Gizmodo contacted Paramount about the rumor that the HD DVD camp paid them $150 million for exclusive studio support. Hit the link for the response.
I agree with one of the comments made in the site this is from, who da fuc cares who payed who and what.
This is borderline spam but is usful to Some i guess.
Way to keep this the buzz going its helping HD-DVD. Great work. J/K
then what does that make your reply. I've noticed you've posted in each and every one of the HD-DVD/paramount threads.
power of green defender of hd dvd. if not the first than the second to post. hhhhmmmm im guessing you bought the hd dvd add on for the 360.....am i right? come on you can tell us. lol
I don't think PoG is that dumb.
in the real world standalones will win the format war. PS3 helping BR the sales should be 10 to 1 with the 100K standalone Blu Ray players that BDA claims that they sold, but it's only a 2 to 1 lead. Then Sony using propaganda claiming the consumers have decided when in reality it's the fanboys that are helping Sony. The world is not filled with fan boys.
Yeah, of course they do. But Blu-ray is still selling more movies and when the standalone blu ray players go down in money eventually Hd-Dvd won't be able to buy support because of the money the movie companies will be losing.
Disagree with me all u want u d!pSh!ts it's true.
Haha.. sure as if Sony didnt give their supporting studio... insentives... those that didnt get insentives are currently supporting both formats.
It's called installed base. That's movie and game formats 101 for you.
bc it is cheaper for them to produce. And overall consumers that buy DVD players choose HDDVD.
HDDVD offers more features than Bluray and the disks for HDDVD will now be 51 Gigs. HDDVD is also a benefit to movie producers bc HDDVDs can be stamped on regular DVD lines with minimal upgrades.
Sony introduced Bluray onto the market a year after HDDVD. If Sony would not have been so greedy there would already be a new "standard" being HDDVD. Initially Sony and Toshiba were supposed to split the royalties of this new media.
They were in a joint venture together with the Bluray laser technology as well as the cell processor. Sony just wanted all the money for themselves.
Sony knew that HDDVD had a huge head start in the market and would also be far cheaper than Bluray. So they decided to use the PS3 fanbase to force their media into the market.
So in the end all consumers suffer.
24k gold disks might be cheaper if you subsidize them by $150M.
the current hd dvd players dont support the 51 GB discs so what is you point now ?
I know that the current series of HD-DVD players don't support 3 layer, but the 3rd gen Tosh players are coming out in October and they just might.
Could you please do your research before you post. 51GB aren't even possible since they are having trouble reaching the theoretical limit.
That's like Blu-ray trying to get 33GB or 66GB, which is their theoretical limit for the blu-ray spec.
No. You are completely wrong.
Both formats are pretty well standardized by now. The likely hood of the triple-layer HD-DVD ever being really used is basically nil - it's not compatible with existing hardware, heads up for you 360 + HD-DVD owners.
Dropping $50 mil to Rockstar for a couple of GTA4 episodes is a waste of money.
Dropping $150 mil to Paramount/Dreamworks to deliver the biggest blow to Blu-ray... priceless.
Take note, Microsoft.
You know that Microsoft is part of the group that supposedly put up this money right?
format wars suck in any case, but jesus $150 is such a waste....hope that isnt true
It makes really good business sense when you think about it. This probably sounded like a hole in one opportunity to Paramount and Dreamworks. They are getting paid to take sides in a format war that currently accounts for probably less than 5% of the actual movie retail market. It's almost a no-brainer. They know this will not affect their usual DVD sales st all, so why not? Doing this only extends the amount of time it will take for the average consumer to decide now anyway.
Besides, by the time the exclusivity deal ends, the format war might be over anyway and they can still support whatever the hell they want.
Definitely a win-win situation for these two companies, but an overall headache and feeling of confusion for most of us.
THE REASON MY FRIENDS IS VERY PLAIN AND SIMPLE THEY CHOSE MONEY OVER THE CONSUMERS(PEOPLE). THEY DONT CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK AND LOVES BECAUSE GREED IS THEIR ULTIMATE MASTERS! BUT I BELIEVE SOMEDAY THEY WILL SEE THE BLUE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL! PEACE YA ALL!!
Here's a little bit of juicy "tabloit" that you don't read in Variety or The Hollywood Reporter:
Howard Stringer (Sony CEO) publicly attacked Steve Jobs (CEO/Chairman of Apple and Pixar) over iPod and iPhone, and criticized that Jobs is greedy (and more.) Stringer actually made the personal attack in a panel in front of other big guns (Jeff Bezos of Amazon, Sergey Brin of Google, etc.) That's just very "not cool". I almost fell out of my chair when I read about it -- how could Sony possible attack Steve Jobs when Apple/Pixar is supporting Blu-Ray?
Needless to say, soon everyone in the industry was talking about it. I could imagine Jobs was not too please and "expected" Stinger to issue an apology, but that has not happened. Apparently Stringer's big ego is more important than losing support from Apple/Pixar. Unfortunately for Stringer, Jobs has a big ego too. So now Pixar is pushing Disney to go neutral on the format war. This is gonna get ugly.
Anyway, if Pixar does decide to drop Blu-ray exclusivity on its own without (or with) Disney, Sony can only blame itself for having a big mouth and an intolerably arrogant culture and attitude. Hubris will be the death of Sony.
Sounds like Apple is not willing to be bought cheaply or is looking for more money. Neither camp in this format war is virtuous. They both aim to receive a royalty for every machine sold; that is the reward for winning the war. So anyone who truly values their hard earned money will let the format war be decided before putting their valuable money into this te
Sony seems to have no problem buying end-caps and becoming "Target Exclusive" why can't HD DVD play by the same rules?
The bottom line is that both formats are now pretty equal when it comes to studio support. Both will have about 400 movies out by the end of the year. So now the customer can decide what format they want and we'll see what happens.
that Sony or the Blu-ray Association have conducted with retailers and/or movie studios. Oh, that's right. They don't exist. The studios and retailers made all those decisions on their own; no one was 'bought out' as we've seen with this Paramount and Dreamworks Animation deal.
ha ha I like how all the sony kids say its only because of money, yeah and thats the same reason bluray studios started out only supporting that format= it isnt better in terms of quality or price for the consumer but also Paramount gave some valid reasons for switching sides
"The reason we made this decision is simple. After a year of fully experiencing and exploring both formats, we decided to exclusively support HD DVD because of the quality, value and potential the format offers. Beyond that, whenever we conduct co-marketing, production deals or other agreements, we never discuss business terms."
So a former bluray supporter has admitted HD DVD has better quality and value. Wow! what a blow to the HD DVD is dead claims, sony kids must be bent over in pain from that gut shot=
hey I have an idea, for all those bluray supporters who say they dont care which format wins but this only prolongs the format war and hurts the consumer, then I say start a petition and send it to all the bluray studios and tell them to support HD DVD only= that will end the format war fast and then we can move on watching all movies on HD DVD, ha ha sony kids be honest you care and you are brand loyal so you only want their to be one choice= sonys trojan horse bluray format that only sony kids want.
Valid reason to add to your list=MONEY
You would be blind to think that agreements like this don't have something to do with money. Honestly, how do you think Blu-Ray got all of the support it had? I'm sure there were some companies that just jumped on the train, but I can guarantee you the larger one on the BDA list came because of money.
And yes, I prefer Blu-Ray because I already have one. But don't you think that might be why a lot of people support HD-DVD? There's nothing wrong with that. Neither one of us want our hard-earned money to go down the drain. It's just the internet that somehow makes this whole thing seem personal.
And by the way, we are not all kids. In fact, that is one of the things I love about PSN. The lack of kids. Apparently kids have a harder time getting their parents to spend $500 on a video game console, and I for one am a happier gamer for it.
"ha ha I like how all the sony kids say its only because of money, yeah and thats the same reason bluray studios started out only supporting that format= it isnt better in terms of quality or price for the consumer but also Paramount gave some valid reasons for switching sides"
To sum it up Iam saying I understand this switch had alot to do with money same as bluray support did but I also go further on to say that Paramount did in fact give other reasons for their decsion also, most importantly saying its better in terms of "quality and value"= their words not mine, sorry nice try sony kid but once again=
But then the same thing can be said about the studious that support blu ray. I'm starting to think no side will win here, they're gonna start making dual format players. With the studious that HD DVD has, it can't die off, and with the studious that Blu ray has, it can't die off.
Sony has a lot riding on the blu ray format and I'm sure they are feeling the heat right now. I will be interesting to see how they counter this. Are they willing to throw more money around to get their format the edge again. Who knows but I guess it's a real war now.
Given Sony's "track record", I'd say that's the most likely scenario, the one we don't hear about.
Having dealt with Sony on numerous occasions, I have one word to describe Sony's corporate culture: Hubris, even by industry standard. Sony (or Sony's arrogance) is its own biggest enemy. It's not making too many friends with that attitude.
I've dealt with Microsoft on many occasions myself, and words cannot describe the vial feeling that rises in you when you are forced to deal with Microsoft. For a company with that much money, the people involved with it don't seem to have any clue what they are doing.
I find it a bit odd that you found "working" with Sony to be a displeasure. I thought it was night and day compared to Microsoft. Sony actually had well informed people who knew what they were talking about, and I've never had any problems with them. With Microsoft it seems like their number one step to everything is to figure out how to blame it on someone else, I don't like doing business that way.
calling sony's customer service does not mean you have dealt with them. we all know you probably live in your parents basement.
"And overall consumers that buy DVD players choose HDDVD."
Not true. Doesn't even need further comment, simply untrue and hasn't been proven. HD media accounts for less than 1% of the market.
"HDDVD offers more features than Bluray and the disks for HDDVD will now be 51 Gigs.
No it doesn't, they can and have used the exact same codecs, and "features" are determined by those who program the discs, not by the media themselves. TDK is currently working on a 200GB Bluray disc, and although previously 8 layer, they'll possibly increase each layer to 33 GB and utilize just 6 for the 200GB edition, so again...you're wrong.
"If Sony would not have been so greedy there would already be a new "standard" being HDDVD."
LOL, love how you twist the facts. There are 19 companies on the BDAs board of directors, and over 250 members of the association...so more than just Sony has a stake in Blu-ray, but nice try! It was also founded in 2002, so it wasn't a rushed attempt to undercut HD-DVD.
"Sony just wanted all the money for themselves."
Ok, now you just sound like a jealous toddler. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not too sure it's common business practice to share funds and assets with your competitors.
You really need to find a more clever or effective way to get your point across...because lying and making feeble minded declarations about Sony being greedy just won't cut it...join the debate team or something, I don't know, but it needs some work.
Awesome post. No need for further comment.
Thursday June 21, 2007 1:58 PM CDT - By: Michael Kwan
These figures are pretty skewed however. This is because of the 1.5 million Blu-ray players in the States, 1.4 million are PlayStation 3s and only 100,000 are standalone units.
By contrast, there are 150,000 Xbox 360 HD DVD players and approximately the same number of standalone players, bringing the total count to about 300,000. If we compare standalone to standalone, HD DVD has Blu-ray beat. It should also be noted that people who went out and bought the Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on must be particularly interested in the next-gen movie format, whereas people who bought a PS3 might just want the gaming.
Almost every single Bluray player sold is a PS3. Do you think that just bc you use a sophisticated vocabulary and try to undermind people's intelligence that I don't know what you really are.
It is so transparent Genki....May I ask what console you own??
And yes I am aware of the board of directors bw Bluray and HDDVD. HDDVD has many investors, same as Bluray. Although most people still think that HDDVD is just Microsoft and Toshiba.
And if rivals dont invest funds in each others projects how come Toshiba, Sony, and IBM all developed the cell processor???
Feb. 07, 2005
IBM, Sony, and Toshiba disclosed the architectural design of a jointly developed, multi-core "Cell" processor claimed to feature supercomputer-like floating-point performance and clock speeds in excess of 4 GHz, at the International Solid State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) today. Examples of anticipated applications include digital televisions, home servers, and supercomputers.
The format specifications for Bluray weren't even finalized when it was released. Proving that it was rushed.
Published Mar 27, 2007 by Justin Nolan
Here’s the deal. Blu-ray was rushed out the door in order to stay competitive with HD DVD. The Blu-ray Disc Association has only recently finalized the formats specifications, which most current players do not conform to. This includes the Playstation 3, and all of Sony’s own Blu-ray players. The lacking features include PIP support, part of BD-Java technology. Many players that even support BD-Java, do not support picture in picture.
After October 31, 2007, picture-in-picture (via BD-J) will be mandatory for players to carry the Blu-ray logo. New specification requirements also include 256MB of persistent memory storage, and a required 1GB for players with an internet connection. This new memory requirement is also part of the BD-J picture-in-picture spec.
So what does this mean for your current Blu-ray player? A simple firmware update, right? Well, a firmware update obviously won’t give you memory that isn’t already there. Andy Parsons, senior VP of advanced product development at Pioneer Electronics, believes picture-in-picture is too complicated to be fixed with an update.
I can just as easily prove you wrong but the only difference is that I can present facts.
So insult my intellect all you want. The agrees and disagrees on this site are all skewed anyways.
First off, sure you can ask me what console I own, it's a PS3. Never denied it, not ashamed of it, never will be. I own a single Blu-Ray movie - Arlington Road, fyi.
You are correct...nearly every Blu-Ray player sold is a PS3. Hoe does that support your argument though? all you're telling me is that there are quite literally more Blu-Ray players out there than HD-DVD players.
Translation: Higher potential range of consumers. Quote polls and such saying 13% or however many of the PS3 fanbase invest in Blu-Ray all you want, doesn't make a difference, because the sales numbers speak for themselves. Guess what else? The userbase is only growing, and what does that mean for Blu-Ray? More and more potential customers.
Also, what makes you think that HD-DVD owners don't also own Blu-Ray players in some way, shape or form? I hope you don't assume that everyone who owns one is a format fanatic and doesn't like what Blu-Ray exclusive studios have to offer. If you think that, let me assure you that you're sorely mistaken. This isn't an arms race...it's movies for crying out loud.
STI all developed the Cell processor together, because it will benefit them all and they all stand to profit from it. It's an agreement, a CONTRACT, not sharing bank accounts, so don't get it twisted. Should this mean that Sony, Toshiba, and IBM will be in bed together for the next 60 years or so? Of course not. The companies all have several different divisions, and make no mistake about it, they will always be competitors. With that logic, Codemasters should have only developed Dirt for the PS3 since their engine was optimized with help from Sony. See what I'm getting at? It's not that hard to comprehend. Ultimately I stick by my guns. Businesses will do what they need to turn a profit. In this case(and in the case of the 250 corporations backing Blu-Ray), they found a common interest in which they could all benefit, doesn't mean there will be a merger anytime soon, or every little decision in the future will be made with another company's consideration in mind. To think that would just be naive...
"The format specifications for Bluray weren't even finalized when it was released. Proving that it was rushed"
Sure, if you say so. Ever hear of something called revisions? It's what often times happens over the course of a particular products life. Happens with cameras, happens with consoles, happens with software. Blu-Ray is no exception. I for one am glad about this fact, as there will eventually be a 200GB edition in the future, and we can thank TDK for that. Again, going by your logic, the XBox 360 wasn't released with finalzes specs either(many would actually argue this point too, but I'm not so childish as to do so), considering the fact that they're releasing them with HDMI ports, additional heatsinks and most likely several other internal component changes.
"I can just as easily prove you wrong but the only difference is that I can present facts."
LMAO So I suppose everything I said was a lie, right? You kill me, you really do. Google anything I said, the answers are there for you to find. The REAL difference is that I don't stick my head in the sand and ignore what's right in front of me. You can like HD-DVD all you want, man, but you're turning this business into something entirely too personal. It's JUST MOVIES, GET A GRIP. You're among the minority that reacts to this format business like a spoiled child at a birthday party...so you're right. I really don't have to insult your intellect, because your foolishness is on display for everyone to see, and believe me, running into every news post spreading your nonsense and hatred is certainly not helping your case...
I commend you on presenting facts. I sincerely do. Doesn't explain your lies and childish remarks and lies such as:
"Thank you Sony for screwing all hardcore movie afficianados"
"And overall consumers that buy DVD players choose HDDVD."
"HDDVD offers more features than Bluray and the disks for HDDVD will now be 51 Gigs."
"If Sony would not have been so greedy there would already be a new "standard" being HDDVD."
"Sony just wanted all the money for themselves."
Let's hear your explanation for this nonsense. It's you who's twisting information. Aren't you a game developer? Surely you're a bit more well informed than this...
And a bubble for Genki. You made that guy look like a complete fool. I've never seen someone ripped apart like that. Good job!
I doubt that kid will return.
If this is true, then this must be Toshiba's last attempt to win support of the public.
I think we'll see more "good" news coming from HD-DVD over the next few weeks. It seems to me that Microsoft/Toshiba/HD-DVD have timed all the good news so they'd come altogether one after another like an onslaught.
and then Blu-ray will react in the next wave.
and then HD-DVD...
if it wasnt for 150 mil then they would have included spielbergs movies, but he is smarter then to go exclusive right now even for a big pay check.
As Peter Moore said once in an interview with Kotaku: "THIS IS BUSINESS". This is how business works. WITH MONEY.
MS uses money to buy exclusive games.
Sony uses money to buy exclusive Blu-ray support.
Toshiba uses money to buy exclusive HD DVD support.
Do you honestly think Bill Gates, Howard Stringer, or Mr. Iwata are sitting at their desks thinking "Hmmm, how can we make our products so that the lovely consumer saves money and has a wonderful experience at the same time"?
It's not bribing. It's not cheating. It's BUSINESS. The purpose of BUSINESS is to make money.
Paramount: We went HD DVD exclusive because we believe this decision will provide the greatest satisfaction to consumers, because HD DVD has so much more value than Blu-ray........Bullcrap.
Please think before you say comments like "Paramount is screwing us over", because frankly, they don't care.
It's interesting that those babies whine about how studios are screwing them over and don't care about customers ONLY WHEN the negative happens to Blu-ray. So, why aren't Disney and Fox also screwing us over and don't care about customers because they support only Blu-ray?
FYI, HD-DVD arrived before Blu-ray. So, aren't Disney and Fox screwing over consumers and early adopters who had bought HD-DVD before Blu-ray came out?
Oh wait, I know. It's wrong only when the bad thing happens to Sony. Boo-hoo.
This is such a cheap move.
The_Round_Peg - They're not screwing over anybody but themselves. Do you think Paramount leaving is a HUGE deal? I'm pretty sure Sony could just buy them back if they were important enough...
MSFT can buy the entire SNE with one year of profit. The only reason MSFT has not is because SNE is overall not very profitable.
For your information, SNE and VIA (which owns Paramount) market cap is about the same size at 50 mil, so SNE is not buying VIA. In fact, VIA is more financially viable than SNE because VIA has more cash flow and less debts than SNE. Of course, MSFT, with a market cap of $200+ billion that dwarfs SNE, can buy them both with just one-two year of profit.
Of course, MSFT can just buy out the entire SNE with its current cash reserve plus cash flow, given that MSFT has a remarkable zero debt. SNE is in no position to buy MSFT, that much I can tell you.
Or did I just lose you somewhere in there, boy?
They would have gotten more than $150 million in revenues. After all, had they put an end to the format war, selling $150 million in HD movies, which is somewhere between 7 and 15 million movies (to give a conservative estimate), would have been easy. After all, they have tons of movies, and the HD formats are growing in sales. Those sales owuld have skyrocketed had the war been over. They're only delaying revenues, and wasting potential interest earnings, or even better, project financing (i.e. making more movies).
Cya P.mont and Dreamworks....I'll miss you on BD but you'll be back!:P
buy my HDDVD addon for my Xbox-360.
I posted the news about Paramount exclusive for HDDVD last night, it showed that the news was new and that it was listed for approval but then just dissapeared from the database?
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