Microsoft product director Aaron Greenberg has questioned the launch software line-up for PlayStation Move - claiming that most games for the device are merely modified "controller-based" titles.
Well done, Good sir! Bubbles for you!! :D I like to move it, move it as well :P
Agreed. Move is a blast.
Kinect is set to release on Nov4. That's pretty stupid seeing it well get overshadowed by the much anticipated launch of GT5 this Nov2.
I thought Microsoft don't stoop to this level? /s
That's some really desperate spin right there. There's just so many reasons he's wrong I'm not even gonna list them...
nobody takes him seriously
Poor Microsoft and their knit-picking. If I was a MS fanboy I would have trouble defending the 360 ahahahaha.
The move is an alternate control scheme and not a required one. That will change at some point as I am sure sony will want to have some dedicated Move ONLY titles. By that, you will not be able to play them any other way. Sony knows they cant all of a sudden abandon the DS3 control because that is the main control focus for the system. Unlike Nintendo who's wiimote is used for EVERY title made for the wii. Maybe not fully supported but there are wiimote traces built in to each game. Kinect on the other hand, that one will have Kinect ONLY titles. Maybe there will come a time where they will have combo games using the kinect and controller but for now....its all about the gesture based games. I feel that both move and kinect will play an even BIGGER role in their next platforms. Possibly being the focal point to the controls right out of the box. It also wouldnt surprise me if Sony were to integrate move in things other than games. Maybe even have it as the remote of the future for their Bravia sets. This is just the beginning.
Aaron Greenberg, the pot calling the kettle black What games does kinect have to offer at launch? Shovelware and nothin for the core gamer
*sigh* .... *says the guy that try to sell kinectimals*
@darthv72 if they ever do games using both Kinect & a controller, it will defeat the whole idea of Kinect, "You are the controller". Then its basically the same as Move and Wii just about, which they're trying to differentiate themselves from.
I see your point. IMO, the additional controller scheme approach is the best implementation of motion controller because it eases players into the technology (especially in mid console cycle) and prepares them for the next-gen of motion controls. There's nothing like drastically forcing people to into a new technology, you have a 50/50 chance of success (Bluray & HD DVD). Nintendo was the exception because it was new tech & such a novelty that everyone bought one, just to try it out. However, most hardcore gamers quickly realized that wasn't that great for their brand of games (in most cases). Choice is always a good thing for the consumer!
So instead of giving you OPTIONS, MS would rather just force it on you? LOL, yea I'll stick with Sony's approach.
@darthv72 What are you talking about? Sports Champion is Move only and does not work with a controller. Others give you options, but Move only games are already here. Greenberg is a douche. Blubbing some crap to get recognized. There will be as many "Move Only" games as Kinect only games (if not more) PLUS (!) the ones giving you options for either move or the controller.
to those who are able to understand what i am saying. People so quick to hit the disagree are obviously seeing what they want instead of what is being said. Move is a great option for sony and for it to really succeed they need to create the necessity for it. Just making it an option isnt enough. They really need to capitalize on what it could do. Incentives in games that no DS3 could achieve. What greenburg is saying about the current titles on the market is somewhat true. They are existing games being patched for move as an alternate control type. Sports champions..yes there is 1 game that requires the move but then again it COMES with the move bundle. I am really looking forward to what sony can do beyond an alternate control for LBP or KZ2. I am not downing move at all. Please understand that I (like many of you) would like to see the realization of what sony has in mind come to fruition instead of seeing it turn into another wii clone. Quality of games are what sets it apart from the wii but unless sony comes out with some sort of quality control I fear titles COULD end up with tacked on motion support like what has happened with wii.
Pew pewwww. Greenberg needs to look at kinects software first, because waving your hands in the air and stopping red balls (with lag) is the game EVERYONE wants!
So none of the games they designed for Kinect where ever done with eyetoy?
What you're saying is that Sony needs to make games that can't be done with a controller, and that MR. Grennburg is right because all there kinect games cannot be done with a controller, but I don't think that makes Kinect 'better,' I think if anything, it cripples them. Sony has a choice to patch games that can use both DS3 and MOVE (RE5, Heavy Rain) or make totally new games that can't be done without a controller (Tumble, Start the party, Sorcery.) The move controller really gives sony the opportunity to pretty much create any game they want, were as to microsoft, I don't think there able to achieve that just yet.
Which is precisely why I prefer Move to Kinect. I want to be able to play games I like in a brand new way (a la Killzone 3 or Heavy Rain). That's the brilliance of it. Playing "modified" controller games beats the hell out of talking to little boys and jumping around all over the place.
@darthv72 One need only looke at titles like echochrome ii to see just how much of a brilliant idea that move is. In echochrome 2 the wand doubles as a sort of flashlight and the objective is to change the perspective of the light to alter shadows. This is simply brilliant and something that just cant be done using traditional controllers. Sony has given consumers "CHOICE" just like they have always done. With move you arent forced to use move with every game. I've already 100% completed re5 and now that move is here I have incentive to go back and play a game that I stopped playing nearly a year ago.. Thats powerful marketing no matter how you spin it. Ohh and intial reports are that retailers cannot keep up with the demand of move far surpassing sony's own expectations of sales.. This thing is a hit..
If you care about those bubbles of yours you should refrain from posting any posts that agree with M$ position...even on a M$ based thread.
On Topic...Greenberg is right of course...it's common sense. The games have to be designed from the ground up to work with whatever controller was envisioned. Sony doesn't care, just patch it in there and tell them it's hardcore even if it doesn't work...like shoving your Sony Move towards the TV to pick up a weapon while your being shot at in KZ or add aiming assist to make up for the impossible to steady aiming reticule...stuff like that.
Kinect games will be unique because they will be built to use the unique capabilities built in to Kinect. The next wave of Kinect games will impress and be custom to the Kinect experience.
This one always makes me laugh... http://www.youtube.com/watc... But the author of this article is trolling. Well, anything for hits I guess.
the games at launch for kinect were eyetoy games, and remember what happened last time sony made a game this gen that was only playable with motion control? (You know, didn't give you a choice?) The game was called "Lair" and the reviewers just refused to give the game a fair shake, just because of that approach. Sony patched the game so it's now playable by normal means, but oh no, the game is still crap in their eyes (even though it was never THAT bad to begin with, now since the patch the game is a solid 8.)
Now since M$ is doing the same thing, with even less impressive software than even Lair, I'm sure we will see plenty of reviews being completely impartial and giving Kinect's crap the same treatment./s
And we care what this person thinks about it why?
Since the Move is alot more successful then everyone thought it would be MS is doing some serious damage control.
And Kinect is basically trying to do the same thing that move is doing just in a different manor.
Or anything from Greenberg, really. Edit: Bubble for Kain81 ;D
he's basically admitting that kinect isn't versatile enough to be able to be ported to existing games. he's trying to make one of move's strengths look like a weakness. hilarious.
MariaHelFutura calls Greenbergs sanity into question.
1:1 is for real and Kinect has ALOT to prove.
Just because its likely going to need a few months after launch to prove itself? Deliver on promises made two years ago? Do in fact what Move and the PSeye are already doing?
Dear Greenburg F*ck you. oh and if you wanna question software how about this http://www.gametrailers.com...
i just saw that video,n boys if u want play this with somebody u have to stay a way about 1m, or BAM...how this gonna work here in uk?most living rooms r 4x3m. ex;1 avarage person with both arms up in air, will b about 1m,75cm length. now make the maths, remember the living room got units sofas etc.
avarage living room size; 4x5m.well my is a 3 bedroom house, n got that size.2 bedroom may b r smaller or same size.
Got the Move yesterday (actually the bundle & and extra controller) and I've had a blast with it. Currently playing RE5 and it's very accurate. Move is FAR more accurate than the wiimote. Calibration in Sports Champions takes a matter or 5 seconds and makes the game react precisely to every minute movement. Very pleased with move, and all 4 of us who played it until 2:30 in the morning are as well. Software is good, not great, but with the games set to be released and the few that are getting patched, Move already has a solid lineup. The same CANNOT be said for Kinect, which has shown to be very poor at what it claims to do. There's a reason why both Sony and Nintendo passed up on the Kinect tech years ago...it doesn't work well enough.
I picked it up yesterday as well. I've been VERY impressed. It took a little time to get my camera set up right (I have little space to work with) so that my son and I can both be easily visible, but now that it's rolling, it's really been amazing. Sports Champions is great because the different difficulty levels impact how 1:1 or gesture based the controller is. It's been a ton of fun. Unlike many of the reviews, I like ALL of the titles on SC. I even find myself jumping to spike in Beach Volleyball. And Bocce Ball is a good team-based game. The accuracy of Table Tennis is astounding Move has my approval. Greenburg is yet to earn it.
@Parapraxis LMAO, you just copy & pasted ur exact same comment from the CVG comments.
@inveni0 I jump too lol...haha
guilty as charged I am a jumper also I will have bare spots on the celing soon enough as I am 6'3" and I won't be playing with anyone else because well I am just to darn longand my living room is too dam small
ive got to agree, move is a blast to play. I got my move bundle on friday, played the sports champion demo then bought the full game today. and i love it, especially gladiators thats great fun. me and my bro have played it none stop, i hope they add online to it tho. table tennis tournaments online would be mega.
LMAO I jump in volleyball and gladiator duel.. My arms, butt, thighs, calves forearms, chest, shoulders and abs havent stopped aching since I bought my move.. Its a workout! lol but it's soooo much fun.. Thank you sony..
I like to Move it, remix: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
How about saying that most of what Kinect can do has already been done with PS EYE, so it is not revolutionary. What MS did to this generation is a Technology: Apocalypse Or Eden. Basically what they did was try & destroy PS EYE/Sony stating that it is not needed in gaming & now make it their own by saying it is now the FUTURE Of GAMING (hell no) with this function/feature & so on. Apocalypse Or Eden- destroying something & trying to make it more Advance for Future purpose which KINECT is NOT, it's not even WORKING properly. How about you cover that TOPIC Aarongant Greenberg
He must be h!gh on some serious drug$
don't make it personal .. and people can't choose how their faces looks right?
I had a choice of three faces when I was born, didn't you?
Considering the smoke and mirrors of the fake Kinect stage presentations Greenburg couldn't have made a bigger ass of himself with these remarks. Doesn't he remember being at E3? GC? http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... And everyone's favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
but sadly the Kinect system will neither work in smoke or with mirrors.
Or in bright light, if you happen to need to sit down or are black, or in a skirt/baggy trousers.
Agree Morg, agree mantisimo.
All the links you provided are flat out embarrassing. MS has no shame at all and Greenburg proves that every time he opens his mouth.
Videos were painful to watch :/ I can't believe Microsoft is going to sell that to people... for more then the move
Yeah Mike it's embarrassing. The thing that pains me even more is that I know Kinect will sell atleast twice as much as Move will. MS will throw immense amounts of money on marketing and show falsified adverts for Kinect where the lag is non existant and there are no misinterpretations made by the camera at all.
Kinect will sell atleast 4-5 million in USA but here in europe they can't lie to people without being sued to hell so here Kinect won't sell that much I would think. Could be wrong though but I hope I'm not. We don't even need to talk about Japan (I hope).
Wow... that third video had one UGLY girl. Was that even a girl?
Greenburg's really making it hard for me to pull my punches about kinect until I get to try it. If you're going off of what's out at launch, even if all of kinect's software is custom-made, it's still going to be mostly rail-shooters and/or simplistic controls from what we know about most of the games shown for kinect.
I could not wait for move to come out, but now that I know what this is, I most said that its nothing more than the wii numbchucks plus. I wont be buying this at all, I stick to my PS3 controllers, but who knows, maybe they have something worth trying for it, but I dont want no more innacurate stuff like the wii controllers, I had enough of that.
it is acurate and you have to move for it to workif you don't move enough it doesn't work( unlike wii)
Well said. Although I think the Move is worth getting even at this early stage.
Dude move blows the wii out of the water. Graphics are crisp and clean, sound is great, controls are precise and intuitive. Best of all its true 1:1 movement.. Every movement you make is represented in the game unlike the wii's gesture based pre canned animations.. Trust me move is worth every penny..
The biggest deciding factor is how well it's implemented into Action/FPS/RPS/RTS games. For FPS games (the most popular genre presently) they need to make sure they allow the option for a stationary reticle (in the middle of the screen) and only move the camera, like shooter fans are use too. I've seen quite a few MAG/Socom4/Killzone 3 forum posts on the topic... I think that will make or break the acceptance of Move for the shooter fan.
Sports Champion 75
Start The Party 55
Racquet Sports 54
Kung Fu Rider 36
Eye Pet Move edition* 69
Ok so lets tally it up shall we?
59.7 %. Except for Sports Champion, nothing on Move right now is worth picking up.
*breaking the rule a bit here since there's a version that can be played without Move. The score would have been 57% without it in we'll let it in.
By the way, this is how i got the percentages because I know we didn't all take maths in school.
(75 + 69 + 55 + 54 + 36 + 69)/600. 600 because all their scores are out of a hundred each.
So in all honesty here, if you take off your SONY shades, you'll see that Aaron is saying it like it is.
Yeah, we are looking forward to the 100% Kinect only titles. They sure will show us. /s
But... all the games you mentioned weren't the ones Greenburg was referring to. He was knocking the Move for games that use the Move as an alternate controller, like MAG, SOCOM 4, Killzone 3, LBP2, Heavy Rain, etc. Lets compare the review scores of those games to the Kinect-exclusive titles he wants to compare them to, when Kinect comes out, shall we?
..uh-huh ndibu. M'kay...I see what you're getting at, with your supercilious tone. Why don't you 'n Aaron (it's cool that you're both on first name terms), magic up some statistics in two months, eh? Sports Champions, Eye-Pet, and Tumble have reasonably good scores, and its gonna be interesting to see how the Kinect release day line up pans out. So, see you in two months, where we can compare like for like. Wheeeeeee! Fingers crossed, eh little fella!
ra ra ra reviews are everything. how about play the games yourself and then talk?
Hehe. Wii Sports - 75% Elebits - 75% Red Steel - 65% See how this works? As one more point of note - Metacritic doesn't have all the scores in their averages, and in the case of Tumble, it is rather harshly rated as 3.5/10 by IGN which is clearly a symptom of a bad review/reviewer in that case and drags the average down. r.
Greenburg really get's on my nerves.
Pew Pew Pew!!! http://i41.tinypic.com/23wo... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Speaking to GamesMaster's Rory Smith for CVG at Tokyo Games Show, Greenberg said that MS's launch software for Kinect was in stark contrast to Move's - as it had been built specifically for the device.
"I think that most of the experiences designed for Kinect were designed from the ground up," he said. "The difference is, it seems, a lot of the games made for Move are really controller-based games that [developers have] added the Move functionality to.
"Our approach has been different, because we feel that a controller is the best way to play games like Halo or Call of Duty. So we'd rather not have you have to choose between using a controller or motion controller; we'd rather design experiences that are uniquely made for Kinect.
-hmmm, despite the headline everything he said seems pretty accurate to me, the only thing to really disagree about is that move may also have some games built from the ground up only for move also, but the point is move is also more controller oriented with move support added, which btw theres nothing wrong with that its just a different focus vs kinect, so he does make a great point when he alludes to this difference with "Our approach has been different" etc...aaahhh but I guess when sony comments about micro its taken as gospel on n4g, any comment about sony from micro no matter how accurate it is, is a NO, NO, lmfao...n4g has become a sony trolled cesspool.
-I actually wish micro would copy sonys strategy with motion controls= lean more to utilizing kinect+standard controls for more hardcore experiences, I think this combination would show off kinects versatility and that would be far more interesting to me than all this casual BS I've seen so far from both companys.
I like the praising MS for doing Kinect only stuff.I read early on that devs HAVE to code ground up for Kinect and that putting it in half way through development or as a patch is not possible.I think MS would love have this level of software support but they can only pay so many devs at once.The fact is that Kinect would not work on games like shooters,it's too slow and unresponsive with no buttons to fire. MS have a problem that when they release Kinect it will face direct comparison with Move.They need Kinect exclusives to avoid a head to head.Apart from dancing games I see no way Kinect could come out on top.