"After years of being maligned as a casual platform, will the Wii get some recognition as a hardcore system?"
hmmm i like this artivle alot rasing lots of good questions
This was an excellent read. Personally, I'm a huge Wii fan, and that's in no way because of the busload of BS shovelware that's constantly released. I enjoy the Wii for games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, the recently released Metroid: Other M, and MadWorld. Games like that are designed for both longtime Nintendo fans and hardcore gamers. In terms of WiiWare, a lot of solid indie games are given a platform to be showcased on. Cave Story and Furry Legends are among my favorite downloads for the Wii. And while the Virtual Console has been somewhat lacking lately (by lacking I of course mean almost entirely absent), there are dozens of great old-school titles worth downloading.
keep it simple man, Seriously, with games like Mario Galaxy 2 and The other M do you really need to explain yourself further? Forget what these douche bag wanna be gamer journalist think. They wouldn't know a good game if it slap them in their face and called them mama. Just enjoy the games,, thats what they are there for. No need to set up a defense perimeter and go on why the Wii is great. Personally, i think the Wii is better than the 360 cause at least the Wii has exclusives that I want, and the virtual console is great too. If I need HD i just go with the ps3.
you are totally right The nintendo (Wii exlusives) Games are what makes the Wii better than xbox 360 and ps3. they are the best games - ps3 and 360 wish to have them look..... ps3 and 360 are great hardware (like 120 GB free space, DVD player, blue ray player, HD graphic,....) Wii has only motion controls And Nintendo Games, like SSBB, Mario, Zelda Samus Wario.......) PS3, 360 = Great hardware Wii= Most Fun
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To me, the Wii is not a hardcore gamer console, although it has some hardcore gamer games like Super Smash Bros Brawl. I cannot identify Mario Galaxy 2 or Other M to be hardcore games despite MG2 being extremely good.
Hardcore to mean means games that have depth and high production values. I'd say Mario, Zelda and Metroid along with some others are what would be games that would require time and skill to beat. Nintendo hasn't really been about hardcore gaming since the SNES days. It is clear that Nintendo's focus is more for the kids and party gamers with some games for their long time fans. If hardcore type gaming experiences are your preferred type of games, look elsewhere.
depending of the definition, some say that hardcore has to be 1080p 7.1 dolby digital true surround , advance shadowing, multiplayer, sandbox/fps with blood gore sex bad language, brand new 3d effect, motion(i though this one was for kids or just a fad!),trophy/achievement, patch/dlc/title update other say it has no meaning or lost his meaning
I still have not found a clear answer to what 'hardcore' means. Is a game hardcore based on it's : genre, color pallet, protagonist, quality, depth, or rating? There are plenty of quality games on the Wii. The whole shovelware excuse is pointless in that trolls are complaining about games that they wouldn't touch if they owned the dam console. on a side note, thats the first time i've seen that screen for LOZ:SS, it looks pretty awesome!
The problem with the wii is not that theres no good games, its that for each good games theres like 10 very bad games
from my comment above "The whole shovelware excuse is pointless in that trolls are complaining about games that they wouldn't touch if they owned the dam console. " If they are bad games, then dont play them. I get annoyed when I see shovelware in the flyer game getting advertised instead of a quality title- but just forget about it and play the good ones.
I don't really believe it's a hardcore system but it does have it challenges. Depending on the game of course. But never the less the Wii is a great system with great games. So whether it's hardcore or not I don't care as long as it has great games to play on it.
I've enjoyed the Wii for over 2 years now. Wii sports is alright, but I mainly enjoy Super mario galaxy 1&2, Twlight Princess, and Resident Evil 4 are among my favorites. The virtual arcade imo is better then xbla arcade and psn games combine.
The Wii is as hardcore as the Gamecube was, as hardcore as the N64 was.
Sorry but Wii chose the light side. Wii will always have its money but it will never have dedicated fans like the HD consoles do.
It's mostly only the younger folk that don't acknowledge the Wii as a dedicated fan. If you're an older gamer who has been playing since the arcade and NES days, you're pretty dedicated. Zelda, and Metroid fans are perhaps the most dedicated gaming fans out there. I own all 3 consoles, however, because I'm a huge Metroid/Zelda/retro game fan, I am most dedicated to the Wii. I can't get those franchises, nor any of the original Mario games on any other console.
I never really got in to the wii i played a couple times but didn't really care for it.
That's too bad. Different strokes for different folks though, right? Can't be helped.
No, and it will never reach hardcore. It doesnt even support HD. So what kind of hardcore console does not support hd?
Since its 3D and all, and heck by your logic the 3DS would make the 360 not hardcore, because it doesn't support 3D which is the new graphical leap. see how stupid that sounds? do you? No???? Damn you slow
Its not just hd dumby. Most of the games are not good, online is crap, too many hackers, graphics are last gen, heck the whole console is outdated.
really? I'm dumb for forseeing the future and picking the lead console? Dumb because i have the best of both worlds. The dummies are the idiots who keep buying RRODbox360.
For hardcore Mario fans it is, now if you talk about hardcore as "M" rated games, no it isn't. The Wii wasn't ever build to be hardcore as much as it was build for everyone, meaning it was build people that don't normally play games can. Their may not be alot of Wii games I like, but the ones I do are made by Nintendo them self.
Wii has a phenomenal line up of games, but suffers on hardware, app features, online, awards, visuals, replay, mature titles that sell. Most hardcore wii games are under 6-8 hours at 100%.
Nintendo 1st party titles are the only reason I own a Wii. Good reason, too. The Wii basically stinks otherwise. But it doesn't matter, because Nintendo games are on it. And RE4: Wii edition. It'd be hard for me to part with my Wii, despite the fact that I own so much more PS3 software, just because I know I'd want it again, when the next Mario/Zelda/etc. game came out. As long as Nintendo keeps making Mario games, the Wii will be worth having, for anyone who loves Nintendo... and who doesn't?
Even with new add ons, the Wii is anything but fun to me. No amount of good games will change that fact. It doesn't feel natural at all. Isn't motion control supposed to increase the level of immersion. I shouldn't be playing and thinking well this is definitely the Wii. Even with a controller or keyboard the game world is able to draw me in to the point where I think in terms of what I'm doing in game and not what buttons I'm pressing. With the Wii there is always some irrational movement I need to make to play with that damn Wiimote.
Do me a favour Wii owners. Go and play Bayonetta without dying in any level, finish Demon Souls, play GOW3 on Titan and get 10 million points in Burn Zombies Burn. Then come back and tell me if the Wii is still hardcore. No offense but Zelda, Metroid and SMG maybe a challenge on your system but to a hardcore gamer they really aren't that challenging. I know you will swamp me with disagrees and name calling but it's the truth. They are good games but just not that big of a challenge to play.
Thats a good example. Probably better than mine. :)
There is a difference between challenging and cheap btw. Go and play MHTri for me too.
@tunaks1 dodging answering the question i see. Sorry but cod4 infinite spawning enemies and codwaw infinite grenade spam on veteran are cheap all the other games he mentioned are not. Tiamat you asking wii owners used to mario or zelda's difficulty if any to, play some of the hardest ps3/360 games. Sorry but with the very infrequent exception, you should have known better. Your thinking deadly accurate or powerful enemies that kill you in 1 hit or 2 hits, not a mindless enemy drone fire blanks or once in a blue moon an enemy will attack you difficulty. Lol demons souls by itself, made plenty of people quit the game because it was too hard for them. Whatever definition wii owners want to describe hardcore games as, playing brutal, strenuous or hard as hell games is apparently not it. I encourage any wii owners with a ps3, that want a break from hard coded easy mode nintendo games/wii games, pick up demons souls it will break you. :) As for the 3 disagrees tiamat got for stating mario, zelda, and metriod aren't challenging. Please mario and zelda, go back to nes and play zelda 2 and super mario bros 3, prime was a bit challenging on hard. "There is a difference between challenging and cheap btw." So you like your games as challenging as a hanna montana/random disney movie game i take it. I would laugh my ass off, watching some of you play demons souls or ninja gaiden, even shinobi or nightshade from last gen or any other non casual difficulty game.
Seriously are we really going to do this? Any one can turn the difficultly up on a bad game but few games are good enough for you to want to master that high difficulty. The vc is full of these games. Mario 5 is no cake walk and Mario kart is so evil the hardcore cried when it came out, it's unfair lol. It's the only game online where you have to lap every one to keep your first place lol. I don't know but I'm thinking no more heros 1or 2 or demon blade will have you guys throwing controllers on easy. He'll even resort breaks your balls in some events. I guess the difference is you get better at gaming rather then hint book your way thur a game.
sorry mate but ur wrong, and in more than one point.
That's just unreasonable, dude. How does not dying once make one any more hardcore? I play Mass Effect 2 on the insane setting, and I die often, but that doesn't make me any less hardcore. Also, Zelda is not an action game. Metroid: Other M however, is. So, I challenge /you/ to then play Other M on hard mode without dying once. See what I did there? It's stupid to say who's hardcore, and who's not through stupid challenges like that. Whatever happened to just enjoying games? I'm a trophy/achievement whore yes. But I don't try to compare my trophy count/gamer score with anyone else, and rub it in their face. That's just childish. For the record, I also own and play Bayonetta, which is an awesome game. Those guys can't make a bad game. Okami, Madworld, Bayonetta. I'm really looking forward to their latest game, Vanquish.
Because nintendo games are well known for having almost no difficulty period post snes. I hated bayonetta with a passion. Thats your opinion, it's a debate about the definition hardcore, my definition of hardcore, might be totally different than yours. I like occasional challenges, i only said alot of wii owner are accustomed to very easy mode gameplay. Nothing happened to just enjoying games, they are still there. I didn't claim if you don't have demons souls platinumed or a minimum of 10k gamerscore your a casual noob did i, nor did i even state my trophy lvl. I don't really rub it in peoples faces either, so drop the moral lecture bs already. But if you never play a game beyond easy mode or try a game that could be challenging your a boring casual gamer. And enjoy your easy mode no difficulty games, that would put me to sleep.
@madjed Let me start off with, I'm not some stupid Nintendo fanboy. I do own all three of the current generation consoles. And I have about 40 games average for xbox and Wii, and another 15 PS3 games. That's not even including PS2/Gamecube/Xbox/Snes/Nes/DS/ PSP/GBA/GBC/N64/PS1 games. What I mean to say, is, what basis do you have to believe that I play easy games? None. My gaming tastes range across the board. I think Nintendo games still rank among some of the most difficult. HOWEVER, bosses in Nintendo games of late, are just laughable. I haven't died over and over again on a boss since the SNES days. Well.... some of the Metroid Prime bosses provided difficulty. I won't argue that the bosses are stupid easy these days. But, I would contest that the games are still difficult. Dying 10 or more times on a stupid jump in Mario Galaxy 2, and spending hours trying to figure out dungeons in Zelda games make these games difficult in their own ways. Anyway, dude, madjed, I did state that I play Mass Effect 2 on it's hardest setting, and in fact I play all games on the hardest settings. Furthermore, you really gotta' not take things so personal. Anyway, I just really like the over the top style of Bayonetta. It's downright ridiculous!
@ madjedi u obviously never played fzero gx havent ye? heres a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Just try to play that in highest difficulty settings. I know wut it means to be hardcore so i leave this to say: Game recognize game and as a hardcore gamer madjedi, u are lookin very unfamiliar.
then u play any 8-bit game, Contra rebirth, Sin and Punishment star successor, Lit, and Monster Hunter Tri without dying
" Do me a favour Wii owners. Go and play Bayonetta without dying in any level," Climax mode Biatch Yes wii is still hardcore. Now you go play other M without dying and then come back and tell me what 1+1 is.
For the record guys. Hardcore/core games are games like Gears Of War, God Of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, Mass Effect, Fallout 3, and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Casual games are games like Wii sports, Wii Fit, Sports Champions, Little Big Planet, kinectimals.
I wouldn't call LittleBigPlanet casual. Have you seen what you can do in create mode? Some guy made a freakin' calculator just by using some of the simple tools in LBP. The rest of your list though, I agree.
What about Modnation Racers? :)
The same. Create mode in that is pretty extensive, not as impressive as LBP but still pretty significant.
It kinda depends on the difficulty setting for some, i would label most of those as core games, and fallout 3/oblivion hc only for as much as you can do in the game.
people think hardcore games need blood and gore to be good
Wii da best. :)
Whoever thinks the Wii is just a casual system, hasn't been keeping up with it. The console has plenty of hardcore games, therefor it should be considered a hardcore console.
any good suggestions? besides the main ones like Zelda and Metroid?
No More Heroes Trauma Team Sin and Punishment: Star Successor Rune Factory Frontier Muramasa: Demon Blade Tatsunoko VS Capcom House of the Dead: Overkill I can vouch that all of these games are, in my opinion, good games.
Here's some that weren't already mentioned... I loved "Fragile Dreams", reviewers say that there are combat issues. Apparently they never thought of just NOT keeping the pointer in the screen during combat. :P After that... Silent Hill: Shattered Memories Tenchu: Shadow Assasins Red Steel 2....don't need to play Red Steel 1 at all. Just don't. Monster Hunter 3 Zack and Wiki Resident Evil 4(worth playing again) Okami Love these. Also, don't forget about backwards compatibility... some great gamecube games are... Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem F Zero GX Beyond Good and Evil(Should also be available on Xbox Live arcade now or very soon. I'd get the 360 version if you have one) 007 James Bond: Everything or Nothing Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes
Fragile Dreams is such an underrated game! By the way... kind of weird seeing another McCloud without Fox attached to it. :P
I hate this term "hardcore" when it comes to gaming, because it really does not describe anything very specific. It is such a general term, and rather meaningless. Besides, there is nothing "hardcore" about chillin' at home, playing a video game. Lazycore might me a better description.
Wii owners shouldn't take it personally. Your system not being hardcore isn't an insult. I played Okami and despite it's average challenge I enjoyed it. I loved Okami. And I played Twilight Princess all the way through. But in TP I barely died unless I did something really stupid. Like I said Wii games are great and all but nothing compared to the hardcore challenges I have played in other games. Just because Demon Souls tore me to shreads and TP didn't doesn't make it less of a game Nothing personal to Wii owners. @ djfullshred I believe that when people refer to hardcore they mean the level of challenges and difficulty of gameplay presented through out the experience
Wii does have some great games for the hardcore audience. Problem is games like Mad World do not sell on the Wii. Additionally, Wii suffers from poor online gaming and is viewed as an inferior product to the hardcore due to the lack of power.
Honestly I own every console and I have to say that the Wii is the best console this gen. The most truly unforgettable experiences this gen are on the Wii.
Why does the Wii need to be hardcore in the first place?
these people think a hard core game is COD because every one is playing but its mostly 12 year old fags who think they are cool(i hate COD so much) a system does not nead online i would rather play with my friend next to me because its more fun, i use online if i want to play with some one else (i hardly use it) the Wii has the best games this gen then the PS3 and the 360 is a complete fail
The 360 and the PS3 has had more Game of The Year titles than the Wii has had. Not to mention the 360 and the PS3 continues to have the big name 3rd party games that still lacks on the wii. So explain to me how the wii has the best games this gen and the 360 and ps3 has completely failed??
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