M2G Writes: Aaron Greenberg has said during the Toyko Game Show that Kinect will sell 3 million units and extend the current console generation.
Sure. I'll believe it when I see it.
Its possible only if the casual market get on it.....They are the ones who are going to buy it partly due to it seaming like a new experience
haha. the nuclear family is broke as ever. they can only afford wii resorts. "holiday for poor people". "its a recession when your neighbour loses their job, and its a depression when you do". trust me, this aint entourage. people will look at it and say ooh thats nice, and buy something trashy for the ds. i am being subjective. let me remix my comment with objectivenessness. lets see here, no matter how you look at it, its not going to sell 3 million any time soon.
It is hilariously pathetic when you really think about. Just imagine if you went back in time to when the RRoD plagued 360 was rushed out the door by Microsoft and told everyone that in 5 years the Xbox 360 would: Be dead in Japan just like the first Xbox Be dead in Europe just like the first Xbox Graphically humiliated by the PS3 and the 360's only hope for 2010 and 2011 was another damn Halo game and old PS2 era Sony Eye Toy style motion controls that are so bad that they have to fake E3 and other live demos.
@Goosepoose.....personally I agree It will not but all I am saying if it is possible if Microsoft strike lucky because the casual market is on the fence....They do not go on these websites and see problems with the Kinect like we do....All it takes is 3 million slightly wealthy people in the world to buy it for their children. They are going to be the ones enticed by the marketing campaign that it is a new tech..... Recession affects everyone true but the people who have money to fall back on are still a large enough number in the world population who could afford it
3 million - is that good? Sounds like that would be far too few in MS's plans - after all this is their new market now since they've ditched their previous fanbase (no surprise given what some of them are like). If it only sells 3 mil, I think MS will chop the gaming hardware and just go back to PC games. EDIT : Actually they're doing that already, 3 mil sells will just make them speed it up. r.
The 360 is only dead in Japan. Currently, it is handily outselling its competition in both the Americas and Europe. A better question is who would have expected the Japanese to continue being so stubborn, refusing to buy foreign products? Everyone. Now let's go back to 2005, a time where the PlayStation brand was far and away the most successful in the video game industry. Other consoles cowered in fear at the grace of the almighty PS2, and the PS3 was just on the horizon, ready to destroy the competition just like its predecessor, right? Who in a million years would have predicted that 5 years later, the PlayStation brand would have gone from an undefeatable force miles ahead in first place, to a hopeless dead last behind Microsoft and Nintendo, whom it had put to shame the generation before? As sad as it is to say, PlayStation went from the defining brand of the video game industry, to the laughing stock of the video game industry over the course of just one generation.
I don't know GWAVE. $ony did a pretty good job at duping their customers into buying a $600 PS3 without any games with comments like "4D graphics"
The 360 has not sold in Japan because they buy products that are of high quality. I am not saying the 360 doesn't have good games, I am saying their hardware is shit and it took them 5 years to give everyone a semi decent piece of hardware, but they still do not include the controller! It's just that the Japanese are smarter and more in the know on the tech and hardware size, hence the low sales. Sorry to say it but the 360's parts were manufactured by the lowest bidder, hence the RROD and M$ billion dollar loss. Also Japanese people know M$ way over charges for their add ons and it is just another reason they won't touch that smoking pile.
""4D graphics" do you know what 4D means Im just asking....
If the Japanese respect quality so much then why is it that quality and game of the year type games like Uncharted 2, God of Ware 3, Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock etc are continuously ignored in Japan even on the PS3. I will tell you why it's because they are western games and they don't want to touch anything that's western. It's the main reason why they are the least relevant videogame region now and many well known and respected Japanese developers are saying that Japan is dying because of their stubborness.
but will it work?!
Will it blend? That is the question. OT: Good luck with that Greenberg
I wouldn't be surprised if we see the usual Xbox sales pattern: * The standard die hard Xbox fans rushing out to buy this ill fated add-on * Lots of press releases from Microsoft PR * A rapid dieoff in sales The laughably barren Microsoft exclusive line up for 2010/11 does leave plenty of cash for the diehards to blow on junk like this. Outside of the diehard Xbox fans there isn't going to be any interest. Kinetic has turned out to be so bad it has become the laughingstock of the console world.
Now now, come on. That game where you have to hit the big read balls looks good. Edit: I think it's called, Extreme Big Red Ball Smash Party Brawl Flying To Space Funatorium.
It'll happen. They won't allow it to fail. Even if they burn up 10x their potential profit in ad money, they'll make sure it sells millions.
3M though... is that enough? The thing with that then is they'll be dividing the 360 userbase into 2, they already have done that with developers. Encouraging them to do Kinect games instead of Plain Xbox ones... 3M... Means the max a game can sell is 2.5-2.8M... and after those initial launch titles (I'm betting Dance Central will end up as Kinect's best-seller)... games will probably sell very few copies. Kinect needs to sell 10M units by the end of next year to be a viable solution to 360's longevity. I agree though M$ will do anything they can to assure it WON'T fail, but by that time... Could be new solutions/gadgets/systems/etc.
and 10 of those will enjoy it
Kinect will sell 3million+ this holiday season. Now, Move on the other hand will sell like garbage. However, the Move may have good numbers due to the fact; some Move games require 2 Move controllers. We'll have to gage the Move via game sales.
Before anyone says this is purely PR crap read the article. He's basing this prediction on current preorders from retailers. It really looking like Kinect will be a huge success this holiday.
Really? Cause the pre-orders in our region is sucking so bad in terms of that. Keyword region.
“Our estimates that we will sell in excess of 3 million units this holiday,” The company is spending “hundreds of millions” of dollars in marketing, “exceeding in what we did when we launched the original Xbox 360,” says Greenberg. Greenberg also added that Kinect’s success will mean the Xbox 360 will be around a lot longer than most people anticipated. “We’re five years in. We think we have another good five years-plus, but that remains to be seen — but easily there’s another five years’ life.” Will be interesting to see how they use their "hundreds of millions" to market it. Since hearing about the 5 new Kinect titles they revealed yesterday my interest for it is a little bigger than before. Here's a link to the article about them: http://www.tekgoblin.com/20...
"my interest for it is a little bigger than before. " Haha. How little was your interest before?
BUT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. Careful reading is key. He's hedging his bets. If Kinect is a flop, they've already considered the Xbox "next". That aside, the Japanese Kinect titles sounded interesting. It was nice to see some stuff that I might actually want to play - horror, fantasy. What a turn around after months of the US media lamenting the "death" of Japanese creativity, when it looks as though that very culture might be the saving grace for their favorite console (360). I do wonder what control schemes these games will use though. That mech game sounds as if it will have "Kinect support" and it won't be an exclusive exercise in flailing. I expect MS to do a lot of backpedaling if they keep the device and have Kinect + controller games moving forward.
They have announced and welcome controller integration for more complex hardcore games, no need to back peddle, every game won't be hands free. What do you have to complain about? Oh they said its hands free, microsoft are a bunch of liars.....if your a sony fan boy stop being so intrigued by kinect to comment on things you know nothing about.
you should probably work on your spelling and punctuation more. And yes, MS did initially tout the: "Your Body is the Controller" line. So any deviation from that is indeed back-peddling. Other than that, I expressed my interest in these new titles, so I'm not sure who you're calling a fanboy. If anything, I've been playing my new PC more than any console these days, because THE GAMES INTEREST ME. That's the point isn't it? You can be critical of a business (MS/ Sony/ Nintendo and their PR b.s.) without being critical of the product (the games). I don't really know why I'm wasting my time on a response to some multi-account troll though (it's obvious just by checking your history and "join" date).
hundreds of millions. Is it 2, 3 or 4? Because if it is 3, then you have 3 million units sold for 300 million dollars, making 100$ per unit on marketing. Typical MS approach to the market: spend triple or more on marketing that on product and quality itself. Sure they will sell a lot. Not to me.
they're just trying to get to $450 million as soon as they can, then grab a portion of the Wii casuals, then start up the shovel-ware revolution. when the returns start to plummet, that's when we'll see the last of full body gaming and a return of the controller.
i would really consider these TGS announcements before you get too excited AGAIN. remember what happened on the last hype train.
Looks like we have the fitting match for Patcher. He maybe in the gaming world but hes still loyal only to your buck.
I'll be one of those 3 million plus. Waiting for the $ony fanboys to troll in the 360 articles again. You guys don't like anything good about 360 quality games, selling software numbers, selling hardware numbers. $ony is not number 1 anymore...get over it.
you are wrong. if Sony had Kinect and MS had MOVE, i'd be praising MOVE and condemning Kinect regardless
Exactly how I feel.
No you'd be saying microsoft copied nintendo, and how sony is original, there's a reason Move isn't as popular it brings nothing new. Not only that reviewers are complaining its too sensitive sorta like wii motion plus. I'll make a seperate post why Kinect will do at least 3 mill, its kinda obvious, he was being modest.
'$ony is not number 1 anymore...get over it' But they (SONY) are number 1 at AAA titles and Making Great Games. EDIT:Disagrees Come on except the truth M$ fanboys.
I love my xbox but MS isn't number one I'm just happy to see MS taking risks which they should have done from the start of this gen
What does Kinect have to do with 360 quality games, software sales, or hardware sales? IMHO, Kinect is the one element of 360's lineup that doesn't seem to add anything to those arenas other than casual games that are overly repetitive and lack skill-based gameplay elements, storylines, and end-game goals.
Microsofts putting everything they have into Kinect. Id be surprised it if DIDNT sell that many.
oh GOD.... please dont tell me cause of KINNECT this truly does extend the 360's life another 5 years??? how long till next gen?? i was hoping 2011 .... or the latest 2012. i got my 360 day 1 ... thats five years already. 6 year console life is plenty, 7 is more than enough .... but 8, 9, 10????
Why do you need a new console. The graphics on the current gen systems is still pretty good and there is more than enough power in them to go another five years. The only thing that would be different in the new console would be a better grapics card. But i though GRAPHICS where not what makes a good game /s And developers have not recouped there costs yet on the engines that they have created for this Gen. You will not see another console for at least another 4 year minimum.
well ... i doubt another 4 years. i say by 2012 Nintendo and MS will release a new console. how can you actually want the same console for 9 or 10 years??? anyways.. i hope you wrong
The games are getting better and better even graphics wise. The current consoles have not even peaked on what they can do. Why would they release a new console when they have not even maxed out the old one. The reason this gen started is because the ps2 and xbox had maxed out there potential. That is why i bought a ps3 and a 360. If anyone brings out another console i will not be buying it as both consoles have cost me about £800 just to start gaming.
Graphics aren't everything. Even though the graphics on consoles today aren't good enough in my opinion, that's not why I want new consoles. This gen is tiring me. I want better AI, more expansive open worlds, new engines, better technologies etc.... 5-6 years ia a very long time for any technology to remain stagnant. The real question is, why wouldn't you want a new console? Keep pushing technology forward!
I didnt say graphics are everything. What does new hardware have to do with better AI, more expansive open worlds, new engines if the current tech is not full utilised. All the above things are capable on the curent gen consoles. What you basically saying is that you want want to buy a new console twice as powerfull yet the current software doesnt even use the current gen consoles 100%. When i upgrade my pc its beacuse my processor can no longer run the current games not beacause there is a better processor out there.
I would love to see this generation continue. It's been great! Move is just coming out...and developers will start utilizing this new technology. Echochrome II anyone?
I think Sony is doing a pretty good job with their 10yr plan. I bought the MGS4 bundle for $450.00 a few years ago and I'm not looking to upgrade for a while. I would rather have developers get comfortable in maxing out the potential of the current, then having them have to start from scratch on the next-gen. Maybe Xbox does'nt have anymore room to grow and hope the Kinect breaths new life into the console, and are really hoping the casual market adopts it.
I know a couple people interested in getting it. They like the exercise games coming out on it. They're not really into hardcore gaming. So this Is perfect for them.
Could happen, sadly, there are three million people that want to play games "on - rails", or they are just uninformed. At the end of the day, Kinect is just a camera with sensing abilities.....nothing more. Even at three million though, you have to wonder, will it cover the R&D and marketing costs? Probably not..... That picture of the kid from E3 makes me sick......I can't erase that whole debacle from my head of that and the glowing ponchos and the whoring of cirque de soleil.....(and the family floating on a couch, among other things)
It will sell 3 or more million I don't understand how all of you are assuming it won't when we fully well know the audience there targeting, if they are able to get a strong casual line up for the next year aswell it will move very quickly. I just don't think the move or kinect will take alot of the wii's audience but it will appeal to the families who have an xbox I for one am getting the kinect bundle 360 S for 300 that's a bargain
You are right it will sell at least 3 million because there are that many uninformed people out there. Spoke to a guy at work yesterday and he said he was buying kinect and not move. He didnt even know what kinect could do yet was going to buy it without hesitation. I showed him move and the types of games he could play and preordered it straight away. There are a lot of uninformed people out there that will buy this product. I still predict you will see a lot of these on ebay for 50 to 60 quid by the end of February next year. so if you really want one i would wait.
I know alot of people are misinformed one of my colleagues didn't know what either were and I had to explain and the mechanics of kinect sounded more appealing he is a casual gamer. I'm a hardcore gamer but alot of moves hardcore games are optional which is why I will stick to my pad but I am still getting the product cause I want to see what a move only hard core game will play like. Kinect can if developers are smart and ms are smart do great things for both the hard core and the casual. I just don't understand why you so called gamers bash it before you have it, if I were to listen to reviewers and critics I probably wouldn't have any consoles this gen as there all hipocrits and the only opinion that matters at the end of the day is your own
omg evo, you're on the wrong forum if you want to actually debate something intelligently.
I do understand what you mean about bashing it even tho they have not played it. I have heard from a few people that it is fun usually the dance central game and bowling. I personally wont be getting it as i play hardcore games and i cannot see anything outside of casual shovelware rubbish an on rails games. Unless a dev can show me something i have not thought about i may change my mind. I bought the wii for the missus but she never plays that so i wont be bothering with this either. I think the price point is the problem for casuals. under £200 most will people spend that on a fad for there kids. where as £300 is quite steap for the whole bundle. Any yes i think sony with move are going to have the same issue. Until both do a bundle at £200 for move and kinect i dont see it doing that well.
What can the move do that wii can't, I come into your store and I say well I have a wii, what does move bring to the table? Like seriously lol, btw I don't have a wii, my friend let's me borrow it when ever I like he hardly plays it, every ones favorite game remains wii sports, which is sad, I will however get a black one when ever zelda comes out, the gf says its a must.
Even though I hate this guy he is right. Microsoft will market the crap out of Kinect and will sell millions, the causals market is the majority and they will buy it. But in saying that I hope I am wrong I can't stand the fact people will be paying full price and playing stupid games
The wii had alot of stupid games didn't stop families from buying it didn't stop kids from desiring it. Live and let live if it's not affecting your pocket as a consumer or you game time should we really care
too true. It is humorous to see core gamers praise it like it's the next coming or something.
Kinect games are $ 49.99, the bundle is $299 and I'll pick up another game. So for under $400 I get a new system cool little camera set up and 2 games, whens the last time you got a console with 2 new games for $385? People don't bye consoles often and when they do they know it won't be cheap, I payed $400 for my xbox no games in 05, for less than that I get more reliable sexier system, 2 games I will love and Kinect, win.
Probably. I'm buying Move though. I'll take fun over sales any day.
Only 3 million? And that from microsoft's own man? Well don't expect a lot of dedicated software for it then. EDIT: oh, I see, he means over the holiday period. Well, bad luck for three million people I guess. I don't know what the hell kind of games they're expecting to play, but prepare from some dissapointment when the only thing that works decently is dancing and fitess. woo. hoo.
yeah, in lifetime sales...
If you don't like Kinect or the 360 then why bother commenting? It won't change anything. If you want to see the 360 and Kinect fail so hard try spending more of your time and money buying PS3 products instead of pissing and moaning in here. Seeing as how I own all 3 console this generation I dont have to worry about hating. I can enjoy the games, online services, motion controls all 3 have to offer. Be a gamer not a hater.
Well said I cant believe I got a disagree for putting I am getting it on day one and looking forward to see what MS do with Kinect some people on this site really hate anything about MS and Kinect.
I agree and ill be one of the 3 million getting it on Day one. Im really looking forward to see what MS do with Kinect plus it now means the 360 can become a family machine too.
in 30 years?
and what about the games..real games..not that shovelware which has been shown so far.. if they are calling Motion is Wii HD what are they gonna call Kinetic
Looks fun, when does it come out. Lol
Someone wake Microsoft up from that dream because I don't see it selling three million.
First off this site is full of sony fanboys, I just scroll at harmless comments that get overwhelming disagrees. Then something as dumb as Move has better games (which it doesn't) gets 30 agrees. This is about Kinect why bring move into it? On top of that move won't even come close to point selling Kinect. The tacked on move support is fail, we did resident evil 4 with wii, I'm sure RE 5 is more of the same, the thing about move is hardcore games work better on a controller especially if out wasn't built from the ground up for move. People try to get on Kinect's line up, but what about move? There coming out soon where are the titles? Kinect will have at least 12 , doesn't mean they will be great games but I like to see microsoft had a line up also move games are full price, Kinect's aren't. Now this why he's right about the 3 million in 2 months, pre orders are key, its in september there approaching 200,000 with most of those people not sure about the product, when the demos hit gamestop,walmart,target, best buy and toys r us, it will be a wrap. Pre orders will be at nearly a million or over million by november.That doesn't include alot of places like wal mart,amazon and numerous stores. My cousin is a manager at costco and people have asked him about how much will be bundle be lol, let's not be in denial this will be the must have item this holiday. There is no competition. We've all been there when a parent is in the store and they can't get what the kid wants so they want the next best thing or something comparable. Now usually they have the money but if they get something close they'll go for it. You can day the wii is close but I'm guessing that kid has a wii already and when they describe to there parents what they want I'm sure they will stress yo don't need a controller. The parent is left with out a choice. A kid wants move and he's gonna get a wii ever single time lol if he had a wii I bet they get kinect bundle $299 vs $399 ps3 cheaper wins every time. Last point I think....Kinect is a must buy for me with zero games, I love msn I'll be moving out of state soon, my little cousin has xbox live so I'll be able to cam with my mom aunt and whoever else home, awesome. I'm horrible with remotes,either I lose them in the middle night, I lose the back and batteries go missing, or batteries are going dead...wait what's this I can use my hands and voice to navigate now? Awesome. Considering alot of people payed $60 to cam on uno $40 isn't alot at all. I knew there was one more! Price. Microsoft knows what there doing, next year you will see kinect stand alone sets for $100, amid price cuts to there consoles, no cuts soon but when its all said and done there will be a kinect bundle for $199 by then there will be over 150 games for it, this will be at E3'12, kinect will have eclipsed the 10 million mark with help from that star wars game and they have to work halo into kinect somehow, not a full game but some kind of support like using it for