SystemLink: "Quickscoping, one of the blights of Modern Warfare 2 that angered so many gamers, seems to have been eliminated in the new upcoming Call of Duty, Black Ops."
'Gotta be more careful about where you tread now, snipers.. Better keep low, I'd say. :P
This is stupid and makes no sense. Why have a perk that only works with "SOME" weapons and not others? Snipers are already at a huge disadvantage against assault rifles and SMGs and look at the weapon balance in Black Ops; there are 10 assault rifles, 9 SMGs and 4 sniper rifles, there is no stopping power and it takes forever to scope in. Just take fucking snipers out of the game then since you already put snipers at a huge fucking disadvantage!!!
dude are you serious snipers are not at a disadvantage you dont even have to fully scope in and you can get a headshot on a guys half way across the map
Actually, snipers shouldn't really have to deal with AR's, SMG's or any of that. Do you know why? Because they're supposed to be hidden. AWAY from the action. Snipers are there to pick off a camping soldier or scout further ahead for his team. Not up there trying to shoot his M40A3 at close range like its a shotty.
The community can't have it both ways; because if I sit on Wasteland with my termal scoped WA2000 with coldblooded pro, scavenger pro, claymores and smoke; build my killstreaks and go 30 and 3, I get called a camper in the lobby the next game. How often do quickscopers go positive, they do it for fun and are at a huge disadvantage doing so.
its not a disadvantage unless you go around spraying the damn rifle. IMO it doesn't make sense, for soh not to work but the sniper isn't at a disadvatage.
Because im fcuking fed up of XXGayScopesXX trying to quick scope some one when its 1 on 1 in the overtime round of SnD.
StanLee has a point. Starting with MW2, COD has gimped snipers. The small maps, lack of claymores and lack of sniping spots with minimal entry points sucks in MW2 for snipers. Now in Black Ops they take away stopping power, well they had better make the sniper rifles 1-shot kills then. COD4 and WaW were far better games for snipers.
Dude them taking out Slieght of Hand Pro's ability on the Sniper is the best thing that they could ever do to make people happy. Quickscoping is the worst gamebreaker in MW2. And now that Treyarch is addressing this makes it so much better.
BWAHAHAHA but-but-but what's Optic going to do now? There's working hard over there at Trey. Good job. :thumbsup:
Hahahhaaha man, that was the funniest shit I have ever read on here. Amen brother.
How is quickscoping gamebreaking? Those who do it already put themselves at a disadvantage and I'm not advocating quick scoping. The sight time for Sniper rifles is too slow, sleight of hand pro is a huge advantage when I see someone in the distance to get my scope up and get my shot on target before he kills me with his assault rifle from across the map with no fucking recoil. What's gamebreaking is scavenger replenishing grenades and equipment. Balance it so it only replenishes ammo if you want to fix a fucking game breaker. The last few games they've done nothing but fuck with the COD formula to make the game more accessible to whiny losers.
of course it's gamebreaking, don't even try to say that it's not. A sniper rifle should never ever beat any gun in close in range combat and yet in MW2 it does because of the Aim assist that when someone scopes in, it goes automatically to that person and they're dead. It's like have a shotgun sniper, it's stupid. And obviously that's not the only gamebreaker, but you can just assume that's the only problem I have with the game, I don't care. You must have started FPS's on call of duty, right? you keep telling yourself that there isn't anything wrong with quickscoping.
Snipers are perfectly good in mw2. It's better to have sniper rifles be on the weak side than to have overpowered unbalanced sniper rifles like in Bad company 2.
@DarkTower805: " Starting with MW2, COD has gimped snipers. The small maps, lack of claymores and lack of sniping spots with minimal entry points sucks in MW2 for snipers." huh? "lack of claymores"? i dunno what game youre playing, but theres no lack of claymores in MW2 lol. theyve been in MW2 since day 1, havent been taken out lol. Quick Sniping is a glitch - thats all there is to it. im 100% glad its been taken out, because not only is it annoying to get headshotted from across the map when the person who shot you didnt even look down their scop, but its annoying to be spraying someone with an uzi close range only for them to one-shot glitch shot you with a sniper rifle. MW2 is fine for real snipers - there are plenty of places to hide, and plenty of places where you can plant claymores to block the entrances to where you are. but glitching using the quick-scope is NOT fine.
LOL im glad this is being done i hated watching to nobjockeys jumping around the map trying to quickscope each other for about 5 minutes in a s&d match when there the only ones left, its a stupid bug and makes sniping take zero skill to do now if ur gonna snipe you have to actually aim at the person , i know this will be tough on the so called leet snipers because they will need to actually use skill but who cares.
Boohoo StanLee. Now you'll have to get your kills without exploiting a game flaw. Snipers who take advantage of this are worse than noob-tubers. As for your comment "Just take fucking snipers out of the game"...know what? Fine. Snipers throw off the balance of CoD. Frankly they have no place in it in my opinion. Since spawn points rotate there's no real way to use them properly anyway. Go play Battlefield instead. They're useful in that.
Now you'll have to snipe they way it's SUPPOSED to be done. Boo hoo. Well done Treyarch. Liking you more and more...
I said "lack of", not absence of. COD4 = 2 claymores, WaW = 2 bouncin betties (or 3), MW2 = 1 claymore. See the difference?
That's why they are removing the quick scope... it wouldn't be called a quick scope if it was slow. Makes sense to me, how many snipers shows have you seen with snipers running around quick scoping. Snipers should hide in the weeds not run around like total idiots with a glitchy auto aim. Get rid of akimbo too... or make it so you cant stab and climb with two shot guns in your hand. Stabbing lame too. You cut the buttons off my shirt while i pump 5 rounds from my AK to your face. NICE!
@DarkTower805: "I said "lack of", not absence of. COD4 = 2 claymores, WaW = 2 bouncin betties (or 3), MW2 = 1 claymore. See the difference?" guess youve never used One Man Army then? cause you can have 2 claymores out at a time if you put one down, change class, then put another one down. so no, i dont see the difference. you could have 2 claymores in MW, and you can have 2 claymores in MW2. 2 = 2. no difference mate.
Sleight of hand pro should be removed, entirely. It makes every weapon feel like crap, when you're not using it, because they slowed down the time to ADS, just so they could add the perk which speeds it up. Snipers aren't balanced in the first place, sorry. Yeah you might get annoyed by a guy that kills you, every now and then - but even with the sleight of hand pro of MW2 a Sniper isn't better than an AR. Balance wise, this is definitely the wrong decision. Hell even in COD4 it would be EXTREMLY rare that a sniper would ever do as well as a AR or SMG user, that got worse in MW2... and looks to get worse again in Black Ops. Of course the main problem is the maps simply aren't fit for ranged gameplay... COD is a CQC game, for the most part. There are very few maps in MW2 that offer sniping potential, and none where a sniper is more viable than an SMG or AR.
"but even with the sleight of hand pro of MW2 a Sniper isn't better than an AR. " I strongly disagree. You can one-shot people shotgun-style with the sniper rifle (and to make matters worse, do so from any distance). Not so with an AR.
Very happy with this, "quickscoping" is one of the most annoying things about MW2
actually this is GREAT, quickscoping was far to easy in mw2.. it was much harder in WaW & cod4.. you can still do it in this too but like it says its gonna be harder which is good news for us who had to learn the hard way in previous games xD i can quickscope with marathon etc in mw2 anyway :) although they could still allow fast reloads :/.. im planning to use ghost/hardened/ninja on my sniper in blackops anyway xD
that has to pick and choose his targets, by using both tactics and real weapon mastery. This is outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can not let this stand I call for the petittion of: Bring back my talentless steady aim Commando filled game. Go here for details: http://riddlethos.com/wp-co...
Quick Scoping is fun with a bunch of friends in a private match (talking atleast 8 people), but in a real game it pisses me off when they easily have them for the kill but decide to act like their all that on their last kill, spinning a 360 and missing, only to be killed because of their stupidity.
I 100% agree and am surprised to see people hating on this. They are doing a good thing in terms of balance and actually listening to the community. Give Treyarch the benefit of the doubt, BO is really sounding like a good game
Explain to me how it benefits balance. Quick scoping might be annoying for those killed, but it's not unbalanced - for sure.
not unbalanced lol its a bug that lets you autoaim at an enemy and one shot them from any range how is that balanced, i get the feeling you are afraid you may need some skill to snipe now hmmmm? this is one of the best things they could do to the game imo.
Bug? What are you talking about? the no-scoping 'bug' could be seen as one, but not the quick scoping. Plus, I don't touch snipers. Not very good with them. I liked them in COD4, and wouldn't mind it if they were returning it to that state, but no - looks like ARs specifically will still be overpowered for the mid-long ranges. When they should only be most viable in the mid. Plus, don't try and 'flame' me like that. I didn't bring anyones abilities into question. I only use SMGs, and my MW2 KDR is at 3.2:1, so as that reflects. I really don't have a problem with snipers doing what they're doing.
Looks like trayarch has listen to all the whinners and sore looseres from mw2, god job tryarch, thats why you always stay behind infinity ward if yall get quick scoped is because you are all running around like headless chickens around the map
Says the guy who no doubt runs round with an un-balanced one hit kill weapon
theEx1Le quit bitchin if you don't like it go play BC2
he doesnt need to go play bbc cos the new cod will eliminate no skilled snipers from one shotting ppl across the map without aiming maybe you will have to learn how to use the sight now hmmm?
So are traditional snipers hated in mw2 or what? Because in bc2 you need snipers to keep the enemies snipers busy. @socomnick "Snipers are perfectly good in mw2. It's better to have sniper rifles be on the weak side than to have overpowered unbalanced sniper rifles like in Bad company 2." Lmao weaker sniper rifle, which is hilariously ironic due to how much energy is behind a typical sniper rifle round especially the .50 cal and it's successor. Yeah overpowered sniper rifles with a slower rate of fire than any other gun out there with a 5 round clip if your lucky. That is typical a 1 hit kill weapon in rl. Use bolt action sniper rifles in bc2, then tell me they are overpowered vs the crawlingly slow rof you damn crybaby, if anything nerf the ar and lmgs long range accuracy in bc2 to make it more even. The semi auto snipers are basically useless to me take too many body shots vs ba rifle's 1-3 depending on the range. Let me guess your a run and gunner, bitching that his smg has too slow a rof or shotgun is underpowered or vice versa. People complaining the sniper rifles need to be nerfed, especially bolt actions need to stop being babies, they are keyword (Distant) preferably 1 hit kill weapons, not cqc weapons. And i am guessing from his lovely comments that crazy is one of the run and gun snipers that uses quick scoping with a high damage, no recoil sniper rifle. It's nice to know that games like bc2 or mag, people like him will avoid, due to no unbalanced perks or weapons, but bare bones your enemies skill vs your own. I figured the sniper/recon would be my worst class in bc2, but it is very fun, especially 1 on 1 sniper duels. @darktower kinda dumb question but given the power of most sniper rifles shouldn't all at least headshots, with a sr be an instant kill or does mw2 not make a significant distinction between a body/headshot damage wise.
Hurt by this crzyjackbauer? Quick scoping is total bs and even the people who are trying to defend it know it because thats how they get most of thier kills. It takes absolutely no skill to bring up your scope and press fire in the 1.2 seconds it takes. In real life if you are running into a battlefield with a sniper rifle your ass is grass unless you are hiding in the bushes. No one runs into a fire fight with a sniper rifle. No one.
You know that the sniper rifle is a distant weapon? You know the purpose of the scope, right? The reason those guns COME with a scope ATTACHED ALREADY is for you to use them to shoot people from a distance. I don't recall sniper school, having any of the isntructors show us running out in the open and no scoping people. Looks like you'll have to find another way to exploit the game.
its just a game you and all you whiners will find ways to bitch about every little detail in one game just admit that you suck at it when Black Ops comes out you will be whining about something in it and i will see you in the Forums if you don't like MW2 why the hell do you still play it?
Actually, I enjoy MW2. It's really funny because you're sitting here, attempting to insult me about a video game and stating I suck, yet you can quick scope with Auto-Aim Assist, SoH Pro, Steady Aim, and Stopping Power. My grandmother can quick scope in MW2. It was much harder to do in COD4. Also, People that quiuck scope or no scope in games like Gears of War are pure talent and impressive. People who do it in this game are just nerdy teenagers who think it's cool because it's EASY. It's fine though, all the real gamers who enjoy fun and balanced play will hop over to Black Ops, and you can quick-scope the pre-teens on MW2 all day long. Funny thing is, you're probably 12.
I think the point here, crzyjackbauer, is that YOU suck at MW2. IF you can't win without utilizing a known exploit, that indicates a lack of true skill on your part. I like MW2 but people like you just get in the way. Nobody is impressed when you win a round by doing this kind of thing. It takes no discernible skill to play this way. You're probably the same kind of person who likes to hide inside rocks, on top of buildings that are supposed to be inaccessible, etc. It's the same as a baseball player corking his bat. Sure, anyone can do it, but to try to defend it is a total joke. @JeffGUNZ: Bubbles, man.
yet i think is kind of odd to make it where the perk will work on everything expect snipers when your still able to quickly load noob tubes with slight of hand pro..
no your still able to use slight of hands primary ability, where you can reload faster, it's just that you can't use it's pro ability where you aim down the sights faster(look into scope faster).
lol did you even read bullet's comment? you can still reload noob tubes quickly with sleight of hand, which is stupid. I'm looking forward to Black Ops seriously, but the scavenger/sleight of hand noobtubing is lame. well i'm looking forward the fully automatic FAMAS in Black Ops, no more sniping for me... Oh and I can't wait for the customization abilities of the game!
That's good to hear.
the game, although Treyarch is making a valuable effort - will still be a dlc + money grabbing, unbalanced pos
If thy publisher ask, thou shall bend over and procreate
Now all they have to do is take away thermal scopes from snipers. That always annoyed me in MW2... just aim and shoot at the white blob
I am not happy. I like private quick scoping matches and snipers in call of duty need this. Most of the maps are not sniper friendly so they are forced to sometimes get in a firefight against a machine gun user. So if they are able to aim quickly and shoot them they have a chance of getting a kill or hit. If SMGs, ARs, and LMG,s are able to use this perk then they will destroy snipers even more than they already do.
heres a lil tip for you .....dont use a sniper on confined maps and also switch to your secondary weapon when in cqc, if ppl are getting close enough to you so you have to quickscope to win you arent sniping properly in the first place. you have to take ur shot then move to another area and so on.
Thats why u switch to your secondary while your moving.
if you loose against a sniper with your assault rifle you seriously suck anyways.
you obviously have never played MW2 more than 5 mins
Have you played hardcore team deathmatch? You will be like WTF just hit me.
why do you play hardcore if you suck at it? really makes no sence
agreed this is just a result of dumbass noobs getting pwnd and dumbass treyarch listening to them
How old are you? Look, if you want to do CQC, use an AR. Sniper rifles are meant for range. If you don't like Treyarch FIXING this problem, don't buy Black Ops. You won't be missed.
assault rifles dont beat a sniper in close quarters if the sniper is quickscoping the rifle will take about 5 shots to kill the sniper the sniper will kill you in one
Lol thats the opposite of bc2, if it goes to cqc with a ar as a sniper, better to use the pistol. Because if you try the sniper rifle at very- close range, usually the assault guy will murder you 9 times out of 10.
no noob tubes next please. No?, okay, for COD8 then
You mean no danger close or any explosive enhancers.
there are noob tubes but the good news is that there is no danger close and you have to buy it. Not many people will waste the cod points for a noob tube.....Hopefully
"Not many people will waste the cod points for a noob tube.....Hopefully" Ha, you'll be surprised, noob tubes will the first thing people buy to get an advantage.
Or at least only give noobs one grenade to launch, not two. That'll discourage a lot of people from using it.
At least noob tubers have to aim. Noob tubing can be annoying but it's not an exploit, and you COULD always use a blast shield to counter it. I do think Danger Close should not apply to the noobtube, though. There's no real counter to some jackass who is bunny-hop auto-aim half-scope one-shotting you with a weapon that was never intended for that purpose.
thats S*** !!! its not like anyone can quickscope, it takes practice :\ ppl make it sound like its cheating :@ defo no buy now ! its gonna be a game full of campers now !
Quick Scoping does'nt require Sleight of Hand Pro. If you can't quick scope without it maybe you should practice or don't buy the game.
Dude forreal, Qscopin requires skill at least for me it did. I had to practice to get good at it. I don't know anything about this bug/exploit/hack/auto-aim thing everyone's talking about. must be a 360 thing... "Did I doo that?"
that was painful to read