Maxconsole writes: "Court filings in the latest round of arguments show that Sony is now resorting to using fanboy comments posted on forums to promote its latest defense tactic that no one cared about other os so removing it didnt matter"
I imagine this court case will not end in Sony's favor (in light of the recent ruling for the iPhone that said it was legal and acceptable for customers to jailbreak their iPhone).
You're talking about different court case. This is about Other OS removal started by people who didn't even use the feature, not Jailbreaking(as mentioned in the title) which will harm hard working developers.
Sony knows how the game is played
Ok they are saying Sony is resorting to fanboys because sony quoted people saying that they dont want OtherOS and no one they know wants OtherOS. lets be honest here, out of 100 people how many uses OtherOS?? If people cared about OtherOS, then the PS3 slim sales would have plummeted, but it didnt. and that shows that no one cares about OtherOs. So according to Maxconsole, People who dont want OtherOS are fanboys. they are the biggest ms fanboy site i know.
Well, I am concerned about developers, but I care more about consumers. The ability for a company to remove an advertised feature after a sale occurred, is disturbing and definitely harms the consumer. That is what this is about, not about piracy. That is for developers to combat, which seems they already are by charging for online play.
So because of the later, I hope Sony loses. Companies can't just be allowed to do whatever in the heck they want just because they can. I'm sure I'll get disagree's but oh well...that's exactly how I feel. And because this case is based out of California, Sony stands a good chance of losing. Edit in Bubble for you Mr. gamingdroid for your intelligence. :P
@droid not when sony loses money to fund the development of new ps3 games and new PS systems
I have no idea what your're saying at all
I have yet to see any evidence of Mass Media advertising for Other OS. An interview on a website doesn't count. A developer only event doesn't count. What counts is TV and newspapers. I am not sure of the legal wording of mass media in the US that could make a difference. I am for consumer rights but also security to keep the machine safe. We lost a feature but we gained so many over the years it more than covers the loss. I wonder how many are actually annoyed over this and how many just smell money.
More garbage from Maxconsole. What a surprise. /s Oh look! They learned how to use MS paint to add in the word "fanboys" to a family guy picture. How clever!
only the fanboys read/are aware of whats in the EULA? well...then fanboys are the only people with BRAINS dumb asses suing didn't even consider it hmmm =P
They're not basing the case on this, only using it as even further proof against the claims that said the same thing. The claim is that Sony advertised the heck out of OtherOS. Sony's primary proof is that they never advertised OtherOS as a feature in their advertisements. One of the other, and very minor, proofs for them is the number of people who didn't even know that their system had OtherOS as a feature.
does it matter? You sold me a product that had support for it then took it away after advertising. "It only does everything" is no longer true, because it doesn't play PS2 games or allow for OtherOS.
Did you use any of those features... Give Me a Honest answer.. Edit It does matter because why complain about a feature you never used... I guess I was wrong buying the 40gb Ps3..
doesn't matter. it's still wrong. EDIT: why complain? because even if NO ONE used this feature (as an example, I'm not saying no one did), what happens when the next feature is one everyone uses? then sony, ms or whomever has this precedent to fall back on.
I Don't Know why I can't edit oh well... Ms already did this with the 3 yr warranty to cover rrod... Sony wouldn't take away a feature that everybody uses....
I'm not sure that's the same thing but regardless, as you can see from my above and below comments I'm not happy when anyone stealth-removes features they already sold people on. not just sony, if that's what you're thinking. *looks at above disagrees* yup, that's what some people were thinking...
@ n to the b The problem here is you are likely unable to show a financial loss due to this. Did the trade value of PS3's suddenly drop with the removal of the feature? No, it didn't, and it's hard to argue the increased value of those units that weren't upgraded as downgrading the value of yours. Sony is not going to be forced to pay out thousands of dollars to owners of $600.00 units. Are your punitive damages going to arise from having sleepless nights worrying about how you will live without OtherOS? Legal fees and reimplementation of the feature is probably the worst Sony is looking at. Only the lawyers will see a financial gain, and let's face it, that's all they care about. Secondly, this is not the best battle to fight. It's the removal of a mostly inconsequential feature, and if Sony wins, may set the precedent exactly 180 degrees from what you hope is going to be accomplished.
"You sold me a product that had support for it then took it away after advertising. " If you bought a PS3 when PS2 BC was an advertised feature then your PS3 would still have PS2 BC. Other OS on the other hand was never advertised otherwise give me some proof that it was.
I did in fact use OtherOS. Not for anything serious, but I did use it. Linux of course. Getting XP or OS10 to run was too involved for me. I didn't use backward compatibility though. But that doesn't matter. This is the same as selling me a car that offers manual shift and a CD changer then taking it away without asking me when I take it in to get an oil change. It was wrong and is just plain old bad business practices.
Did they ask you when you was ask to sign the TOA
No one gave a shit about other OS until it was gone. I didn't know ONE person, personally that used it, let alone knew it was a feature on the ps3. It would be nice to have as an addition, but Morons(hackers) ALWAYS have to put loyal gamers into a rut. Face it no one cared about other OS, and trying to say they did, you must be in denial. There was a select few, but when i say few I mean FEW.
Im getting really tiered of this, i can't believe people still care about it, i didn't even know about this feature until N4G, also i love how this troll website labels all ps3 owners that claim they didn't care about the feature as fanboys, i mean wow sooo professional, he doesn't even provide a source for this argument.
Luckily they are not on Sony's side since someone can't even spell DEFENSE correctly in their heading ..... Lol journalist my azz
goes to show sometimes its not good to blindly defend either ms or sony coz they might just take u for granted.. one thing i just hate is the fact sony takes away backwards compatibilty only to come on psn and sell u ur old games again.. wtf is that all about when the ps3 clearly can play it.
...on this site need to understand "Consumer Rights". When a company advertises, sells and then REMOVES said feature, it should be illegal. I am a ps3 freak, but they should lose.
there is no denying that sony fanboys exists but to say that people who don't use OtherOs=sony fanboys is a bit extreme isn't it?? there are a lot of people out there who genuinely do not use otheros.. edit: i don't use otheros but i do think sony was wrong to remove otheros.. does this make me or fanboy or non-fanboy??
Well the word is used loosely these days anytime people feel the need to name call when they can't debate back, so I think you are good ;) I did not use OtherOS, but when Sony took it down I wanted to lol
Same here. I never cared about other OS and I never used it. I had some friends that used it for this and that but to be honest most went back to the XMB before Sony took it away. They are still complaining about it being taken away even though they stopped using it. Before this otherOS was mostly used for bragging rights IMO.
Personally, I got a 40gb PS3 so it didn't have PS2 support. I know PCSX2 has a Linux version so I was kinda waiting till a workable version of PCSX2 was out for OtherOS. But then Sony took away OtherOS.
I DID NOT use OtherOS, I DID NOT think of using it, I DID NOT plan to use it in the future. I can testify anytime, but you cover the flight, 5* hotel and throw in a 3dtv :)
^ LOOOL. They can take away as many OtherOS as they want if they give me a 3DTV!
can check who used what on their ps3
If they could they wouldn't be using random anonymous quotes from fans. They'd use the actual stats.
I had linux on my ps3. It was a buggy mess. The only person who would ever use it would be someone who didn't have a computer. Also, you needed to have a KB/M to navigate linux. progbably my biggest innoyance I mean- if you did use it lots, great, the firmware clearly warned the user that linux would be disabled if they did update it.
I'm sure many/most didn't use otherOS but I still say f*k you ms AND sony for punishing paying, law-abiding consumers in your attempt to fight piracy. :(
Its still evidence I guess..... I bet if Microsoft had a similar situation then nothing would happen right? /s
You right Sony. I don't care about other os.
I don't care about Remote Play, and the majority of PS3 owners don't either. You can go ahead and remove it, Sony.
Barely anyone cared about it until it was gone.
That doesn't mean no one would ever use it. For me, it was like an old game I've already beaten and got currently bored with. Just because I don't play it currently, doesn't mean I wont some time in the future. Would you be okay if someone took away all the games that you finished that you didn't play very often? Then one day, when you're in the mood to play through a game like Uncharted: DF, or a run through of Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, you can't, because it's gone because someone took it away from you. That's the same situation for OtherOS users who only used it every now and then. And just because a majority of people didn't care about a certain feature, that does not make it right to take it away. I don't give a crap about the remote play feature for my psp, but I wouldn't defend Sony if they took it away from the few people who actually used it, I would defend my fellow consumer. You didn't use it, then fine, but the day when the consumer actually tries to justify a company taking something away from them and even go so far as to defend that company, is the start of something horrible.
The OS just ran too slow for me it was a waste of time installing it
Funny how people are actually defending SOny on this issue.
You do realize what site we're on, right? :P Most of these dudes will stay with Sony 'til the grave-judging by certain comments made-.
Custom software might mean alot of cheat-scripts and similar on online games on PSN, like we've seen on PSP. There allready were free ways for people to write their own programs, and run custom code on PS3. The only usefull things most people can see from cracking PS3 were piracy and cheating, back in the day. The cracking-comunity abused the Other OS and broke into the security features of GameOS, and according to GeoHot; Sony didn't have any way to patch or fix it. They did, but only at the cost of entire Other OS. I said this would happen - when he released his Other-os patch, wich blocked access for the security SPU wich job is to verify that the software were signed software.. See post #19 here.. http://translate.google.com... It's not Sony's fault we don't got OtherOS anymore, it's GeoHot's fault. He's not beeing sued, because Sony has deeper pockets...
First of almost no one used it. Trust me. Most people I know didn't know it existed. Second of all correct me if I am wrong but the contract that you agreed to says that Sony hss the right to change something on the PS3 when ever they feel like it (just paraphasing). Third Sony has the right to protect their investment and this is just the usual case of people trying to cash in on someone's success by acting like the leeches and sponges they are.Ordinary people are greedy too not just big companies like Sony. And for those who are saying we defend Sony to the death should listen to the comments made by 360 owners and Kinect defends when anyone tells them Halo Reach and Kinect aren't as good as they think or Wii owners when anyone compliments the Move or says it's better then a Wiimote. It's no different.
"And for those who are saying we defend Sony to the death should listen to the comments made by 360 owners and Kinect defends when anyone tells them Halo Reach and Kinect aren't as good as they think" Totally different comparison and the same could be said about SOny fans who would attack anyone that talked down on UC2 or KZ2. Kinect isn't even out yet so the defense you hear is from people that know it's to early to judge. I find it funny your comparing Fud with truth.
What about raising the price of Live and people saying it was worth it?
I don't remember anybody saying the price of Live was justified. Maybe your trying to hard hear what you want to hear. 360 fans have the same complaints PS3 fans do towards 360 believe it or not.
I find it humorous to think that people actually believe that Sony allowing themselves to be harmed hugely by OtherOS hackers would benefit Sony OtherOS users in some way. Instead, it would close the Sony games division, and OtherOS would go away in a different manner. It was the hackers who screwed OtherOS users, and no one else. They literally forced Sony's hand with the threat of economic ruin if they didn't remove it, via opening the gates to easy piracy on the PS3. Once the threat was made, OtherOS was dead, no matter what way you look at it. Maybe the hackers should be sued, for bringing ruin to the rest of the OtherOS community, which really was not Sony's responsibility at all, but rather a gift that could be used while it wasn't abused? Maybe the plantiffs should be sued, for wasting the courts' time with their greed, which can only be rewarded at the expense of people who appreciate Sony's console?
It was listed on the PS user agreement before it was removed. It was a feature promoted by tech's when it first came out. lol, so now no one cared about the feature? *rolls eyes*.
http://www.youtube.com/watc... why do you even care, you dont like sony. it seems like most of the people that are angry dont like sony.
"why do you care, you don't like sony" ? Is that what things have come to? I'm an over-praiser of competition so your quote doesn't make sense in the slightest. Let me guess, because I'm not the average n4g-joe that gets a thrill up my leg whenever the word Sony's stated, I must not like them? *rolls eyes* Even chastising certain companies on here makes you more of a fanboy than a level-headed individual, regardless as to how much truth it holds. Just for the record, I actually do respect Sony as a company but don't rather care for the continued arrogance from both them and MS when it comes to certain things. Is that still too much slander against Sony for you? I'll be sure to edit to include just MS if so.
Sony will win, even numbers show that their wasn't to many people care about the OS and I only use it once. It was great but the lack of being able to do somethings without knowing Linux coding kind of killed it for me.
I honestly can't believe people are defending Sony for this. They removed a feature, that helped to promote the PS3, and people accept it like nothing is wrong. Unbelievable. I don't care if anyone used OtherOS, but it's wrong to remove the feature that comes with a console. I seriously hope Sony looses, and looses big time. This can influence other companies to do the same thing, remove features from their products, after they were sold. You buy a product and a company starts removing features from the product. Something is seriously wrong with this. There are fanboys just plain blind and stupid that accept anything coming from Sony. Imagine a dealer sells a car, that comes with a AC... after some time the dealer calls the client to bring the car back, because since nobody uses the AC, they are going to remove it with with no compensation to the buyer.
i've never seen a promotion for other os. i could be wrong but i never seen it.
It was never advertised as a feature. Period.
Where did you get it help promote the ps3? Bs is all you got. Sony use bluray and the cell to promote the ps3 and that is all and you are just trolling.
You mean like Microsoft fanboys who sat for 3 years watching Microsoft trying to fix a glitch as 30% of their systems died and still brought new ones when they died and still rushed out to buy the slim and pretended it didn't happen and try to shut up anyone who reminds them of it? That is pure blind fanboyism at it's best. Other people would have boycotted the 360 but you guys bent over for three years and took up the tail pipe without even taking a break. And now even taking the $10.00 Xbox Live increase that was made for no reason with almost no protest. And we are the worst because we are not upset that Sony took out something that not even 3/4 of the PS3 people cared about or knew existed or wasn't even advertised by Sony? Please.
a commercial or Sony ad that advertised using Linux or downloading another OS? I cant recall ever seeing one but ppl say they DID advertise it... Just wondering will check back
because i seen someone say it was advertised... Showing how 2do it on playstation.com or that blog site would count as advertisement but not the kind that really reaches out to the average consumer.. I am not the average consumer of video games and i never seen anything about doing this. I know, or i think i remember, seeing a option to install other OS. still i never said i know everyone in the world... just saying its a very small portion
but didnt sony show users how to install the another OS on their website at one point.... i remember as i follwed the steps (even though it was easy enough to do myself) just saying.... that is at least some sort of advertising ... they showed potential users that the system can install another OS. and to other people saying no-one used it.... do you know everyone in the world... no... stop stop speaking for everyone.... i used it.. admittadly not all the time but i did...
Oh well that proves everything. Hey judge I think Sony kind of advertised the other OS and I think lots of people used it because there might be more people who aren't saying anything because they think Sony is going to find where they live and eat them up. The people who say it's not a problem are obviously fanboys because everyone else who attacks everything that Sony does and blow it out of proportion have to be telling the truth. It couldn't be that we are sensible enough to see that it wasn't important. Okay says the judge so by the law of Sony hater logic,I order Sony to pay the leeches and sponges who obviously aren't doing this to take advantage of Sony and are just honest citizens who were wronged by the obviously evil demon Sony. Yeah, that is definately it. You guys are so smart.
It really doesn't matter now. It's gone, and regardless of how the lawsuit turns out it isn't coming back. Worst case Sony ends up paying a couple million bucks to some lawyers to make the thing go away and those of us who actually cared get a free PSN download from a select list of titles as compensation. I bet that the people flapping their gums about how nobody used it and people need to just get over it would be the first in line to get their free prize if Sony settles, though. Wait and see.
highlighting blog posts by grossly ill-informed morons, now? someone should inform that twit that a few of the plaintiffs in that court case are basing some of their complaints on comments (taken completely out of context, i might add) by former sony execs that were made several years after they purchased their PS3s (citing those comments as advertisement they saw for the feature and those comments were what convinced them to purchase their PS3). there's also the little issue of the plaintiffs using quotes by other users from the exact same web forums.... but i guess that doesn't count since it doesn't fit his nerd-rage induced narrative...
Until they find a way to hack the PS3 via hardware and forces Sony to remove another important function. Once all the stupid fanboy cry then I'll be happy because I wouldn't give a damn about supporting Sony. These ones who do not use the OtherOS or do not care are the ones who support Sony in this, but when an Hacker does hack the PS3 via USb without modifying the usb stick, SOny will be forced to do something about it and thus disabling all USB drives slots. Let's see who will cry then.
USB slots will not be disabled at any point. keep trying, troll.