“Gay Space Marines, Industry’s biggest problem” says Mafia II’s senior producer

Gamersmint : The biggest problem that the games industry suffers from right now? No, it’s not the menace of piracy or a second hand games market! It’s the industry’s obsession with…ermm, Gay Space Marines ( O_O). That’s what Mafia II’s senior producer thinks so atleast.

[cyborg]

of Halo's success, too bad Mafia II can never do aswell as this game does, and NO neither Noble 6 and nor his teammates are gay, if he's reffering to them. :|

[LtSkittles]

Who's Noble 16?

[cyborg]

noble 6, added one by mistake

[LtSkittles]

Just didn't want you to look stupid

[cyborg]

for that. Thanks

[ExplosionSauce]

I thought it was hilarious xD

[AngryTypingGuy]

You're exactly right, Cyborg. People have to realize that when a Halo game launches, it's going to take all the attention from whatever other games are launching at that time. When a Halo game comes out, it's an event unto itself. People can say what they want to about the series, but nothing will take away its incredible success. The only thing that can hurt it in the foreseeable future is if 343 Studios is bad at making Halo games. I'm pretty sure MS has enough money to hire some great talent, so here's hoping for its continued success.

[GuruStarr78]

I agree, he is jealous, even if he does not outwardly admit it....mafia two was ok, but a gta clone at the end of the day.

[raztad]

Mafia 2 is totally no a clone of GTA. In fact I think it got some bad reviews because game was pretty much linear and didnt follow GTA footsteps.

[GuruStarr78]

@raztad:

ur right, it was way too linear, but the prison level alone made it shine...

[likedamaster]

I'm with raztad.

[DatNJDom81]

He got a point. First person games are WAY OVERSATURATED.

[StanLee]

It's not oversaturation if the games are successful and the genre is evolving. Look at games like Borderlands and Fallout which have had great success and no one really classifies them as FPSs. First person is just the perspective from which the narrative and gameplay unfolds. The industry only responds to what consumers demand and it's a copy cat industry. When consumers start showing that they've grown weary of the genre, you'll see publishers invest elsewhere. But for the success of Call of Duty and Halo, other FPSs have had middling success and others have flatly failed commercially while still being well received critically; The Darkness immediately comes to mind. Fact is, if you make a great game and a publisher puts the marketing dollars behind the project and make people aware of it, it will be successful, regardless of genre.

[pustulio]

Oh yeah they are way too much FPSs but hey KZ3 is coming out...

Wait, whats that? FPS are the shit now?

-Blam!-ing Hypocrites.

[Aaroncls7]

I think he meant Starship Troopers, you know cuz of the multisex showers...

[KillerBBs]

this artical can say Gay Space Marines but when i do it, I get reported.

[RememberThe357]

I'd really actually like to know that myself.

[Sarcasm]

To be fair, Master Chief was locked up in a simulated closet. :)

[pimpmaster]

its just called giving a cuality product. just look at the top marine games, they all either have single player, multiplayer, coop and or have over 40 hours of play time. alot of replayability and gaming out of your 60$, where as mafia 2 is just a 11 hour game(i beat it in 11 hours) with no online/ coop/ or any replayability other than dragging through the game again for collctibles. im tired of the marine game too but good games with value tend to revolve around a simple mechanic like killing things over and over/

[Shepherd 214]

I would be a bit disappointed if i wasnt lucky enough to be a dev of Halo or Killzone. I thought Mafia II was bleh.

Hey, maybe someone should ask him if the industry suffers because people like hime let bad dev companies put shoddy ports on the PS3. Ahem, Mafia II?

I think people like him, being a Senior Producer and all, should be worried about more than say that great games have "Gay Space Marines".

[Shepherd 214]

Are you stupid enough to think that this dev isnt thinking AT ALL about the famous "Space Marine" who has been the mascot for Microsoft's console for almost ten years?

Give me a break.

[Oldsnake007]

lol are you stupid ? where the hell did he mentioned Halo.

oh I understand

Gay space marine = Halo

You just confirmed that .

[Man In Black]

Is greedy fucktard producers like him who have games like Mafia 2 cut up into pieces, then released as DLC. Jimmy's Vendetta seems to consist of sidemissions cut from the main game, and Jimmy himself has Vito's body, except with a slaphead pasted on top.

[SkylineR]

Why do people think he's referring to Master Chief and Co.? They're hardly the ones to blame for "gay space marines.

Doomguy is the original Space Marine. Blame him. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[DavidMacDougall]

I think chopping games to pieces for DLC is the big problem.

[Johandevries]

yeah

[JoySticksFTW]

This is my biggest problem this gen

Second is devs trying to make multiplats uniform without taking advantage of what each system excels at

Third is Trolls posing as "reputable" gaming media

[Brklynty1]

Because DVD9 was the best choice this gen..../s

[FragMnTagM]

blame greedy devs and publishers. Bungie somehow managed to put more content on one disk than many blu ray games I have played. In fact, all the blu ray games I have played.

[tunaks1]

Because Mafia 2 is so unique...

[pustulio]

Exactly.

Who the hell wants a Mafia movie? No one because we already got them.

Who wants a Halo movie? A lot of people because there has not been one.

What game is set on a time that has been used over and over again? Mafia.

What game CREATES it's own universe and tells a story? Halo.

Theres your gay space marines you idiot, maybe next time this guy should keep his comments to himself.

BTW Bungie knows how to build grass.

[RememberThe357]

"BTW Bungie knows how to build grass." HAHAHA that was great.

[OGharryjoysticks]

...he might have a point. Vanquish, Killzone, Halo, Gears, etc.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

and Mass Effect he does have a point.

[outrageous]

Sour grapes that Halo Reach sold more in a hour than his game has sold in weeks. He should be choosing his words carefully seeing that he will be looking for a new job shortly...maybe he could make Mafia 3: The ballad of gay Mafia's...lol

[OGharryjoysticks]

=)

[PirosThe4th]

I let Vanquish go cuz its awesome... and Killzone it's ok... But halo and Gears are shit...

[palaeomerus]

Not to most people.

[comp_ali]

I agree wit you the market is flooded with shooters, but that doesn't give you the excuse to release half assed games and sell us the other part in DLC pieces.
You lied to us before , Denby. And gamers never forget

[Baka-akaB]

well his title is flooding another market anyway , the sandbox one . What's even difference about his game compared to other sandboxes besides the theme and era chosen ?

[Rubberlegs]

Its story and missions. Mafia 2 uses the open world city only as backdrop, its not an open world games like GTA is. All its missions and story structure is linear. There is very little to do outside of the main missions and the game is also broken down in chapters.
The setting changes over the first few chapters (its snowing, you go to prison during one chapter) before it stays the same for the rest of the game.

Its nothing like any current sandbox. The first Mafia was the same way too.

[Redempteur]

besides the change of setting , GTA4 did all that and that's why it also was dumbed down by some .GTA4 had a structured mission plan ...

[SuperbVillain]

I'm a ps3 man,but wow this guy is just jealous cause his franchise failed.Mafia had the potential to be greater than what it is.

[likedamaster]

Agreed. I'm underwhelmed(currently playing Mafia2).

[Arsenic13]

He mad

[KiRBY3000]

that bitch is freaking scary, shutter island FTW!

[likedamaster]

@Arsenic13

I'm curious as to how you captured, cropped it, resized it, and made it look so clear at that size?

[KiRBY3000]

divx screen cap or pic found online + photoshop.

[Baka-akaB]

nvm

[F4sterTh4nFTL]

at the people who play them.

[palaeomerus]

Who gives a shit? I play what I want not what some barely relevant game developer wants.

[Mista T]

he should make a fun game first, then he should talk

[sickbird]

mafia 2 is a great game.

[palaeomerus]

It's just not as great as most other great games. Hell, the free DLC was better than the main game.

[LinuxGuru]

I bet if you handed him a 360 controller and put him in a Halo Reach match online, within 5 minutes he'd be giggling like a little school girl.

[OGharryjoysticks]

move along now...you officially got too gay

[Vip3r]

So he can fit in with all the other playing doing the same thing?

[LinuxGuru]

Idiots, I meant that he would enjoy it.

Silence.

[Vip3r]

Truth hurts. :)

[TheLig32]

This guy's an idiot. What about studios releasing broken ass games? Mafia 2 froze up on me constantly. It was so frustrating that I traded it in while I was on the last mission. I never finished the game, and as a result I'll never buy another 2k Czech game again.

[BeOneWithTheGun]

but, I got an achievement out of it. I was driving (following this guy in some tail mission) and all of a sudden my car fell through the street. After 2 seconds the "Traveling at 125MPH" achievement popped up. (It might have been 120MPH but whatever, free achievement.)

[josh14399]

why do people say there are too many space marine games because isn't that many. now go and look how many modern warfare games there are its the new ww2.

[Mr Tretton]

He might be jealous, be he's not wrong.

I love me some Killzone and Gears, but yeah, we don't need any more space marine games. Or just battling aliens and such.

[Nugundam0079]

Why is someone like me a japanophile because I prefer JRPGS over Shooters? I think your making a generalization thats pretty unfair.

[palaeomerus]

We don't need any more morons pretending to be people and celebrities that they've never even met either.

[Mr Tretton]

OoOooo, tuff guy. ^

and, Nugundam, I'm pretty sure I was talking to one person, and that person wasn't you.

[Xi]

I can't believe he used gay as a pejorative. We'll I won't be buying any games from their studio, they obviously have no class.

Also maybe people are sick of playing as anti social criminals. GTA, mafia, saints row, yakuza, true crime, the godfather, the list goes on.

[frayed]

Now, I'm not the type to be offended. Try to understand. But I applaud Xi for having the courage to post that reply.

I grew up with 'gay' being used as a pejorative at school. Pretty much everyone did it. I did it. Kids still do. It's natural for 12-13 year old kids to be uneasy about the whole concept of sexual preference. But as an adult, I've had to hold my hands up and say, yes, that was wrong. It's essentially the same as racism. Yes. It is. Think about it. No matter your opinion, I don't care anyway, you can't argue with semantics. It's putting a negative connotation on a group of people - in this case a minority.

So, pardon me, but this guy should not only shut up, but his employers might want to have a word with him about his use of language. Maybe it was a slip. Fine. But boasting about having a job in the industry does not give you licence to say whatever you want without consequence.

Ironically, he might actually be able to argue that he meant the space marines in question were actually homosexuals, given the sheer masculine eroticism of most of the character models, but that's not the case, and it wouldn't be any less controversial - or wrong. So I suggest an apology is in order. Doubt we'll get one though. Especially seeing as the teenagers on this forum are going to respond with all the wit their insecurities can muster (see below).

The internet is a place for freedom of speech, but that's exactly why people need to exercise more, not less, care with what they say. They can't rely on people to censor them. Just because you're allowed, doesn't meant it doesn't offend people.

As I said, as a relatively, but not especially, liberal person, I'm happy to point this out to you guys. Next time you use the word, just ask yourself whether you really know that it doesn't mean you think gay people are bad. Why not just say 'noob', instead?

So, I'm waiting for someone to call me gay. Please know that you'd be wrong, not because I'd be ashamed, but because I need you to understand not everyone thinks like you.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Mafia >>>> Halo

[BeOneWithTheGun]

Gameplay, not even close.

[fight4love]

true its overused. not like mafia is a original though.

[Demarco156]

ye because we dont have enough italians main characters

[Tex117]

I think he was more or less taking a stab at most FPS nowadays and the whole "sci-fi" atmosphere.

Mafia at least tried a different setting. L.A. Noire looks to be better but who knows?

[BrianG]

I dont think thats the biggest problem with the industry. Certain gamers prefer certain games, is he angry that not more want Mafia 2? What about sports buffs, gamers that only buy sports games? Million of those, guess they are a problem, or people who only buy open world type games or GTA style games like Mafia, they should be a problem to right?

The reason the industry is so diverse has to do with peoples different tastes in games. Just because you game doesn't sell over 4 million doesn't give you the right to hate on other genres.

[SeraphimBlade]

Don't ask, don't tell

[DeathGazer]

This dude speaks the truth.

Too bad it's going to upset the xbox fanboys, since gay space marines is all they have left.

[PS3-247]

He didn't say anything about Halo though.

[menoyou]

he is right. hes not jealous, just stating the truth. halo has single handedly devolved gaming in just a few years. a gay generic space marine shooting stuff with a cheesy name like "master chief" is the star of gaming? its disgusting to think about.

[CellularDivinization]

Why would you say Master Chief is the star of gaming? Did you take someone's opinion serious?

[Claudinho69]

more importantly, why is killing the most fun? "according to sales"

[angelrebirth]

The sales don't make a good game.

[Lord_Doggington]

lol how about multiple 10/10 reviews...does that help prove a game is good?

[ATi_Elite]

Just finished watching Alien while playing Doom and I don't believe any of the Space Marines were Gay so he is obviously talking about Gaylo, I mean Halo.

Either way I'd rather play Halo Reach than Mafia II.

Instead of being a sarcastic guy how about you fix the driving controls and physics in Mafia II because they suck.

[angelrebirth]

Il love this article, it shows how Halo success is based on nothing.

[BARF]

i called someone gay and got a whole profile banned, yet "gay" can be in the title of a top story. this website is pathetic.

[logen99999]

the industries biggest problems are 6 to 8 hour games who's publishers still have the nerve to charge 60$ for.

[Lord_Doggington]

not having public respect for one of the most successful franchises in the industry when you yourself have a minuscule presence is pretty much political suicide

nice move idiot

[Kakihara]

Being too lazy to click the link I'm guessing his real point is about the generic nature of most games these days. If that's the case I'd agree but point out that I didn't buy Mafia 2 because of how generic it looked and felt. I'd put open world crime sims right up there with macho douche space marine exploits.

[gano]

i agree.
mafia didn't do much and at the same time the xbox version
was the more superior one.
so i don't think he has anything to be jealous about.
gay space marines is right.
There is nothing good about halo, nothing. mp means nothing to me. sorry.
and to boot yea thanks m$.
marketing and dlc is this gens ins' now.
developers are only greedy because M$ exposed people stupidity.
hell if i can get you to pay for online while free, y not charge for everything else.
brilliant.