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How Square Enix Is Changing The Modern RPG

Changes in most RPGs tend to be minimal, particularly when you think about how closely most RPG fans will watch every little change in their series. But just like any genre over time, there have been some major changes since 'back in the day'. Square Enix is no stranger to changing times, and sticking around in the industry for so long comes with its own advantages.

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ShawnCollier2651d ago

Yeah, I am wishing that some of the other Japanese RPG developers would try rising up to SE's level.

mephman2651d ago

I think they have a happy medium too. Dragon Quest caters for one side of the market and Final Fantasy caters for the other. But they aren't afraid to experiment either with other franchises and new IPs.

Game-ur2651d ago

BioWere and Bethsaida and Atlus are the ones advancing the RPG genre, SE is suffering from lack of vision for some years.

Reibooi2651d ago

@Game-ur

While Bioware and Bethesda made great games it's kinda hard to say they are advancing anything.

Bioware games have basically been the same with better graphics since they found success with Baldur's Gate and very little has changed since then. Sure Mass Effect is a shooter RPG hybrid but at it's core it's just a science fiction version of Baldur's Gate.

Likewise Bethsda is know for the Elder Scrolls which as largly been the same since Daggerfall with the only thing changing being the graphics.

Compare that to SE where every single game had a completely different story and combat system and it's easy to see that SE is trying to advance the genre more then most out there.

Game-ur2651d ago

FF games only changed mechanics, they didn’t evolve and expand the experience, SE peaked at Chrono Trigger and FF6, and then the games advanced only in graphics and regressed in gameplay. Their were some exceptions like Vagrant Story, but very few. Before the merger there was always some fresh new RPG between FF games like Parasite Eve, Vagrant Story, Xenugears, FF tactics. But now they hardly pay attention to anything other than FF DQ and KH, imagine what a classic game Nier would have been if they produced it better.

In the other hand you have to credit BioWere for setting the benchmark in character interaction, and Bethesda for the amount of freedom and effect you have in the world, and also the random events that make the world fell alive.

Also Atlus have produced different kinds of RPGs while keeping the same magic system, Persona4&5 are fresh RPGs, and Devil Survivor on the DS is even better.

bakasora2650d ago

Too late, my love and respect for Squareenix is gone.

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Kain812651d ago

Yeah, I am wishing that some of the other Japanese RPG developers would try rising up to SQUARESOFT's level.

FIXED

Sanrin2651d ago

It'd be nice if they could do so, without outright copying them though.

Eamon2651d ago

completely agree.

Bring back command prompted ATB battles!! >.<

Game-ur2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

Imagine what Persona5 would look like running on the Catherin game engine, and Level 5 are making a great beautiful looking game in Ni Nu Kuni. And the new Tales game for the PS3 is taking the series to a new graphical level.

And don’t forget this generation already bright great JRPGs like Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia and Valkuria Chronicles, so JRPG lovers don’t need to hang their hopes on SE anymore.

evrfighter2651d ago

have you tried ff14 beta?

I swear it's just like playing a f2p korean mmo

mittwaffen2651d ago

Enix make bad games, and this MMO shows they bit off Way more than they can chew.

Sarevok2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

@Game-ur
Persona 5? when did that come out? O___o;

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Nate-Dog2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

I don't think using Lightning as an example of character development was a great choice. She just pouted and moaned for a lot of XIII at, well everyone, and then towards the end was a bit nicer. We didn't get much info on her backstory and she didn't develop much in the title. Unfortunately too, she was probably the best character in XIII, which shows the low standard it's characters set.

Don't get me wrong, I liked her but she wasn't anything special nor a character I would remember.

Also I agree about SE trying ti cater to different times and audiences when they notice a change, although as pointed out, XIII didn't work out for them. Let's hope Versus will be a better turnout and will return to what was good about the earlier games of the series. I hope this "darker tone" does turn out to be just that.

mephman2651d ago

True, Lightning isn't the best example. However, Kainé is a fantastic example.

zatrox2651d ago

What's funny is that Cavia did something with NieR SE failed at with FFXIII, a great story with great characters.

Nate-Dog2651d ago

I haven't played FFIV (is that the one with Kainé...?) but have heard a fair bit about Kainé though.

zatrox2651d ago

Naw, Kainé's from Nier.

Game-ur2650d ago

Why don’t people talk about FF6? I'm I too old? A shame it doesn't get rereleased, it had the best set of characters in FF games, and their wasn't a main character, everyone had a spotlight.

Aleusia2649d ago

We heard you the first time. You said FF peaked at 6. You like 6 alot, we get it. Nobody cares.

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TotalPS3Fanboy2651d ago

Lighting and Hope. Worst character development ever. Square Enix needs to understand that whining for 40 hours straight isn't character development.

darthdevidem012651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

This "whining"....what is it?

I've seen more whining about things from people like you than any whining from characters itself.

I'd be whiny if my mother died and I got turned into a time bomb who had to destroy his own world. Oh I'd whine A LOT.

The characters need to be realistic.....if they didn't whine, that would be very unrealistic. And Hope stopped whining in Chapter 7.....15 hours into the game.

Lightning never whined, just got angry.

Its so simple to disregard characters by saying, "oh they whinedz, they suckz"....offer constructive criticism.

Tell me what is Character Development then.....

And if you think FF13 character is the "worst" I don't think you have played very many games.

Eamon2651d ago

darth, it is the worst in the series.

I don't think you've played many FF games. FIXED.

The level of angst in some characters in FF13 is beyond astronomical. Not to mention, we have to put up with it constantly during the first 13 hours.

The only decent character in FF13 was Sazh.

Homicide2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

Exactly Darth!

****FFXIII SPOILER***

Hope's mom died, and Hope thought Snow was the cause of it. Throughout the game, Hope wasn't really whiny - I mean not whiny as in Tidus whiny. He was angry at himself and Snow, and he had a good reason for it. He didn't have the courage to confront Snow about his mom's death, so he hated himself for being able to tell Snow about it. Finally, he had the opportunity to confront Snow about his mom's death when Snow was in a similar situation. Also, he matured and gain confidence when he spent time with Lightning.

That my friend's, is a good character with great character development. He went from a scared, lonely kid to a strong, brave, independent child. Much better than emo Cloud and Squall's character development.

***END SPOILERS***

Lightning was angry at herself for not believing Sera, and that was the only scene where it shows she was angry. She was not whiny.

TotalPS3Fanboy2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

How can you guys say Squall and Cloud are emos? Those guys are some of the most badass mofos in video game history.

Hope, on the other hand, is such an emo, whining until Chapter 7. Squall and Cloud are nothing like Hope. Cloud is an arrogant guy who lies and brags. Squall, he just doesn't say much. But they're both still pretty badass.

Seriously, when you really look back at FF13, half the time, they're just walking around whining.

Sazh was actually the only character with great character development in FF13.

SE chose to developed Hope in an annoying way. It could have been done better. Less whinning.

oldjadedgamer2651d ago

You expect Hope to act like Squall/Cloud? A little unrealistic considering he is between 10 - 13 years old. Not a soldier. It's reaching, but any of us would whine a shit load more than Hope.

Eamon2651d ago

Actually Cloud's 'real' personality is that of an emo. Look at him in Crisis Core and Advent Children.

But for the majority of FF7, when he's under the "fake personality", he's pretty cool.

Homicide2650d ago

Cloud was acting as someone else, or Zack I should say, for the entire game. In actuality, he was this inexperienced, low-ranked soldier.

As for Squall, he was a whiny loner throughout his entire life. In FFVIII's plot twist, we found out Squall was a loner in the orphanage and cried a lot because of it. Now grown up, he's still a loner and rarely talks or interacts with others.

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gamingisnotacrime2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

is it worth buying? amazon has it for $20
At that price, it might be tough to ignore

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Already Have it!!
VC is such a pretty game

kratos1232651d ago

Listen to this guy vc is just too great to pass on after playing ff 13 fore 20 hours I went back to vc and started to play it fore a second time ff 13 isn't any fun just too boring fore my Damn and ff was my moat beloved rpg ever hopefully vc can take that spot now

SprSynJn2650d ago

For $20 it is a great deal. I wouldn't advise it for the full price though. And if I can offer some advice if you do plan on getting it, do not think of it as a Final Fantasy game. If you do, it might ruin the experience.

R4202472651d ago

lol no world to discover, no personalized characters names or jobs, its not very immersive as a real world FF13 is just a grindfest action game with nice graphics and cute girls, a poor rpg by most standards.

CountDracula2651d ago (Edited 2651d ago )

Well yeah after repeating the same mechanics for the last countless games, you would expect them to eventually change things up a bit.

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