Eurogamer: "id Software's Tim Willits has refuted Microsoft's claim that the first-person shooter genre is in its death throes on the PC."
There is no 'core in the industry' PC started gaming, Xbox360 expanded it, and the PS3 perfected it! (Not saying the PC sucks! All the multi-plat games i have, are on PC!)
Kudo just shot himself in the foot (and MS) by saying such an idiotic statement. Half life, counter strike, crysis, and basically EVERY OTHER FPS EVER (excluding the FEW console exclusives) (including Halo: CE, i played mine on my MAC) is VASTLY SUPERIOR ON PC. and also very played. if that wasn't the case, Half Life, Portal, crysis and unreal tournament/ and any ID game wouldn't be as big as it is today
Aww man dont remind me of Halo:CE.. Had great times with that game..modding the crap out of it! changing skins, changing textures.. you were still able to play in normal public games with modded particle effects, skins, textures, sounds etc. games nowadays dont have that anymore (crap like punkbuster/VAC block everything that has been modified!) damn you cheaters!
u can still do that in l4d i thought
Yeah, like gaming started this generation.
I knew that was going to happen and I was wondering if it was going to be Id or valve that was going to rebut the statement by Kudo S.
VAC doesn't ban you for modding your game...
PS3 didnt perfect FPS, RTS or the MMO genre those are still best on PC. Yes it does have a few nice exclusives, other platforms do too. PC is still the ultimate gaming platform IMO.
I have to agree, when consoles can do all these genres without the game being gimped to make it work give me a call.
by gimped you mean what
Every game designed to be linear because of system resources. 720p ( I was running 1600x1200 in 2003 ) 30 frames with dips into the 20's with massive screen tearing, pop in, poor texture streaming, low numbers of enemy units and lagging unresponsive gamepad controls, peer to peer match making services, 8hr campaign standard and DLC That about covers 'gimped'.
'core' is wider than that. Every game is coded and designed using PCs. The console itself is basically a custom prebuild computer. X360 has three cores cpu and an ATi graphics X1900 or something while PS3 has IBM cell cpu (8SPU) and nvidia 7800gtx graphics plus ram on both consoles. You see. Another thing , most features consoles have today started on PC : 1.online multplayer 2.social features. 3.keyboard and mouse support. 4.HD output. 5.USB ports. 6.Network connection via Ethernet or Wifi. 7..... ....
[email protected] wesley PC is the longest running gaming platform out there. There yet isnt a console which can match: Backward compatibility of a PC (consoles can only think of dreaming of it in a dream). Game mods Performance- even a mid range PC of today out performs consoles multiple times. Cheaper prices- Every game bought is cheaper, and is almost gauranteed to be working next decade or two. PS3 has only been around for what? 3.5years, lol it will be dead in few years more... guess what PC will still be trucking along.
In fairness you7 wouldn't want to be using a five or six year old rig to game seriously on would you? Saying "PC will still be trucking along" is disingenuous and you know it. You aren't using an Amiga, are you? That was my PC once you know? Also, backwards compatibility is patchy on PC. Some of my old games will run and some won't and I'm not the biggest fan of emulation even though it's still a good way to catch up onn past classics-still prefer playing Megadrive games on a megadrive for example. What we need to do is drop all the "My platform's the one!" BS and embrace each other as brother gamers whatever we game on whether it's an iPad, a Snes, a DS, PS3, 360, Wii, PC or a ZX81. Games are games and gamers and gamers and the sooner we drop the BS divisions and accept that the sooner we can stop the likes of Kotick easily using divide and rule to push through greedy and unnecessary measures to fleece our pockets while cutting every conceivable corner in quality and testing and in features-like why on earth isn't COD on dedicated servers on EVERY platform? Instead of asking that when the PC got it's taken away console gamers laughed and look where we are now.
u re using pentium for gaming, re u?
@mastiff You do realise even a console is outdated after 6-7 years life and needs replacement. In current gen cases consoles often fail and need replacement after 3-4years or the are replaced with slim designs. I recently had a friend upgrade his old dualcore pc pentium 930d, all he did was replace the gpu. Added in a 4850 it now runs games like bc2 in 1080p, its some thing even current gen consoles fail todo. 3-4 years down the line he may decide to get a new rig at which point he probably still be able to play bc2. No gaurantees of that happening on the next console.
"In fairness you7 wouldn't want to be using a five or six year old rig to game" You act like having a choice is a bad thing. Yes it is preferable to game on a new PC. But if PS3 games had 'settings' and you could run them on PS2, I guarantee that PS3 would have sold 1/3rd as many.
wesley, did you really just say 'PC started gaming?' Really?
Never perfected it because all PS3 games like the Xbox360 run at 720p or lower. Use last generation AA techniques. Does not support tessellation. Every game on a console and I mean evry single game uses a hybrid of low resolution textures because its stuck with 512 megs of memory. ALL FPS games run at 30FPS and at 720p or lower. Some exceptions. Screen tearing for many intense games. Consoles use LOW FP HDR and limited use of soft shadow effects and Real time shadow effects. System restraints is the reason. So how again has the PS3 PERFECTED gaming when it cannot even rise above the fidelity level with advanced effects a PC did in 2003?
I don't game on pc as i have a crap one and a small monitor plus no money at present to make it relivent for gaming to a degree i like but i do accept pc gaming run things you only have to look at steam and its prices bundles etc does pc ever get a poor port ;) oh and awsd is awkward at present(for me atleast) @wesley pc never started gaming xbox expanded the online demand in gaming Sony- there doing as they always did quality hardware backing it with quality software oh ok =')
I didnt mean it that way! I meant that the PC started with FPS games, and online multiplay. xbox expanded multiplay, and PS3 perfected everything (Online play, graphics, games etc) (Mind you, i have all 3 systems. I can prove if you guys want.)
In what way has the PS3 perfected online play and games? Currently Xbox Live is much more solid and has more features than PSN. It has lots more active players and most of which use mics. And also there is no online game on the PS3 that can match the scale, stats sharing, balancing, amount of online modes and features, and pure gameplay of Halo: Reach. It sounds to me that you are just very much in love with the Sony brand.
Live is NO more solid than PSN and , to me, the features it has are fluff I neither want nor need. The only real thing Live has over PSN is that everyone talks in game but that's getting better as time goes on too. Had MS invested in getting devs to use something good like dedicated servers then it would go a little way to making me want to subscribe again and to see more games on PSN using dedicateds is a bit sad when Gears2 was boned by using P2P.
"Minitor" already means "small monitor", you don't need to say "small minitor".. Oh btw, like dangert says, pc's didn't start gaming. There was Atari, SNES, Gameboy, Commodore 64, Amiga much before PC had anything worth playing. Beginning with wolfenstein and doom, PC gaming started flourishing. Edit: Oh, wesley you clarified before I managed to post this..
Read my comment above you! Thats exacly what i meant
What the hell are you spewing? PC INVENTED gaming 60 some years ago.
I was online gaming with FPS on pc years before consoles became big online. Tribes is still probably my favorite shooter. you can say 360 (halo 2) may have brought online console gaming to the mainstream, but they did not invent not perfect it.
Actually he's quite right. Without PC development, Graphic Card makers, or processing advancement there would be no consoles. In the past and in the future developers rely on PCs to push the power higher and higher. If you take out the PC gaming chapter, guess what? Consoles will suddenly start lacking in terms of graphical advancement and processing power. Every time a new console comes out within a matter of months PC hardware surpasses it - this leads to Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony's R&D staff to look into what's the next top of graphics and processing. Its not a really big secret that PC advances are what move Sony to developing the Cell and lead Micrsoft to expecting their Graphics Card to run faster and smoother than the newest nVidia cards. That's just what we call progress. If we take away that "core" idea we're left with longer development times and imho, lackluster turn over rates in terms of console hardware.
Yea. Kudo basically showed that he's not really connected towards the industry. (On a side note who in the world disagreed with what was said?)
tell that x-bro how it is tim
The majority of pc gamers are among the most ignorant, most arrogant & most ego driven gamers i've on the internet from n4g to youtube they always feel like they need to boast about their pc hardware's specs & bashing harder on other platforms then any console owner has ever bashed on another platform before.
PC is not the core anymore I'm afraid. People generally play fps on consoles now a days and their communities are growing rapidly are overtaking the PC communities. PC gamers who still play fps don't get or want to realize this. They are very ignorant to this whole deal and thats the main reason they bash fps on consoles because you don't got a mouse and a keyboard (it's achievable, but not the most common setup by far).
While mouse and keyboard are a deciding factor for me. On console you dont get 60fps in 1080p either in an FPS game. Niether do you get mods. Lastly console games just die as the next sequel runs in, so there is bad value for money.
Modern Warfare 2 which is the best selling fps on console runs in 1080p and you see 60 nice frames per second. And more games are stepping up.
Have to correct you there. MW2 on console runs in Sub HD, i think its 620p. In fact i dont think there is any First Person shooter on console that runs in 1080 and 60fps. Its probably due to console hardware limitations.
it depends on who you are playing against. this is just common sense. controller vs controller, m/k vs m/k. play both play either, you have a damn choice at least.
'PC gamers who still play fps don't get or want to realize this. They are very ignorant to this whole deal' If anyone's ignorant it's you. Ever thought they still play fps's on pc because they prefer it? I have consoles and a pc but PREFER to play them on my pc as it's, in my opinion, the best way to play them.
But I thought that Kinect bloke with the Lady Ga GA sunglasses said it wasn't. Who do I believe?
They are the inventers of FPS and best graphics and gameplay they know what they are saying. I always prefer ID games to be no.1
Console gaming's internal studios creative inflence has really challenged multiplatform studios to be more creative & gave console gaming a solid foot hold in the gaming industry.So i think it's fair to say console gaming has had a heavy influence in the gaming industry.
"console gaming has had a heavy influence in the gaming industry. " Yeah I reckon, I mean just look at all the new genre's to have been created specifically for consoles such as um.....yeah there are none. Or what about new graphical features that were never before seen on PC such as um.....again, none. What about input, I mean it's not like steering wheels, gamepads, keyboards, mouse, motion control, joysticks etc were on PC for years before consoles...oh wait it is. Well I'm glad we straightened that up. Console games are linear and easy, both as a result of the general age of console users and the inferior input, that is what I call gimped, not innovative.
What I find funny is how when games like Gears of War or Uncharted 2 or KZ2 or GOD3 are released, console gamers say: "WOW. Look at the technology used in that game. It's never been used before!" Ya, they are correct...if they never games on a PC in 2003 to the present
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are you a mime by any chance?
It's been like this for years: Tech & Ideas evolve in the PC. That tech, those ideas, get evolved and iterated and into consoles. Games go to those consoles as they get support from the publishers and have a single devkit to work with. Consoles are generally cheaper - have the brand recognition and you can talk to your mates about playing <insert console> last night. You talk to your workmate about "playing pc" last night they'll probably thing it's the one-handed browsing. It's like motorsport - the PC is at the top - it drip feeds tech down to the popular tech, the consoles, which over years assimilate the advances that PC gaming makes. But that makes keeping up with the top-notch more expensive, when we'd all rather just have a single manageable investment and get a full lifecycle from that investment.
all 3 are viable gaming platforms for fps.
I think PC needs a return to the old school shooters, Painkiller was the last best attempt.
I was looking forward to Singularity but Bobby K or Mephesto as I like to call him struck again with a quick and dirty console port.
I don`t see how any one platform could be considered the "core" of the industry. Wouldn`t it be more accurate to say that as a whole, all platforms together make up the core?
Im a console lover but I will say pc got some tasty mmo I wish was on the console.
PC best gaming platform! Nuff Said!
always felt like it was let indie devs experiment on pc and then some devs later try and make it work on controllers for consoles later
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