see the enemy models (which are talibans) then when playing multiplayer they will make the association

its just not CALLED that, not a big deal
Qui-Gon Jim  +   1954d ago
In a way, this illustrates the beauty of a free society.
EA has the right to keep it the way they had it, but have decided to change it. They have that right, too. In a free society people can say anything they want, and societal norms and the right to express the opposing view keep things in check. The outcome isn't always what you want it to be, nor should it be, because everyone has a say. I disagree with the people who complained about the game, but those people have spoken and EA has chosen to honor their wishes. At the end of the day EA, as a publisher, are out to make money, and to do that they need to sell as many copies as they can.
cyborg6971  +   1954d ago
This is bullshit. A lot of bad press was brought on by that mother of a fallen soldier. And guess what if he didn't know what he was getting himself into when he signed up he shouldn't have done that. The bleeding hearts, conservatives Christians can go fuck themselves. They are stagnant non progressive dreamers that hold the human race back.
Megaton  +   1954d ago
Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Thanks for buckling to those who wish to dictate the things you create, and set the industry back. Great job, EA.
AKS  +   1954d ago
I'm not supporting this. MoH is now off my radar. I love DICE and wanted to buy their game, but EA's bitch move cancelled this sale for me. They were supposedly working closely with current special operation forces to ensure that it was more accurate. I am disgusted that EA caved, especially so close to release. BTW, I'm a former US Marine and think the whining about a lack of sensitivity is horse$h!t. Where were these guys with the "Remember 9/11" stickers on the back of their pickup trucks when everyone was clamoring to send me into Kosovo or Bosnia? "Ah, they knew the risks...send in the ground troops!" No one gave a damn in the mid to late 90's about me and my friends who were willing to risk our lives if need be.

You want to "support and honor the troops?" Try making sure all of the massive defense budget doesn't go to greedy war profiteer executives like the crooks at Halliburton. Protest and write letters to politicians who cut VA benefits. Don't send them into wars that have no basis. Pay attention to the news so friends of mine in active duty don't have to spend their meager pay buying armor for Hummers so their friends won't get shot to hell.

Do these clownshoe idiots really think censoring a video game is the most important issue that will help veterans? So many vital issues impacting the military are completely ignored by the general public.
Panzerkanzler  +   1954d ago
The (AMERICAN) families who lost their kids go through a hard time right now? REALLY? And the families of all those thousands of civilians the American army has slaughtered, what about them? If anything the US forces should be called "The invaders" because after all, we can't have the true name a savage military force who condone torture and widespread killings of civilians, can we?! You fucking one eyed American nationalist.
TradingWarStories  +   1954d ago
This is the biggest load of BALLS! As a Muslim myself I believe this is just BULL. What about the Iraqi's and Afghani's that have had their family shot, blown and tortured in what the American's call COLLATERAL DAMAGE. F'in Bull.

Either way hopefully it will be a good game.
frostypants  +   1954d ago
Censorship is only a problem when it's involuntary.

They did this VOLUNTARILY. The masses complained, they determined that the bad PR wasn't worth it, so they removed it.

It's called capitalism. You need to complain louder if you want them to put it back.
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BeOneWithTheGun  +   1954d ago
This is not censorship. They are not being "forced" to remove them. This is called a business decision to make more money. No one is saying they CAN'T leave them in the game. They are CHOOSING to remove them.
Scary69  +   1954d ago
Well even though the change the name to opposing forces we know what they mean *eg* I will still refer the "opposing forces" as TALIBAN b*tch*s. Still buying this game don't give a hoot about the whiners.
RustInPeace  +   1954d ago
WHAT!? (typed before I read the article, but only from initial shock of title)
What the hell kind of decision was that? It's one thing to just come under fire because of something "controversial", but it's another to compromise your creative integrity. Blame this on all sensationalist media outlets that attacked a game because of "slow" or "no news" days. I understand some would argue " It's too soon to put the Taliban in a game as playable characters" (if you were informed, it was ONLY a multiplayer SKIN, NOT ANYTHING ELSE!), but what else were they going to do? This was a "modern" scenario for the game, so what are they going to put in instead, Russians again? I'm not Russian personally, but if you think about it, shouldn't Russians be in an uproar about most FPS games where they're ALWAYS the antagonists? LAME MOVE, EA! (game would have sold anyway because of the GAMERS, NOT Fox News or any other media that attacked this)
*EDIT* I just read the story.... Opposing Forces? Sooooo.... the "fix" was just changing the name of the known enemy into an unknown "Opposing Force"? Why even waste development time? My heart goes out to the families of the fallen, but you think a simple name change will fix everything? I actually see this as an insult to fallen soldiers, making the enemy that they gave their lives to fight against an unidentified force. Weak.
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Alvadr  +   1954d ago
Its called respect- They spoke to the families of fallen soldiers and they didnt want them in the game.

In my opinion theres nothing wrong with having the Taliban in the game, we would all like to shoot the face off some of the scum of the earth.. The problem comes from allowing you to play as them!! It was a stupid move by EA in the first place.

People whining and moaning about freedom of speech need to get off their pedestal and understand that EA are a business, they are trying to make money off real events that affecting peoples lives today.

Imagine your friend or loved one being murdered, now how would you feel if they released a video game a few months later where you can have fun playing as that murderer because a big corporation can make money from it. Does it seem right now?

I have a friend in Afghanistan right now and I know for a fact he would have totally disapproved.
hennessey86  +   1954d ago
it might upset the cock bregade they do my head in. there the same wankers who tell counsils not to put christmas trees up incase it offends people. it them who cause racial tension not racists
pixelsword  +   1954d ago
So how is Fox news complaining about this okay and Reporters complaining about Resident Evil 5 not okay?

If they changed the locale from Africa and called it "Island Country" a lot of people would be complaining about it, but changing the word "Taliban" to "opposing force" is peachy-king...

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xAlmostPro  +   1954d ago
agreed, i have just lost alot of respect for EA..
mobijoker  +   1954d ago
It has just lost the factor that was making it distinct from other fps.Sorry EA!I see no point in buying your game coz this is just another fps.
MidnytRain  +   1954d ago
agreed i just have 1 question
How far will we go to accommodate our games for people who don't even play them?
MidnytRain  +   1954d ago
agreed, i just have 1 question
How far will we go to accommodate our games for people who don't even play them?
dragunrising  +   1954d ago
Once you give the enemy a real name, the conflict becomes more real. In that sense, immersion may take a small hit. However, I find it morally suspect to play as the Taliban in multiplayer. Why would anyone? They are evil and will never rest until they take Afganistan back into the Dark Ages. Regardless, giving the Taliban a generic/non-offending name makes killing allied forces less morally troubling. In Modern Warfare, the enemy for the most part are the Russians, whom are not inherantly bad but enemies regardless. Its easier to disassociate killing either "side" on account neither is truely evil. People have went to war for centuries and it truely is horrible, however, the Taliban are polarizing. The Taliban are universally seen as an evil force and playing as them is unconcionable for many people.
thePatriot  +   1954d ago
dont worry
You will get it as DLC
Organization XII  +   1954d ago
falling soldiers my ass, F&*^ you EA, im not interested in your game anymore..a bunch of sissies
The_Claw  +   1954d ago
isnt it funny how these "friends and families of fallen soliders" succeeded in stripping away the very rights and freedoms their sons and daughters gave their lives for? kinda ironic dont ya think?
RageAgainstTheMShine  +   1954d ago
This is not censorship!
OTOH just slap the word "Terrorists" there problem solved!
That will make those politicians happy.
jay2  +   1954d ago
Oh my god, seriously, So it's ok for everyone else's countries sodiers to be killedr in a game. But these nasty people can't do it, I mean come on the US conplained about it, and people think that's fair enough, but what about the Taliban families who've lost their dads, sons, brothers and husbands. Mayb we should just stop making these game (which I detest and won't even play a free demo of for at a friends home.)
Taggart451  +   1954d ago
It's only just a name change. During the multiplayer portion of the game, players will be able to play as the "Opposing Force," not the Taliban. Everything else in the game will remain.
r0gueZA  +   1954d ago
What...that shocking!

I cant believe they would listent to the complainers
theonlylolking  +   1954d ago
Opposing force sounds like a bad name for a enemy.

Why couldnt they just rename them to this

Guys that look like taliban but aren't
e-p-ayeaH  +   1954d ago
So the singleplayer is suddendly shorter lmao
alphakennybody  +   1954d ago
and finally america deals a decisive blow against the taliban...oh wait this is just a game not the real talies.
Natsu X FairyTail  +   1954d ago
WELP! EA pussied OUT!
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Redrum059  +   1954d ago
i was reading your comment and hit the "agree" in the middle of reading. as soon as i did, your comment changed, and was unable to finish reading your whole comment.

theonlylolking  +   1954d ago
Games lost this round but its not over yet. Get ready for the next one.
gamerdude132  +   1954d ago
That's pathetic, EA. I had expected to kill Taliban, not "Opposing Force". Who does EA think it is? A Half-Life expansion? I thought they had balls until they did this. It's only a name change, but goes through to my views of the game. Pussies.
HeroXIV  +   1954d ago
I honestly thought EA were going through with it. I mean... Why not actually go through with it, there hasn't really been much controversy in mainstream media.

(FOX got hold of it, but ask your family/friends/dudes on the street if they've heard about MoH having the Taliban as playable characters)
lodossrage  +   1954d ago
You know that isn't right
So all those games with germans, koreans, etc are ok right? Not to mention the many movies that depict the war

Welcome to Double Standards.

I can understand why EA took them out because of all the bad press they're getting....but I REALLY wish they took a stand on this one and kept the Taliban in because this is an attack on creative freedom.
Sarick  +   1954d ago
It was more then bad press.
From my understanding a few large retailers refused to stock or sell this game. From a busyness prospective if the retailers and shops won't sell your product the it loses possible sales. They're making games to sell for a profit not their ability express creative freedom.

Retailers have a right to choose what products they sell and if they choose to not sell your product you lose sells. If this is because some minor name change in playable character names then the smart choice would be to remove that controversy completely.

EA took the controversy out to protect their sells. If you're selling something like poo-poo cakes do you think people would by them. Psychologically people would be repulsed by their name. A simple name change to YumYum Cakes could boost sells. So the obvious choice is to go with what generates the most profit even if you have to deviate from original plans.

What would you do if you was losing money over something that could easily be fixed?
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lodossrage  +   1954d ago
I understand that
I'm just saying this is a double standard.

How do Veterans of the Vietnam war or WW2 feel about all those war games based on those two wars? Nobody gave a damn about that. But because they use a modern enemy people want to whine. Retailers had NO issue with selling boatloads of those ww2 games

As I said man, I can understand EA's reasoning for talking that out. It's just someone NEEDS to stick up for freedom of speech and creativity is all.
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Sarick  +   1954d ago
I see what you're saying , yes it's a double standard when you explain it like that. Your first post didn't explain what the double standard was. This I agree entirely.

It seems a rule of thumb stands where the public is intolerant of recent tragedies. They need at least 20 years before society tolerates them enough to avoid wide spread disapproval.
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Crystallis  +   1954d ago
Oh wow. I'd didnt think they go as far as remove parts or names from the game.
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NoNeedForAName  +   1954d ago
Wow...I really was considering buying this game but not now. Way to prove how pathetic you are EA. Good luck with next years Madden.
SoulMisaki  +   1954d ago
Point is
What everyone is assuming here is that they will be taking them out completely. They are only changing the ONE SCREEN that said Taliban, to say Opposing Force. Other than that, all the other screens will still say insurgents. And all this in only the multiplayer.

It doesn't change the game at all. So why is it influencing your buying it?
Ravenor  +   1954d ago
Then why was it so necessary in the first place? This isn't going to effect my decision to purchase MoH, but it certainly makes me wonder about people.
FAGOL  +   1954d ago
They did'nt remove the Taliban just the name. But they could of called it somthing better than the opposing force. How about Banannaliban?
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LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1954d ago
Death threats.
JustSomeLogic  +   1954d ago
No thats reserved for rating down a ps3 exclusive or going multiplatform
On topic though, EA do not have the beans anymore. They've lost my respect
rumplstilts  +   1954d ago
That's weak EA... I am dissapoint.
lucifon  +   1954d ago
It's only a name change. But man it sucks...finally someone had the balls to name it as it is then some people start whining and they change it back to the same name every other game pussyfoots around it with.
NewsForMe  +   1954d ago
I won't be buying this game now. It may just be a name change, but I won't support cowards that buckle under pressure.
jdktech2010  +   1954d ago
Yea, because it wasn't a good business decision. Wouldn't you be a coward by now buying it? You're letting those people that pressured EA totally win when we all know it's the Taliban and the Taliban will still be in the single player game.

I could care less whether I play as OpFor or Taliban in the multiplayer since it literally changes nothing but a name
Qui-Gon Jim  +   1954d ago
now labelled as "Opposing Force"?
Doesn't that really accentuate the pointlessness of the whole debate?
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Redempteur  +   1954d ago
now i want to know the reaction of that " mother" now ..i bet she will be overjoyed
spdarksky  +   1954d ago
Opposing Force...LAME!
What about in the single player campaign does still be called Taliban? What a piece of sh!t. EA no balls. PC Gamers...MOD MOD MOD MOD MOD MOD!
TheNocturnus  +   1954d ago
Seriously? I do feel bad for the families of fallen soldiers but it is just a game after all. EA I am very disappointed in you. Whats next? Calling The Raiders in Madden "Black Uniform Wearing Guys"? Or in Mass Effect calling the Geth "Cyberorganic Man-like Machine Automatons" Give me a F'n break.
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LightofDarkness  +   1954d ago
Seeing as they own the rights to call a Raider a Raider and the Geth aren't real and thus can't voice their discrimination concerns, that's not a very good analogy.
TheNocturnus  +   1954d ago
The Geth aren't real? Thanks man, I was having nightmares about their imminent invasion. That still doesn't change the fact that EA pussed out and listened to all of those complaining families. Ok since those were not good enough analogies how about these: Calling Nazis "Brainwashed Symbol Wearing Guys" or Japanese Kamikazis "Gravity Repelling Bomb Soldiers" or Random N4G Member "I have to point out copyright laws and reality to some guy being a smart ass, guy"
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LightofDarkness  +   1954d ago
Both of those would still be called "Opposing Force," technically. It is an umbrella pseudonym that can be applied to the entire enemy nomenclature that exists in games.

They may also use New World Order/NWO, Combine, Government, Black Ops etc. Honestly I don't care all too much either way, let the babies have their bottle. This doesn't change the game in any great way, if YOU still know what it is you're fighting as and who you're fighting against, does it really matter? You still know it's meant to be the Taliban, in the SP it's still the Taliban. All it means is that a very vocal minority will STFU and stop clouding the airwaves with their nonsense for a while, enjoying a small half-victory, while more people will be "allowed" to enjoy the game. In a few years this kind of idiocy towards gaming will cease as the older, less informed generation slowly die out.
TheNocturnus  +   1953d ago
Well said
You could not speak truer words my friend. I totally agree that when "our" generation gets to be the ones sitting in rocking chairs watching C-Span and yelling at kids to get off our lawn the world will be a more tolerant place to live. Not 10-15 years ago tattoos were still seen as degrading and unsightly, now 60 year old women are getting tramp stamps!
Simco876  +   1954d ago
I had a 15% chance of buying this game as it was, now its 0% chance.

I understand families of fallen soldiers and all that, but its just a game my god.
Fuggum  +   1954d ago
This is a bit pathetic
For shame, EA. For shame.
Saleem101  +   1954d ago
Freedom of speech means jack!!! It won't belong before videogames get banned... Oh yea Blackops killing koreans and you get kill fedal castro in game...
AssassinHD  +   1954d ago
I would pay $1 for a downloadable pack that would change the name back. Screw the whiners. I am so sick of people who get offended over things that really don't matter. People need to grow some thicker skin.
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mrcash  +   1954d ago
why not just give players the option to play as the taliban,or different terrorists that would keep everybody happy.
chilled2m  +   1954d ago
I don't necessarily agree with EA's decision to do this, but I do understand. For all of those that claim that EA "wimped out" due to the Taliban renaming while Japanese, Korean and Nazi soldiers are called by name; think about it this way. We are no longer in a war with any of these countries, while we are actively fighting in Afghanistan right now. The wounds are still fresh (literally and figuratively)
It's entirely possible that families of those who were lost in Afghanistan feel as though this is too soon. And I'd have to agree
Alvadr  +   1954d ago
Finally someone is actually mature and educated enough to give a decent response to this story.

EA have not been muzzeled into doing anything by the government/censorship parties.. What they are doing is out of respect.

Children crying and moaning on this site about creative work being ruined by over PC and loss of freedom of speech are missing the point entirely.
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MrChow666  +   1954d ago
lol just change the name and everything is fine haha what a joke
maxcer  +   1954d ago
yea its fucked up how our culture is so sensitive about a term that describes a group of people yet the guns, explosives and wartime mindset never get a second look. this also seems like a US only complaint, you never see complaints about american soldiers portrayal in these games.
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