NowGamer: Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has discussed why he believes Call of Duty: Black Ops will outsell Halo Reach, as well as sales of the game and the future of the franchise...
"Because it will be multi-platform, I think Black Ops will outsell Halo Reach," the guys says. Wow, what an easy job! Any person with some sense could have come up with that statement.
yes any person
lol at ppl defending gt5p as a demo (which they had to buy) while at the same time complain about the price tag of odst back then i kinda remember back when odst was releasing, ppl defending odst's price usually brought gt5p into the arguement with "you are complaining about an "expansion" but prolly bought gt5p "the demo" anyways" and ppl contesting to that saying "gt5p wasnt a demo" to justify buying it...now taht gt5 is coming out, those same defenders are saying its a demo? so how will they justify buying it
@anonymous GT5p was £20
What angered gamers was promoting ODST as a full game, GT5P was always a sample. Concerning sales even MOH can outsell reach, it's on 360 PS3 and PC, it's very possible for it to sell 4m on each platform.
and for myself...odst the game was technically $30 CDN cause it came with the 3 halo 3 multiplayer map packs that i didnt buy (originally 800msp = $10 each) so no, i dont believe for everyone (maybe some that bought all the map packs) odst price was bad
MrAnonymous Yeah, GT5p cost half of a normal game. And it offered the first look into GT on PS3. With actually quite a lot of cars, an own TV channel (featuring Top Gear among others) and quite a lot more. GT5p was good value for the money. GT5 will be insane value for its money (even signature edition), and unlike ODST it covered up a huge wait between two games in the main series (didn't come out one year before the real game). Besides, GT has always had Prologues to cover up the wait between games. How do you else think we GT fans manage to survive the five years between GT4 and GT5? But even though ODST is one of the shortest games ever, I'd still say it's worth it for the awesome online. Especially for firefight.
well done, you deserve a promotion for that one @MrAnonymous GT5p was half the price of a full game...and I don't care what ODST was TO YOU. THE RETAIL PRICE was that of a full game. why were they brought up anyway? I'm confused, but clearly you are far more confused since you didn't even know GT5p WAS LESS than a full game and COST LESS than a full game *claps* well done, you and patcher both deserve a medal *edit* now I know what you are replying to...wow you're more special than I thought can't even reply straight *pats back of head* its ok lil' guy, next time just ignore PS3 fanboys bickering with 360 fanboys, use the ignore button =3
Halo: Reach = Xbox 360 Cod:Black Ops = PC, Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii. No wonder why the hell is going to sell more. Pachter still fails even when he is right he is just right about the obvious.
i dont think itll outsell it. yea of course cause its multiplat. but only on 360 halo will defenetly outsell cod7
I think Pachter is saying that because Microsoft said Halo Reach would sell more than Black Ops. Gran Turismo 5 & Black Ops will both sell more than Reach. I dont see Reach selling more than Halo 3. Spin offs never do better than numbered games. If it was Halo 4 & it had Master Chief it would probably sell better than Halo 3. Plus, there is alot more Halo fatigue than Halo 3 had.
Because Microsoft is talking about Black Ops on 360. Will Reach outsell the 360 version of Black Ops? Very Possible. Reach a spin off? It must be a pretty good spin off to have more pre-orders than what most PS3 exclusives actually sell. GT5 sell more than Reach? Ha don't make me laugh. Did I dooo that?
lol @ GT5 selling more than Halo reach. A racing game selling more than Halo Really? And no dont shoot me the Sales numbers for all the GT games that have been sold since The first game back in 96. TIMES DONE CHANGED buddy. Everybody knows that. lol @ Even ODST sold more than that GT5prologue game that came out yearsss ago. CMON SON! Oh and Im in no way KNOCKING GT games I like em. Just keeping it 100. @ Lou-cipher Dude you know just Aswell as EVERYBODY that GT5 prologue wasnt Promoted and SOLD as a DEMO . Only us NERDS on the internet knew it was A Demo in a way. And WTF @ SELLING DEMOES in the 1st place. Where they do that at?
Im not saying Reach is a bad game, but there is no doubt about it, It is a Spin off. No matter how many pre-orders it gets, it is still a spin off of the Halo Universe, just like MGS Rising is a Spin Off of Metal Gear Solid. Reach will demolish GT5 in America, but Reach wont have a chance in Europe or Asia, much less the rest of the world. Gran Turismo 5 = 12-15 Million Worldwide Lifetime Sales Halo Reach = 8-10 Million Worldwide Lifetime Sales Laugh all you want to, but Reach doesn't have a shot at beating GT5's Worlwide Sales. @Natsu X FairyTail Did you really just compare a Demo to ODST? Really?
"GT5 sell more than Reach? Ha don't make me laugh." laughter is a source of happiness. @ NATSU,LOU, AND STEVE none of you have really said anything that solidifies reach outselling GT or vice-versa. why dont you children do your whining once both of the games have been out for a good amount of time. instead of arguing with (on the surface) blind fanboys.
@Lou-Cipher - Halo Universe does not = Master Chief. It's not a spin off. This isn't the glory PS2 games, racing games are not as popular as they use to be. Shooters have dominated this generation and for you to say otherwise just proves you're in denial. Halo Reach will outsell GT5 worldwide. You're going to be disappointed this November if you think otherwise. EDIT: GT5P was not a demo. Demos are not sold. GT5P was on store shelves and sold for $40. Don't try to spin shit little boy. Did I dooo that? @young juice - No its not. I can laugh at stupidity, and I'm doing it right now.
Because GT3 sold 15 million the first month it released. God, you people are dumb.
gt5 p was also sold on the psn which sony doesn't provide sales statistics for.
You all have no damn idea what a spin off is. Reach IS NOT a spin off. A spin off in the correct context would be if a game was made solely about an Elite or minor character in the Halo universe. Reach is an event that takes place in the continuing series of the halo game.
idiot. their is a difference between a prequel and a spin off.
Reach will definitely sell more than Halo 3. It already has more preorders than Modern Warfare 2, which in turn had more preorders than Halo 3. It is also the last Halo game from Bungie and is set to be the best in the series. Gran Turismo 5's preorders are actually laughable in comparison. Fable III is outpacing it, and as much as I hate to say it, Kinect Adventures! is actually closing in on it in American preorders. In fact, with the way things are looking, GT5 would be lucky to sell half as much as Reach in its opening month. But to think it will outsell it is insane.
Gran Turismo 5 will not sell more than Halo: Reach. Reasons why I believe so: 1.) Demographic aimed for GT5 is much smaller than Halo: Reach. The Demographic is aimed towards teens through older gamers. Within this demographic, these people will most likely enjoy cars. Halo: Reach is a bit larger than that since it entails kids a tad bit younger from ages of 8 through older gamers. 2.) Probably the biggest reason why Halo: Reach will sell more than GT5 is because like many people said before me, this current gaming generation is more inclined on playing shooters rather than playing driving simulations. Shooters are more casual, and are easier to get into. Driving games often take much more time, especially with the GT series. Figuring out how you want to tune the car for each specific car and race takes a lot of time. Coming from a person who has 2 Ps3s, and 1 Xbox360, I am more inclined to Ps3s, but for this specific topic, I will side with the Xbox360. Oh also, I have both games pre-ordered. Onto the original topic at hand, this is a no brainer. Of course Black ops will outsell Halo: Reach. Since it multiplatform on 4 systems I believe, PC, Xbox360, Ps3, and the Wii, it has a wider audience, and doesn't restrict to console basis. The REAL question that should be asked is if Halo: Reach will outsell Black Ops on Xbox 360?
Just when I thought you were leaving fanboyism, well I'm proud you lasted a week even though you had a relapse.
I think he is replying, to this: http://n4g.com/news/602687/...
Look I am mainly a ps3 person but if anybody who thinks that gt5 gonna outsell reach is gonna be disappointed this gen fps games rules and its the most popular gener this gen I know gt will sell a lot but I highly doubt that it will outsell any poplar fps game this gen
This is the most pointless article ever. He states that the only reason Black Ops will outsell Halo is because it's multiplatform. Everyone knows that. The real question is will black ops outsell Halo Reach on JUST the 360. Patcher thinks Reach will sell more on just the 360 (he stated this on the lastbonus round). So this article is completely pointless.
That's pretty obvious seeing that black ops is multiplatform, hmm maybe I should be an analyst if it's this easy
yeah thats sounds good
hmm that doesn't sound 2 bad areeb
sorry aviator189 i accidentally hit disagree when i went to click reply. i bubbled you up for it. as for Pachter: HE IS A FREAKING GENIUS!!! /S
I think Black Ops will outsell Reach both on the 360 AND on as a multiplat title. Didn't MW2 sell like 12 million on 360? That's 2 million above Halo 3.
Patcher....i want your job I mean getting paid for speaking nonsense and the obvious= best job ever
The real question is will reach outsell the 360 version of COD or not. Will the treayarch COD sell more than the IW one????
Black Ops will have a big drop in sales compared to MW2, but Reach will also have far less sales then Halo 3, but will certainly have more sales then ODST
Black Ops will do it cause it multi-plat.reach will do a million on day one.i must say that halo fans show lots of love for this game and they do it the form of sales to show love to the developers.
Reach will not outsell Black ops because Black ops is multi plat.... No one can disagree with that unless they have a warped sense of reality.....On the 360 reach will probably sell more but Black Ops is multi plat and its COD.....There is little point of patcher saying this is quite obvious
Which will prove idiots rule the world. if it does it won't be because of COD is a better all around game. Bahhhh Bahhhhh every idiot pre-teen, teen and young adult eats up COD as "Omgggggzzz the greatest game ever!!!" fuck my life.
People have different opinions thought that I hate cod but I won't say that everybody who buys it is an idiot
and 7year old say the same thing about halo so what is your point?
hmm...wonder if I can get paid to state the obvious.
Wow you must be on crack if you think GT5 will sell between 12-15 million. GT5 will probably sell about 9 million, and Halo Reach will porbably sell 7.5 million By the way MW2 sold more on the 360 then even Halo 3 did. 360 sales #1. MW2- 11.52 million #2. Halo 3- 11.14 million http://www.vgchartz.com/wor...
Halo Reach has more pre-orders than MW2 did and look how much MW2 sold. If you think Halo Reach will sell anything less than 10 million, you're a fool. GT5 will be lucky to hit 10 million in this generation of shooter gaming. Did I dooo that?
nobody knows the future of gaming sales. And please stop that *h!t "DID I DO THAT" is getting ridicules.
What you people don't understand is that the majority of Gran Turismo fans are car enthusiasts and not gamers. http://www.vgchartz.com/wor... Every Gran Turismo game has sold at least 10m. Prologue is basically a demo with only 30 cars and 6 tracks and it still sold 4m one year before the PS3 slim came out... Now with 40m PS3's around the world, 1,000 cars, 20 tracks with 70 variations, 3 different modes that consist of Nascar, Super GT and WRC plus new online modes and real-time collision damage, Do You Really think GT5 is not gonna sell more than Prologue? Man, the kids these days...
Enough with this GT5P was "basically" a demo. The damn game is sold at Walmart, Target, Gamestop, Best Buy, etc. Its a retail game, its not a demo. Demo's are not sold, look how stupid this looks "GT5P demo SOLD 5 million copies". Yes GT has sold 10million+ not including the Prologues, but this generation is all about shooters. Look at every big shooter from last gen, did it sell as many as most racing games did? No. Racing games are less popular this gen because this gen of gaming is bigger than last gen and more people buy shooters. GT5 will sell more than GT5P no doubt, but to think it will easily pass 10 million is just wishful thinking. It might, but I highly doubt it, and for you to say Reach will be outsold by a racing game in a generation of mostly shooter based games is just ignorant.
on paper who knows ? because unfortunately faking sales numbers is something we have become used to since microsoft entered the gaming market.
I don't know if micro even pays those 200000 players who play halo 3 every day
maybe in the long tem duh halo reach is only on the 360
ODST only sold 5.60 million. Halo Reach will certainly do more then that, but it certainly will not do 10 million. I think Reach does 7.5 million, and GT5 does 9 million.
Halo 3 did 11 M so I won't surprised If reach did the same thing
One thing that's probably under-rated is that this is Bungie's LAST halo game (at least for a good long while). Even if someone didn't really like halo they'd probably buy it just to be able to play their last hurrah on the series. This is the culmination of almost 2 decades of development on one of the most successful franchises in the world. The beta alone had over 1 million players day one. there's also not a huge amount of competition. Not really a good thing, but it'll definitely increase the sales a lot. ODST:Reach/Halo 3::GT5P:GT5
It's totally unrelated GT5 wasn't even mentioned in the article
Black Ops is on 5 platforms (PS3, Xbox 360, PC, Wii, DS), better advertised, better reputation, very addictive and has more copies sold. Those are the five things that make COD more "successful" than Halo.
The validity of your comment goes out the window when you talk like this. 1 - The advertising for Reach is ridiculous, MS can't be matched in that department. 2 - Halo or Bungie? Bungie's reputation is one of the best in the industry. 3 - Halo 3 is still being played as we speak, double/triple that and you've got Reach. Think before you speak next time, thanks.
The advertising for Reach is ridiculous, MS can't be matched in that department The only add I have seen is that lame ass gamestop one, which alone could cause ppl to cancel because of how bad it is. Halo 3 is still being played because there is nothing else to play on that system. Actually I take that back u got 2 choices, halo or gears.
Nice stealth trolling, do you practice often? Anyways, let's see: I'm not talkin only tv, you've got the Pepsi partnership, internet ads, etc. Halo 3 is played because Halo is popular, well-made, fun, etc. I'm not gonna list all the games that are worth playing, since id be lowering myself to your level. Thanks.
I'm a PS3 person but this festive season I would prefer to buy Move rather than GT5. It's actually quite a shocking game, very poor handling, unnecessary realism (in a way) and I think the Japs are still finishing FFXIII. This will sell 2million MAX by Christmas excluding Asia because they are quite unpredictable. 12-15 mil? Not a chance, 9mil? Nope, 5mil? Maybe after a year or two, 3mil? Possible, 2mil? Definietly, 1mil? SHOCKING! But most PS3 exclusives only sell a mil.
stop pretending to own a Ps3...you're being so obvious.....
Someone started gaming this generation.
gee wiz its not like its multiplatform
Wow this is pretty sad. Who cares what game sells more.
im buying Black Ops NOT Halo SO there u so Black Ops 1 Halo 0 Who wanna join?
I wish I could make a living from stating the obvious. It will outsell Reach because it's multi-platform. For that reason, and that reason only.
sum ppl dont seems too understand that.
Everybody has that call of duty running in their veins, halo sales will drop tremendously after first week. Half the peoples who buy halo reach will convert to BO and stay on that
Does this include Halo: Reach: ODST?
lol of course black ops will outsell halo reach if they are talking about multi- platform, wii, x360, ps3, ds etc... if it was ONLY x360 then...it will be probably be really close imo..
This is how is will end up when the dust is settled...lifetime sales: GT5 > COD:Black Ops > Halo Reach
More like Black,Reach,GT5. Reach Will outsell GT5 i will bet money on that.