"Micahel Bay (director of summer smash hit Transformers) has publicly announced on his website that he is annoyed with the new Paramount HD-DVD exclusivity deal, as it means not everyone can enjoy his movie."
... and if only other directors and producers at Disney, Fox and MGM would care as much about having "as many people as possible to enjoy their movies."
Maybe it's Disney, Fox and MGM that should also give up supporting one format over the other along with Paramount and Universal.
My prediction: in the end, it'll have to be the GOVERNMENT that steps in and slaps all those studios and tells them to stop doing whatever they're doing.
Thats not the answer, No one wants 2 formats. It should be one and thats it.
Isnt there a actors/directors union or something. They need to get more vocal about this and put an end to it. Maybe it should just come down to majority rules as long as that reflect what the consumers are buying.
Ok now obviously I'm saying that because my side is in front and pretty much has been since it came out, but maybe we need a cut off point like Christmas 2008 where all parties involved agree to drop the weaker (supported) format.
HDDVD and BR are never going to get close to rivalling DVD until one of them dies.
Ill say this..bathy is wrong...and thats all i need to say.
oh and blu ray wasn't in the lead since release thank you very much, it started out slow and eventually came to the lead.
P.S: its lead is only because of ps3.
P.P.S: oh and it doesn't matter if one of them dies, blu ray has about 4-5 years before it becomes as big as dvd, specially with HD Being the sole exclusive reason to have hd dvd or blu ray, and with hd tv still account for only about 20-25% of the tvs in users homes.
May I remind you that HD-DVD came out first before Blu-ray. Then Sony came out with Blu-ray much later in the game. Sony knew it had to play catch up, so it came up with a "brilliant" (and, in essence, very anti-competitive) plan to overtake HD-DVD: by making "alliance" with other studios (Disney, Fox, MGM), by limiting consumer choices to Blu-ray, so consumers will have no choice but to buy Blu-ray if they want certain movies.
So. This whole format war is Sony's fault in the first place. In Paramount's case, it's more like tit for tat; a retaliatory response from the HD-DVD camp.
If I had a choice, I would pick HD-DVD because the player was cheaper. But do I have a choice? NO. Sony limited my choice by ganging up with Disney, Fox, MGM and few other studios to NOT release anything in HD-DVD, so if I wanted certain movies, I would have to get Blu-ray whether I really liked it or not. That's anti-competitive.
As it stands now, I would just wait until HD-DVD wins or until I absolutely have to buy Blu-ray (i.e., HD-DVD completely loses.) I'd just stick with HD-DVD. But if I know that ALL studios are absolutely committed to release both formats, then I'll go for my preferred HD format: HD-DVD.
Sony didn't force feed anyone nothing. Sony has always been the first to put new technology in there consoles why is Blu Ray any different? If I'm assuming you own a PS3 which you probably don't than you would have asked yourself why I'm spending $600/$500, and if you didn't want to spend that on a game player, blu ray player than you wouldn't have gotten one it's just simple logic.
As for the HD DVD came at first statement just explains why this war is over. If something came out first shouldn't it be protecting it's lead instead of playing catch up while the simple facts remain 30K PS3/ Blu Ray players are getting sold aweek.
1.3, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
Sony isn't Blu-Ray.
The Blu-Ray Disk Association consisting of a bunch of tech industry companies AND movie studios developed the Blu-Ray format together. Quit making this out to be a Sony conspiracy. OH NOES! SONY CONVINCED EVERYONE TO DROP HD-DVD OH NOES THEY'RE PLAYING UNFAIR! It's all untrue and it's all crap.
goddamn unnecessary and useless Sony bashing. Go tell your stories on a fanfic forum.
...And keep this in mind, as long as Sony, Disney and I forget the other movie studio who financially backed Blu-Ray (That's right sucker, it wasn't only Sony), they will never release movies on the HD-DVD format thus making their win an impossibility.
Edit: To Calpheonix. If you buy Blu-Ray, you aren't supporting Sony. You're supporting the Blu-Ray Association. Sony is a supporter of Blu-Ray, they didn't invent, develop and place royalties on the product, they just gave money... If you need to "Stay away" from Sony, don't get a Sony Blu-Ray player...What's the big deal...
I could be involved in a class action lawsuit against Sony. A Sony BMG CD installed a spyware on my computer - which could be Windows or Mac - and destroyed all my data. So I decided I would never buy anything from Sony again.
I could be involved in a class action lawsuit against Sony. A fake reviewer made up by Sony, named "David Manning", kept giving five-star reviews to Sony movies. In the end, it got exposed, and I was included in the class action lawsuit. So I decided I would never buy anything from the dishonest Sony again.
There's a few more potential lawsuits I could be involved in, all which could make me want to stay away from Sony products.
As a customer, I should have the choice to NOT want to buy anything from Sony ever again, as much as possible. But apparently other studios (Disney, Fox, MGM) are limiting my choice and not giving me the consumer choice to stay away from Sony.
by being associated with Sony.
Sony has collected a lot of bad karma over the past decade with the spyware music CDs, "David Manning", exploding batteries, EverCrack's poor services, and too many arrogant comments towards customers, and now seems like too many people just want to see Sony fail and punished for its past sins.
how the hell is sony forcing you to buy blu-ray and if anything it's business. fox,disney and MGM already know what format is better and consumers also know which is why they choose blu-ray. they didn't need to be bribed with 150 million dollar contracts to sell movies on blu-ray unlike the HD DVD group did with paramount. don't blame sonyfor HD DVD's failure blame the consumers who chose it, the studios just followed suit. because the way i see it sony is just giving me more movies that i cant find on HD DVD
HD-DVD is region free.
I can decide to move to Europe or Asia or retire to New Zealand or Iceland, and keep my entire HD-DVD collection because they will all work overseas. I can go on a trip on Asia, Europe, or Australia and buy some obscure foreign-language HD-DVDs that are not available in the US. Those HD-DVDs will play just fine in the USA. My friends in Singapore, Netherlands or Australia can mail me a HD-DVD. It will play on my American HD-DVD player without a hitch.
I have a HD-DVD player, and it can play every HD-DVD from every single corner of the world.
You can't that with Blu-ray. Blu-ray that has 3 different regions. Do you have a PS3 or Blu-ray player? Guess what - if you buy it in the USA, it won't play European or Asian Blu-ray discs, or vice versa.
There will be some weird, highly collectible foreign language films - even if they're on Blu-ray - that will be able to play on your American PS3 or Blu-ray player because they are coded for the foreign region but not the US region. If you decide to retire to New Zealand someday, you'll be screwed because your entire Blu-ray collection are not going to play in New Zealand. If my sister and her husband mail me a Blu-ray recording of their newborn baby from Sweden, it won't bloodly play on my Blu-ray player because it's the wrong region.
That's the reality of Blu-ray: three regions that don't work with each other, even if you disagree with me.
You picked the Ps3, and Blu-Ray was an added bonus. Just so everyone knows, the PS3 does use Blu-Ray disk for GAMES. Yes, even if you don't like the fact that it's a Blu-Ray player, it still has a very important function as a game device.
One reason why Fox / Disney etc.. will never support HD-DVD is because it's region free.
then Disney/Fox will not be able to deny region free to consumers, won't it?
...they want everyone to enjoy their creation. i won't be surprised if it is true.
EDIT: i think he is pissed because everyone has been saying Blu-ray will be the winner and has been selling more.
They will be back....everyone comes back to blu-ray ;)
with HD dvd hes only going to make less money!
This guy is officially my new hero. Stick it to the man Bay!
I guarantee this is only the beginning of the backlash by people and the industry as a whole.
EDIT: To the guy below, that is old news. Not to mention the laws are very different in Europe. Here in the US that it is perfectly legal to buy exclusivity. It may be unfair and shady, but it's still legal.
and there's a good chance that by the end of the investigation, EU will issue an order to the studios to stop supporting one format over another, and that all studios have to release both Blu-ray and HD-DVD of a title within a specific time period.
... because Sony or Toshiba and a bunch of corporations got together and formed some sort of oligopoly, and they decided what formats the consumers (WE) will buy by completely cutting off one format *is* very anti-competitive. Sony and Toshiba and all those corporations are trying to force consumers to adopt a particular format by limiting consumer choices.
And after EU, the US will also have a similar investigation.
HOWEVER, Sony will end up being the biggest loser if that happens.
just because blu-ray knows how to draw studios and consumers all of a sudden they're in the wrong. it's like saying game developers can't make exclusive deals with sony,nintendo or microsoft. its all bs
You have GOT to be kidding! "Stick it to the man"??? Now, tell me you don't think that the blu-ray interest groups (various Hollywood studios, electronics companies *cough* *cough* *SONY*, etc.) are a bunch of rag-tag freedom fighters unified against "the man." Like Toshiba's headquarters is on top of a dark mountain with lightning all around it.
Everyone can enjoy Transformers. Just go buy it on DVD.
Gee, thats not Trolling behavour at all. Guess I had you all wrong. /end FKN sarcasm.
So many thigns wrong with your post I don't know where to start:
a)It's Paramaount not Universal
b) As is said below, the format war is a major point in this generation of console gaming, so the news about it is relevant
c)This isn't some consumer, or some p*ssed of fanboy, this is the director of the film. As in the guy who directed Bad Boys II, Pearl Harbour, Armageddon and Transformers (to name but a few). I think his opinion might matter when it comes to movies, don't you?
EDIT: I tear your post to shreads, so you just delete it? Nice move, mayby no one will notice...
Also worth mentioning is that Bay has said "No Transformers 2 for me."
Also, to the guy above. If you don't like it, don't read it. This format war is key to this generation of gaming, if you don't like it go and play with your atari.
GET WITH THE TIMES
My backlash is against Sony.
May I remind you that HD-DVD came out first, and then Sony came out with Blu-ray and tried to take over. My backlash is against Sony, Fox, Disney, and MGM that tried to use an oligopolistic business practice to force consumer adoption.
In Paramount's case, it's more like tit for tat. It's Sony who came in with Blu-ray much later than HD-DVD and thought it could force consumers to adopt one format by making "alliance" with other studios. Michael Bay -- like many other directors who work for Sony, Fox, Disney, MGM and Universal -- are unwillingly caught up in this format war.
You had to go rewrite the same bullsh*t story again?
Jesus, you're a persistent fellow aren't you? Do you also stand in front of Best Buy with flyers going on about how Sony has been engaging in illicit business behavior. I know another company that is endlessly accused of playing unfair. It's usually referred to as M$.
M$ is not even in the movie-making business. M$ has very little (if any) invested interest in HD-DVD. that's why M$ is hardly supporting HD-DVD. M$ is just buying time for DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION. It's really Toshiba on its own for HD-DVD.
You may be right about Bay not directing but its annouced and Josh and Megan have signed up for it.
Yeah but Paramount is gonna skimp on the director (bottom line is more important than a good movie) and get some no name who will make it lame.
Why is it that Bluray has had the cream of the crop and now that HDDVD finally gets some support people are moaning like it is not fair, I think Paramount is right to go exclusive with Bluray, but what would be even better would be if the film companies/other parties would just support both formats and let the hardware makers fight the price war, it's one thing to have a console war with game exclusives but the film industry needs to stay neutral.
I dont see why games should be any dif .. hardware development due to competition? .. make it modular. Will happen just like computers but focused on games without the excessive complication.
No one said it isn't fair. They said it is stupid. Day by day it was looking like there was going to be an end to the format war, meaning customers would stop getting screwed. Then they go and do something like this and piss off more people.
It might be his movie but directed by SP but its published by Paramount and its the publisher that can do what they want.
Unless he signed an agreement to release on both formats in the first place then he could do something but he cant.
Crapppp I wanted to get this on bluray for my ps3, tuff as movie
Michael bay sucks ass, he must have the worst history of films looking at the ones he has directed. Cry me a mother ****ing river bay you ****ing gay.
"as it means not everyone can enjoy his movie"
Typical Bay bullcrap. Like everyone could enjoy his movies if they would come to both blu-ray and hd-dvd. Most of the people don't have even HD player nor HD tv. It's minority that has.
"eeek, oh noes... everyone can't see my crappy movies!.. HELP!"
I have hardly ever enjoyed his movies anyhow.. could not care less if his movies won't come to blu-ray.
to 540damn below:
No sh!t. Just because it seems you can't read between the lines, I won't waste my time explaining my point to you Mr. Dumbass or was that your signature?
edit: 540damn, you just proved me right. You have no brain.
edit2: haha, you fail again. Stop it already titwank, you're getting hilarious.
theres this thing people can buy if they dont have hd dvd or bluray. its called a dvd, dumbass.
edit- Yes you are a dumbass, you dont need a hd disc player to enjoy his movies. "Everyone could enjoy his movies if they would come to both blu-ray and hd-dvd." Here I fixed it for you.
no, you write like an idiot. first you try to sarcastically say how his movies suck, and how no one could enjoy them even on both formats(ok makes sense). Then you point out how only a minority of people have players to play the disc formats. You see how this makes you a dumbass? It takes all sarcasm away from your previous statement. try not to be such a dipsh*t next post.
Some guy in a forum called "michaelbay" says something quite strange, and we just believe that it is the real director? Why would he care about the format war? If he's so disappointed, why did he put the movie on DVD?
Honestly both camps are trying to end it ASAP. But it's hard since deals are being made. And is that comment really legit, i mean is that really Micheal Bay talking in the forums, u gotta be kidding me.
sure, on his OFFICIAL website, in his OFFICIAL forum logged in as ADMIN it has to be scam *rolleyes*
"Honestly both camps are trying to end it ASAP. But it's hard since deals are being made." no sh*t.
They are both trying to end it in their favor. Thats why its still going. Its neither of their faults.
You can't blame them for wanting to win. You can choose a side and tell the other to eff off. I think buying both formats just extends it even longer.
the EU government will complete their investigation and tell all studios to stop the exclusive nonsense by the end of the year, and then the US government will follow.
That's why Paramount/Dreamworks took the $150 million, because they know the hammer is coming down in the EU. When the government tells Paramount/Dreamworks that the studios will have to release movies in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats and no further than 6 months apart from each other, the $150 million paid to Paramount/Dreamworks for HD-DVD exclusivity = free money with no commitment.
I hope you are right. The madness has got to stop as it really is the consumer that suffers.
I was looking forward to get this film on BR. I dont want to by a HD-DVD player, if I did it wouldnt be until they fall below the £100 mark.
Plus I have no free HDMI ports at the back of my TV lol :(
is he really that dumb? everyone can enjoy his movie... every bluray player can play DVDs...
he said no transformers two for me
Since the PS3 uses blu-ray...But then UMD has failed for movies but still exists for games, Sony should have just stuck with memory sticks for games no loading times!
HD stands for HIGH DEFINITION so HD-DVD sounds a lot better than Blu-Ray...
Anyone want to buy UnderWorld 2 and Eragon on Blu-Ray Underworld 2 is region free and Eragon is PAL ;-)
I will keep Casino Royal since its worthless lol.
So why even try?most of you dont even give a damn.Just want to see Sony fail, and thats all.
that's what most people really want to see.
blu ray was in the works first. hd dvd was the first to market. so your comment is really not valid. you dont need to state it 3 times in the post like youve come up with some ingenious point, idiot.
On 19 November 2003, the DVD Forum (the association that handles the original DVD) originally voted to support HD DVD as the high definition successor of the standard DVD. Then Sony broke away from the agreement and came up with Blu-ray, which is based on Sony's own non-commercial PDD in 2004.
I don't know if calling someone else an idiot before doing a simple research is a good idea.
Only problem with your factoid Jareth_Chong is that the thing that was "voted" as successor then, has nothing to do with HD-DVD as you have it today.
The original HD-DVD was a multilayer RED LASER based disk that had a max storage space of 15GB and was actually just a 4 layer DVD. Toshiba tried to force feed this mini enhancement down through anyones throat. the sole (tm) for DVD is by Toshiba, hence the DVD board is in fact only a Toshiba promotion board where the loyal subjects can come to grovel at the feet of the supreme master and beg for some enhancements. The companies that now form the BRDA split of this nonsense after Toshiba announced their "new" format as final ignoring all complaints that the old tech wouldn't cut the cookie in a few years to come and that the new disks where just to darn small capacity wise.
Only after the first BD specs aired, stating that a blue laser was used to greatly enhance the storage capacity Toshiba got scared and ditched HD-DVD (original) and made a quick dash at the blue laser tech, resulting in HD-DVD (new) as we have it today, with about 4 times the space per layer as DVD, and thus reducing the old 4 layer horror called HD-DVD into something at least manageable. And still only half of what BD's pack into the same space on the disk.
Aint it shocking that all the pro's of todays HD-DVD came only because half of the members of the DVD board called it quits on the Toshiba bs that was HD-DVD then?
From a hardware side the BD disk is way advanced compared to the HD-DVD. After all it has double the storage per layer and additionally has a higher data transfer rate resulting in higher possible bitrates for encodes.
From the players software side the HD-DVD tech is way more advanced than the todays BD software (real PIP, mandatory dual decoding units, Internet support). Though BD seems to have gotten the message at last and BDj and BD+ offer most of the interactive stuff HD-DVD has. Still i would prefer if dual decoders where mandatory for bd-players to allow real pip.
cos Transformers was one of the movies i really wanted on bluray
Am i gonna get a HD-DVD player? No
Exactly. There's no way in hell that i'll fork out for ANOTHER high def player and all of my friends think the same. If the films don't come out on Blu-Ray, i'll just get the DVD version. Simple
HD-DVD is region free.
So. I can move to Europe or Asia some day and keep my HD-DVD collection. I can go on a trip on Asia, Europe, or Australia and buy some obscure foreign-language HD-DVDs that are not available in the US, and the HD-DVDs will play just fine in the US. My friends in Singapore or Netherlands can mail me a HD-DVD and it can play on my American player with no problem. I have a HD-DVD player, and it can play every HD-DVD from every single corner of the world.
I can't do that with Blu-ray that has 3 different regions. Do you have a PS3 or Blu-ray player? Guess what - if you buy it in the US, it won't play European or Asian Blu-ray discs, or vice versa. And you know there are gonna be some weird foreign language films - even if they're on Blu-ray - that are not going to be able to play on your American PS3 or Blu-ray player.
Isnt Bluray also region free? Someone confirm
A/1: North America, Central America, South America, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Southeast Asia.
B/2: Europe, Greenland, French territories, Middle East, Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
C/3: India, Nepal, Mainland China, Pakistan, Russia, Central and South Asia.
The biggest Blu-ray phuck-up is that (pay attention) Taiwan, Hong Kong and Southeast Asia are Region A but China is Region C. So, basically any Chinese movies or shows made in Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore do not play on Blu-ray players inside China.
I know the people in China Shanghai are avoiding Blu-ray because somehow the Blu-ray players in China won't play any Chinese movies from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia, which is just ridiculous.
@ SuperSaiyan4 "HD stands for HIGH DEFINITION so HD-DVD sounds a lot better than Blu-Ray..."
THATS your reason why HD-DVD should win?! Yeah, why not forget about Blu-Ray being able to hold more data. Are you just being stupid to be funny? I personally hate this format war, it is confusing customers which is one of the many reasons this is getting investigated. The best format which offers the best features should win, in my opinion.
To the posters with the IQ of 2 that think Blu-Ray is all Sony, as someone correctly pointed out, you do know there are OTHER companies in the Blu-ray group right? Morons
As for Michael Bay, he like you is entitled to his opinion. Of course he's gonna be annoyed. What director wouldn't want their creation represented in high-definition and giving it to the masses? No Transformers 2? Damn. For the people who say that isn't Michael Bays comment, lol you do know it's HIS site right? He's the Director/Admin of the thing. His face is plastered all over the front page!
One main thing that not many people know is that in the UK, there was a survey carried out (I'll find the link) which said that the majority of people (about 80%) here did not even know about HD films until the PS3 came out (that goes for Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD). The average consumer did not know anything about HD players. But of course as soon as the PS3 came out, that all changed.
that th e 150 million dollar incentive is limited TIME exclusivity.
Its those rabid fanboys that go out of the way to bash blu-ray since sony backs this technology. You know who you are...
But its the same group that complain about the system cost of the ps3. It just does not seem logical because the hd-dvd addon combined with an xbox costs ~same as the ps3... if not more.
Combined with the costs of actually purchasing the expensive media (in general hd-dvd is actually more expensive when looking at the media on the shelves) its just does not add up for a market that is concerned about COSTS. With this in mind it just seems that most xbox fanboys who spurt out garbage about blu-ray , I get the odd feeling that 1) they dont own hd-dvd.
I can't believe you all are arguing over an imposter who claims tobe a director at a forum. Give me a fuc*ing break
sure, as said before, an "imposter" who is ADMIN on the official forum of the official page of Michael Bay, yes, thats so sounds like an imposter to me.
I spotted another one: http://www.washingtonpost.c...
Well it is coming out on DVD as well but I have to wonder if he's going to push for VHS and Laser Disc so everyone can enjoy his movie.
Who cares if it holds more data than HD-DVD? Its like that game Heavenly Sword wastes soo much space on the disc and only lasts around 12hrs.
More space doesnt automatically mean better quality or more content it just means someone is sitting there a bit longer thinking 'Emmm I have all this space now what should i throw in there'.
Look at 300 on HD-DVD its double sided SD and HD and it has exclusive extras not on blu-ray version AND ALL HD-DVD's are region free.
Only some blu-ray movies are region free and most of the films are of poor quality in playback.
I want Sony to lose the format I hate the name I hate the colour of the box and I just hate Sony releasing a new optical medium - they never learn do they.
I am in the HD-DVD camp and I hope HD-DVD WINS!
That is pathetic, i want the cheapest and the best format to win, The majority of studio's want blu-ray to win for the fact that the security is so much better on those discs.
As there sick of losing revenue through piracy.
Sony likes to do its own thing and release its own format different from everyone else.
If you've had a Sony PC before, you know a lot of its component are incompatible with other PCs, and a lot of other PC components are not compatible with Sony PCs. And PCs are supposed to be compatible with each other.
Mini-Disc, UMD, DLT, Memory Stick, on and on, Sony always wants to have its own standard that's different from everyone else... and most of them have never catch on.
plain and simple. with more space bluray is future proofing so that if new technology arises, there will be space to use it. No matter how you try to spin it, MORE SPACE IS BETTER!
It has all those extra features and yet 300 on blu-ray outsold the hd-dvd counterpart by a 2:1 ratio.
I swear there not much more than an excessively overly budgeted Uwe Boll film. After Bad Boys his films wen't down hill and hit rock bottom with Pearl Harber and yet to climb out of his "sucky" hole. By the way Michael Bay, I seen Transformers so thanks for f**king up my childhood entertainment.
keep saying blu ray is superior if thier reason why blu ray is superior to hd dvd is the space you can forget about that because hd dvds space are soon going to be put up to 51 gigs. if you dont believe me go to the link below