Outspoken Twisted Metal and God of War developer David Jaffe is no stranger to ranting on his Twitter page, and today's topic is achievements and trophies. Here's what he had to say:
shut up and hurry with Twisted Metal
The guy deserves a break every now and then.
He hasn't done anything in god knows how long, he's had enough of a break.
you do know that most devs turned a hobby into a job right ?
I H8 Online/Multiplayer Trophies!
I think the majority of gamers who do trophies/achievements, don't really like to do the online ones. Mainly because it is boring but the most important thing is, you can't do it in your own time like single player. For example, i can't finish the online ones for fifa 09, since they shut down the servers. I wish Sony would improve trophies, add some more features to it and just generally polish the trophy support up (i.e, cut online trophies off the % count).
or extremely over the edge MP trophies. It gets tedious after a while spending over a week for ONE bronze trophy, just to find out you need to spend another 2 weeks for 1 silver MP trophy. Did anyone play singularity? Yeah, talk to me if you ever find a match in that game.
Yea, MP trophies are the worst. IMO, it should be for SP only. There's some games that you can't even get 1000/1000 on anymore becuase there's no online anymore. That's just ridiculous.
They should have MP trophies, but not have them count towards the Platinum. Or look at UC2, they had 2 MP trophies (play 1 co-op and 1 MP match) and then they had a bunch of in-game trophies for various things during the matches.
Do you really bother to platinum games like Singularity?
dont mind online achievements for things like leveling up, but anything which encourages boosting can seriously ruin online games like the demolition 2.0 achievement on bc2, suffered so many team kills from people trying to demolish buildings
Sadly, a lot of games don't have a long online lifespan unless they're mainstream. It's kind of funny, yet Bioshock 2 has people playing at all hours and it's been out longer, yet in Singularity, I could only get games during "primetime" (after work hours). Thankfully, I finished the mp while it was still "active" lol
I agree with his points. Personally, I don't even look at trophies until after I beat the game because I want to enjoy the game for what it is without being distracted by trophies. After I beat the game, then I look at the trophies and decide if I want to go for the platinum. Multi player trophies should not count towards the platinum like the DLC trophies do it.
Yep, I tend to look at trophies only after I play the game. And as for his question on trophies unlocking after the first play through, Heavy Rain did it after each chapter during the loading screen. Not exactly after you beat the game, but seeing as they had every trophy hidden pretty much, you didn't know what or when you would get anything unless you went online to look.
I love getting that ding on the ps3 letting me know I have recieved a trophy because its a reward for completing a specific task and makes you feel good but I rarely seek them out.. I just play through the game and if I unlock a trophy then great but I only ever seek them out whenever I have come dangerously close to acheiving a platinum trophy.. Those are the real testament to your prowess as a gamer and I personally only have 3.. I'm at 94% in batman arkham asylum but I can't seem to get the trophy for free flow perfection.. Its hard and if not for that one stupid trophy I'd have a fourth platinum.. So yea trophies are cool but alot of them feel cheap and forced.. When done correctly though they are a great feature..
I am a day one charter member of Live....and also PSN.. I never look at achievements, trophies , gamer scores. I play games for fun, not silly stuff like the above. I know this stuff is popular, but I would just LMAO if anyone started bragging about that crap, especially in the real world..
Damnit...don't laugh at me...have to update my resume now :(
I hate online trophies. I tried to get my MLB the Show 09 plat then Sony took the servers down. All I needed was one online trophy to get the plat. I wasn't that mad becuz the trophy was very hard to get and I'm not gonna waste hours getting a trophy. Another thing I hate is when bronze trophies are harder to get than some gold trophies.
never been fan of achievements/trophies...
hahaha I agree with El Jugador
I am glad they are keeping the trophies in the campaign, with very little multiplayer trophies. I absolutely hate multiplayer trophies. Multiplayer trophies cause people to play differently, and consequently remove any semblance of teamwork in an environment where teamwork is already rare. Multiplayer trophies also become impossible to obtain if dedicated servers get shut down.
i dont care about trophies, just give me my Twisted Metal!
EDIT: Nevermind. He never mentioned achievements and it's just the author applying this rant to both.. But still, don't care what Jaffe says or thinks about Xbox.
But I don't ever recall David saying anything and definitely nothing negative about 360 or Live anyway, do you? the only thing I ever heard was him being asked about working with Sony and saying what a great relationship he has and has had with them-he doesn't try to knock MS does he? If so why the downer on Jaffe? He's a talented guy who knows a bit about making games-surely his opinions would be worth something to us?
You want your game's platinum to recieve more respect than Hannah Montana don't you? There needs to be trophies that require dilligence if not outright difficulty, and it doesn't matter if they are multiplayer, as long as they don't force you to play unnaturally. For example, having a gold trophy for getting 10,000 kills in death match games, that's respectable. If the game is a solid title that will be able to captivate people to play online long after release, there's no reason not to have such trophies. A game with a name like "Twisted Metal" deserves meaningful trophies. If I can get the platinum for some sissy nonsense like beating single player on easy mode I might not even buy the game. Don't wanna have to share the platinum with a bunch of scrubs who probably don't even remember the games back on the original Playstation.
Im tired of dudes grabbing all the single player trophies for a quick platinum and then playing the online for 2 days and going back to COD. I want online trophies and i want them to be win 100 games in certain modes, and trophies you only get by being a team player and wining. Id like a trophy for 20hrs of online play time at least. To many trophy whores think they are all cool when they get an easy platinum on cool games. I want platinums to be hard or take a while to get.
Personally, I can't stand multi-player trophies. The multi-player aspect should be enough to keep you playing on it's own, and I don't like relying on others to get awarded trophies, it defeats the purpose. Also, as games age, the ones with MP trophies lose their appeal to people who like trophies and finishing games. Make the MP trophies above and beyond the platinum. -CadDad
Thats what I liked about resi 5.. You can platinum without playing the multiplayer which I have done.. Even tho I was one of those idiots that payed for an unlock key I still achieved platinum without doing much in the MP.. Also as a side note the online co-op of resi5 is, to me, the best example of co-op and made getting the platinum trophy very enjoyable.. ..
I never really look at my trophies or even care about them but everything he said is very true. Nowadays most people just play games because they see the trophy list and say they want all of them, and rather than showing off how good they are at the game they now show off their trophy collection lol. In other words playing the game for trophies makes you feel like you're playing the game for some else whereas playing the game for unlockables and in-game rewards makes you feel like your playing the game for fun and entertainment. It has a different impact on you mentally.
If I think the game is worth playing over again because I find it fun, then yeah I'll go for trophies/achievements. Admittedly I've only ever got a platinum in one game and my gamerscore is just under 5000. They can be fun to collect and occasionally I may go back and grind my way through a few games I enjoyed to earn that extra gold or that extra 150 points. Its not that I'm competeting with anyone or trying to big up my game score and show it off online. They can quirky and fun, often aptly named with some pop culteral reference that can merit a chuckle from time to time. Most of all, they can be a testement your past gaming deeds and the things you've done. The levels you've completed and the bosses you've conquered. But then, some are ridiculous. I personally wouldn't want to drive around Liberty City shooting pigeons when the temptation to steal that car and drive along that narrow path and hurling grenades and at pedestrians lucky enough to jump aside before my vechicle smashes them would be far too great. I don't get people that game specifically for their gamescore or trophies, but hey, I guess I'm just not that competetive.
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